Sammsy, you might be oversimplifying some of these positions.
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yes tehy do two different things.
navigator is in charge of knowing where the boat is, and where they need to go.
helmsmen is in charge of directing the boat, turning, the sails and so on.
guess who does both? Nami
What she doesn't do, any of the physical stuff such as raise/lower sails, turn wheel. she is our helmsmen and our navigator.
Which requires no skill at all right? That's why Zoro and Sanji crash all the time, because it's so easy?
she is the one always telling the crewmates what to do on the ship in regards to sails and turning where adn when and so on. a real navigator as you guys want to get technical will just tell the captain or helmsen where they are on the map and where they need to go such as south/east/west/north. they won't give orders
The only reason Nami gives those orders is because Luffy is too dumb to do it himself. A helmsman would not do that.
or steer the boat at all, the helmsen and captain do that.
Nami doesn't steer the boat, as we've both already said.
ok so blackbeard pirates do have both.
and i belive nami is both.
But she isn't.
so lets stop arguing. since you guys want Jimbei to be a helmsmen, Nami being a helmsmen conflicts with that so you will not give her that title.
No. I don't think Jinbei will receive that title. Since he's not even a helmsman, he's a guy who was at one point in front of a steering wheel.
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Problem is… Nobody asked about a shipwright before Water 7... You don't know what will happen in the future but we know helmsman is a common job in OP.... See BB's crew
Blackbeard's ship didn't even have a helm! It was rowed!
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/236/07/
(I know Burgess is a helmsman, but… still... the ship didn't even have a helm!)And the need for a carpenter/shipwright was stated a long time before Water 7:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/225/18/From Stephen's scripts, from waaaay back in chapter 225:
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! Usopp: Plank.
! Chopper: Here.
! Usopp: Nail.
! Chopper: Here.
! Usopp: Pla-OW-nk!
! Chopper: Here.
! (Note: The joke is that "plank" and "ow" are the same word (ita), so Chopper heard "ita" and got another plank.)
! Usopp: …sheesh, I tell 'em again and again,
I'm not some goddamn shipbuilder!!
! Chopper: But you're such a handyman.
! Usopp: AIN'T I?!!
See, that's what's so awesome about me.
! Sanji: Why can't we buy another one?
! Usopp: You fool! Do you have any idea how it was we got this boat…?
! Sanji: Yeah yeah, you told me a million times. From some pretty girl in your town, right?
But sailing like THIS much longer is gonna be dangerous.
! Usopp: That's why we're fixing it.
And you help too!!
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! Sanji: You call this fixing? It's fallin' apart.This was also brought up in Skypiea a few times.
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It's true. It isn't important. The final two could have no position at all. However, the only position missing from the crew that has been mentioned in the story is helmsman. It's only natural for people to keep an eye out. Given Jesus is the only one mentioned, and is noted for his brute strength, a Fishman fits that role perfectly for having both high natural strength and natural navigational skills (per Arlong). Add that to the fact that, for one reason or another, Oda saw fit to draw Jinbei steering the Marine battleship for dozens of panels between ID and MF, and you have people drawing conclusions. It's one of those things that, were Oda to have him join, we would be able to look back and see Oda's subtle hints or developments that make the transition smoother. Rather than it coming out of nowhere, I mean. I thought it was pretty interesting myself, given Oda rarely shows people actually steering a ship in OP. At least, I haven't noticed it much (outside Chopper).
Fair enough, this argument is actually pretty good.
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have you guys paid attention to who has tooken over the wheel since they got the thousand sunny any time there has been anything not just calm open sea?
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have you guys paid attention to who has tooken over the wheel since they got the thousand sunny any time there has been anything not just calm open sea?
I actually haven't paid attention. I only remember Usopp steering the ship before the Flying Fish Riders' fight.
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I'm pretty sure it's been Franky (most of the time) but Oda hasn't really showed a lot of clear shots of the steering wheel on the Sunny. There hasn't been focus on it.
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I actually haven't paid attention. I only remember Usopp steering the ship before the Flying Fish Riders' fight.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I'm pretty sure it's been Franky (most of the time).
Chopper (human form) with the Merry, and Franky/Usopp have both been involved with the Sunny, but that was mainly Franky explaining or showcasing features of the Sunny rather than actively piloting the ship. Going back to necessity though, while I totally agree the series could do without it, I am reminded of the ice dodging from Avatar, where Sokka's rite of passage is to steer a ship through… ughhh, dangerous water. He had Katara's help with navigation, but his steering skill is what allowed them to avoid damage and safe passage. Again, I know it isn't necessary, but if we consider all the damage Merry received because they crashed it and didn't treat it properly, having someone on board who can prevent damage full-time isn't a bad suggestion. For example, whenever they have a sea battle Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, etc, etc, all actively defend the ship, but a helmsman could reduce the necessity of that. I'm suggesting this as an added element to battles on the sea, where someone is controlling the ship rather than Franky/Usopp/Chopper/Nami scrambling around trying to combine their efforts. Not necessary, but would work well as change from the norm, especially given Thousand Sunny's
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Chopper (human form) with the Merry, and Franky/Usopp have both been involved with the Sunny, but that was mainly Franky explaining or showcasing features of the Sunny rather than actively piloting the ship. Going back to necessity though, while I totally agree the series could do without it, I am reminded of the ice dodging from Avatar, where Sokka's rite of passage is to steer a ship through… ughhh, dangerous water. He had Katara's help with navigation, but his steering skill is what allowed them to avoid damage and safe passage. Again, I know it isn't necessary, but if we consider all the damage Merry received because they crashed it and didn't treat it properly, having someone on board who can prevent damage full-time isn't a bad suggestion. For example, whenever they have a sea battle Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, etc, etc, all actively defend the ship, but a helmsman could reduce the necessity of that. I'm suggesting this as an added element to battles on the sea, where someone is controlling the ship rather than Franky/Usopp/Chopper/Nami scrambling around trying to combine their efforts. Not necessary, but would work well as change from the norm, especially given Thousand Sunny's
transformerfeatures.If there were a battle at sea and Jinbei had joined the crew don't you think he would be about 1000 times more useful in the water fighting and supporting the rest of the crew than sitting behind the wheel trying to keep Sunny's damage to a minimum?
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If there were a battle at sea and Jinbei had joined the crew don't you think he would be about 1000 times more useful in the water fighting and supporting the rest of the crew than sitting behind the wheel trying to keep Sunny's damage to a minimum?
That'd go for any fishmen really, unless they're a DF user.
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If there were a battle at sea and Jinbei had joined the crew don't you think he would be about 1000 times more useful in the water fighting and supporting the rest of the crew than sitting behind the wheel trying to keep Sunny's damage to a minimum?
I wasn't talking about Jinbei in that post, but the position of helmsman in general. Also, that last bit about defending the ship was just an example, as was the ice dodging; both were merely scenarios to help someone better understand what I was referring to. As far as Jinbei is concerned, that depends, are they on the defensive or offensive? Generally the crew is trying to escape when these things occur, so having Jinbei fighting in the water is sort of counter-productive, no? Keep in mind cola is a limited resource on the ship.
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The SHs, to me, do not need a helmsman. We have seen Franky, Sanji, and Chopper do it so I doubt that they will have a particular need for someone with that one skill any time this story. In the One Piece universe it seems that all you need to be a helmsman is strength and a basic knowledge of direction….
I am sensing that the new crewmate will be a fishman found on Fishman Island and Luffy will just have one of his whimsical need for one even though it will serve no purpose, like he wanted a musician and found Brook...
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After thinking it over I can't help but imagine a helmsman being a bit awkward on the Sunny. ''Hey, I know you designed and built this ship yourself, and know its workings and handlings inside and out Franky, but I, a character who up until now has never seen nor steered this ship can magically handle it better then you can.''
I dunno, just seems off to me.
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I dunno, just seems off to me.
I can agree with your post for the most part, but feel the need to point out the Clima Tact. Would you say Usopp could wield the Clima Tact better than Nami? He built it, after all, and should know its workings and handlings inside and out. Is a blacksmith a blade master? Is a gunsmith a marksman? That sort of thing.
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I can agree with your post for the most part, but feel the need to point out the Clima Tact. Would you say Usopp could wield the Clima Tact better than Nami? He built it, after all, and should know its workings and handlings inside and out. Is a blacksmith a blade master? Is a gunsmith a marksman? That sort of thing.
Usopp made the Clima Tact for Nami because he knew she understands the Weather much better than he does and can use it to its max potential
Franky with the Sunny is different because he built the ship but is also the expert in that area..
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Would you say Usopp could wield the Clima Tact better than Nami? He built it, after all, and should know its workings and handlings inside and out.
Well, in Usopp's defense (or should that be prosecution?) the Clima Tact was, by his admission, mostly a party toy, and Nami had to come up with the more powerful functions on her own.
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I see what Brennen is saying. Franky may have built the ship and knows its secrets, but a really good helmsman could maneuver it the best. It's not just the ship, but knowledge of the waves and strength to keep the helm steady.
However, the fact that after so some important events at sea (escaping from Hina, riding the upwards current, dodging the Buster Call), they never mentioned needing a helmsman. I could see it happening in the future, but I can't judge the future, so the best I can do is speculate on it, right?
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the helmsman must be than someone who combines parts of franky and nami..
i also dont think he
s necessary but i also have to say that i think that Brook is not rly necessary.
kay, luffy always wanted a musician..ooooooooooooookay
than he got a bit the talent to fight with his sword..oooooooooookay
the only reason to have him is actually cause he`s funny in my eyes.
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If there ever was a time that the need for a helmsman came up, it would have already. The crew has dodged rough currents like the Sergent ones before the Red Line and they have escaped the grip of the Marines through Coup de Burst so I don't see the need for someone with that skill set to come up because they have already been through situations that requires some skill at the wheel and have managed just fine..
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Just because you build cars, doesn't mean you can drive em well.
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Just because you build cars, doesn't mean you can drive em well.
Um actually I think it probably means you can drive them well since you know how they work down to each bolt. I get what your saying though.
Honestly since Usopp is brilliant enough to make a weapon to control and create weather he really needs to update his own arsenal. Stop giving all the good stuff to Nami Usopp! Your Kabuto is unimpressive!
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A professional helmsman maintains a steady course, properly executes all rudder orders, and communicates to the [Navigator] utilizing navigational terms relating to ship's heading and steering. A helmsman relies upon visual references, a magnetic and gyrocompass, and a rudder angle indicator to steer a steady course. Clear and exact communication between the helmsman and [Navigator] is essential to safe navigation and ship handling.
The navigator's primary responsibility is to be aware of ship or aircraft position at all times. Responsibilities include planning the journey, advising the Captain of estimated timing to destinations while en route, and ensuring hazards are avoided. The navigator is in charge of maintaining the aircraft or ship's nautical charts, nautical publications, and navigational equipment, and generally has responsibility for meteorological equipment and communications.
I love how you added in your own words changes to the definition on wikipedia for helmsmen. let me repost it for you unaltered.
A professional helmsman maintains a steady course, properly executes all rudder orders, and communicates to the officer on the bridge utilizing navigational terms relating to ship's heading and steering. A helmsman relies upon visual references, a magnetic and gyrocompass, and a rudder angle indicator to steer a steady course. The mate or other officer on the bridge directs the helmsman aboard merchant or navy ships. Clear and exact communication between the helmsman and officer on the bridge is essential to safe navigation and ship handling.
so nice of you to conveniently replace the OFFICER word with NAVIGATOR to fit your needs eh.
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Hmm…so, it changed the meaning because he replaced OFFICER with NAVIGATOR, even though we're talking about PIRATE ships and not NAVY/MERCHANT ships?
How thoughtful of you to disregard the idea/notion that he was attributing the helmsman role to the context of pirates, and not leave it in its original context (Navy/Merchant). Since there is no bridge to speak of, and no OBVIOUS officer in a pirate crew, I don't find it unreasonable for him to use the replacement he did. Either way you look at it, a helmsman:
"…maintains a steady course, properly executes all rudder orders, and communicates to the [[/B]PERSON THAT CONVERSES WITH HELMSMAN IN TERMS OF NAVIGATION]** utilizing navigational terms relating to ship's heading and steering. A helmsman relies upon visual references, a magnetic and gyrocompass, and a rudder angle indicator to steer a steady course. The [[/B]PERSON THAT CONVERSES WITH HELMSMAN IN TERMS OF NAVIGATION]** directs the helmsman aboard [WHATEVER SHIP IS BEING MANNED/HELMED]. Clear and exact communication between the helmsman and the [PERSON THAT CONVERSES WITH HELMSMAN IN TERMS OF NAVIGATION] is essential to safe navigation and ship handling."
Did you see what I did there? What brennen posted, and what you apparently "corrected" conveyed the exact same situation.
What a waste of space your condescending post made. And as a result, mine.****
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and you think navigator fills in role of officer?
officers on a pirate ship would be captain, vice-captain or quartermaster.
navigator is not an officer, but regardless if your going to post a definition you can't change the words.
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This thread returns to the Helmsman topics now?
Someone, gladly send me a message when there's real debate again…
Definition of REAL Debate for the needy:
-Topics about Perona.
-Topics about Sabo only after he appears in the present time.
-No topics on Hancock, Margueritte, and other crappy Amazon Lily fodder, save Nyon.
-Topics on Nyon.
-Topics on Jinbei when Fishman Island is finally shown and there aren't any better fishman.
-No topics at all about Papaggu, Caimie, Rayleigh, Shakky, and Hatchi...
-Topics about Crocodile, Galdino, Bentham, and other straw characters when they actually reappear.
-Heck, that ought to be it.Skip the boring topics about a Helmsman which is bound to happen, just that we don't know which person is taking that job, or anything like that.
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and you think navigator fills in role of officer?
officers on a pirate ship would be captain, vice-captain or quartermaster.
navigator is not an officer, but regardless if your going to post a definition you can't change the words.
Actually, yes, I do believe navigator fills in the role of officer. In fact, it is the main responsibilities of the Second Mate on a given ship, along with traffic management, and emergencies.
One could argue that Nami fits this role, being that a) she's already known as being the navigator and b) she has fulfilled roles/tasks required of a Second Mate (who would normally be in charge of Navigation to begin with).
So, even if she wasn't listed as being a quartermaster, there's no fault in the "replacements" brennen has made. Even then, he put Navigator in brackets; signifying (to me) that he was replacing a term with another comparable/relevant term.
And I was gonna mention the idea of Nami being the Second Mate of the Strawhats (with Zoro being first mate), furthering my stance, but I feel that's another debate entirely and was not needed…
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so how do you feel about Sabo being alive. I distinctly remember you whining that he'll uhh die
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so how do you feel about Sabo being alive. I distinctly remember you whining that he'll uhh die
He will die… I don't see any problem unless something happened and I missed it.
Last time I read OP, the chapter was still taking place in the flashback but Dragon appeared at the end. Sabo's fate ought to stick to being death.
LMAO @ hinscher....
Worst argument I've ever seen; "officer is not a navigator..."
What a dummy!!?!?
Earth TO Hinscher, most NAVIGATORS were either your FIRST MATE, QUARTERMASTERS, CAPTAINS, SECOND MATE-- any OFFICER position.
Everybody should know this, they were stupid savages that picked a person who could move them around as an officer, not a guy that can speak gibberish as well as you can...
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who were you supporting for crewmate after thriller bark but before Zoro's cover story. I've asked four times. Don't post anything ever again without responding to this.
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who were you supporting for crewmate after thriller bark but before Zoro's cover story.
No one of value… In fact, I had practically an idea that there won't be any of the people joining that were shown. Fishman Island was the place that ought to get a guy coming-- delayed though.
During ID, I thought that Bentham would be able to join since I figured he'd escape from Impel Down-- he didn't, and therefore, he couldn't join.
Other than Bentham, Perona and Galdino have been the two that I've figured are more able to join. No one from AL, never thought any of those chumps would join... However, I seem to border around the fancy idea that Nyon has a shot now.
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No one of value… In fact, I had practically an idea that there won't be any of the people joining that were shown.
this is how the entire thread feels about Perona.
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It's fact that in one piece the helsman as job exist. You can say the SHs don't need that or have one. but they didn't need a shipwright till Water 7 as well.
So you don't know what will happen. All other jobs like lookout, quartermaster were never officially introduced in OP
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I love how you added in your own words changes to the definition on wikipedia for helmsmen.
People already fought the good fight for me, it seems, but I might as well say my piece. First off, I quoted WIKIPEDIA. My source of information was a website that is freely edited by other people, so what does it matter that I gave it proper context for the subject we were discussing? As if they definitions are absolute. Not that it matters, since you missed the whole point of my alterations.
So nice of you to conveniently replace the OFFICER word with NAVIGATOR to fit your needs eh.
You think navigator fills in role of officer? Officers on a pirate ship would be captain, vice-captain or quartermaster. Navigator is not an officer, but regardless if your going to post a definition you can't change the words.
lol. To further quote the same damn page you "correct" me with, "Aboard ships in the Merchant Marine and Merchant Navy, the Second Mate is generally the (senior) Navigator." And from the Quartermaster wiki, "He performs these duties under the control of the ship's navigator or other officer if there was no officer navigator. In the modern navy, a quartermaster is a petty officer who specializes in navigation."
The best part about all of this is that I was in no way trying to 'fit my needs', and made a tiny alteration to give context to a completely separate point. The point in question being that 'navigator' and 'helmsman' are two separate positions in both the real world and the world of One Piece. That a navigator, in the context of One Piece, is the 'officer' a Helmsman would work with had very little to do with my post at all.
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Why are people even arguing about this.
Jobs don't matter in the slightest(unless the strawhats have identified a need for something specific).
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Why are people even arguing about this. Jobs don't matter in the slightest.
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It's true. It isn't important. The final two could have no position at all. However, the only position missing from the crew that has been mentioned in the story is helmsman. It's only natural for people to keep an eye out. Given Jesus is the only one mentioned, and is noted for his brute strength, a Fishman fits that role perfectly for having both high natural strength and natural navigational skills (per Arlong). [Which is why 'Fishman Helmsman' has been brought up numerous times]. Add that to the fact that, for one reason or another, Oda saw fit to draw Jinbei steering the Marine battleship for dozens of panels between ID and MF, and you have people drawing conclusions. It's one of those things that, were Oda to have him join, we would be able to look back and see Oda's subtle hints or developments that make the transition smoother. Rather than it coming out of nowhere, I mean. I thought it was pretty interesting myself, given Oda rarely shows people actually steering a ship in OP. At least, I haven't noticed it much (outside Chopper).
[/hide]^^ I think this is what started the most recent off-shoot of discussion. Brook's musician position was a running gag, never a needed position, but the point still stands that positions as a whole are pretty moot.
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Every crew members past and backstory have relation to their "job" on the ship. So Hancock and Jinbei's dream would have to have some relation to a job on the Sunny.
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i see many of your arguments are by putting a navigator as being primarily ALSO the first mate, quartermaster, ect.
hmm so they just typically also happened to be an officer. navigator is not an officer, it is just a job like a doctor or cook on a boat. Chopper coudl become vice-captain, does that make doctors officers then? no
so how come you guys are clearly saying things can be two in your arguments but won't allow me to have Nami be both navigator and helmsmen?
kishido, yes they did need a shipwright as soon as they got the ship. I could argue they don't need one now, but know what will happen? their ship will break sooner or later and they will need to fix or buy a new one. oh wait that already happened before. they always needed a shipwright, jus tlike always needing a doctor.
@herakles what do you mean with Sabo being alive, the flashback isn't over
Why are people even arguing about this.
Jobs don't matter in the slightest(unless the strawhats have identified a need for something specific).
people are trying t ofind a way to prove that there is a spot left and thus give their favorite a upper hand in joining because they held the steering wheel once, or they sent out ghosts scouting or whatever else you want to say.
And being how helmsemen was said to exist on blackbeards crew, then they think we need one, and i'm just arguing that nami is our helmsmen. but of course that makes it so that they can't argue helmsmen so they don't like that.
@Halfmetal-lich:Every crew members past and backstory have relation to their "job" on the ship. So Hancock and Jinbei's dream would have to have some relation to a job on the Sunny.
every? how does Robin, Zoro, Usopp have anythign to do with ship. there is no position of swordsman, sniper or archeologist on pirate ships. that is just a skill they have. if usopp and zoro are so positions, then why can't jimbei join for sole reason of karate. they dont' have a karate job yet.
job arguing is a stupid argument to just give someone a baseless argument for someone to join. we have the essentials, the doctor, navigator and shipwright. we have sailed east blue and first half of grand line. there is no more essential jobs, it is a moot argument that we NEED anything else.
Oh and one more thing about Blackbeards Helmsmen. They also have a former Shichibukai, shouldn't the strawhats need one then too? If your so set on matchign up perfectly with them.
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It's fact that in one piece the helsman as job exist. You can say the SHs don't need that or have one. but they didn't need a shipwright till Water 7 as well.
So you don't know what will happen. All other jobs like lookout, quartermaster were never officially introduced in OP
Lookout exists in Impel Down, in fact, the word is used and the job was revealed as Usopp had been in charge of the helm with Robin guiding him.
Before that, Going Merry had several rotations going on– and several people acting as Lookout.
Quartermaster, unless Bellamy's crew did in fact have one, never was revealed to exist.
I believe that they'll get a Helmsman, but it'll be in the future because some troublesome issue blocks their path and they, without a helmsman, cannot pass it.
That's my take.
this is how the entire thread feels about Perona.
Well, that's alright. She's not that impressive at this stage, but I happen to believe that if things go right, Oda did everything that he did with her for the greater good– much later emphasized usage of her character.
Oh and one more thing about Blackbeards Helmsmen. They also have a former Shichibukai, shouldn't the strawhats need one then too? If your so set on matchign up perfectly with them.
What the fuck? You serious?
What a surprisingly dumb statement here… Might as well add a former policemen, a former Impel Down Guard, and a former "Crescent Moon" hunter, and a former KING, and continue this crazy incorrect trend since you seem to be confused about what "Shichibukai" is...
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Brook's musician position was a running gag, never a needed position, but the point still stands that positions as a whole are pretty moot.
Luffy, Brook and Oda take the importance of a muscian pretty serious. Sure the stuff with Luffy wanting a musician was funny but still.
@herakles what do you mean with Sabo being alive, the flashback isn't over
I've written comics from an early age and I'm a master at chess.
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What the fuck? You serious?
What a surprisingly dumb statement here… Might as well add a former policemen, a former Impel Down Guard, and a former "Crescent Moon" hunter, and a former KING, and continue this crazy incorrect trend since you seem to be confused about what "Shichibukai" is...
yes i am serious, if you gusy want to pull out shit like we need a PROFESIONAL helmsmen or a PROFESIONAL lookout, ect to all these miniscul jobs then yes i'm going to say we need a former shichibukai then too.
what the hell is a crescent moon hunter? sounds close to a pirate hunter to me, or bounty hunter i guess. jobs are dumb to argue as i said. you guys keep thinking we need PROFESIONAL ones. Do you guys ever say that Nami is a theif when saying her job? no we never think of that, but she was doign that for like 10 years. i would consider that quite skilled a professional. Where is all the other pirate crews thiefs? where is BB's theif, moria had one it seemed in perona.
arguing jobs is dumb, we have the 3 essentials. a doctor, navigator and shipwright.
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Luffy, Brook and Oda take the importance of a muscian pretty serious. Sure the stuff with Luffy wanting a musician was funny but still.
I've written comics from an early age and I'm a master at chess.
B. Roberts agrees….
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Well, that's alright.
so then what's your problem with people who don't have a canidate. I remember you calling people cowards
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yes i am serious, if you gusy want to pull out shit like we need a PROFESIONAL helmsmen or a PROFESIONAL lookout, ect to all these miniscul jobs then yes i'm going to say we need a former shichibukai then too.
Shichibukai is but a title, a stature, not a job… It's not something that counts the same as a Helmsman or Lookout.
It's the same sort of thing as a title similar to "prince" or "king" and not a "job" given and assigned to members of ships.
I have no idea what sort of logical thinking forces you to say something this wrong...
what the hell is a crescent moon hunter? sounds close to a pirate hunter to me, or bounty hunter i guess. jobs are dumb to argue as i said. you guys keep thinking we need PROFESIONAL ones. Do you guys ever say that Nami is a theif when saying her job? no we never think of that, but she was doign that for like 10 years. i would consider that quite skilled a professional. Where is all the other pirate crews thiefs? where is BB's theif, moria had one it seemed in perona.
Jobs "are" dumb to argue, probably… However, positions, roles, etc. are not. Positions are sentry points assigned for someone to handle, and specialize in-- sort of like a "chief" of that issue if you will. Jobs are jobs, tasks given to someone to accomplish...
I don't know what that "crescent moon hunter" means or is, but it is a title that is practically synonymous in meaning towards what a Shichibukai would be... Just saying.
No, I don't believe that we ever call Nami a "thief" when discussing what her position/ post is on the ship-- "job" sure, but never position or a post. Since you answered that there are rarely any "thieves" that exist, then we don't need to continue...
Word of advice: you are extremely confused at this moment, change!!:getlost:
so then what's your problem with people who don't have a canidate. I remember you calling people cowards
It makes it a rather boring argument where people pretty much don't pick a person ever.
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It makes it a rather boring argument where people pretty much don't pick a person ever.
I'd rather be bored to tears than have to put up with you and sammsys posts
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I'd rather be bored to tears than have to put up with you and sammsys posts
I don't feel my posts are the same as Sammsy's… At least, I strongly hope they aren't. :ninja:
Furthermore, I haven't posted anything lately. There hasn't been a point to do so.
Furthermore, I happen to be amused by Sammsy's posts. FUNNY!!
Note: I purposely ignored the boring reference since it obviously means this topic would cease to exist... It'd be dead.
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I'm not amused. Youre both insane.
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people are trying t ofind a way to prove that there is a spot left and thus give their favorite a upper hand in joining because they held the steering wheel once, or they sent out ghosts scouting or whatever else you want to say.
Well I think perona was actually a scout. But it's perona. Also, don't forget, quartermaster.
And being how helmsemen was said to exist on blackbeards crew, then they think we need one, and i'm just arguing that nami is our helmsmen. but of course that makes it so that they can't argue helmsmen so they don't like that.
Or it could also be the fact that she's not the helmsman. That massive error in your statement could possibly be where the problem is coming from.
No, your right, it's probably because the character I don't think will join or is even a helmsman won't fit otherwise.
every? how does Robin, Zoro, Usopp have anythign to do with ship. there is no position of swordsman, sniper or archeologist on pirate ships.
Reread. He said their JOB on the ship, not the ship itself.
that is just a skill they have. if usopp and zoro are so positions, then why can't jimbei join for sole reason of karate. they dont' have a karate job yet.
They can.
job arguing is a stupid argument to just give someone a baseless argument for someone to join. we have the essentials, the doctor, navigator and shipwright. we have sailed east blue and first half of grand line. there is no more essential jobs, it is a moot argument that we NEED anything else.
Nobody's arguing that we need anything. We're arguing that some things are possibility's.
Oh and one more thing about Blackbeards Helmsmen. They also have a former Shichibukai, shouldn't the strawhats need one then too? If your so set on matchign up perfectly with them.
This is a joke right?
And why are you neglecting to acknowledge that nobody on the ship can actually man the helm properly. As you've said, Nami doesn't do that and the people who do it suck. Luffy has said that they crash the ship regularly, which was part of the reason their ship got broken in the first place. Obviously not just anybody can do it and even with Nami's navigating skills, an untrained helmsman can be a problem.
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People still don't answered one question… None of this jobs where ever mentioned in OP. Helmsman is the only job so far who is introduced at OP.
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People say quite a lot that Blackbeard has a helmsman (Burgess). My question; when was this confirmed? Just because he stood behind the wheel in one scene doesn't make him a helmsman. Several of the members of Luffy's ship have been behind the wheel at some point, that doesn't confirm them to be strictly helmsmen. :P
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During the double-page spread introducing the Blackbeard Pirates.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/18-19/
Even though the translation is poor, it does say that Burgess is the helmsman.
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People still don't answered one question… None of this jobs where ever mentioned in OP. Helmsman is the only job so far who is introduced at OP.
Lookout: been used in the Impel Down.
People say quite a lot that Blackbeard has a helmsman (Burgess). My question; when was this confirmed? Just because he stood behind the wheel in one scene doesn't make him a helmsman. Several of the members of Luffy's ship have been behind the wheel at some point, that doesn't confirm them to be strictly helmsmen. :P
When he was introduced with the phrase coined on his introduction box.
Luffy sucks at it, and his whole crew– there ought to be a reason as to why a Helmsman exists on BB's crew, as opposed to the idea that he's just there for the navigation. Doc Q was able to do something himself, yet we have a specific need for a Helmsman.
Only Usopp has been shown to drive the Sunny around. Merry, though, had several issues as time went on.