Even if there is a cure for her love sickness, maybe she won't WANT it. She does seem a lot more happier then was before.
Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)
-
-
Now, it sucks… Well, it seems that my reply to you won't be answered anymore... Damn bothersome Hancock fans.
-
We just don't like to discuss the possibility of a character joining who has been absent from the story for 57 chapters.
Cover stories don't count..
-
Hello people. I'm back and already read 20+ page plus have to conclude that.
What i find the conclusion is. For the sake of humanity, Hancock as the ninth and Jimbei as the tenth is the best choice. Don't bother with other candidate.
-
Really? I went through twenty pages and concluded that AGOG has way too much time on his hands.
-
@Cyan:
Really? I went through twenty pages and concluded that AGOG has way too much time on his hands.
Before World War III happen i guess
HitlerAGOG will never surrender. -
this is why there are people who think One Piece is brilliant and there are people who doesn't, brilliance or not is a matter of opinion
I know it's a matter of opinion and you should tell that to the other guy since he's the one saying my imagination is terrible for not being able to recognize this "foreshadowing" as truly brilliant.
@Vaayu:I don't give a darn whether you recognize it or not. However I was hoping you had a clear reasoning behind calling it "stupid as fuck" and calling us "terrible" for believing in it - which I would've loved to know.
Too bad its another case of "I fail to understand it and I don't like it so I should crush it by insulting people" syndrome.
If you didn't care like you claim I don't see why you'd have to tell me that you see something that's not foreshadowing as truly brilliant as if I was actually missing something like the terrible or lack of imagination that you mentioned.
I asked you to explain why you thought it was truly brilliant(even if she didn't join) and you brought me hogwash. So ofcourse you suddenly wouldn't "give a darn" and claim I failed to understand it.
-
You give the impression that youre serious. This forum has seen Perona pedophiles before man. Youre pretty much just as illogical as they are
another vibe I'm getting is that you hate the newest chapters because you know they're gonna start heading off towards your IP ban soon.
Oh. Don't bunch me in with people that I don't even know… I've made a username for myself, you know...
People call me AGOG-- with fear of big posts coming their way.
Those other "pedophiles" don't have things like that, do they?
Just for the record, I have never, not once, stated that I am a pedophile anyway. It was always someone that noticed my opinion being revolved around a single character, for a reason that says "I think she has the best chance to join..." and then that person likes to insult me and dub me a "pedophile" because I believe she can even join...
Personally, comic book characters do not "turn me on" nor do they even please me... Give me a real person and then I'll probably have something to say of having any real wet dreams.
People… are very rude.
Furthermore, just to stress, I always figured that Perona has always been the best option since her "character" had so much reasonable support.
It just "fits" well, and it fits better than any other character, shown. The constant "Perona" stuff was sarcasm read wrong, courtesy of AP-- the forum of enrichment. :ninja:
We just don't like to discuss the possibility of a character joining who has been absent from the story for 57 chapters.
Cover stories don't count..
Yes, I do think that she [Perona] has more reason to join than any other character, even with the "enormous" lack of chapters, appearance, etc.
I feel, and i do, that Perona has everything that she needs to join, already.
She only needs to act upon it, and have it happen. She has a route, a motive, and even a probable plot supported reason… Oda just needs to show that it is "fact" and write it all in motion, to the point of it happening.
57 chapters are dandy. People like Robin did join without appearing in so many chapters, right? Or Nami, she left for a whole arc...
-
I wouldn't mind Perona joining since she's one of my favorite characters, believe me, I could see her joining, especially if Moria dies. However, I still don't think she'll join, but it's not because couldn't fit the crew but because Hancock and Jimbei just simply have better chances - true, they have not met other SH's but Luffy - so far I guess all crew members have seen the new members before they join, but Jimbei's I'll protect Luffy even if it costs my life -promise and Hancock's love sickness give them high motives to join and since they're heading to Amazon Lily now I believe Hancock has great changes to join after Luffy's recovered. Jimbei then again, I don't believe he'll join yet, but since the Fishman islands will probably be at chaos now that Whitebeard is dead I wouldn't be surprised if SH's would help to defend FI after they reunite and Jimbei would join after that.
I really don't care that much whether it's Boa, Jimbei, Perona, Bon-chan, Crocodile, Inazuma who joins. All I want is that SH's will have at least one more female member, a fishman/mermaid and maybe an okama (but maybe Sanji stays as okama and it's not needed shot). Like said, Jimbei and/or Hancock are most likely the one/s to join, but of course Oda can surprise us and the next strawhat can be someone totally not expected, maybe even someone we haven't met yet.
-
I wouldn't mind Perona joining since she's one of my favorite characters, believe me, I could see her joining, especially if Moria dies. However, I still don't think she'll join, but it's not because couldn't fit the crew but because Hancock and Jimbei just simply have better chances - true, they have not met other SH's but Luffy - so far I guess all crew members have seen the new members before they join, but Jimbei's I'll protect Luffy even if it costs my life -promise and Hancock's love sickness give them high motives to join and since they're heading to Amazon Lily now I believe Hancock has great changes to join after Luffy's recovered. Jimbei then again, I don't believe he'll join yet, but since the Fishman islands will probably be at chaos now that Whitebeard is dead I wouldn't be surprised if SH's would help to defend FI after they reunite and Jimbei would join after that.
Well, the thing is that the crew members didn't really join for those reasons:
- Zoro: he was looking for a swordsman, and since Luffy saved his life, he was going to walk with him and see where it goes, verbally saying he will leave when he needs to.
- Nami: to betray them later, after collecting a decent amount of money.
- Usopp: for friendship, and mostly because of the ship…
- Sanji: cause they were "real men" and Nami…
- Chopper: they were pirates, and such…
- Robin: no place to go.
- Franky: he loved them, and they had his ship.
- Brook: they were going the same direction.
It's been a pretty boring thing lately. Jinbei's reason actually would help him somewhat, although it wouldn't seem anything special. It would just be a "temporary" thing.
Hancock's doesn't match up, it's just not really similar to it; for her life. It doesn't even sound right.
In my opinion, the SH crew is consistent of people that have nothing left, so they treat each other as family because of their similarities…
If Perona's character does come in contact with them, she has already been isolated and her joining for a mere idea as "fun" would work extremely well.
It's better than Hancock's "love" or Jinbei's "protection" that he wants. Just saying, it is more personal for her and she can actually mold to have it happen, or occur.
I'm puzzled how Jinbei and Hancock can have more chance than her, really... :getlost:
I really don't care that much whether it's Boa, Jimbei, Perona, Bon-chan, Crocodile, Inazuma who joins. All I want is that SH's will have at least one more female member, a fishman/mermaid and maybe an okama [delete]but maybe Sanji stays as okama and it's not needed [/delete]. Like said, Jimbei and/or Hancock are most likely the one/s to join, but of course Oda can surprise us and the next strawhat can be someone totally not expected, maybe even someone we haven't met yet.
I still don't get how they are most likely, they do have a lot of problems that haven't been solved.
Perona's are all solved, now.
Hancock's haven't even been addressed yet. Jinbei's are being left to the future, and that's not even coming close…
It's interesting. I can't get how Perona is less likely, when all she has to do is meet the ship and Luffy, then ask.
-
^ Even I think you're being a bit biased here, AGOG, and I'm a Perona supporter myself. I agree on Jinbei, but Hancock's reason has been a bit objectively expressed, imo. Shouldn't it be "for love", which doesn't sound quite as wrong.
Perona is "less likely" at the moment, at least when compared to Hancock, but that doesn't mean she's an impossible candidate. If Moria really dies, she would be really good candidate imo, because that could mean Oda's removing obstacles.
Though, how likely Character X or Y is matters shit when either finally joins, so it's just a figure of speech.
-
Okay, I will try to enter this Perona discussion, hoping that it won't devolve again into flames and non-sense being spammed over long posts.
There's nothing wrong with wishing someone to join, Perona included. I think AGOG and by proxy other Perona fans got a bad rep around here because of their denial that her chances are rather slim right now.
AGOG's basic scenario - that Perona will come with Zoro and join the crew - is actually not impossible. It's actually a reasonable way of her joining. However, it's really unlikely because it assumes that Perona returning with Zoro - which so far may or may not happen - means she's going to join, which is a fallacy. She could have other roles in the story. She could even be a temporary companion.
All of that assumes that she comes back with Zoro. Like I said, that is a possibility, but what we do know of her - that she is a weak, spoiled and cowardly brat who wants to have her every need tended to by totally loyal and cute servants - also makes a much simpler scenario possible: she just wants to keep Zoro as a servant.
The cover story may seem like Perona and Zoro reached an agreement. After all, he has his swords and she's with him. However, it could also be a red-herring on Oda's part. Perona is not with Zoro: she's floating in her astral form (not her real body) behind him, and we do'nt know if he's even aware that she's there. For all we know, a third panel in that sequence could be called ("Catching a servant trying to escape"), with Zoro on his knees and Perona laughing with several negativa ghosts swarming Zoro. That second interpretation is actually supported by the scene of Zoro arriving at the ruins, with Perona wishing for servants. The anime scene also supports it.
Then again, nothing really prevents them from reaching an agreement. I'm just pointing out possibilities.
Uh, this post is getting longer than I wanted, so I'll try to be brief for the rest.
The real problem with Perona theory so far is that Perona has been out of the main story for quite a long time, and the parts of the story in which she appeared pointed her just as a plain spoiled villainess. There was nothing really redeeming about her, no hint of a terrible past or hard choices; no sign of a good nature or guilt for her actions; no hint of respect for others.
So, for Perona to really have a chance, she needs character development, which can only happen if she returns to the main story and we readers begin to feel sympathy towards her. So far, it's really hard to defend her case.
Things may change in the future; I have a feeling that we will start to see the other SH's soon, so she may appear with Zoro. Or not. Her fans should be prepared for both possibilities.
Edit: I foolishly hope that this won't turn into the usual Perona discussion. Should I receive obnoxious, overly long or repetitive fan crap for this, I will just abandom discussion and change subject back to Hancock/Jinbei. I urge others to do the same, should this devolve into unbearable rants.
-
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
If you didn't care like you claim I don't see why you'd have to tell me that you see something that's not foreshadowing as truly brilliant as if I was actually missing something like the terrible or lack of imagination that you mentioned.
I asked you to explain why you thought it was truly brilliant(even if she didn't join) and you brought me hogwash. So ofcourse you suddenly wouldn't "give a darn" and claim I failed to understand it.
You miss the point yet again.
Why should I give a darn whether you believe it or not? What do I get forcing my opinions on you? Nothing.
All I wanted, right from the first time I quoted you, was a reason why you think it is "stupid as fuck". That is all that matters to me and which is what you emphatically failed to give so far. Why does it matter? Because you may actually be right and I would've learnt something new.
You asked me why I think its brilliant (without giving any reasons yourself, even though I asked first) and I gave my reasons. I don't know if you actually understood it or not (which may be a failure on my part) or whether you dismiss it (which I would love to know the reasons for). But atleast I attempted to reason.
This is all I ask. If you dismiss a theory as "stupid as fuck", at least give a reason for this. That way we would all learn something instead of exchanging insults. If you can't, I can't help but believe you don't actually have a reason.
-
Don't even try it, Vaayu. Arguing with AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit Zik is like headbutting a brick wall. You will get a terrible headache and nothing more. It's impossible to make him see things from a different point of view, much less convince him of something.
-
Edit: I foolishly hope that this won't turn into the usual Perona discussion. Should I receive obnoxious, overly long or repetitive fan crap for this, I will just abandom discussion and change subject back to Hancock/Jinbei. I urge others to do the same, should this devolve into unbearable rants.
If I was you, I would be bracing for massive walls of text attacks.
Completely agree with you on the points though.
-
Well, the thing is that the crew members didn't really join for those reasons:
- Zoro: he was looking for a swordsman, and since Luffy saved his life, he was going to walk with him and see where it goes, verbally saying he will leave when he needs to.
- Nami: to betray them later, after collecting a decent amount of money.
- Usopp: for friendship, and mostly because of the ship…
- Sanji: cause they were "real men" and Nami…
- Chopper: they were pirates, and such…
- Robin: no place to go.
- Franky: he loved them, and they had his ship.
- Brook: they were going the same direction.
- Hancock: wants to end the slave trade
- Jimbei: wants people to treat Fishmen & mermaid equally with people
I still don't get how they are most likely, they do have a lot of problems that haven't been solved.
Well it's true that there is still many obstacles that don't allow Boa to leave, but then again, they're easily solved: Hancock is the ruler of AL, but she has her sisters who could easily take her place as "the head" of the island.
Now then, all this she's a Shichibukai, she can't go because it would risk Amazon Lily. Who says her title isn't ripped yet from her or won't be ripped anyway? She attacked the marines during the war and smoker saw her protecting Luffy. Moria was found weak and useless enough that the higher-ups wanted to get rid of him… Moria was still quite loyal to WG - Hancock betrayed them by first helping Luffy to ID (I do believe marines will realize it sooner or later) and then helping him during the war. I believe, that either marines will attack AL later and there'll be protect the Amazon Lily arc or then with level 6 prisoners free, ID being total mess, BB with two DF powers and replacing the "gone" shichibukais with new ones is just such a big mission that they'll simply ignore AL.Jimbei then: We don't know that much about him yet - but FI arc coming I'm sure we'll learn more about Jimbei's past. The fact that Jimbei's life is still a big mystery to us is the main reason why I believe Boa will join before he does.
About Perona - I think she has chances to join - especially if Moria dies and she hears about it. True, now that TB is gone Perona doesn't have exactly a place to go, but Absalom and Hogback are still out there somewhere so there's also the possibility she'll go with them. We don't know exactly how the SH's are going to reunite - is it AL or SA? If they end up finding Luffy from AL one by one (Ivankov heading to Okama island... maybe meeting Sanji on his way there and bringing him to Luffy?). Or maybe some of them (like Sanji) will meet Luffy at AL but rest will meet them at SA? Maybe Boa joins after Luffy's recovered and then he (and maybe some other SH's if they have already joined Luffy in AL) goes to SA where Zoro and Perona (if she do follows Zoro) meets them and then Perona joins. Overall I can see Perona joining at some point, but I believe someone will join before she does. :ninja:
Oh, and BTW, if Boa joins will she take Salome with her or will she leave snake to AL? I'm just wondering because she took Salome with her to the ID and to the war... If does will the snake be counted as a nakama :blink:
-
Oh, and BTW, if Boa joins will she take Salome with her or will she leave her to AL? I'm just wondering because she took the that Snake with her to the ID and to the war… If does will the snake be counted as a nakama :blink:
I think Salome is integral to Hancock's character. She appears everywhere with Hancock, including the Shichibukai spread and the early design of her. If Hancock joins, I can see Salome being a pet of the crew (and Chopper would probably either be really scared or really friendly towards the snake). It would be funny if Salome also got a bounty of 50 Belly.
-
Don't even try it, Vaayu. Arguing with AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit Zik is like headbutting a brick wall. You will get a terrible headache and nothing more. It's impossible to make him see things from a different point of view, much less convince him of something.
For proof of this: See any argument about whether or not Akainu went crazy during the battle.
@Deicide:I think Salome is integral to Hancock's character. She appears everywhere with Hancock, including the Shichibukai spread and the early design of her. If Hancock joins, I can see Salome being a pet of the crew (and Chopper would probably either be really scared or really friendly towards the snake). It would be funny if Salome also got a bounty of 50 Belly.
I see that snake wrapped around the mast constantly if it joins.
-
I think Salome is integral to Hancock's character. She appears everywhere with Hancock, including the Shichibukai spread and the early design of her. If Hancock joins, I can see Salome being a pet of the crew (and Chopper would probably either be really scared or really friendly towards the snake). It would be funny if Salome also got a bounty of 50 Belly.
and probably also her snake weapon in one way or another
p.s since it can swim, it can also save DF user
-
I know why Perona won't join.
I like every single Strawhat, I don't like Perona.
simple as that
-
It would be even better if they gave Salome an actual bounty of a few million just to annoy chopper even more.
@Doggggggiestyle:
I know why Perona won't join.
I like every single Strawhat, I don't like Perona.
simple as that
No. Out of everything that can be used against her. This is the one thing that can't.
-
Zoro and the swordsman dude he met at that island have already cooked and eaten Perona. So there isn't much to join.
-
You miss the point yet again.
Why should I give a darn whether you believe it or not? What do I get forcing my opinions on you? Nothing.
I didn't say I didn't believe it or not. I said I don't see it as foreshadowing or truly brilliant like you do and probably never will. I didn't ask you to force your opinion on me. I asked you to explain your reasoning so I could understand why it would still be truly brilliant. I understood it and I vehemently disagree. Now if you don't care about that then instead of explaining it when I asked you should've just said "I don't care if you understand or agree with me" and I would've just kept it moving.
This is all I ask. If you dismiss a theory as "stupid as fuck", at least give a reason for this. That way we would all learn something instead of exchanging insults. If you can't, I can't help but believe you don't actually have a reason.
I'm pretty sure I gave my reasons several times. It isn't foreshadowing, it's a coincidence. Not to mention I don't feel the dress Nami is wearing is like the one Hancock wears. I think Uncle Kenny had also summed up my view on this theory. It's a non existent claim to add along why she should join when there's actually better ones than that. I did originally say it's THE worst reason for why she'd join.
@Deicide:It's impossible to make him see things from a different point of view, much less convince him of something.
No it's not. I've seen things from your view and understand it. I simply disagree and think you're wrong. It's a lost cause trying to make ppl think I'm incapable of seeing things from a different point of view just because I happen to disagree. It's not my fault you assumed I didn't understand what you were saying.
-
[hide]@herr_sebbe:
^ Even I think you're being a bit biased here, AGOG, and I'm a Perona supporter myself. I agree on Jinbei, but Hancock's reason has been a bit objectively expressed, imo. Shouldn't it be "for love", which doesn't sound quite as wrong.
This is something you have to understand from a literal point of view. The writer expressed he will not do such a thing, openly… Which should be something he values, if his own words are shit, then why the fuck is he speaking.
If he says, "I will not do love on screen and I will not do themes from those genres..." then the fans that read those things should understand that this guy is being serious here, he will not do it. If he goes and magically does it, then he is a piece of shit that can't even keep his word.
What do we trust? A writer's own word, or a fandom's craze?
In that case, if Hancock does indeed join for "love" in any way, not only will the writer transcend [in a bad way] his own comments about what he is following, he will fail at not only his job but at keeping his fans informed, he will fuck with the fans. Call it stupid, if you will, but when Oda adds someone for such a reason, then it means the guy has been high off of chronic.
For this very reason, he cannot add her because of love. He would abuse so much and do so much harm that it would make him look like a pile of shit.
He, himself, had said, seriously, that he won't go any "girly" themes, and will make boys manga themes by having action, adventure [romance], and also comedy. He says, and I will say this as a fact, "expect NO romance being shown and NO girly manga content, like "love" being shown."
When he doesn't do what he says, as a writer, it means that he's an idiot. Not only does he lose respect, but he loses a lot of support…
You have to think about it that way, would Oda be that big of an idiot to do it illogically?
Perona is "less likely" at the moment, at least when compared to Hancock, but that doesn't mean she's an impossible candidate. If Moria really dies, she would be really good candidate imo, because that could mean Oda's removing obstacles.
Ok. I don't want to have you following me… You are a bandwagon fan, right?
Once again, the fact that you don't know what the Hancock situation needs to have her join, is the fact that you shouldn't even comment about Perona.
It seems, to me, that as long as you have a character do something, you automatically think she'll join.
Hancock, may have upgraded to finally having a way to join, but she is still a piece of shit character that cannot join. For instance, Vivi had a way to join, but she was always a trash that couldn't make that leap no matter what; she was useless...
Provide any proof that Hancock has any future use, cause at the very moment she has nothing at all to offer, and would be a mere replica of Vivi, just more annoying.
Perona, thank god, has more purpose and can offer something which Hancock never was able to ...
Though, how likely Character X or Y is matters shit when either finally joins, so it's just a figure of speech.
It matters. A more likely character is being a more likely worked on character… A less liikely character means that they were never even thought of. It's just a coincidence they had a chance.
take the Paulie craze and so on.
Okay, I will try to enter this Perona discussion, hoping that it won't devolve again into flames and non-sense being spammed over long posts.
I don't do that…
There's nothing wrong with wishing someone to join, Perona included. I think AGOG and by proxy other Perona fans got a bad rep around here because of their denial that her chances are rather slim right now.
damn it… I'm NOT wishing, for god's sake. I gave you LOGICAL assumptions, reasons, interpretations based on WHAT is there... I'm not saying "FUCK IT, ODA make this character that has an afro and can fly join NOW!!"
That's a wish, that's one... What I'm doing is molding what is there to fit, or at least lead to such an event to happen... AKA: predicting.
The fact that most of the Perona fans on here have no balls, that's why... I have balls, and I'm going to say that she has the highest chance, until her very character is shown not having that chance...
No matter how many fucking times she gets no panel appearances or anything, as long as she is in the same spot she was shown a year ago, she's got that chance...
Denial? More like that the other fans on here can't even make a single prediction beyond a second... Did I say something wrong?
It seems only brennen can make up "feasible" future predictions that can exist, the rest of the people just sit and stare at a screen looking like this guy:
Fucking idiots.
What's there to "deny" anyway? Hancock isn't any different than before, she's not going to magically join out of the blue. Zoro isn't in SA and he isn't away... Perona's not dead ...
What AM I denying? The fact that Luffy is heading to AL, which is just a place to rest, mind you? Or the fact that nothing has changed?
Please, do tell me.
AGOG's basic scenario - that Perona will come with Zoro and join the crew - is actually not impossible. It's actually a reasonable way of her joining. However, it's really unlikely because it assumes that Perona returning with Zoro - which so far may or may not happen - means she's going to join, which is a fallacy. She could have other roles in the story. She could even be a temporary companion.
No shit. The point of the matter is that as long as you can make the claim, and I have shown a physical method, and then provide an extension upon that, you have a feasible and highly possible argument there.
I supported why she would help Zoro and move to as far as the ship. I add future support, based on her characterization and possible background to why she could be with them and become a crew member. Then, for what it is worth, I provide an example to how it works and if it happened before…
With this, not only do I explain how the process is done, based on what is shown, I make a wonderful argument that shows the manga's roots.
i don't say that Hancock joins because she loves Luffy... Or Perona joins because she loves cute things and chopper's too cute, so says Oda.
I show proof on how it would happen, just like that.
You don't have a way for Hancock to throw away all her responsibilities, and then just join... You don't have the proof yet, and rather than have it present, you assume that "fanfictional" proof is able to work. For instance: Nyon is helping Hancock or something like that... That's what is a crappy argument, no really.
All of that assumes that she comes back with Zoro. Like I said, that is a possibility, but what we do know of her - that she is a weak, spoiled and cowardly brat who wants to have her every need tended to by totally loyal and cute servants - also makes a much simpler scenario possible: she just wants to keep Zoro as a servant.
Once again, that is "your" personal observation of her character… If we were examining Robin back in the day, you'd be an idiot at that time too.
With Perona, this nonsense is one way to read her character, yet behind that stuff is another, more insecure deeper way to read her character...
She may be spoiled, she's not weak and weak minded; in fact, she's very firm and strong willed.
Sure, she likes cute stuff and other childish brat stuff, which is as similar as how Luffy likes meat and Sanji likes girls or Nami likes treasure... It's just insignificant minor crap, unimportant.However, the thing that you seem to ignore is her characterization on a deeper whole, she's not a stupid ugly brat like you take her for, she's a "seemingly" humane character.
She shows emotions, feelings, and personal experiences in her own personal ways for you to see. When, and only when, you are indifferent to her character, then you can never understand what she is actually.
You don't know the following of her, you don't:
- You don't know why she feels something is better when they are cute, nor do you know why she thinks those macabre things are cute either.
- You don't know why she joined Moria in the first place, or why she even did what she did on Thriller Bark in the first place. She said "fun" according to a certain translation, but we don't know what is "fun" to her since there is no exact proof of what is fun.
- Furthermore, you don't know why she acts like she does, with all that spoiled brat type stuff….
When you compare her to a SH crew member, like Nami:
- Nami acts all greedy and obsessed with money because of her poor upbringings where she was low on money, with that, she learned to value money.
If it wasn't for her past, then you would have never even known why she cares so much for money; it would have been that she's just a bitch that takes and had no heart, but she proves you wrong.
Perona may be freaky now, but in the future when her "past" or whatever is actually explained, she may change the personal opinion you have of her. Like how you should have changed your opinion of Hancock after you heard she were a slave.
No, I don't feel that Perona's chances are damaged at all with this lack of information, I feel that her chances are still strong.
The cover story may seem like Perona and Zoro reached an agreement. After all, he has his swords and she's with him. However, it could also be a red-herring on Oda's part. Perona is not with Zoro: she's floating in her astral form (not her real body) behind him, and we do'nt know if he's even aware that she's there. For all we know, a third panel in that sequence could be called ("Catching a servant trying to escape"), with Zoro on his knees and Perona laughing with several negativa ghosts swarming Zoro. That second interpretation is actually supported by the scene of Zoro arriving at the ruins, with Perona wishing for servants. The anime scene also supports it.
Again, it would do this:
- Oda brought Perona back without any real motive.
- Oda skipped Characterization for Zoro and allowed him to be able to handle directions.
- Oda obviously failed…
He would look like he wasted time, and only that.
Furthermore, the condition that has Perona reach her belongings is that she was told of being more than able to seek her belongings, or she wanted them. It would be "wrong" of Oda if he left her behind, and didn't address her characterization that he opened… Furthermore, it doesn't really make much sense to do this.
If Oda wants to bring Perona back and isolate her, like he has, he shouldn't have wasted so much time with it... Unless there's more to her character.
If she has so little use to the plot, then her "existence" shouldn't have even been there... We don't need Zoro to help find "servants" for a little girl, it's totally unimportant.
Oda ought to know this much and should be focusing on something "ahead" rather than waste time on some scavenger hunt.
Then again, nothing really prevents them from reaching an agreement. I'm just pointing out possibilities.
It's supposed to be an agreement since he wouldn't be physically able to withstand her attacks, or defeat her. Unless they had reached some compromise. If he were healthy, then she wouldn't stand a chance, but that's not the case…
Uh, this post is getting longer than I wanted, so I'll try to be brief for the rest.
The real problem with Perona theory so far is that Perona has been out of the main story for quite a long time, and the parts of the story in which she appeared pointed her just as a plain spoiled villainess. There was nothing really redeeming about her, no hint of a terrible past or hard choices; no sign of a good nature or guilt for her actions; no hint of respect for others.
I disagree, there were these, but very mild.
For instance, Robin was an extended character that was far far away… She didn't get appearances until way later. However, she would then have those "conditions" shown also.
Perona has them, shown... However, they aren't direct.
- She comments on two occasions that "humans" ought to move forward, and live on ~ considering this comment, it could very well be interpreted as a personal belief, and it should be… She seems to be taking a slice of her experiences and putting them into use; means she has undergone hardships. Her reactions to death, bugs, and other dark like substances show that she is aware of them, shows great fear to some even... As if they string in a past, and she personally is avoiding her past. All this needs to be shown is a spark. She's acting like a child would, completely naive to things. However, she's understanding of such a thing.
- Believe it or not, but she's very honest. Modest too. She has shown "good-natured" qualities, however, they were again commented on indirectly and portrayed in a childlike manner. Regardless, she has performed such things.
- Lastly, she has shown "respect" in her manner of speech and how she acts around others. She even talked of "respect" for the actions, or great deeds, that many have done… She's pretty good as a character, so to speak.
The reason why we have contrasting views of her character would probably be because of the translation, or our personal views/ interpretation.
I checked with another source to make sure, and read through all of Perona's parts just to see, if and only if, she is evil. In my surprise, she was shown to not be as evil as various scanlations made her out to be.
My source was consistent, from page to page… It was from the "Graphic Novel" volumes also, in Japanese... The translator seemed to have a great idea of what Oda wrote, therefore, it actually made her sound good.
In case you want to read the same thing I did, click my link and scroll all the way down to the bottom of that post. [You'll notice that her character is a lot deeper than normally said.
So, for Perona to really have a chance, she needs character development, which can only happen if she returns to the main story and we readers begin to feel sympathy towards her. So far, it's really hard to defend her case.
Again, I disagree… You just need to read the better context to get the point of it. I feel that she doesn't need character development at all; she's perfectly fit for her spot.
She just needs to have everything done.
Things may change in the future; I have a feeling that we will start to see the other SH's soon, so she may appear with Zoro. Or not. Her fans should be prepared for both possibilities.
Time skip suggests so too…
Edit: I foolishly hope that this won't turn into the usual Perona discussion. Should I receive obnoxious, overly long or repetitive fan crap for this, I will just abandom discussion and change subject back to Hancock/Jinbei. I urge others to do the same, should this devolve into unbearable rants.
This is something that makes you look like a fag, no offense…
[/hide]Find your names, you two…](You'll notice that her character is a lot deeper than normally said.
[quote]So, for Perona to really have a chance, she needs character development, which can only happen if she returns to the main story and we readers begin to feel sympathy towards her. So far, it's really hard to defend her case.[/quote]Again, I disagree... You just need to read the better context to get the point of it. I feel that she doesn't need character development at all; she's perfectly fit for her spot.
She just needs to have everything done.
[quote]Things may change in the future; I have a feeling that we will start to see the other SH's soon, so she may appear with Zoro. Or not. Her fans should be prepared for both possibilities.[/quote]Time skip suggests so too...
[quote]
[b]Edit:[/b] I foolishly hope that this won't turn into the usual Perona discussion. Should I receive obnoxious, overly long or repetitive fan crap for this, I will just abandom discussion and change subject back to Hancock/Jinbei. I urge others to do the same, should this devolve into unbearable rants.[/quote]This is something that makes you look like a fag, no offense...
[/hide]Find your names, you two...)
-
Zoro and the swordsman dude he met at that island have already cooked and eaten Perona. So there isn't much to join.
I lol'ed.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
No it's not. I've seen things from your view and understand it. I simply disagree and think you're wrong. It's a lost cause trying to make ppl think I'm incapable of seeing things from a different point of view.
Then demonstrate it when you reply to someone else. Acknowledge others' views before disagreeing with them. Don't just stand as a brick wall.
-
Then demonstrate it when you reply to someone else. Acknowledge others' views before disagreeing with them. Don't just stand as a brick wall.
Ehh, you'd be better off assuming I understood and still disagree if I say I do instead of assuming I don't understand and disagree. I don't feel the need to header my replies with I understand what you're saying/I see it from your view but… Just imagine a disclaimer that I understand all arguments.
Going around thinking ppl always disagree with you because they don't understand what you're saying(or you can't make them understand) is pretty fucked up.
-
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Ehh, you'd be better off assuming I understood and still disagree if I say I do instead of assuming I don't understand and disagree. I don't feel the need to header my replies with I understand what you're saying/I see it from your view but… Just imagine a disclaimer that I understand all arguments.
Going around thinking ppl always disagree with you because they don't understand what you're saying(or you can't make them understand) is pretty fucked up.
problem with this is, you alway "understood and disagree" i haven't seen a whole lot of agreement on your part
like the one of the saying once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a trend
-
[hide]@creeperqueen:
- Hancock: wants to end the slave trade
- Jimbei: wants people to treat Fishmen & mermaid equally with people
No, she can't pick the slave crap. It isn't that Nami wanted to be a killer of Arlong and stuff, she was always wanted to be that which she was…
To be honest, read this one for Hancock and notice how fucked up it sounds when you compare it to Sanji, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and so on.
It just doesn't fucking make any connection at all.
Well it's true that there is still many obstacles that don't allow Boa to leave, but then again, they're easily solved: Hancock is the ruler of AL, but she has her sisters who could easily take her place as "the head" of the island.
No. It's not that they can stay on the island, they have to LEAVE or something… Sure, Hancock be a douche and say you all ought to go do whatever cause I'm going with Luffy...
Would it have been fine if Nami had said: "fuck you island, I'm going to the GRAND LINE" or something? No.
Yes, Hancock can say "go screw yourselves" about an attack coming, but Luffy won't let her join if she goes and acts like a piece of shit... It's not right to leave an island, with that responsibility placed on her and how much shit she put them through, all just to die the next day.
AL will be attacked, unless Hancock remains Shichibukai. That's what the manga says; only solution to prevent this is to work out a plan where she has all the Kuja pirates escape the island, so that when Hancock leaves them, they aren't on the island to be attacked and can live without her putting them in danger.
If Oda does this sort of thing, then he should burn in hell for being a piece of shit writer.
Now then, all this she's a Shichibukai, she can't go because it would risk Amazon Lily. Who says her title isn't ripped yet from her or won't be ripped anyway? She attacked the marines during the war and smoker saw her protecting Luffy. Moria was found weak and useless enough that the higher-ups wanted to get rid of him… Moria was still quite loyal to WG - Hancock betrayed them by first helping Luffy to ID (I do believe marines will realize it sooner or later) and then helping him during the war. I believe, that either marines will attack AL later and there'll be protect the Amazon Lily arc or then with level 6 prisoners free, ID being total mess, BB with two DF powers and replacing the "gone" shichibukais with new ones is just such a big mission that they'll simply ignore AL.
Again, the fact that she isn't stripped is important… Otherwise, when she is stripped, that's when she can say the good old "fuck this!!" crap that her bitchy character would.
It's better to say that Oda won't do this, cause it's totally not something you tell kids to do; avoid responsibility to go fuck off an island and stuff... Not "right" if you know what i mean.
Jimbei then: We don't know that much about him yet - but FI arc coming I'm sure we'll learn more about Jimbei's past. The fact that Jimbei's life is still a big mystery to us is the main reason why I believe Boa will join before he does.
That doesn't even make sense… Boa Hancock's existence doesn't do anything for Jinbei, nor does she help in any way. She's her own character, and by god she would blow the manga out of proportion...
About Perona - I think she has chances to join - especially if Moria dies and she hears about it. True, now that TB is gone Perona doesn't have exactly a place to go, but Absalom and Hogback are still out there somewhere so there's also the possibility she'll go with them. We don't know exactly how the SH's are going to reunite - is it AL or SA? If they end up finding Luffy from AL one by one (Ivankov heading to Okama island… maybe meeting Sanji on his way there and bringing him to Luffy?). Or maybe some of them (like Sanji) will meet Luffy at AL but rest will meet them at SA? Maybe Boa joins after Luffy's recovered and then he (and maybe some other SH's if they have already joined Luffy in AL) goes to SA where Zoro and Perona (if she do follows Zoro) meets them and then Perona joins. Overall I can see Perona joining at some point, but I believe someone will join before she does. :ninja:
Or, we can understand that the crew will meet on SA, and since that's where not only Rayleigh is, but their ship is… Where their vivre cards point and where they are fully able to head...
Having just that allows us to understand that it is SA or bust. They have nothing more to add, besides that.
Furthermore, how the hell will the SH crew get to AL, and how would they be able to...?
It doesn't make sense.
Luffy will be taken to SA, like he asked before when AL first came about, that's all...
Oh, and BTW, if Boa joins will she take Salome with her or will she leave snake to AL? I'm just wondering because she took Salome with her to the ID and to the war… If does will the snake be counted as a nakama :blink:
Another reason why she shouldn't… No need for pets; SH golden rule, no pets allowed!!
@Doggggggiestyle:I know why Perona won't join.
I like every single Strawhat, I don't like Perona.
simple as that
Wow… the best argument ever!! touche!!
@ctarlong910:It would be even better if they gave Salome an actual bounty of a few million just to annoy chopper even more.
No. Out of everything that can be used against her. This is the one thing that can't.
No, she's not joining …
That's a shitty argument, similar to all the others I've read on this site...
@Silverblade:Zoro and the swordsman dude he met at that island have already cooked and eaten Perona. So there isn't much to join.
I hope my sweet heart tasted like heaven… Amen.
[/hide] -
That's a shitty argument, similar to all the others I've read on this site…
By "All the others" you mean all yours right?
-
@mdmartin101:
By "All the others" you mean all yours right?
No, yours… "Arguments" was supposed to mean anti-Perona ones...
-
problem with this is, you alway "understood and disagree" i haven't seen a whole lot of agreement on your part
like the one of the saying once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a trend
You've read every single one of my posts and I've disagreed with every single point,speculation,theory on the opposing side of an argument? or is it just in here?
Ignoring that for a moment you do know that just because I understand something it doesn't mean I have to agree with it right? and just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't understand?
For you, I'd say to check the posts from my Zik account and if you still
feel that waythink this just wait until the day you catch me understanding and agreeing with somebody's argument. -
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
You've read every single one of my posts and I've disagreed with every single point,speculation,theory on the opposing side of an argument? or is it just in here?
Ignoring that for a moment you do know that just because I understand something it doesn't mean I have to agree with it right? and just because I disagree doesn't mean I don't understand?
For you, I'd say to check the posts from my Zik account and if you still
feel that waythink this just wait until the day you catch me understanding and agreeing with somebody's argument.let's just say it's stuff involving Hancock, that i haven't seen you agreed on
cause obviously, you agreed that AGOG's massive wall of text is annoying as i've seen some of those rants
-
Oh, well, there goes my noble intentions. Sorry for everyone who wanted intelligent self-moderated discussion in this thread.
This is something that makes you look like a fag, no offense…
And you act like a dork, no offense…
-
I actually like Perona…
Just wanted to clear that up.
Zero sarcasm in this post.
-
I actually like Perona…
Just wanted to clear that up.
Zero sarcasm in this post.
Nothing wrong with that.
-
I actually like Perona…
Just wanted to clear that up.
Zero sarcasm in this post.
Just don't write thesis papers on why she should join while clinging to very loose evidence and you'll be fine.
-
i dont think that anyone who has been defeated by strawhat crew will be able to join them:whistling:
-
Usopp was defeated by the Strawhat crew.
(not a perona supporter, for the record)
-
let's just say it's stuff involving Hancock, that i haven't seen you agreed on
-
Usopp was defeated by the Strawhat crew.
(not a perona supporter, for the record)
when :blink:, i don't recall that at all unless you count Luffy>Usopp in Water 7
-
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
That's the greatest picture of all time. All time.
-
when :blink:, i don't recall that at all unless you count Luffy>Usopp in Water 7
That is what I'm talking about.
-
Usopp was defeated by the Strawhat crew.
(not a perona supporter, for the record)
well he was already in the crew when it happened
-
I suppose, but the point was it's kind of a weak pattern to use. Just because something has never happened before doesn't mean it can't.
-
Originally Posted by AGOG
People are IDIOTS, otherwise, I wouldn't have a problem with Tupac's Ghost.Quote:
Originally Posted by AGOG
It's FORESHADOWING… BIG DIFFERENCE.Quote:
Originally Posted by AGOG
You'd basically put like ".01%" faith that this [heading back to AL] is even to happen due to the known information concerning the ship, future course, and then some…Quote:
Originally Posted by AGOG
I put a "?" to show how Oda didn't follow his own plot device and created some loop hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by AGOG
If you don't agree, and still want to falsely assume they head to AL, then go on and dream cause facts are facts and they have no reason, no way, and NOTHING in PLOT to even support your daydream of Boa Hancock and the AL islanders… It's not going to happen. So, here's the conclusion:
FISHMAN ISLAND IS NEXT~~!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chapter 581 Spoilers
Hancock says if her Shichibukai status hasn't been revoked yet, her island should be safe, so the ship heads to Amazon Lily.Till this day (Originally posted by Brennen) this is the best thing ever.
-
Feels good, doesn't it?
-
I suppose, but the point was it's kind of a weak pattern to use. Just because something has never happened before doesn't mean it can't.
you can say somethink like this (or similar) about any other pattern or event this is weak argument
-
For me, Jimbei is the best candidate for the new nakama at this time, his flashback with ace says alot and i think it was kind of foreshadowing with the protection and all…and i think its a good dream for an Strawhat to protect Luffy with his life, that just shows how reliable he would be for Luffy later. Besides the monster trio would be much stronger then xD
I dont see why should Perona join, i think she will be with moria again, if he stays alive(what i actually think...dont forget that Moria still has a chance to flee...Through the help of Hogback and Erosalom...they dissapeared not without any reason, i think oda has planned them for a kind of rescue team for Moria...just a theorie that could be true maybe.)
Dont flame me for that, its just my opinion...
-
you can say somethink like this (or similar) about any other pattern or event this is weak argument
and actually that's a pretty strong pattern since no SH got beaten by a SH prior to joining
most pattern using to support like dream, tragic past, etc are fairly inconsistent at time because the order these thing happen are sometime before joining and sometime after joining
-
you can say somethink like this (or similar) about any other pattern or event this is weak argument
Patterns are dumb. Just because an author used something before, it doesn't mean he will constantly repeat himself. None of the crewmembers repeated a previous situaiton. At best, a character joining may have a few similarities, but each character that joins usually breaks some "patterns" envisioned by the fanbase.
Point out any pattern you want: some of the existing crewmembers probably broke it when he joined.
and actually that's a pretty strong pattern since no SH got beaten by a SH prior to joining
most pattern using to support like dream, tragic past, etc are fairly inconsistent at time because the order these thing happen are sometime before joining and sometime after joining
Well, in Usopp's case someone may point out that it happened after he joined, right?
But seriously, a "no crewmember was defeated by another crewmember before he joined" pattern is a very specific condition. I could say something like "no crewmember was revealed as liking bugs before he joined" as a pattern as well.