Rogue's will of D is the Will of Delivery. Luffys is the Will of Destiny. Roger's is the Will of Dominance. Ace's is the Will of Discovery. Blackbeard's is the Will of Deception?
Chapter 550 "Marine Headquarters" Discussion
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Just noticed Jango is in attendance on p16, awesome, maybe Fullbody is there too?
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Jango and Fullbody were confirmed there with Hina many chapters ago when everyone first started arriving at Marineford for the execution.
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Maybe Buggy can take on Moria, he is the most weak Shichibukai he is weakened right now because he lost to Luffy and to Kaidou, he has no crew anymore, no shadows, no OZ, no ship so if Buggy uses Haki in his parts he could probably do something….
I also predict that Gin is one of the Whitebeard commanders. -
Rogue's will of D is the Will of Delivery. Luffys is the Will of Destiny. Roger's is the Will of Dominance. Ace's is the Will of Discovery. Blackbeard's is the Will of Deception?
This most likely wrong but it is a fun idea. I say that Ace's is the Will of Devotion, Roger is the Will of Discovery and that Blackbeard has the Will of Destiny along with Luffy.
Holy crap, I like this game.
Luffy = Destiny
Ace = Devotion (Inherited from mother)
Rouge = Devotion
Roger = Discovery
Garp = Duty
Dragon = Dominance
Saul = Dereshi
Marshall = DestinyΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members
Captain: Zkaiser
Status: Dejected.
Threat Level: Pink
Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory
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Maybe Buggy can take on Moria, he is the most weak Shichibukai he is weakened right now because he lost to Luffy and to Kaidou, he has no crew anymore, no shadows, no OZ, no ship so if Buggy uses Haki in his parts he could probably do something….
I also predict that Gin is one of the Whitebeard commanders.Looks like he's got a few shadows with him right now. This also confirms he's not restricted by the ten minute limit.
Buggy's gonna do jack, seriously. -
This most likely wrong but it is a fun idea. I say that Ace's is the Will of Devotion, Roger is the Will of Discovery and that Blackbeard has the Will of Destiny along with Luffy.
Holy crap, I like this game.
Luffy = Destiny
Ace = Devotion (Inherited from mother)
Rouge = Devotion
Roger = Discovery
Garp = Duty
Dragon = Dominance
Saul = Dereshi
Marshall = DestinyIts like a seven deadly sins match up, but not shitty!
Also, "Herald"… its good to see you again Zephos. Its easier to tell its you when you have a Topcat icon though.
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If this manga was written in English, that D idea would be really cool.
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@robbybevard:
Also, "Herald"… its good to see you again Zephos. Its easier to tell its you when you have a Topcat icon though.
I miss this one.
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@$abZ:
Now there's less of a chance that Dragon will come.
Why do people think that the lack of a blood relation means there's no relationship? While Dragon doesn't seem to have been there for Ace that much, we don't know their relationship. Besides that, with revolutionaries like Iva and the bunch showing up,there are more reason then just Ace for Dragon to appear. Admittedly, Iva would make for great character interaction should Dragon show up.
Of course, even then there's a good chance of him either showing or not showing. But why should this twist suddenly turn that chance to zero?
Buggy's gonna do jack, seriously.
Buggy's already motivated all the prisoners into fighting at Marineford. So at the very least, he's lead 200 people to run into their deaths.
That's something, right?
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Why do people think that the lack of a blood relation means there's no relationship? While Dragon doesn't seem to have been there for Ace that much, we don't know their relationship. Besides that, with revolutionaries like Iva and the bunch showing up,there are more reason then just Ace for Dragon to appear. Admittedly, Iva would make for great character interaction should Dragon show up.
Of course, even then there's a good chance of him either showing or not showing. But why should this twist suddenly turn that chance to zero?
Buggy's already motivated all the prisoners into fighting at Marineford. So at the very least, he's lead 200 people to run into their deaths.
That's something, right?
And Dragon probably knows that Luffy will try to rescue Ace.
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Why do people think that the lack of a blood relation means there's no relationship? While Dragon doesn't seem to have been there for Ace that much, we don't know their relationship. Besides that, with revolutionaries like Iva and the bunch showing up,there are more reason then just Ace for Dragon to appear. Admittedly, Iva would make for great character interaction should Dragon show up.
That's cuz some ppl are still assuming Dragon adopted Ace. The 1/3 panel Garp flashback makes it seem like it was Garp's burden and his alone.
Yes I'm still waiting for that to be confirmed but I can understand why ppl think Dragon won't show up and doesn't give a fuck about Ace.
I mean if Ace was talking about Dragon in ID with Garp. He said he had no debt or memories of him. Although that could apply to Dragon or Roger.
And Dragon probably knows that Luffy will try to rescue Ace.
How in the hell would he know that? He's gonna make an assumption and risk being wrong?
I mean the way you paint it. Dragon shows up to protect Luffy who tries to save Ace. In this scenario he still doesn't give a fuck about Ace particularly lol.
If he wanted to save Luffy he'd have his spy make sure he was nowhere near the wa….... or wait!:ninja:
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Dragon knew about Luffy beating Crocodile…while the marines said Smoker did it.
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Well did you ever think about that Kuma maybe has something to do with Dragon? They know each other.
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If this manga was written in English, that D idea would be really cool.
Yeah i agree, it was all in fun. but still who knows? oda might have a english-japanese dictionary in hand haha.
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Dragon knew about Luffy beating Crocodile…while the marines said Smoker did it.
It isn't hard to deduce or conclude that the SHs being in Alabasta, Croc's betrayal and defeat, then the rise in bounty for Luffy and Zoro where Zoro was credited for defeating Das Bones that Luffy in fact was the one to beat Croc and not Smoker.
I mean doesn't it technically say Smoker captured Croc? Smoker was credited for discovering his plot and bringing him in.
In finding the truth in that situation I don't see how it could compare in knowing Kuma sent Luffy flying for 3 days to Amazon Lily where he fought and then befriended Hancock who then sneaked him in to ID where he led a breakout and is on his way to Marineford.
If so Dragon's revolutionary espionage communications runs deep and wide throughout the world.
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I believe Oda is going to take a break from Marine HQ to keep the current turn of events stilled hyped up. Then go back and finish up with developments at ID. I guess BB is going to get back at Megall… for almost killing him, and therefore give Okama-san the opportunity to run for it.
Oda ain't going to allow the coverage of Ace's execution and the ensuing revelations to just roll on in the next chapter. I won't be surprised if the next chapter is filled with shots front the Luffy & co's hijacked marine ship or Impel Down...or elsewhere.
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@Avant'D'garde:
I believe Oda is going to take a break from Marine HQ to keep the current turn of events stilled hyped up. Then go back and finish up with developments at ID. I guess BB is going to get back at Megall… for almost killing him, and therefore give Okama-san the opportunity to run for it.
Oda ain't going to allow the coverage of Ace's execution and the ensuing revelations to just roll on in the next chapter. I won't be surprised if the next chapter is filled with shots front the Luffy & co's hijacked marine ship or Impel Down...or elsewhere.
I wonder if the operators at ID can open up the GoJ at marine HQ too..
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Moria looks confident, hopefully he shows some new moves instead of brick batting and black boxing all the time.
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@Groene:
Moria looks confident, hopefully he shows some new moves instead of brick batting and black boxing all the time.
Agreed. I know a lot of other people were disappointed in Moria's lack of creativity with his DF and that made him less likable. It would be really awesome to see him filled with new purpose and busting skulls with some shadow skillz.
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Agreed. I know a lot of other people were disappointed in Moria's lack of creativity with his DF and that made him less likable. It would be really awesome to see him filled with new purpose and busting skulls with some shadow skillz.
Well, this battle is broad daylight. in theory that should make him a lot scarier. Cut off a shadow, his opponent dies
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Why do people think that the lack of a blood relation means there's no relationship? While Dragon doesn't seem to have been there for Ace that much, we don't know their relationship. Besides that, with revolutionaries like Iva and the bunch showing up,there are more reason then just Ace for Dragon to appear. Admittedly, Iva would make for great character interaction should Dragon show up.
Of course, even then there's a good chance of him either showing or not showing. But why should this twist suddenly turn that chance to zero?
Nah I didn't say there's zero chance. Logically, now that we know Ace isn't Dragon's son, there's less chance Dragon will appear. But I still have a feeling he'll show up… but the purpose of his showing would be more of a mystery (as he probably doesn't care as much for Ace). I can see Dragon arriving for certain reasons... maybe to be involved in the major event (he seems like one to be a part of these moments) or to help Whitebeard (less likely, but I think he'd hate for the WG to win and gain further power by taking out one of their biggest threats).
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@robbybevard:
Well, this battle is broad daylight. in theory that should make him a lot scarier. Cut off a shadow, his opponent dies
Interesting thought. If Moria seperates his own shadow, does he die?
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Maybe some Shichibukai or Admiral will be exhausted in the battle and Buggy will do the last hit, and they will say "Captain Buggy took him out with a one hit KO what a great man he is". or sth like that.
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"this character doesn't have to stay true to Luffy's principles because he's an antagonist" is going over your head?
Was Bellamy a betrayal of the theme of following ambitions?Whatever odd thing your getting your panties in a twist over, it's even being dealt with in text. Your bitching about bloodlines being emphasized meanwhile Ace has not shut up since we've seen him recently about how he doesn't care who his biological father is, Whitebeard is the real deal, in fact he was saying those things in this VERY CHAPTER. The same chapter where it was made clear that Garp has taken care of Ace as a grandson even though they weren't blood. The same chapter which just more or less revealed that Luffy and Ace aren't actually brothers making the entire point of the protagonists goal right now a complete validation of the principle you're claiming is being shat on.
You make a good point, about the conflict between the two points of view. The importance of blood-ties vs that of forged relationships. I guess Oda is doing his job right, since he is able to make the antagonist's point of view as grating as it has been over this last arc.
Were you zoning out when I was having a multi-post conversation about how I can't edit my posts? Otherwise I enjoy the high irony of the "smart" guy making an Ad Hominem exit to the debate. Brains right there, of course you probably don't even know what that is you just did.
Biggest faux intellectual since FFA.
All aside your feeble attempt at bombast is pitiful and at best amusing.
I will admit when I read the chapter last night and posted on the forum I was slightly tipsy, but rereading what you wrote now, the stuff you posted still seem like something written by a raging tween. I had to heavily edit of all your infantile cursing.
@$abZ:
I don't know whether to like this twist or not. On one hand it's the biggest twist since Dragon being Luffy's father, but what significance will it have to the story. Ace is already a very very wanted man, set to die… him being Gold Roger's son doesn't change a lot for him.
So true.
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So, does anybody else believe that if Ace wasn't a pirate and the Marines still found out who his papa was, he'd be in this situation? There's something about that first panel on page 14 that strikes me that way…
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@robbybevard:
Well, this battle is broad daylight. in theory that should make him a lot scarier. Cut off a shadow, his opponent dies
you're right about that being a scary thought, but since dying is not on the Oda's menu a lot(or really at all), I'll settle for him cutting shadows and subduing loads of people. Also, I still want to see some new moves from him, in fact, I'm looking forward to seeing all the characters in action.
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Interesting thought. If Moria seperates his own shadow, does he die?
If that's a possibility he'll always steal some one else's if he's making use of Doppleman.
I can see a lot of insta kills that way. Steal random random WB pirate/marine's shadow with Asgard and have Doppleman go around annoying ppl.
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The thing is, with doppelman, Moria COULD just sit in a nice secure room some distance a way, look through binoculars and cause massive damage, since doppelman is invincible, while being unable to be hit himself.
He won't do that of course, but tactically its the thing to do.
(Well, I suppose Odz established that what happens to the shadow must happen to the owner, but considering Moria kept switching places and never seemed to feel pain when Doppel was hit…)
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Right now Moria is the weakest of the Shichibukai. Gear 2nd can take him out in 5 minutes.
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Right now Moria is the weakest of the Shichibukai. Gear 2nd can take him out in 5 minutes.
lol .
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Right now Moria is the weakest of the Shichibukai. Gear 2nd can take him out in 5 minutes.
Do you understand how not having been punched in the face 5 minutes ago by Nightmare Luffy and fighting in broad daylight make that comparison rather silly?
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He is fighting in the broad daylight again btw, he has no shadows and he lost two battles in a row. How weaker can he become.
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He is fighting in the broad daylight again btw, he has no shadows and he lost two battles in a row. How weaker can he become.
How weaker can he become? There is a chance that he's the weakest of all Shichibukai, but he aint weak by no means. If he takes someone's shadow away in broad daylight (which we have never seen him fight in before), he can kill them instantly. I can see speed being a big weakness for him, as he aint very quick and a quick opponant would be hard to catch.
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He also has to use some scissors to cut the shadows….but I still think that he is the weakest by far. I wonder what happens with Buggy"s shadoww when he becomes pieces.
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He is fighting in the broad daylight again btw, he has no shadows and he lost two battles in a row. How weaker can he become.
Are you saying that shadows don't appear in daylight?:wassat:
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What are you saying he has no shadows? As far as his DF is explained every shadow in the area can easily be his.
Yall are talking about Moria like he'll be that important in this war. We all know he can take out WB pirate fodder single handed.
Like how Oda made things connect tho, if Moria's army wasn't taken out WB would seriously have harder time.
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@Zik:
Yall are talking about Moria like he'll be that important in this war.
Looks more like people are just talking about how they think it would be interesting if Moria reinvented himself in someway at the war. I don't think he'll be a key figure or even have an epic battle, but it would be nice to see him do something other then what he did in Thriller Bark(use different attacks, have more drive). Stuff is so random in OP, it will be a surprise who actually gets the spotlight for the battles(besides Whitebeard and Luffy).
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In my opinion. Moria's ability is pretty darn strong. However, Moria himself depends on his DF ability as well as his minions far too much. Someone who is well versed in the usage of Haki and can decently fight can probably destroy Moria (which is probably what Kaidou did to Moria).
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I still don't see how people think Moria is so weak. He seemed just as powerful as Kuma, and Croc when they were first introduced. But compared to Moria, Croc got knocked out fair and square once Luffy was able to understand the situation.
I can't wait to see how Croc fairs in this war, he knows is limits. Thats probably why he stayed in a kingdom of sand and hunted for the ancient weapons. I say he is the weakest shown so far.
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…and Moria essentially retreated into seclusion trying to build an army of minions that could do things for him. I don't want this to turn into the Shichibukai thread redux, but the point is that they all have limits and strengths, and you have to assume that even the ones that appear broken, like Kuma, do as well. I'm not making a case for who's weakest or strongest, because I think it's sort of a moot point by now. I'm starting to wonder how Oda will portray the war...as cool as it would be the see all the Shichibukai/admirals/WB crew in a huge melee of randomly matched battles, I keep thinking Oda has other plans. We'll see though, I think I'd be fine with just about anything.
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Looks more like people are just talking about how they think it would be interesting if Moria reinvented himself in someway at the war. I don't think he'll be a key figure or even have an epic battle, but it would be nice to see him do something other then what he did in Thriller Bark(use different attacks, have more drive). Stuff is so random in OP, it will be a surprise who actually gets the spotlight for the battles(besides Whitebeard and Luffy).
He already re-invented himself. He was said to be a reckless bastard before he lost to Kaidou. In the upcoming battles he'll just fight in the same way that allowed him to rival a Yonkou. He'll get a fight since we did not see everything he could do at TB. Why would Oda bring him back so soon just to show him in the background owning fodder or be being owned real fast?
Moria becoming Freeza&Cell would be pretty lame of Oda. Moria and Kuma better have epic mini-battles with Marco&Jozu to show us what those two can do. Boa's the only other Schichibukai who could possibly get a big fight. Oda will only give us small displays of Don Flammingo's&Mihawk's true power(like Teach) for now, since the SH will face them in the future.
Really? I can't see Luffy doing anything but attempting to rush through the marine mob, having a harder time as stronger and stronger marines get in his way. He can't fight smoker yet unless he gets Haki mid-battle. Not a fan of that idea.
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He already re-invented himself. He was said to be a reckless bastard before he lost to Kaidou. In the upcoming battles he'll just fight in the same way that allowed him to rival a Yonkou. He'll get a fight since we did not see everything he could do at TB. Why would Oda bring him back so soon just to show him in the background owning fodder or be being owned real fast?
Moria becoming Freeza&Cell would be pretty lame of Oda. Moria and Kuma better have epic mini-battles with Marco&Jozu to show us what those two can do. Boa's the only other Schichibukai who could possibly get a big fight. Oda will only give us small displays of Don Flammingo's&Mihawk's true power(like Teach) for now, since the SH will face them in the future.
Really? I can't see Luffy doing anything but attempting to rush through the marine mob, having a harder time as stronger and stronger marines get in his way. He can't fight smoker yet unless he gets Haki mid-battle. Not a fan of that idea.
Further in my post i mention that what i meant by reinvent is seeing him do something different then what he did in TB, he used many of the same attacks and had a very lazy attitude. We have no idea what Oda is planning for the war, so to say what Oda will and won't do is only speculation. Moria may be a backround fighter, Mihawk could be front and center, sure that may be stupid but don't rule it out. I should have worded my words better about the spotlight, what i wanted to say is that i speculate that WB and Luffy will have a lot of panel time, beyond them, i'm really not sure who will be shown a lot but i am very interested and excited none the less. Oh and yea, I'm not a fan of the mid-battle Haki idea either.
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I'm really interested to see how this war is paced. Im guessing it's going to be along the lines of what happend at the end of SA, lots of action crammed together with no breaks. I really hope we don't get match ups along the lines of say EL where we see long fights and 1 at a time. If were seeing a war I think a good mix of fights in a single chapter until we get to the important matchups is the best approach. ( In other words nothing like Kubo's idea of a war )
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i was thinking of something yesterday. how the hell did blackbeard go through the gates in the first place? that marine that was talking to sengoku said an unauthorized ship left but would the marines open the gates to an unauthorized ship? i doubt it.
btw at the end of the battle vs whitebeard, who do you think will be left last? i think at the very end a few of the shichibukai will be the last ones left and they will be battling whitebeard and his crew. the ones i can definitely see fighting whitebeard is crocodile, doflamingo and moria. although by that point i think blackbeard will enter the scene and his crew will take down any of the shichibukai still fighting whitebeard while blackbeard fights the weakened whitebeard. with the cameras recording everything, whoever takes out whitebeard will instantly become the most feared pirate in the world and gain superstar status.
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What are the chances of Ace yelling something along the lines "I'm not your brother!" and of course have Luffy answer "Who cares, I'll save your ass anyways"? I know, astronomically low, but I thought it would be cool.
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So I was thinking not only will WB and Luffy crash the part but Dragon will and as will some of the former crew mates of Gol D. Roger.
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i'm so relieved we finally got to see a pirate with a peg leg in the series. all thats left is an eye patch and a parrot
