I laugh like that when somebody is being blissfully ironic.
Why your Religion is False?
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You make me laugh like Michael Jackson.
My god man, you made my dog cry.
I mean seriously
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I mean seriously
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I heard you the first time.
Just be glad that my ugly face is actually natural. shudders at the thought of Jacko's face
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Seriously, the sooner Atheists start actually doing as they promise and ignoring religion, the better, and this doesn't apply just to One Piece
No proper atheists claim to ignore religion. They are actively against it. True agnostics ignore religion, because… the idea of it is just boring. If the topic comes up, they will say a few things they've heard here or there about the religions being discussed, but not express any opinion stronger than "it's unlikely that any religion has it right, but even if they do, whatever" and "anyone who preaches strongly for or against a religion is strange (or "an idiot"), because it's impossible to have the degree of evidence they claim to have for or against it."
Some agnostics are for or against the idea of religion itself, not because they think there is or isn't a god, but because religions are social constructs that can be construed as positive or negative contributions to society, depending on your point of view.
But atheists have the idea "there is no god." The connotation of atheism is no longer the sum of its etymology. So the preachy-types just make a point to teach everyone else that there is no god, and therefore all religions are necessarily wrong, even though it's theoretically possible that they're wrong about that.
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Can we talk about One Piece some more? I can't wait to see if Zoro notices Sanji's eyebrow in this week's chapter!
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Seriously, the sooner Atheists start actually doing as they promise and ignoring religion, the better, and this doesn't apply just to One Piece
There isn't much difference between atheists and believers Some believe science can explain everything, others believe God is behind the creation of this world. But in the end, we don't know anything about it. It is just one belief against another belief.
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There isn't much difference between atheists and believers Some believe science can explain everything, others believe God is behind the creation of this world. But in the end, we don't know anything about it. It is just one belief against another belief.
except one belief is based on nothing but a book and the other is based on observing the world around us, tests galore and updating its ideas as new information comes into light…
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Blah, blah, blah religion. You guys have been going on about this for a while now. I admit I'm a protestant, nothing more, nothing less but this doesn't have much to do with One Piece.
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except one belief is based on nothing but a book and the other is based on observing the world around us, tests galore and updating its ideas as new information comes into light…
Come on, science hasn't explained everything yet. There are lots of mysteries still unsolved. You may believe science will eventually explain everything, but in reality, you know jackshit about it. Atheist have as much faith in science as believers in God.
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Come on, science hasn't explained everything yet. There are lots of mysteries still unsolved. You may believe science will eventually explain everything, but in reality, you know jackshit about it. Atheist have as much faith in science as believers in God.
- Science has not explained everything yet. But that is not the point. The point is the difference in approach. The approach of science is to make theories and conjectures about how everything works, and to refine that theory based on observation and experimentation. Religion says, the book is right. Period. It is a subtle difference, but is significant. That is why people of science were burnt at the stake in the past and why people of religion are viewed as stubborn country bumpkins now.
- Atheists are not defined as having faith in Science (whatever that may be). Being of a scientific bent and being religious are not mutually exclusive. Atheists simply do not believe in God and are a bit anal about thrusting their views on everybody else.
- Humankind does know a little bit more than jackshit about 'everything'. Appreciate the vast store of knowledge we have and the efforts people continuously make to increase it.
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There isn't much difference between atheists and believers Some believe science can explain everything, others believe God is behind the creation of this world.
Some people believe science explains everything and that a higher being (not necessarily one described accurately by humans) might be the reason the explanations work.
Even if it's a giant beetle daydreaming about a universe.
If you only have faith in yourself that's not saying much about life as we know it.
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Greg you are a philosopher as well, a man of many talents
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When I reached the age of 18 I decided that I would no longer be a Buddhist. I freed myself from any limit in view and perceive any religion and philosophy as they are. I stopped insisting on believing God doesn't exist, and let my goal in life unaffected from such belief. God may exist or not, spirit may exist or not, reincarnation may exist or not, it no longer matters to me, and thinking such help destroy the uneasy feeling I had before when I read a book or essay that stated different from my belief. Now I have no belief, and rely on my reason to pass judgements on things.
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Oh look, a religious debate! What thread can escape its inevitability?
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That is why people of science were burnt at the stake in the past and why people of religion are viewed as stubborn country bumpkins now.
Are you saying this like "people of science," whatever that means, have been history's hated targets? Nero and Decius and Diocletian say quite the contrary. The only notable persecution against scientific figures that I'm aware is Galileo. Perhaps I'm just terribly uninformed.
Anywho, I don't have a religion; I have a relationship. And that is with Jesus Christ.That said: Spark D. Fox, your current avatar really annoys me. Those hands are veiny! :ermm:
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Are you saying this like "people of science," whatever that means, have been history's hated targets? Nero and Decius and Diocletian say quite the contrary. The only notable persecution against scientific figures that I'm aware is Galileo. Perhaps I'm just terribly uninformed.
Anywho, I don't have a religion; I have a relationship. And that is with Jesus Christ.Yes, sunshine, misinterpret what I wrote. Miss my point completely. Just to humor you, here's a list of people who were not exactly drinking buddies with the church: Copernicus, Bruno, Galileo, Descartes, Newton, Halley, Darwin, Hubble, even Bertrand Russell. Anyway, that's not my point. Just to make it clearer, that is not my point. Science and religion have been at loggerheads and that is because of the fundamental differences in approach. And hence, "belief in science" cannot be equated to belief in God. That last couple of sentences was my point.
Give Jesus my best.It's forbidden to talk about the spoilers outside of the spoiler thread. Even vague statements.
You would do well to listen to Mr. Jeff Winger here. You've been warned by a lawyer there.
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Are you saying this like "people of science," whatever that means, have been history's hated targets?
Big time.
Great thinkers and scientists were famously ostracized.
We're now literally watching the tables turn in history as it's becoming vogue to bash anyone that has faith.
The people who were subjected for so long finally have a means to explain soooo much of what was previously thought to be the direct result of a higher being that more and more people look at religion as archaic and foolish.
Just look at the condescending tone of many of those without faith in this very thread. Christianity is a dying breed.
Which….is a shame.
Fundamentalism is fucking nuts.
But, believe it or not, there are Christians that don't believe a word of the Bible (myself included ((but fuck, I don't even believe in Jesus let alone the resurrection)) ) and yet they have learned to adapt stories and morals from the Bible that make sense in modern history (ie. sending fire and brimstone down on homosexuals? Nuh-uh.) and try very hard to apply them to their lives.
"But Greg! Anyone can learn those things! It's common sense!"
Bull-fucking-shit.
Why is there bullying in school then? If you have elementary school-aged children that are yet malformed beings who are either, due to lack of moral discipline at home or at school, actively making others feel bad about themselves, refusing to share or even harming classmates, what does that show?
What I am NOT saying is that 'turning Christian makes children behave'. Some of the nastiest fucks I know ARE (or at least call themselves) Christian and I'll have you know my very first 'fight' was in Sunday School. But what the path does accomplish, is presenting a strong opportunity for personal growth and being thankful for what natural and physical gifts you've been given.
"Uh-oh! Greg said 'given'!"
No, fuck that. I don't think God or whatever it is reached down and said, "Greg, I'll let you fulfill your dream of teaching in Japan and having a smoking hot wife." But I do believe in an origin of energy be it God or otherwise and what I am thankful for is that in the billions of billions of billions of billions of years of history of the universe in the billions and billions and billions of light years that original source of energy led up to me having the skills I have. And that's what I'm thankful for.
"But that's subjective! You could be killed in a car crash! Or what if you were born a starving child on some rock?"
That's exactly why I'm thankful. I don't see it as a divine hand giving me shit, rather COUNTLESS coincidences (that some mistake for fate) resulting in who I am and where I am.
That is why I can wake up every day and have no regrets because I know everything is chance. Everything you do in life either increases or decreases your chances of 'success' ie. life.
But every time you step in a car, you're exposing yourself to risks.
Even sitting in your house, you're exposed to the effects of chance, weather or geological phenomena.
So that's why when I pray once or twice a year, I don't thank 'God for having directly given me gifts.", rather I'm grateful for the chain of events from the energy source that led me to where I am and lessons about how to carry myself in life from Christianity have helped those events.
When it comes to Zoro's beliefs, I understand where Oda's coming from in a 'shonen' comic and I agree with him. But as for someone seriously believing they are the way they are solely because of themselves? It all comes back to 'God' (if you want to call it that, I do merely by means of covention, not by definition) but I think it betrays your family and your ancestors that worked so hard in life for tens of thousands of years (and the mammals, dinosaurs, fish and single-celled organisms before them) to survive that resulted in you.
"Oh shit! A Darwinian scientist that also believes religion can be positive when not twisted by humans!"
Run motherfuckers.
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Great post Greg and by the way
Greg, I'll let you fulfill your dream of teaching in Japan and having a smoking hot wife.
I am sure I heard God say that
seriously I love your analogy of the tide reversing against those of faith, my son is an avowed Atheist and through him I have come into contact with the propanants of Modern Atheism and more and more I think these guys are just as bad if not worse than those they criticize
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Interesting @ the scientific persecution. I love history, yet I somehow missed that they've been targets at all. Although I do have a vivid remembrance of early "Christians" being hypocritical scum–at least in the textbook histories. I don't think one can call themselves Christian and then walk the opposite direction they condemn others for not walking.
I also don't think one can call themselves a Christian, and then say that they don't believe in Jesus Christ, since, y'know, being _Chirst_ian simply means to be a follower of Christ (that's in response to what you said here:)
But, believe it or not, there are Christians that don't believe a word of the Bible (myself included ((but fuck, I don't even believe in Jesus let alone the resurrection)) )
The people who were subjected for so long finally have a means to explain soooo much of what was previously thought to be the direct result of a higher being that more and more people look at religion as archaic and foolish.
I'll disagree here. There is truth in science itself, but when you look at the religion of science, all you see are conjectures and theories–not facts about anything. The theory of how existence came into being alone has so many different theories, it's ridiculous: The Big Bang (honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard), the "
" theory, and all of that other nonsense. God and His infinite being just make sense in that regard.Christianity is a dying breed.
But that is untrue. It is simply that Christians are letting themselves be stepped all over because they're too weak to stand for their faith. Many Muslims in the middle east, in fact, are converting to Christianity only on the basis of them having dreams involving Christ. I find that amazing.
(ie. sending fire and brimstone down on homosexuals? Nuh-uh.)
You might find
interesting, if you're willing to watch. I'm sure if you're not up for 16:00 minutes, you could find a shorter YouTube clip.Why is there bullying in school then? If you have elementary school-aged children that are yet malformed beings who are either, due to lack of moral discipline at home or at school, actively making others feel bad about themselves, refusing to share or even harming classmates, what does that show?
Christians are still human, still vulnerable to sin. Christian children are merely raised in faith, but they have to make their own conscious decision to make Christ the Master of their life and live according to that relationship.
What I am NOT saying is that 'turning Christian makes children behave'.
What are you saying then? >.>
I'll just leave my previous comment up.coincidences (that some mistake for fate) resulting in who I am and where I am.
Providence is a better word. ^_^
Now, I'm not trying to be offensive in what I've said–I'm just responding as gently as I can to what you've said. I'm definitely interested in going back and forth, but just as long as we can keep a sense of maturity about it, which I'm sure you're capable of.
Edit: On second thought, we should do this via PM, if you're interested at all. God bless. ^_^
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Providence is a better word.
Definitely coincidence.
I don't believe whatever God is plays any direct modern role in our lives.
It's absurd.
We're simply a neuron bag that reacts as our experiences have taught us on whim.
There is no divine 'reason' why a family is killed in a car crash or peace is achieved after a war.
But every action is the result of something far greater than us that set those things in motion.
In short, humans ain't where shit's at.
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But, believe it or not, there are Christians that don't believe a word of the Bible (myself included ((but fuck, I don't even believe in Jesus let alone the resurrection)) ) and yet they have learned to adapt stories and morals from the Bible that make sense in modern history (ie. sending fire and brimstone down on homosexuals? Nuh-uh.) and try very hard to apply them to their lives.
Greg, not meaning to start something but out of curiosity, if you don't believe in the bible, and say you are a christian, by what basis do you have? I know you wrote about it not being some divine intervention that you weren't born some starving child, but if you do not believe in the stuff written in the bible, why are you a christian?
Man we are off topic.
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I'll disagree here. There is truth in science itself, but when you look at the religion of science, all you see are conjectures and theories–not facts about anything. The theory of how existence came into being alone has so many different theories, it's ridiculous: The Big Bang (honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard), the "
" theory, and all of that other nonsense. God and His infinite being just make sense in that regard.This really irked me right here
So you're saying you think a being of higher power creating the universe is more likely because you don't completely understand how The Big Bang works?
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But, believe it or not, there are Christians that don't believe a word of the Bible (myself included ((but fuck, I don't even believe in Jesus let alone the resurrection)) ) and yet they have learned to adapt stories and morals from the Bible that make sense in modern history (ie. sending fire and brimstone down on homosexuals? Nuh-uh.) and try very hard to apply them to their lives.
Interesting point of view Greg… I just don't understand this part of your text, how can someone not believe in Jesus and consider himself a Christian? This puzzles me...
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If the big bang makes no sense, then can you explain where god came from? Not that I don't believe in god, I just don't get why god couldn't just be behind science. And honestly, the Big Bang has actual evidence behind it. A scientific theory doesn't mean just some random guess, you need evidence and such to back it up, and its called a theory ONLY because science evolves over time, we don't have all the facts, and we weren't there when it happened. Honestly, does the 7 days explanation make more sense to you? And don't say the 7 days represtened billions of years or something like that, because even if one were to accept that, the order of the days contradicts actual evidence of which things came first
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Definitely coincidence.
I don't believe whatever God is plays any direct modern role in our lives.
It's absurd.
We're simply a neuron bag that reacts as our experiences have taught us on whim.
There is no divine 'reason' why a family is killed in a car crash or peace is achieved after a war.
But every action is the result of something far greater than us that set those things in motion.
In short, humans ain't where shit's at.
Well, I haven't actually entered into a discussion seriously on anything, One Piece or no, in these forums for a few months now, but this is very refreshing, and other threads of interest are dead.
I gotta say Greg that while your ideas resound strongly with me, having been raised as a full-fledged Catholic (yes, the big bad Christians), my inevitable crisis of faith, as most thinking men arrive to at some point unless I am mistaken, was quite different from yours.
The choices that we are given, as entities devoid of purpose or direction, are to follow the path that we are taught to follow, or eventually use the tools and faculties that we are given to break from the path and make our own. This is of course referring to personal beliefs and ideologies.
The reason Religion still thrives today, even though it is ridiculed in many places as you say, is the need to feel comfort. To feel that you are important. As individuality starts to blur in a world where life is devalued to the point that we are at any given point part of a number or statistic, and many of those lives are taken for a superfluous bottom-line as devoid of purpose as the suffering it generates, the natural response is to want to feel that one is special, that one belongs to something more than glorified earth.
The rampaging need teenagers have for attention, and the reason so many people want to be the next guy or girl in the next hit reality tv show, or be the next overnight celebrity, is that no one wants to accept that we are a speck within a speck within a speck, unimportant to the infinite degree in the larger scope of things.
Our limited perception, and the need for egos to thrive and be succesful, makes it very difficult, if not impossible, to fully accept our significance, or lack thereof, as you so eloquently put it. And while I do believe that you think it so, if you were to feel as insignificant as you claim to know your existence to be, then you would consider life a pointless endeavour, and would hardly be the motivated and happy individual that you are.
Humankind is struggling under the crushing weight of amalgamation and a lack of importance. We could be wiped out tomorrow by nuclear conflict and we would drift off into nothingness and the rest of the universe wouldn't bat the figurative eyelid. Fully embracing science, and nothing-else, inevitably leads to the realization that your purpose and importance are limited to nothing. You are left with simply a series of experiences and memories that make you more or less content. The tendency to immerse ourselves in fiction and create or follow such driven and doubtless characters is comforting, and at least for a while we are thrust into the lives of personalities who have goals larger than our own, and for a while we like to pretend that it isn't all make-believe.
In the end, even though I stopped believing in deities in the form that most people like to imagine them, my brief foray into the world of science (I studied Biology for 2 and a half years) fell short of what I expected it to be. Surely there was something else. Science fails most miserably in explaining the origin of life. Leaps and bounds are being made now, and very interesting new theories are being made as to the when and how the rocks and particulate matter started to organize itself into life, but the process in itself, as well as the blurry definition of when something acquires this "life", are as of yet quite beyond our understanding.
I do believe that if and when someone does make the final distinction and discovery, he/she will have to inevitably be a person of science, detached from such romantic views on the significance of life as I possess. For the key element in which we digress is the fact that I do not believe that any number of trillions of years is enough on it's own to result in what you see in front of you, in what a person that is made from the same stuff as the soil it walks on can give form to. In the art that it can create, or rather, reshape from past experiences, because the notion of absolute creation is impossible to us bags of neurons.
I don't believe in a God with a beard and a toga, or an all encompassing consciousness or entity. But I do believe that something incomprehensibly larger than us is the reason that we exist, and that there is a reason that that in itself exists as well. In the end, the infinite upwards and outwards spiral is impossible to comprehend, but it is comforting to think, or rather know, that regardless of what that reason may be, a reason exists for us existing and being exactly as we are now. It may not be a reason defineable in words, we may simply be part of a self-repeating template, but the fact that we are, and can rejoice in the beauty of life, and share it with others like us and be happy, there is no way that that is just chance.
As anything else, this is just an opinion, but bottom-line I feel that there is a reason for us existing, and eventually we do take part in something larger, even if our consciousness drifts out of the ball of entropy, isolation, and cluelessness that characterizes us humans like no other being that we know. The distinction is possibly semantic only, but the conclusion as to why we need to be thankful, or the philosophy or focus on things changes subtly I think. It is nice though to experience that clash of perspectives and that is the reason we enter into these forums in the first place.
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I believe in a higher purpose and power, but not a deity as religion understands it, and thus do not believe in any one religion, in that I do not need to define, name, or understand the forces that gave us shape. I do not attribute causality as the only reason for our existence and condition. I am just as glad to exist as you are. You could say I do not have the courage to believe myself as utterly insignificant a speck as you do.Zoro gives an intent to causality, and as is the tendency of all humans, it also gives it an identity in the form of gods. He isn't being specific at all but he does attribute the apparent whimsical nature of them, which is actually randomness and just that. Even if it has a preordained purpose or not.
It's funny what such a simple comic book can spark sometimes.
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Greg, not meaning to start something but out of curiosity, if you don't believe in the bible, and say you are a christian, by what basis do you have?
Interesting point of view Greg… I just don't understand this part of your text, how can someone not believe in Jesus and consider himself a Christian? This puzzles me...
What is a Christian? Is it someone that think they're a 'Little Christ'?
Is it someone that believes in Jesus?
Or is it someone that believes the Bible presents a detailed blueprint for how to best achieve peace and harmony with fellow humans for survival?
I personally go with the blueprint.
"But people started wars and have discriminated under the pretexts of the Bible! The Bible is just some stupid book!"
No.
People are stupid.
The Book of Eli has it right.
The Bible is a powerful force for both great good and great evil.
If used as a force to unite a group of people, it can easily be abused. But if used to unite people, it's an excellent handbook for harmony WHEN YOU EXTRACT what was added to it as a means of survival when people who lived to 35 were rare.
I'm carefully with my phrasing there because of how it deals with/describes homosexuals.
Purely from a Darwin perspective, homosexuality is 'unnatural' despite appearing in nature amongst animals because ultimately it's not a trait that would result in mixed genes.
"But Greg with modern scien-"
Bugger off. I'm talking about a natural perspective. So far as we're talking about a 'natural perspective' just taking a manufactured antibiotic is unnatural.
"Greg's gay-bashing!"
I'm working to a point. Homosexuality is not a survival trait. And 'back in the day', people NEEDED to survive. The Bible is not something that appeared when lightning struck the ground, it was written by people and is subject to their imperfections which includes moralizing sexuality. They did this with the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah.
God destroys two lil' cities and today we've got assholes beating up homosexuals in clubs for shits and giggles.
Absurd.
But back then, it was saying:
stick penises in vaginas and get more people.
Today, we obviously have no problem suviving when slobs who practically have cholesterol on IV can just have an operation and come out shining. So when it comes to THOSE aspects of the Bible, it's best to spot them, recognize them for what they were, and promptly ignore the shit out of them.
And finally coming back to my original point, those aspects ASIDE, the Bible's parables are goddamn cool for how they suggest we should live our lives.
UsoppSpell,
Were you agreeing with me? Because I saw little, if anything, that disagreed with what I believe.
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But Greg…..
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Greg has become the outline of a South Park episode. Awesome.
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What is a Christian? Is it someone that think they're a 'Little Christ'?
Is it someone that believes in Jesus?
Or is it someone that believes the Bible presents a detailed blueprint for how to best achieve peace and harmony with fellow humans for survival?
I personally go with the blueprint.
"But people started wars and have discriminated under the pretexts of the Bible! The Bible is just some stupid book!"
No.
People are stupid.
The Book of Eli has it right.
The Bible is a powerful force for both great good and great evil.
If used as a force to unite a group of people, it can easily be abused. But if used to unite people, it's an excellent handbook for harmony WHEN YOU EXTRACT what was added to it as a means of survival when people who lived to 35 were rare.
I'm carefully with my phrasing there because of how it deals with/describes homosexuals.
Purely from a Darwin perspective, homosexuality is 'unnatural' despite appearing in nature amongst animals because ultimately it's not a trait that would result in mixed genes.
"But Greg with modern scien-"
Bugger off. I'm talking about a natural perspective. So far as we're talking about a 'natural perspective' just taking a manufactured antibiotic is unnatural.
"Greg's gay-bashing!"
I'm working to a point. Homosexuality is not a survival trait. And 'back in the day', people NEEDED to survive. The Bible is not something that appeared when lightning struck the ground, it was written by people and is subject to their imperfections which includes moralizing sexuality. They did this with the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah.
God destroys two lil' cities and today we've got assholes beating up homosexuals in clubs for shits and giggles.
Absurd.
But back then, it was saying:
Today, we obviously have no problem suviving when slobs who practically have cholesterol on IV can just have an operation and come out shining. So when it comes to THOSE aspects of the Bible, it's best to spot them, recognize them for what they were, and promptly ignore the shit out of them.
And finally coming back to my original point, those aspects ASIDE, the Bible's parables are goddamn cool for how they suggest we should live our lives.
It's stated pretty clearly in the Bible that a Christian is someone who has accepted Jesus Christ into their heart
And there are lots of fucked up shit in the bible
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UsoppSpell,
Were you agreeing with me? Because I saw little, if anything, that disagreed with what I believe.
As I said, the differences are subtle. But they are there. You put more emphasis in the practicality of religion and downplay the possibility of purpose. I myself still believe in some semblance of purpose and am not simply thankful for being a lucky group of molecules that have been arranged in a way that they give me identity and a chance to be happy.
I may be completely missing your point, but I thought it very interesting how you emphasized this aspect of your perspective, and how pragmatic you are towards the fact that there is no god but the teachings are valid. I disagree in that I believe in a higher power. But maybe I got it all wrong, and it's simply a matter of using different words or focusing on different things.
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Greg has become the outline of a South Park episode. Awesome.
There's an interview with Matt and Trey from some European country floating around on YouTube where they discussed religion.
They had a really profound statement that basically sums up all my theological ideas in about 15-20 words. I'm gonna try and track it down.
It's stated pretty clearly in the Bible that a Christian is someone who has accepted Jesus Christ into their heart
And there are lots of fucked up shit in the bible
Maybe made my point for me.
You can always tell when someone that knows atheist talking points joins the conversation.
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Maybe made my point for me.
You can always tell when someone that just knows atheist talking points joins the conversation.
I was raised heavily Christian
You can always tell when someone assumes
And I don't see how you can garner that from what I said, both are true
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No proper atheists claim to ignore religion. They are actively against it. True agnostics ignore religion, because… the idea of it is just boring. If the topic comes up, they will say a few things they've heard here or there about the religions being discussed, but not express any opinion stronger than "it's unlikely that any religion has it right, but even if they do, whatever" and "anyone who preaches strongly for or against a religion is strange (or "an idiot"), because it's impossible to have the degree of evidence they claim to have for or against it."
Some agnostics are for or against the idea of religion itself, not because they think there is or isn't a god, but because religions are social constructs that can be construed as positive or negative contributions to society, depending on your point of view.
But atheists have the idea "there is no god." The connotation of atheism is no longer the sum of its etymology. So the preachy-types just make a point to teach everyone else that there is no god, and therefore all religions are necessarily wrong, even though it's theoretically possible that they're wrong about that.
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Can we talk about One Piece some more? I can't wait to see if Zoro notices Sanji's eyebrow in this week's chapter!
You're right, but I've heard a lot of Atheists saying they don't care and they know god doesn't exist, and then proceed to discuss it for 10000000 hours on the internet
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I was raised heavily Christian
How you were raised doesn't have anything to do with what talking points you know.
And if you were raised by Fundamentalist nutjobs, all you know are the screwballs aspects of Christianity.
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How you were raised doesn't have anything to do with what talking points you know.
And if you were raised by Fundamentalist nutjobs, all you know are the screwballs aspects of Christianity.
Still don't see how you can garner that I ONLY know Atheist talking points from what I just said
Both are true
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Way to go off topic guys. :ninja:
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Purely from a Darwin perspective, homosexuality is 'unnatural' despite appearing in nature amongst animals because ultimately it's not a trait that would result in mixed genes.
Eh? Why homosexuality would be unnatural by Darwinian standards? Disadvantageous, maybe, but there are plenty of evolutionary deadends.
More importantly, why in the hell is this discussion taking place in a One Piece thread?
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but there are plenty of evolutionary deadends.
Exactly why it's 'unnatural'. It doesn't lead to progress. It's simply, as you said, an evolutionary dead end. Those are just as 'unnatural'. I'm not moralizing it nor do I consider it wrong in the least, simply looking at 'natural' as displaying traits for gene mixing.
Still don't see how you can garner that I ONLY know Atheist talking points from what I just said
Because you brought up slavery in the Bible when I just finished a marathon describing why lots of things in the Bible are mind-numbing.
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There's an interview with Matt and Trey from some European country floating around on YouTube where they discussed religion.
They had a really profound statement that basically sums up all my theological ideas in about 15-20 words. I'm gonna try and track it down.
This the one, starting at 9 mins 30 secs?
Eh? Why homosexuality would be unnatural by Darwinian standards? Disadvantageous, maybe, but there are plenty of evolutionary deadends.
More importantly, why in the hell is this discussion taking place in a One Piece thread?
Cause we're talking about (G)Oda, 'member?
BLASPHEMY!!! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!!
It actually started from people taking Zoro's badassness too far.
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This the one, starting at 9 mins 30 secs?
Holy shit that's so it. Man, was it originally Night Line?
That line is solid.
"Out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly wonderfully ridiculous, the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah there's this big giant universe and it's expanding and it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all here, just, just 'cuz.' "
Isn't this Greg's whole shtick?
Blame it on free time during test season.
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its ridiculous imo that anyone can possibly believe in one religion and call the others hocum. Cause it seems they all truly believe their religion leads to salvation…which means that every single being is bound to hell...
Anyways, maybe someone can tell me...who writes the bible, or whatever the version of a bible is for their religion. Cause to me that if something is binded nicely and printed on ink...then its been modernized and therefore changed, meaning a regular joe could have written it = could just be pure bullshit.
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Holy shit that's so it. Man, was it originally Night Line?
That line is solid.
"Out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly wonderfully ridiculous, the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah there's this big giant universe and it's expanding and it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all here, just, just 'cuz.' "
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It actually started from people taking Zoro's badassness too far.
There's a difference between analyzing what Zoro has said in the past about religion (which is a bad idea from the start since he apparently equates God with Ener regardless of context) and what the current discussion had devolved into though.
Which is why it was moved here. Apparently.
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Phew! Thank God it's all here safe and sound.
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Holy shit that's so it. Man, was it originally Night Line?
That line is solid.
"Out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly wonderfully ridiculous, the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah there's this big giant universe and it's expanding and it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all here, just, just 'cuz.' "
Blame it on free time during test season.
It certainly is. I misunderstood you back in the rant from hell, turns out we're in the same belief ballpark.
@Sea:
Blame me for bringing up about Oda believing in fate but not God.
You know what attention whores were called back in the Dark Ages?
Witches.
Burn him at the stake!
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Just as an aside, I always enjoy when a god-hating atheist and Fundamentalist of any theological division find out there are people that believe in both science and faith.
You can actually see system processes start to malfunction before sparks start shooting out their ears and mouth.