Not really. Mayor Woop Slap indicated that Dadan would be disappointed in Luffy's infamy as a pirate. I doubt they would join.
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I don't remember also that the mayor tells that dadan would be dissapointed about luffy and he just said something like "i wonder if dadans knows about this" Im not saying dadan wouldn't be dissapointed, im just saying dadan have thousands of thoughts when he get to know this like "I don't care", "Oh yeah I want to be sh now", "my son(if she is luffy's mom) needs some little mom and son talk" and etc. It would be cool if she join, she can be luffy's disciplinarian, though that position is already taken by nami.
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Dadan!!?? we don't know him/her yet, but he/she can be a candidate right?
That's something that didn't come to mind. That'd be a nice twist whether that person is a he or she. It'd work best in the good ol flashback moment Oda is fond of. It'd be cool if Dadan is around Luffy's age and grew up with him and decided to go after him after seeing his bounty for w/e reason.
Not really. Mayor Woop Slap indicated that Dadan would be disappointed in Luffy's infamy as a pirate. I doubt they would join.
Not really not really. I actually doubt it cuz this:
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The mention of Dadan here seems to be a completely new thought that came to him unrelated to what he was saying when he brought up Garp. Seems more like the mayor is disappointed and he wonders why somebody like Garp(who probably is to) is letting it get this far. It also seems with the recent explanation of Ace's last name that his hometown doesn't know he's "Fire Fist" Ace or the Mayor would've added him in the way he was talking about Luffy.The way Mayor Woopslap says it Dadan can be anyone from the person Garp gave Ace and Luffy to take care of after he left or Luffy's childhood friend or rival and a couple of other possibilities. So yeah Dadan is a possible candidate for what I was saying earlier…...
EDIT - And IF Dadan is someone who grew up with Luffy and ofcourse Ace or is the person who took care of them or has any connection to both of them I wouldn't be surprised if Oda showed us who Dadan was by making him/her show up in ID as well or around the end of that arc to also save Ace. Or maybe he/she is smart enough to figure Luffy would try and save Ace and doesn't want both of them to die.
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If Dadan is the one who raised Luffy and Ace you could also assume that this is someone who taught them how to fight….their master/sensei whatever you want to call them.
Anyway
Just an idea but if whoever trained Luffy and Ace (if they were trained) rocked up...:blink:
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....yeah scary, not someone to mess with
"Id Like to hold onto youth…
...but I hear you get arrested for that"
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Dadan is most likely their mother and I don't really see Luffy wanting to bring his mom around during his pirating.
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A Helmsman occupation bugs me. I mean, they didn't need one from the start what makes you think they need one now and its not like neither of the SHs can't just go and take the wheel if they wanted to simple steer it.
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A Helmsman occupation bugs me. I mean, they didn't need one from the start what makes you think they need one now and its not like neither of the SHs can't just go and take the wheel if they wanted to simple steer it.
They already have random SHs taking the wheel. Helmsman is a job they don't really need. As well as a cabin boy. Cabin boy is someone who is young and typically the weakest rookie on the crew. I don't see Oda adding someone weaker than Ussop to the crew.
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Pwngoat shall be the next nakama.
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@The:
All this support for Hancock to join, but the way I see it she's got a major problem on her hands if she joins.
her homeland is then subjected to the World Government. The WG might take a hostile approach to them and attack them.
Now sure they are strong, but engough to face an Admiral, I highly doubt it.
If Hancock stays as one of the warlords, her land and people are safe, if not, it sucks to be them.
I still say Mr. 2 will join at the end of the arc. him and Luffy get along and why wouldn't Luffy save him?
Silly Ice Man the WG won't exist after the war with WB Dragon and Shanks.
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ummm…i dont get it ...who's Dadan?
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ummm…i dont get it ...who's Dadan?
Hasn't been explained yet. Dadan has some significance to Luffy though. When they where showing the world's reaction to the SH post EL bounties, the mayor of Luffy's village while looking at Luffy's bounty said something like I wonder what Dadan thinks about this.
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I think the most likely explanation for who Dadan is would be that he is the person Garp left Luffy and Ace in the care of so they could be trained to be "Marines". If Garp left them with him, then surely Garp would have at least assumed that Dadan wouldn't encourage becoming pirates, if not discourage completely. What the Mayor says more or less (depending on translation) adds to this by making it seem like Dadan would also be disappointed by it. To me personally, it was a way of giving us a hint that Dadan will soon enter into the series (likely soon, given Ace's execution) by making it seem like Dadan's "reaction" to the news was to set out after Luffy. The question is, will he be supportive of Luffy or supportive of Garp?
Here is Stephen's take on the translation of that particular chapter:
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Villagers: Party tiiime!! We're havin' a party today!! The most expensive man in all the east!! 300 million!! A toast to our little Luffy!!
Chief: Keep it down, you fools!! Have you no shame?!
Villagers: Aaaah, Chief!!
Makino: Oh, this looks like so much fun! They've even got this adorable pet. These must be Luffy's friends.
Chief: Do those people look FRIENDLY to you?!! Bah!!! An enemy of the entire world has come from our village!!! Don't you understand?!! Who ever heard of a pirate declaring war on the world?! It's preposterous!!
Makino: It certainly is.
Chief: And what does Garp think he's doing?! He's just going to sit back and let his own grandson get away with this?! That entire family is nuts. If Dadan already knows about this…
Villagers: Cheers!!
Chief: PIPE DOWN!!^^ You can see how it seems like the Chief could be insinuating Dadan would be upset, worried, or disappointed. Like:
"If Dadan already knows about this… ...then he might have already set out to save him / check on him."
"If Dadan already knows about this... ...then he's probably furious!"
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Well if you go by Stephen translation. The mayor is talking about Luffy's family being crazy. He first mentioms Garp and how he didn't raise him to be that way. Makes the family comment and then brings up Dadan before he gets cut off by the villager. Saying if Dadan already knows about this. In context it sounds like he was inadvertenly scolding Luffy's parents not raising him right. Especially for someone to directly declare war on the world government. So Dadan and Garp where more inclined towards the WG and Dragon was against it. He expects Garp to try to stop Luffy but gets cut off before saying what Dadan would've done.
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Pwngoat shall be the next nakama.
C'mon might as well end the series then. I can't take the SHs seriously in their upcoming fights if pwngoat is the next nakama. They'd be stronger than every powerful force in OP combined. There's rumors pwngoat allowed Roger to become pirate king since pwngoat as a pirate would be called the Pirate GOD.
Dadan is most likely their mother and I don't really see Luffy wanting to bring his mom around during his pirating.
I don't know where you're getting the "most likely" part. What you think is just speculation and the last couple posts indicate there's a lot of ways to interpret what Mayor Woopslap said regarding Dadan.
It could be in a family context but even then that doesn't mean Dadan is Luffy's mother. It could be a little more general and it could be in the context of ppl who care about or raised Luffy so then it could be the person Garp left them(Luffy n Ace) with or someone they grew up with.
In context it sounds like he was inadvertenly scolding Luffy's parents not raising him right.
I don't see that at all. If that was true wouldn't the parents be mentioned before Garp? Or does Garp being a marine warrant him being mentioned first? Either way I'd think a parent would be mentioned first if he was mentioning Dadan in the context of being disappointed in Luffy.
From Stephen's translation it just seems the Mayor may be alluding to something bad happening if Dadan catches wind of this. "If Dadan already knows about this…" imo sounds like it could be "If Dadan already knows about this things can get worse" in that context "worse" from his perspective would maybe be Luffy and Dadan causing more trouble together or "…Luffy's in trouble...!.."meaning Dadan's about to lay the smackdown on Luffy for being a pirate.
Who knows but now that it has been brought up I do expect Dadan to show up in this ID arc and maybe the war dpending on the person he/she is. For the record I think Dadan is a male, ppl just need to lay off the Luffy's momtheories imo. I don't know how important she'll actually be to this series. Unless she's been mentioned and we haven't made the connection yet.
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C'mon might as well end the series then. I can't take the SHs seriously in their upcoming fights if pwngoat is the next nakama. They'd be stronger than every powerful force in OP combined. There's rumors pwngoat allowed Roger to become pirate king since pwngoat as a pirate would be called the Pirate GOD.
Beautiful, truly beautiful. Almost godly.
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Seeing as how we are going to be in ID for the better part of this year, don't you think the next new nakama could be one of the prisoners? Of course,if that were to happen, it would have to be someone on level 3 to level 5. If Oda said we'd be in ID for a while, it could be possible.
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Zik: Garp gets mentioned first since in the context of what he was saying about going against the governent Garp is a high ranked marine and he should do something to stop Luffy. His whole comment was vague anyway with the first part alluding to Dragon but not specifically stating it.
As for Dadan being Luffy's guardian. It's possible. Were at the point where all we have is a name. And only unknown speculation Dadan was they're guardian. Another theory I have is Luffy's mom died because of the WG and that could be why Dragon is rebeling against the WG. But then sgain that's flimsy as well since how loyal Garp is too the WG. So that wouldn't really make sense.
The reason why I think Dadan could be Luffy's mom is because of how highly Ace regards her compared to his deadbeat dad. He even took her last name. So it means that he's close to his mom and hates his dad for abandoning him and that typically is a psychologocial effect that happens when a mom is left raising kids on her own.
The only unknown variable we have really right now is who is Luffy and Ace's mom. So unless she's dead there would be some point in the series when she gets revealed.
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Another theory I have is Luffy's mom died because of the WG and that could be why Dragon is rebeling against the WG.
Really doubt that since Ace seems to indicate that Dragon left first and Ace's mom raised him alone.
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The reason why I think Dadan could be Luffy's mom is because of how highly Ace regards her compared to his deadbeat dad. He even took her last name. So it means that he's close to his mom and hates his dad for abandoning him and that typically is a psychologocial effect that happens when a mom is left raising kids on her own.
There's no connection between Dadan being mentioned (and speculated as their mother) and the fact of Ace liking his mom more than Dragon. All that Ace stuff doesn't make Dadan more likely to be his mother.
I don't see how form what Woopslap says and what Ace's says about his mom you come up with Dadan is their mother. Although it could be true I just don't see it.
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There's no connection between Dadan being mentioned (and speculated as their mother) and the fact of Ace liking his mom more than Dragon. All that Ace stuff doesn't make Dadan more likely to be his mother.
I don't see how form what Woopslap says and what Ace's says about his mom you come up with Dadan is their mother. Although it could be true I just don't see it.
Well I see it differently. If Ace's/Luffy's mom raised them alone logically it'll be in Luffy's hometown. Ace being close to his mom leads me to believe she was with them for a while. If they where still babies when they left realistically you couldn't build a huge relationship since your still a baby. You'll only have a faint memory of them. Only way I see Dadan as a legal guardian is if at some point their mother died and Dadan took over as their guardian. I agree though that at some pointon Dadan will show up eventually. In what context Dadan shows up is purely speculation until we get more confirmation and who he/she is.
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Well I see it differently. If Ace's/Luffy's mom raised them alone logically it'll be in Luffy's hometown.
That can be disputed since Garp says he trained them(somewhere that's not their hometown I'd guess since when Luffy goes off on his journey it's from his hometown) and then dropped them off with a "friend" and the place I guess would be assumed to be their hometown. It wouldn't make sense to call their mother a friend and exactly why would he drop them off with a friend if their mother is there? (unless you think she came after).
Furthermore, when Ace is talking about his name and everything to Garp. He's not necessarily talking in favor of his mother but more so negatively about his father. Nothing he says indicates that she raised him alone. It could be simply be that the time he spent with her she showed him more affection than his father(who could've been completely non-existent like he was with Luffy) and possibly only knows him by name.
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None of the characters shown so far give me the "there's no chance he ain't gonna join" like Franky and Brook did so I usually just quietly sit it out unless such a character appears. Guys like Paulie, Cindry, Camie, Margaret or Hancock are a definite nono for me from the get go.
But I'd by lying if I'd say that I'd always considered the obvious choice a candidate. There's infact one guy who for some reason strikes me as potential future Strawhat Pirate and he's not only is he not in the league as Franky and Brook, he's not even in the same league as Paulie, Cindry, Camie, Margaret or Hancock. The guy I'm talking about is…Sentomaru!!! I mean really, if Oda'd tell me "one of the guys I've shown in all those 527 chapters will actually join the Strawhats, do you know which one it is?" I'd place my bets on Sentomaru. He's definitely anything but an obvious choice and I don't even expect him to join, but something tells me there's more to (like back then with Robin).
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Dadan is most likely their mother and I don't really see Luffy wanting to bring his mom around during his pirating.
no dadan's his older sister…she looked after him when dragon left
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no dadan's his older sister…she looked after him when dragon left
Is this sarcasm? Even so I think you mean Garp since Dragon was not around and please I rather not this thread end up like the possible siblings thread where ppl just keep bringing up wild relations. It's just for jokes…......
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LOL. So I just updated my opening post with information I thought of in another thread. It might come back to bite me in the arse later, but I thought it was worth thinking on. At the least, it is believable I think. Here it is so you don't have to search if you are interested. WARNING! It's LOOONG:
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Feel free to dip me in tar, throw feathers on me, and then light me on fire for saying this, but– Given Jinbei's build-up over the years, his comparison in "stature" to Arlong (who we know isn't incredibly powerful), the fact that he was captured and thrown in jail, the fact that he is a fishman, the seemingly possible fact that he no longer has a crew, the fact that Luffy essentially did was Fisher Tiger did (I presume Jinbei idolized Fisher Tiger), and the high chance that Luffy will break him out of prison lead anyone to believe he might actually be the next nakama? I mean, sure, I have said in the past that a Shichibukai would overshadow Luffy's position as captain, but that was when we were talking about Hancock, who I felt had other reasons behind that. No, I am not saying JINBEI 4 NAKAMA!?!#@#?@$@BBQ!#@1!? Rather, does anyone else find it to be a possibility that given Jinbei's stance on the war, the fact that he would need to be released from the prison, the fact that the crew is still short two people, the fact that Fishman island is next, and a few other things that Jinbei might be a contender for the position?
Keep in mind I have no current "desire" for Jinbei to join (especially since he is still so mysterious), and I am not saying he should join or that it would be cool if he did. Given that, for the sake of discussion let me give the basic reasons why I considered it:
- Jinbei (I assume) idolized or looked up to Fisher Tiger for who he was and what he did. Luffy just did essentially the same thing to the Tenryuubito, and would now be breaking Jinbei out of prison to save Ace and (indirectly) stop the war that Jinbei was obviously "going wild" about.
- Jinbei is a Shichibukai, yes, but we do not know exactly how strong he is. The crew definately needs more powerhouses, and a Fishman is a great choice if you ask me. Jinbei was compared (perhaps outdated and unfair) to Arlong in terms of social standing, so I am going to assume Jinbei is more like Moria/Crocodile/Hancock level strength rather than Blackbeard/Mihawk. Pure speculation, but enough to assume that he might not be much (if at all) stronger than Zoro and Sanji. In fact, I think he would be a nice addition to the top tier, having infamy similar to Zoro's "Pirate Hunter" past. And of course Sanji has something similar, being the apprentice of 'Red Leg' Zeff and having his own similar title now ('Black Leg' Sanji). Not to mention that – while we don't really know the circumstances -- he was caught and thrown into Impel Down against his will when he went on his rampage. If he can get caught, I cannot imagine him being godly like some people make him out to be.
- I assume – due to the terms for becoming a Shichibukai for him and the splitting of Arlong and co -- that by now Jinbei has no active crew. Given that, he is essentially a one man deal, so (again) were Luffy to break him out of prison and let him know what is going on I can definitely see him (at least) helping Luffy out until the end of the arc. At the end of the arc, he would learn they were heading to Fishman Island and would probably offer up to be a guide since Hachi is injured still.
- Assuming again that he assists Luffy at all, his title as Shichibukai would be stripped. Combine that with Luffy's goals, past actions, current actions, next destination, ultimate goal, and stance with the WG I can see him "looking up to" Luffy in the same way he once looked up to Fisher Tiger. Add that to his lack of crew and status, and why not!?
- Jinbei must have a sad past (as a slave?), and could easily have a flashback. More Fisher Tiger anyone?
- Jinbei would be another role to help complete the whole Tenryuubito ordeal. Especially since we know Hancock will need to return to her island after the "War" and would lose her position if she were spotted assisting Luffy.
- Aside from the Tenryuubito issue, if Jinbei joined or helped guide the SHP's through FI, he could also be the main conflict in that arc. Some issue with the locals and who he is and such. Though I would assume he would be respected, you never know considering he "sided" with the Government for years as a Shichibukai.
- Assuming Jinbei is the 'Martin Luther King' type, and thus wants to smooth things over between Human and Fishman, his dream could be to show that they can coexist together by traveling with Luffy. (A stretch, but I thought I would toss it in).
I still think that if any human has a chance of smoothing things over between any Fishman/men, it's Luffy. Not only because Luffy is who he is, but also because he immitated (well, not intentionally) Fisher Tiger by knocking the Tenryuubito down a peg or two, but also by openly opposing the WG and now infiltrating Impel Down (similar to scaling Red Line for Fisher Tiger) despite the insane odds against him. 'Course, Luffy is a dumbass and Fisher Tiger was likely a smart guy, but given the opportunity anyone can see Luffy has a heart of gol…d. I could see Jinbei befriending him for those reasons (plus Luffy freeing him from prison, plus his war-opposing notion to save Ace), and then becoming the conflict at Fisman Island because he took sides with the WG as Shichibukai and then shows up with a group of Human cronies.
I did always assume that Yosaku's statement about Jinbei's status and "letting Arlong loose" was meant to show that Jinbei forsook his crew (Arlong included) in order to gain his status with the WG. That would piss off the Fishman community (Arlong included) a good amount, and it would make perfect sense too. If the WG takes away the current leader (Jinbei, formerly Fisher Tiger) of the Fishman Pirates, who are a beacon of hope for the Fishman community, and in doing so makes the agreement under the condition that he leave his crew behind, then they successfully break up that "beacon of hope" and no longer have to worry that much about the Fishman community rising up against them more. Given the natural strength of the Fishman community, that would have been a large accomplishment. So making Jinbei Shichibukai gives them more strength, breaks up a troublesome pirate crew, dissipates any building hope or strength the Fishmen might have had, and forces Arlong to seek out a weaker zone to terrorize since he lost a lot of his backbone (Jinbei and such).
Here is what we know:
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Yosaku: The problem is one of those Seven Armed Seas. The leader of the Fishman Pirates, "Jinbeh"!! In exchange for Jinbeh's participation in the Seven Armed Seas, he has set someone terrible loose in East Blue […] known as "ARLONG"!!!
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Rayleigh: Hachi helped me out when I was stranded at sea, over 20 years ago. […] We were good pals, up until he joined the Pirates of the Sun.
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Hancock: Tiger formed the "Pirates of the Sun" out of ex-slaves and left the area! What you most likely mistook for my symbol was in fact the sun mark of the fishman pirates.
So, given that:
- Jinbei was captain of the Fishman Pirates (read: "Pirates of the Sun")
- Jinbei must have been captain over Arlong since he was "let loose" as a term.
- The Fishman Pirates (of the sun) were likely disbanded when Jinbei became Shichibukai, as a term of joining, and thus some of the ex-crew joined with Arlong and sought out easier waters since they lost a lot of their power.
- The Fishmen probably have some enmity towards Jinbei for doing that.
- My theory checks out.
While I don't disagree that the "complicated battle history" Yosaku mentions might very well mean that Jinbei and Arlong butted heads, Yosaku says that part of Jinbei's terms were to let Arlong go. That's why I think it would make perfect sense if the WG thought they could kill two birds with one stone by eliminating the threat that Jinbei and the Fishmen give off by inspiring other Fishmen, while at the same time dispersing their crew entirely. In fact, I will expand on this by "theorizing" further about Jinbei: If Jinbei were a more 'Martin Luther King' Fishman, then perhaps he thought he could ease the tension between Humans and Fishmen by cooperating with the World Government. This would probably be misconstrued by his ex-crew as being a sellout, but perhaps he did it nonetheless in those hopes. That attitude would be reflected in not only his decision to not participate in the war, but also Sengoku's response. Where Sengoku might have assumed he would be all for the "cooperation", he didn't factor in that Jinbei would have wanted it to be made without spilling the blood of someone else (Whitebeard). Of course, that is all just a stab in the dark. I think we are taking this theorizing a little far, but I think most of the base speculation on this has enough information to at least be worth thinking on.
Edit: Oh snap! Jinbei's dream could be to show the world that Man and Fish(man) can coexist! O_O
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Jinbei: Ain't nobody runnin' away, a'ight?!!!
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Jinbei: It ain' my body as hurts, Ace-san…......!!!
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Jinbei: I'll tell ya what's really hurtin'….!!! It's my heart... it's burstin' to deal out justice!!! My Shichibukai title be damned. I'd toss it out in an instant!!! I'd gladly give my own life if it meant puttin' an end to this fighting!!!
Confirmation he is still adamantly opposed to the war. Confirmation he is human-friendly; or at least can be. Confirmation he definitely still wants to take action, just not in cahoots with the WG/Marines. He is willing to throw away his title and status if it meant the chance to deal out justice. If he is willing to give his life for that and willing to give up his position, then surely he would have no issue with being released from prison and then following or assisting a guy who is opposing the WG and aiming to be the Pirate King, knocked in a few Tenryuubito heads, is friends with another Fishman, and busted into a prison to save his brother. Among other things. Not to mention he has a lower bounty – albeit frozen -- than Luffy's.
Jinbei might have risen to the ranks of Captain and even Shichibukai, but right now he is locked in prison without a crew and title. He has fallen from what he might have had, and if anything his introduction is reminiscent of Zoro's. Remember Zoro already had a name for himself and fame enough to instill fear and or knowledge of "Pirate Hunter" Zoro all the way to Arabasta. Robin? Robin's name still puts fear into people; "The Demon of Ohara", and she was wanted and hated by the WG/Marines. Brook? ex-Captain with a bounty on his head; though old, he had established his own place in the world, so to speak. Franky was just as much a gangster as Jinbei might be, and was an actual enemy when he was introduced; not to mention he was apprentice to the world's greatest shipwright and was well known on Water 7. I thought that by now it was clear that there is no established theme outside flashback, sad past, dream, and unique trait / design / personality / style. I don't see how Jinbei would fall out of any of those categories. Well, granted he doesn't exactly have all of those established yet, he is well in line for them all.
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People: {Look at that…It's Straw Hat Luffy, from East Blue!!}^^ An example that Luffy and his crew are known all over the world for their reputation and that even regular people recognize their looks. There are a ton more, but those are two simple examples off the top of my head. The Shichibukai might have years of infamy and fear behind them, but the Strawhats have a ridiculously huge combined bounty – everyone on the crew has a bounty -- with two members over 100mil. Not to mention Luffy's bounty is higher than most of the Shichibukai. I'm not saying that he is more scary or more renowned, just that in any given place he is -- as far as we know -- just as likely to be recognized as any Shichibukai, if not feared as well. If not for having a crazy ass crew, then for having huge bounties and having done crazy ass things like single handedly destroying a huge fortified Marine island/base. In short, having someone like Jinbei join might have seemed crazy years ago, but having him join with their current fame wouldn't be that big of a deal. Luffy could easily become a Shichibukai with his current fame and power -- I mean, he did take out two already – and has goals to be the Pirate King, so having someone of Jinbei's caliber makes sense. Again, Jinbei joining couldn't be at a more perfect time since Luffy has now taken down two Shichibukai, made strong impressions with two other Shichibukai, and seduced yet another Shichibukai. Having one of the last ones join his ranks – the last introduced, to boot -- because he lost his title, was stuck in prison, and still had goals to accomplish makes good sense and good timing, and adds to the fame and influence that "Straw Hat" Luffy has.
We need to see what Jimbei's dream is. If we take the fact that he loves humans and hate wars and say that his dream is to stop the hate between the fishmen and the humans, and also take care of the slavery and stuff like that then i must say that his dream is not (IMO) enough to be a SH. Every SH has a unique dream which make them travel the whole GL.
Very true, but first you have to think about what intentions Jinbei might have had for joining the WG. If Jinbei's dreams are that, then likely he joined the Shichibukai to show the world that a fishman could work alongside them in a peaceful manner. If that isn't working out, then why not show the world by being part of the next Pirate King's crew? Travel the world and show people that you can live alongside humans just the same. Surely that news would spread as they travel. That's just my guess though. All of that is pure speculation and hypothesis.
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The fun part is that even before I read that far in your post I already thought "heck, it might work since I expect to see a Fisher Tiger flashback at some point and Jinbei would be the perfect opportunity for that".^^
Now I'm definitely not sold on that but considering what I wrote in the Fishman Island thread about Jinbei having an egalitarian view we could actually have a dream in the making here. Only glitch here (as ridiculous as it may sound) is that I don't see Jinbei being a helmsman. Yeah, I know, Gorlom is gonna hate me for this but I've been saying for almost four years that the Strawhat's will get a fishman helmsman and I'll stick with it till the end.
If Jinbei however should be mentioned to be a helmsman at some point I'll consider him the next crewmate even if that is during a phase where he says he's going to kill Luffy. I'm serious.
That said, Jinbei would even cover one of the reasons I thought Sentomaru would join…he seems to be fat. And I like to have half of Luffy's crew to not have a resembling physique. A fat dude would follow the route opened by Chopper, Franky and Brook. Two more guys that have a totally unique physique would balance it out. One would be a fat dude, the other...no idea? But I'm hoping for a monkeyman.
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That said, Jinbei would even cover one of the reasons I thought Sentomaru would join…he seems to be fat. And I like to have half of Luffy's crew to not have a resembling physique. A fat dude would follow the route opened by Chopper, Franky and Brook. Two more guys that have a totally unique physique would balance it out. One would be a fat dude, the other...no idea? But I'm hoping for a monkeyman.
Well Crossword points out the being a Whale(shark?) Fishman, Jinbei is likely to be huge – if not fat as well -- in a "giant" sort of way. While I have no reason to believe this, I don't expect Jinbei to be much larger than Kuma or Moria (if that large). (Well, it would have made getting him down that "lift" in Impel Down difficult). Either way, I would expect him to be larger than the average person, but somewhere near Whitebeard's size would be appropriate I think. Given that, I see no reason why he wouldn't fit on board the ship. I have always wanted a "giant" type character to join the crew. With an axe or club preferably. haha.
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Well Crossword points out the being a Whale(shark?) Fishman, Jinbei is likely to be huge – if not fat as well -- in a "giant" sort of way. While I have no reason to believe this, I don't expect Jinbei to be much larger than Kuma or Moria (if that large). (Well, it would have made getting him down that "lift" in Impel Down difficult). Either way, I would expect him to be larger than the average person, but somewhere near Whitebeard's size would be appropriate I think. Given that, I see no reason why he wouldn't fit on board the ship. I have always wanted a "giant" type character to join the crew. With an axe or club preferably. haha.
Sentomaru would cover that. Though he isn't really huge, just corpulent.^^
Edit: Zkaiser beat me to it. But then again, he wrote a one word statement. ;PAs far as giants are concerned, back in the days what I wanted a giant to join I've always figured somebody like Brue, from the Round the Land game would appear, meaning he would have eaten a Shrink fruit to be normally sized for the most time and turn into his true giant form at the end. But ever since Chopper went Monster I ditched that idea because I'm quite sure (thank Ambition) that at some point he will master to control it and change into that form at will.
But back to Jinbei. Yep, him being a whaleshark actually could mean that he would be rather big. But if that's the case I'd really wouldn't want such a huge guy to join if only for stilistic reasons in a group picture. If he's tall as Arlong and build like Sentomaru I'd think he'd be already large enough.
But anyways, I find it interesting what you made of Jinbei without even having much info of the guy. I'm serious.
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Either way, I would expect him to be larger than the average person, but somewhere near Whitebeard's size would be appropriate I think. Given that, I see no reason why he wouldn't fit on board the ship.
Kuma and Whitebeard would certainly have trouble getting through these doors, with their height and girth. (Size comparison provided by the Straw Hats)
Yeah, I'm being argumentative, but claims that a high-status, big-name, world-renowned character joining the crew is rapidly becoming a pet peeve of mine.
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You know me so well Ivotas. Imo Nami's "piloting" skills (according to that job description posted a while back) are good enough that nothing an official helmsman can contribute with will make any difference.
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Yeah, I'm being argumentative, but claims that a high-status, big-name, world-renowned character joining the crew is rapidly becoming a pet peeve of mine.
You mean like Nico Robin the only person who has the ability to revive the power that can destroy the entire world. Yeah, such a high-status (chriminal), big-name, world-renowned person joining the Strawhats isn't OP-esque at all…oh wait! ;P
You know me so well Ivotas. Imo Nami's "piloting" skills (according to that job description posted a while back) are good enough that nothing an official helmsman can contribute with will make any difference.
Well, let's just say we agree to disagree here. I think Nami's navigation skills would compliment a good helmsman. I mean, even though Franky's domain is building awesome stuff it doesn't stop Usopp from being good on that field (albeit not in the same league) too. If there's a crew where characters compliment each others skills then it's the Strawhats. I think it could work.
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Nah, I mean more along the lines of Hancock, Jimbei,Kuma, etc. People who are solidly established as near the top of the foodchain, as all of the current Straw Hats except for Robin and kinda-sorta Franky started out as, in the scheme of things, nobodies.
And to be fair, we didnt' really get the full extent of how world-shatteringly-important Robin supposedly was until Water 7.
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Sentoumaru?
Sentomaru would cover that. Though he isn't really huge, just corpulent.^^
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Because it is fact that Sentoumaru is fat and ugly…...and thus is not allowed to join the crew. THIS I COMMAND!! (Good ol' Serpentor)
No. No more ugly people are allowed to join the crew. Also, no more uncool people are allowed either. Hence the reason I disallowed Sentoumaru from joining….him and his fat ugly face.
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As far as giants are concerned, back in the days what I wanted a giant to join I've always figured somebody like Brue, from the Round the Land game would appear, meaning he would have eaten a Shrink fruit to be normally sized for the most time and turn into his true giant form at the end.
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One of the reasons I liked the idea (when I thought of it way back when) of a Giant with a shrinking-type DF, was because I imagined it condensing his strength into a smaller and more agile body, making him faster and more powerful despite his size. Something like this from Kekkaishi comes to mind.
For me, it would be extra cool if his original strength and whatnot at full, normal, giant size was condensed when he shrinks to the average human size ~~ giving him a speed and strength boost like Ichigo's ban kai. (lool).
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But anyways, I find it interesting what you made of Jinbei without even having much info of the guy. I'm serious.
Thanks. I was actually pretty excited when I put it all together. It was like one thought of "Hey, I wonder if _____" that led to more and more and more and more. Before I knew it I had some huge ridiculous theory. I hope Oda doesn't do something else just to spite me. He would do that…...
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Nah, I mean more along the lines of Hancock, Jimbei,Kuma, etc. People who are solidly established as near the top of the foodchain.
Actually those guys aren't top of the foodchain either.
And to be fair, we didnt' really get the full extent of how world-shatteringly-important Robin supposedly was until Water 7.
Erm, wasn't she the partner of a Shichibukai? And didn't she have like only two million less of the bounty than said person?
Also it was because of her that Smoker said, that this isn't about taking over only a country anymore but that actually the entire world might be in danger. W7 only explained it is so, but her danger-status was confirmed back then already. In fact with that statement she had even higher danger-status then Crocodile, who until then struck Smoker only as somebody who wants to take over a country. And we're talking about a Shichibukai here.
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Kuma and Whitebeard would certainly have trouble getting through these doors, with their height and girth. (Size comparison provided by the Straw Hats)
You doubt Franky's skills??!?
Yeah, I'm being argumentative, but claims that a high-status, big-name, world-renowned character joining the crew is rapidly becoming a pet peeve of mine.
I understand what you mean, but I fleshed this thing out pretty thoroughly. It's not like I pulled stuff out of my ass. I'm not even saying it will happen, just saying "look at all this" and then putting together some "possibilities" out of it. Stuff to think and chat on. If it doesn't happen, I will sigh and say "it could have been". If it does, I will buy myself lunch as celebration!
People who are solidly established as near the top of the foodchain.
I don't think the Shichibukai are really that. I considered them to be more like a half-way mark. See, when Luffy took down Croc it was HUGE. When Luffy took down Moria it was pretty big too, but we started to get over confident and began discussing the varying levels of strength amongst the Shichibukai and speculated whether or not Luffy would take them all down in due time. Now, we all kind of agree Blackbeard will be one of (if not the) endgame antogonist, but what of the rest? I myself don't want Luffy to take out all of the Shichibukai, so what we have right now is nice, and with the addition of Jinbei would be great:
- Defeated: Crocodile, Moria
- Seduced: Hancock
- Neutral/AFK: Kuma
- Recruited: Jinbei
- Goals: Blackbeard, Mihawk
- Unknown: Queerbait Flaminghobag
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Uh, I'm really not interested in arguing over this, but the Shichibukai are near the top of the foodchain, which is why they were chosen, so that the Government would have their guns pointed at their enemies rather than themselves, as was explicitly the case with Hancock. And I think we all agreed a few pages back that Robin joining was an anomaly, so we can't really rely on her as a standard.
Again, I just like to play things safe and try to keep my speculations in line with with information that I know and what I deem plausible, especially when it comes to speculating something like who the next character that I will have to watch and put up with constantly for the next ten years will be.
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You doubt Franky's skills??!?
I understand what you mean, but I fleshed this thing out pretty thoroughly. It's not like I pulled stuff out of my ass. I'm not even saying it will happen, just saying "look at all this" and then putting together some "possibilities" out of it. Stuff to think and chat on. If it doesn't happen, I will sigh and say "it could have been". If it does, I will buy myself lunch as celebration!
I don't think the Shichibukai are really that. I considered them to be more like a half-way mark. See, when Luffy took down Croc it was HUGE. When Luffy took down Moria it was pretty big too, but we started to get over confident and began discussing the varying levels of strength amongst the Shichibukai and speculated whether or not Luffy would take them all down in due time. Now, we all kind of agree Blackbeard will be one of (if not the) endgame antogonist, but what of the rest? I myself don't want Luffy to take out all of the Shichibukai, so what we have right now is nice, and with the addition of Jinbei would be great:
- Defeated: Crocodile, Moria
- Seduced: Hancock
- Neutral/AFK: Kuma
- Recruited: Jinbei
- Goals: Blackbeard, Mihawk
- Unknown: Queerbait Flaminghobag
OH GOD…........................we know two things about the guy and now we want him to join, he hasn't even made an official appearance yet and your already drooling all over the guy to join...smh, this has got to be the worst "I wanna member to join" crap yet!
BRENNEN IS A DOODOO HEAD AND HIS THEORIES SUCK!
PREACH!!!!!!…..lol
Now...waits for Brennen's 3 page response!
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Semtoumaru isn't ugly. Unless you somehow think his corpulence negates his facial features.
The only thing wrong with him is his outfit. Give him an open shirt with a t-shirt underneath and jeans. With that and his axe on his back he would gain instant awesomeness. -
OH GOD…........................we know two things about the guy and now we want him to join, he hasn't even made an official appearance yet and your already drooling all over the guy to join...smh, this has got to be the worst "I wanna member to join" crap yet! PREACH!!!!!!.....lol. Now...waits for Brennen's 3 page response!
Eh? I don't know what you are talking about…
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Although Brennen's has one of the few most thought out and deeply theorized speculations for next nakama it does have it pros and cons. As logical/reasonable as it is with what we know it is based on too many assumptions and not enough information but I applaud him for what he did with it and how he tried to make it fit the story. There may be a lot crow to eat if things actually go down the way he's loosely suggested it.
But I just don't have any motivation for supporting, bashing, or arguing against it.
Anyway I'll stand firm on the next nakama being a completely new character (doesn't count for Jinbei since he's been mentioned for awhile now and NO I don't want to discuss/argue this). Not necessarily a novice but possibly a rookie to piracy, I don't see anybody we've met before joining either, unless Oda shoves it down our throats and were forced to deal with it. I also think that specifically the next nakama won't be that much of a surprise when it happens, there may be a good amount of candidates but when it does happen Oda will structure it in similar fashion to nakamas such as Sanji, Zoro, and Chopper. The last nakama on the other hand meh who knows…... could be mayor Woopslap lol
Anybody wanna take a second look at that great black hippie nakama suggestion? Sure as hell was cool
[hide]@Zik:So here's my declaration for a black hippie for nakama!!!!!!!
He constantly smokes weed, (that may lead to sessions of him "spitting knowledge") so much that he's basked in a dark green aura/glow and any time he can't get his fix he immediately goes in to withdrawal and detoxes. He uses a lot of slang, when he screams he suddenly has an Australian accent similar to Steve Irwin and Russell Crowe. He has many dreams, in fact he declares a new one every chapter. He also has a very sad past which is symbolized by the numerous scars on his body similar to Vash the Stampede. However, his tragic story changes every time he tells it or reminisces (paying homage to The Joker in The Dark Knight). He always has the munchies and quickly gets the -itis so he complains the crew is too dangerous for him when he sees no personal gain in an adventure. He does a great Christopher Walken impression. He's secretly a weapons master and elite martial artist, so he can fight with just about anything. His overall fighting style is a mix between acrobatics and jeet kun do but he downplays that for an easy going life. When Luffy gets around to giving him a position it'll be crew therapist. Yea he's also a doctor…!....As for where we meet this possible amazing character turned next nakama he could be an inmate in ID arrested in a case of mistake identity(some lvl 4 pirate) or he can be passing through SA looking for a way around this huge wall he's ended up at. He's 23 years old and has gold painted chain necklace with his bong attached to it. In the SA scenario he'll have a bounty of 66,666 and his nickname will be "Nanashi" uhhh ummm he's represented by a tortoise or a sea turtle and his color gray but he swears its silver.
Ha!
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@Zik: He should wear a yellow jumpsuit and have fuckwin sideburns.
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I'm thinking 6'5" to 6'9" with a slim yet athletic build to make the yellow jumpsuit not look unnecessary. Maybe add dome shades to cover his watery red eyes from all the blunt smoke but yea I see you see my vision as well.
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For my recommendation of a black hippie nakama think:
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Yea yea yea that's about it..EDIT
@Zkaiser I agree about the yellow jumpsuit I just can't find a pic portraying it good enough. You see my vision tho…......[/hide]
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I love brennen's arguments for why Jinbei could join, I'm completely sold on that.
Also like the sound of Sentoumaru joining as it would be very unexpected and he seems interesting and looks interesting as well, but I think he might know a bit too much about the government and stuff for it to be good for the story for him to join. He'd have to spill the beans on everything if he did, not that I would mind. If he joined them and didn't tell them everything he knows, it would just feel stupid.
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Also like the sound of Sentoumaru joining as it would be very unexpected and he seems interesting and looks interesting as well, but I think he might know a bit too much about the government and stuff for it to be good for the story for him to join. He'd have to spill the beans on everything if he did, not that I would mind. If he joined them and didn't tell them everything he knows, it would just feel stupid.
Problem I have with Sentoumaru – outside his being ugly -- is that he seems a little too loyal to the WG. He was proud of his position when he was talking to the SHP's, and he was really close with Kizaru. Not to mention he was questioning (rather suspiciously and harshly) Kuma and his actions. 'Course, Oda being Oda, who can say? "It's One Piece."
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Semtoumaru isn't ugly. Unless you somehow think his corpulence negates his facial features.
It's more like a joke, really. Back when all we saw was his silhouette in the early chapters – what? 494? -- I was spamming "Axe guy for Nakama!! Unless he is ugly, then he's not allowed to". That went on until we learned his name -- weeks later -- but still hadn't seen his face. I was getting ALL excited and then------ we get some huge fatass that looks like Robin's twin brother with a scar down his face. I wasn't pleased. I was entertained, but I had to forbid him from joining the crew. The rest was fate.
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That's not what I was commenting on. The quote finally decided to work.
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- Defeated: Crocodile, Moria
- Seduced: Hancock
- Neutral/AFK: Kuma
- Recruited: Jinbei
- Goals: Blackbeard, Mihawk
- Unknown: Queerbait Flaminghobag
Best.Quote.Ever!
You rock brennen
