Magnetic monkey: Probably included in "WG". Hasn't crocodile already proven he never gave up on his dream and been against the WG for a while now already? And as I understood it Jinbei wasnt all too keen on being on the WGs side in this conflict in the beginning and thats why hes in ID… So i dont really se how any of those can turn? =S
Chapter 525 "Underwater Prison Impel Down" Discussion
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I meant it as in… Crocodile gave up on sharpening his own skills. And what I mean by "turn", is to start attacking the world government.
And... Jinbei has been shown to argue with the world government, but he hasn't completely turned against them. Ex: I disagree with my mom =/= My mom's my enemy.//Sorry for being vague
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Well. I really hope we see Crocodile, Daz, Bon Clay and Mr. 3 in Impel Down. It would feel like a wasted opportunity if they weren't shown. Also, I think that Minotaur thing is just a beast… I doubt it's a devil fruit user.
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I have no idea what you mean by gave up on sharpening his own skills. wasnt that what he was doing in alabasta all along? building up power and using his sand abilities to attack other pirates? And imo attacking the King/royal family of Alabasta and trying to throw the nation into civil war = attacking a nation belonging to the WG = attacking the WG.
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Hasn't crocodile already proven he never gave up on his dream and been against the WG for a while now already?
Nah I'm pretty sure Croc gave up on attaining his pirate dream(to be PK as I recall). What he wanted to do with Pluton was take over the world I think. He only kinda got back to his old pirate dream having self at the end of the BW cover story(I think him deciding not to break out and be taken to ID has something do with his new plans).
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Its not just Luffy under the robes thats going to be the problem… Don't forget Hancock's mark of shame is under threat here too.
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D: Imperal down is scary~~
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Angel got me thinking… Doesn't full body check mean they are just going to pat her down and ask her to empty her pockets? Or does it mean strip and/or cavity search?
Nah I'm pretty sure Croc gave up on attaining his pirate dream(to be PK as I recall).
If he takes over the world wouldn't he still become pirateking in a way? Depending on how he does it… Do you have some source where he specifically says he gave up on it? because I personally wouldn't consider trading the pk title for world domination to give up on the dream.
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If he takes over the world wouldn't he still become pirateking in a way? Depending on how he does it… Do you have some source where he specifically says he gave up on it? because I personally wouldn't consider trading the pk title for world domination to give up on the dream.
Nah just my opinion in regards to the way Croc went about taking over Alabasta and the plans he had once he would get Pluton.
To me though you could be the ruler of the world but if you don't have OP you're not PK. Now you can say ruling the world is better(it is imo) but getting OP isn't essential in reaching that level.
Just saying, the way Croc acts in Alabasta during his plan and his humbled version in the cover story shows some difference.
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Angel got me thinking… Doesn't full body check mean they are just going to pat her down and ask her to empty her pockets? Or does it mean strip and/or cavity search?
It's not like they need to make sure she doesn't have any suspicious marks on her body. They just want to make sure she's not hiding anything like… Luffy!
I think it will go down like this: They search Hancock and we think that they will find Luffy, but Luffy isn't there. Where could he be? Once inside the prison it's revealed that he's inside the snake, and it'll be shown when and where he switched hiding places.@silvers: Crocodile and Jinbei are absolutely potential allies againts the WG. Jinbei is prepared to lose his Shichibukai status - meaning they probably won't let him out of ID, and Croc has no loyalty to the WG, since he plotted against him and they sent him to ID.
If also Arlong is there he'd be on board too if Jinbei is (if the two of them are on good terms) and we could end up with lots of old enemies on "our" side, which I think is exciting as hell. And don't forget that the Supernovas were most likely captured and if so they are at ID now. Can't wait to see how this is going to turn out...And I hope Saul is alive and locked up there as well.
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It's not like they need to make sure she doesn't have any suspicious marks on her body. They just want to make sure she's not hiding anything like… Luffy!
I think it will go down like this: They search Hancock and we think that they will find Luffy, but Luffy isn't there. Where could he be? Once inside the prison it's revealed that he's inside the snake, and it'll be shown when and where he switched hiding places.@silvers: Crocodile and Jinbei are absolutely potential allies againts the WG. Jinbei is prepared to lose his Shichibukai status - meaning they probably won't let him out of ID, and Croc has no loyalty to the WG, since he plotted against him and they sent him to ID.
If also Arlong is there he'd be on board too if Jinbei is (if the two of them are on good terms) and we could end up with lots of old enemies on "our" side, which I think is exciting as hell. And don't forget that the Supernovas were most likely captured and if so they are at ID now. Can't wait to see how this is going to turn out...And I hope Saul is alive and locked up there as well.
Saul, alive? No, I doubt it. If he is, yeah he'd be locked up, but imagine all that suffering in ID for.. like 20 years, right? Ehh. I think he's dead. Period.
Just had to do that.
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Hasn't alot of prisoners suffered in ID for a lot longer then that? Besides Giants live for 3 times as long as humans, 20 years would be nothing for Saul.
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Hasn't alot of prisoners suffered in ID for a lot longer then that? Besides Giants live for 3 times as long as humans, 20 years would be nothing for Saul.
True, I forgot, but still, I think he's dead.
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@ZeArmyOfHalen:
True, I forgot, but still, I think he's dead.
I think he's dead too, which is why it would be really shocking and cool if he's actually alive. :shocked:
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hey did we get any confirmation yet on whether there is a chapter next week.
I know battlefranky usually puts up a thing sometime saying there isn't. But nothing yet, and there was talk in spoiler thread saying that there wasn't.
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Well. I really hope we see Crocodile, Daz, Bon Clay and Mr. 3 in Impel Down. It would feel like a wasted opportunity if they weren't shown. Also, I think that Minotaur thing is just a beast… I doubt it's a devil fruit user.
I agree. I don't think Oda will let this oppurtunity slide. I think we have an even larger chance at this since Bon Clay is a friend of the Straw Hat's. Also, I'm thinking that the Minotaur is also just some type of beast. If he wasn't, then he would be affected by some of the seastone cages that he would occasionally go through…although it's very possible that he doesn't deal with any prisoners who need those special cuffs and bars.
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Once again, an earth-shattering chapter.
And Boa's reason was to see Ace? May I now officially call it a lame story point brennen?
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Personally, I want them to have Crocodile and Moria fight, and the winner gets the warlord title. Crocodile is better than Moria anyway, and we really don't need Moria anymore :P
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If he wasn't, then he would be affected by some of the seastone cages that he would occasionally go through…although it's very possible that he doesn't deal with any prisoners who need those special cuffs and bars.
Common misconception. Seastone is not kryptonite. Being close to it doesn't make a DF user weak, just direct contact. We may have no examples as to how Seastone affects Zoans, but the way I see it, it wouldn't do shit. Seastone has only shown the ability to make a DF user weak and unable to control their powers. If a Zoan was in Beast mode and encountered seastone, they just wouldn't be able to change into another. It would make them weak but probably not very seeing as how Robin had a considerable amount of strength on the Bridge of Hesitation.
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Well, I think this arc will end into a major battle royal. We might see many other character we haven't seen in a long time. It would makes sense since One Piece is 10 years old, been a long time since some of the old characters. So we will be getting to see many stuff that have been happening during the whole journey of the Straw Hats.
One thing thou, has anyone consider that Tom might still be alive? They took him alive that moment. So probably we might find more info on Franky during this arc. -
Once again, an earth-shattering chapter.
And Boa's reason was to see Ace? May I now officially call it a lame story point brennen?
well that makes sense. She is being forced to partake in this Whitebeard war. It makes sense that she would want to see the person responsible for it.
again gonna ask, any word on if chapter next week or not?
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Zkaiser:
I know it only makes them weak from direct contact, but he opens and closes the cells and if they were made of seastone then they would affect him. When Luffy grabbed onto them, he started to lose stamina pretty quickly. I'm not saying that Minotaur would slump over, but he probably deals with the cells on a regular basis, having to touch them to open them, close them, feed them or whatever.
It was just a thought.
Mustang:
Why would they need to fight?
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well that makes sense. She is being forced to partake in this Whitebeard war. It makes sense that she would want to see the person responsible for it.
Yeah, it makes total sense that they'd let her go to ID to see the center of everything hours before he's to be executed. Nothing suspicious or dangerous about that whatsoever.
The point still stands that she had much leverage given what they needed from her, but it's still incredibly naive to think they'd allow something like that for such a reason.
again gonna ask, any word on if chapter next week or not?
No advertisement in the back = no chapter
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Yeah, it makes total sense that they'd let her go to ID to see the center of everything hours before he's to be executed. Nothing suspicious or dangerous about that whatsoever.
Yup. Momonga is awesome, but he's kind of an idiot.
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Yup. Momonga is awesome, but he's kind of an idiot.
I don't blame Momonga. He's the fucking shit. I'm sure if he had things his way he'd put Boa over his knee and spank the bitch. Whoever approved such a request is just….ugh.
Oda is good. Oda is great. But he does weak stuff from time to time and this was one of 'em. Guess I'll manage to go on living somehow ;)
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Yeah, it makes total sense that they'd let her go to ID to see the center of everything hours before he's to be executed. Nothing suspicious or dangerous about that whatsoever.
The point still stands that she had much leverage given what they needed from her, but it's still incredibly naive to think they'd allow something like that for such a reason.
No advertisement in the back = no chapter
well damn no chapter sucks.
But to me it sounded like Hancock only agreed to come if they were allowed to stop and see Ace first. now sure he might be all suspicious like WTF she want to see him for.
But they are gonna strip search her, and put kaioseki cuffs on her. And also Momongo i think is more releived than worried that he actually got hancock to come and she is cooperating somewhat. He was probably told do whatever you can to get her to come and he is doing just that.
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But they are gonna strip search her, and put kaioseki cuffs on her. And also Momongo i think is more releived than worried that he actually got hancock to come and she is cooperating somewhat. He was probably told do whatever you can to get her to come and he is doing just that.
I beat this point to death two weeks ago but the very act of allowing her to go there at a time like this when they need her at MF is absurd. I've also argued the point that it would be worthless for her to be there even though they don't know WB's movements. If you're interested in what I have to say please check the 523 thread. If you can find any unexplored points to bring up please by all means do so. But I think it will remain I see this as one of Oda's more weak foundations.
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well damn no chapter sucks.
But to me it sounded like Hancock only agreed to come if they were allowed to stop and see Ace first. now sure he might be all suspicious like WTF she want to see him for.
But they are gonna strip search her, and put kaioseki cuffs on her. And also Momongo i think is more releived than worried that he actually got hancock to come and she is cooperating somewhat. He was probably told do whatever you can to get her to come and he is doing just that.
Not to sound like some pervert (not really being a pervert, though, but I can't think of any other word) but I expect a big comedic scene when they strip search her.
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When I think back on it her whole crush on Luffy deal seems like a forced plotdevice to sneak Luffy into ID imo. The crush probably could have worked if it was worked into the story slower and wasn't used right away.
Oda is probably focusing more to make this whole war story click.. It has potential to be really big and complex and there might be some story points he still hasnt completly ironed out yet. This point in the story (meaning the war) is probably something he has rewritten a bunch of times already so that it connects correctly to both past and future of the story. -
Stop whining Gorlom. You seemed to do it fine at the end of your second sentence…
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Only if you bring me some Cheese!
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No advertisement in the back = no chapter
Depressing news…......
I hate the end and beginning of the year for One Piece, if it isn't some holiday stuff, Oda is taking off, blah blah blah:sad:
Also, could you imagine Robin in ID, jeezzzzzzzzzz, she won't make it one day with all that crap! She'd probably be raped in beat within hrs!:sad:
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Once again, an earth-shattering chapter.
And Boa's reason was to see Ace? May I now officially call it a lame story point brennen?
Very lame, not only that I'm smh @ the WG/marines for this clear/inane incompetence. A shichibukai seeing the key pawn in this war at a time like this for what? sigh
When I think back on it her whole crush on Luffy deal seems like a forced plotdevice to sneak Luffy into ID imo.
One of the things I feel ruined her character, she had potential. Unless another 180 is coming for her, death becomes her.
I'll just act like there's a chap next week for now. Here's to Greg's sound reasoning of no chap next week being wrong!(no sarcasm)
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Well, crap.
So it's going to be like six straight weeks of alternating chapters, what with the beginning-of-year doubleissues and whatnot. >_<
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I beat this point to death two weeks ago but the very act of allowing her to go there at a time like this when they need her at MF is absurd. I've also argued the point that it would be worthless for her to be there even though they don't know WB's movements. If you're interested in what I have to say please check the 523 thread. If you can find any unexplored points to bring up please by all means do so. But I think it will remain I see this as one of Oda's more weak foundations.
While I wasn't there for all this argument, couldn't the WG's sensitive relationship with the shichibukai be one reason? Currently the WG wants all the shichibukai there, it's a matter of survival for them. Therefore, I think they want to keep these guys happy. It's a similar reason why Monmoga forgave Hancock for what she did to him and his men at her introduction. Or why Donflamingo got away with nearly forcing two marines to swordfight. Or why Kuma saw no punishment for his questionable actions.
They'll search her, put sea stone cuffs on her, and on top of it all, she's there. I think if someone of her position wants to do something, then the WG isn't going to argue even if the motivation isn't clear (and they frankly aren't that close to know the motivation of these people). Since, from their perspective, they've protected Hancock from freeing prisoners, they have no reasons to fight with her (since it'd be trouble for them).
So basically, despite the importance of Ace I don't think the WG has the right to refuse a shichibukai after going to such lengths to insure she cant' free anyone. Her status is letting her do this with no question.
But yeah, it is a plot convince for sure.
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While I wasn't there for all this argument, couldn't the WG's sensitive relationship with the shichibukai be one reason? Currently the WG wants all the shichibukai there, it's a matter of survival for them. Therefore, I think they want to keep these guys happy. It's a similar reason why Monmoga forgave Hancock for what she did to him and his men at her introduction. Or why Donflamingo got away with nearly forcing two marines to swordfight. Or why Kuma saw no punishment for his questionable actions.
They'll search her, put sea stone cuffs on her, and on top of it all, she's there. I think if someone of her position wants to do something, then the WG isn't going to argue even if the motivation isn't clear (and they frankly aren't that close to know the motivation of these people). Since, from their perspective, they've protected Hancock from freeing prisoners, they have no reasons to fight with her (since it'd be trouble for them).
So basically, despite the importance of Ace I don't think the WG has the right to refuse a shichibukai after going to such lengths to insure she cant' free anyone. Her status is letting her do this with no question.
But yeah, it is a plot convince for sure.
I agree with this. If I was the WG I would just want to get as many of my pawns gathered before the war, and with Jinbei probably still out of the game, they can't afford to lose Hancock, so if she wants to stop by and talk to Ace, that's fine, because while they know that she's a bitch who doesn't really want to help, they have no reason what so ever to suspect her of trying something funny (what purposes could she possibly have for going against them? Suddenly being in love with the prisoner's brother? Who could ever guess such a thing), and security precautions are being taken before they let her into ID, they'll even handcuff her!
So I think they have it all covered. Luffy shouldn't be able to suceed with his plan, and I don't think he will. He'll get caught (even if it's not right away) and then who knows what'll happen.
And lets hope we get to see Sengoku fight in the war. He's a former admiral so he should at least be on par with Aokiji and Kizaru, and should be most awesome!
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Why would they need to fight?
They don't need to, but seeing as they both lost to Luffy they'd have to have some way to determine who's more worthy of the title… although if they just outed Moria then no complaints :P
Better to bring back Croc than go through another warlord-recast. Not to mention Moria is a terrible fighter, and Croc is a decent one.
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But moria has more of a hax power so he'd be tricky to deal with if yuo don't know what you're doing.
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While I wasn't there for all this argument, couldn't the WG's sensitive relationship with the shichibukai be one reason? Currently the WG wants all the shichibukai there, it's a matter of survival for them. Therefore, I think they want to keep these guys happy. It's a similar reason why Monmoga forgave Hancock for what she did to him and his men at her introduction. Or why Donflamingo got away with nearly forcing two marines to swordfight. Or why Kuma saw no punishment for his questionable actions.
They'll search her, put sea stone cuffs on her, and on top of it all, she's there. I think if someone of her position wants to do something, then the WG isn't going to argue even if the motivation isn't clear (and they frankly aren't that close to know the motivation of these people). Since, from their perspective, they've protected Hancock from freeing prisoners, they have no reasons to fight with her (since it'd be trouble for them).
So basically, despite the importance of Ace I don't think the WG has the right to refuse a shichibukai after going to such lengths to insure she cant' free anyone. Her status is letting her do this with no question.
But yeah, it is a plot convince for sure.
Yes, I addressed this point as well. Again, 523 thread would be a good read.
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But I think it will remain I see this as one of Oda's more weak foundations.
There's a thread that was just created detailing different bits of evidence that Oda's over-worked or just a little sloppy recently. My guess is this little weak bit of the story is just a by product of what ever reason is plauging his drawing skills. Since it's such a small error and could easily be fixed with a few words by either Momonga or Boa, the best course of action is to make up your own plausible reason why she's allowed to go to ID and see Ace because I don't think Oda's going to give us one.
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There's a thread that was just created detailing different bits of evidence that Oda's over-worked or just a little sloppy recently. My guess is this little weak bit of the story is just a by product of what ever reason is plauging his drawing skills. Since it's such a small error and could easily be fixed with a few words by either Momonga or Boa, the best course of action is to make up your own plausible reason why she's allowed to go to ID and see Ace because I don't think Oda's going to give us one.
Well one reason could be that boa will only choose to fight against whitebeard when she finds out what really happened with ace and as they need the shikibukai they are trying to please here as much as possible.
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And Boa's reason was to see Ace? May I now officially call it a lame story point brennen?
You have always been free to do whatever you want. You do not need to patronize me for asking you to wait. Urr, I mean, "hahaha, yes you may". I don't see the big deal in the issue though. We discussed it well enough prior to this, so I won't delve into it too deeply. I will just say this:
Hancock needs to go to Impel Down for Luffy. What other reason could she ask? Asking to see Ace is a simple enough request coming from Hancock (given the situation) without sounding too suspicious. Remember her words to Momonga when he met her? "And I want all of your cargo and treasure." I doubt the WG missed the part where Hancock was a spoiled brat, so a beautiful spoiled woman demanding to see a pretty boy in a cage isn't that strange. On the other hand, Momonga has made it clear this would never have flown had the need not been so great to have her join in on the battle. They say no to her, she doesn't come. At the least they are bringing her in as a criminal. So what more could they have done? What could Hancock have asked differently? She's going in with no weapons and no power as far as they can tell, with an escort, in chains. I think the WG's actions are fitting. I think Hancock is also fitting her persona; the request and all.
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well here is my take on the seeing Ace.
Hancock reasons: (what they believe her reasons are)
1. Wants to see reason why she fighting whitebeard.
2. Make sure the WG not lying to her and they truly have Ace.
3. Spoiler brat as said above, just wants to see for no reason.
4. A bitch, wants to mock Ace.Momongo reasons for letting her see him:
1. Anything to get her to come along.
2. They do have 33 hours and only takes what an hour to reach marineford.
3. Kaioroseki and strip search before entering
4. Who knows maybe check up on Jimbei while there, if he still there.
5. Could have gotten orders (that we haven't heard yet, but he did) that state Hancock be part of the security for Ace on his travel over. Who knows Sengoku could have thought "hmm while your there why not do this" especially with WB in the missing.I don't I guess if you put in all those or any of those it can at least make some sense that it is allowed. But I believe the main thing is that Momongo is doing anything he can to get her to come along, and sees this as the only way. I mean if you came to a pick up a super strong pirate bitch and she refused and you couldn't take her by force. (don't know this yet)
What would you do if your orders where to take her no matter what. And she says she will go if and only if you show her this Ace person.
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What good would there be in taking her by force? You would likely just get yourself injured or killed attempting to take someone who probably won't even fight because you forced them to come in the first place. All that would do is leave the area she was supposed to guard unguarded. Unless they had Doflamingo control her…......
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My only valid argument why the marines let Hancock in Impel Down is that they want to show the real Ace to hancock. From their position they must think "hey maybe that she thinks that if she sees him she will join the war. She must think that we want to fool her but if we show them ace she won't have any doubts anymore and will help us in this war". So what i deduce from that speculation is that the marines are desperate to use every ressource they have to take down Whitebeard. According to hogbacks words the marines are trying to end the pirate age….
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Like I said before Greg,
Momonga might be lying about getting permission for Boa to enter Impel Down. And obviously, Sengoku is too preoccupied with Whitebeard to even know. I doubt that old marine lady knows either. She is too busy babysitting the other shichibukai's.And obviously, Momonga is desperate to get her to come with him in order for him to COMPLETE his orders.
If you are him, and out of the blues the person you are ordered to escort back to HQ gave one condition.
Would you
1. Ignore it and continue to gave the ultimatum?
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2. Grab that opportunity as soon as that person finished reading out the condition?Reasons that Momonga might be compelled to do a "I will held my own self responsible for anything that happens in Impel Down after I bring Boa there." thinking
1. Whitebeard is knocking on the Marine's doorstep. It's SERIOUS SHIT going on.
2. He knows the consequences of if he failed to bring Boa back with him. It could spell the end of the Marines (probably yes, or probably not we might not know yet).
3. He knows the odds against going with one of the Yonkou with the possibility of Shanks joining in the Royal Rumble.
4. What has he got to lose? A court martial to him is chicken feed, compared what Whitebeard might do just to free Ace.
5. Sengoku is not thinking straight. He isn't even bothered that the Tennriyobuto(or whatever those obnoxious assholes titles are called) are angry at him and the marines.
6. No one in Marine HQ is in the right frame of mind now. It's SITUATION Critical. Whitebeard could appear anytime or anywhere, since no one knows where Whitebeard is now.
7. Sengoku has deduce that Impel Down would be the possible battlefield. So, if she wants to go there, WHY NOT let her go? It is killing two birds with one stone.I wonder if you (Greg) or any others of you who thinks this is lame storyline knows what is SITUATION CRITICAL or RED ALERT or DEFCON 1? By far, if every marines are converging at Marineford/MarineHQ, said something about how SERIOUS the situation is. Tell me this isn't serious enough to warrant some decisions that is out of the normal.
Tell me, if you are Sengoku, will you NOT give permission for a request that the consequences of it will pale in comparison to the situation at hand that makes the request too insignificant. So, why not?
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But moria has more of a hax power so he'd be tricky to deal with if yuo don't know what you're doing.
Yeah, but for a Logia type like Crocodile, I still think it would end heavily in his favor :P
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Exactly who caught Jinbei? I know nobody can answer but it just kinda hit me pretty hard as this guy to is in ID and his introduction is pending. I guess he's not like yonkou level cuz imo it'd take a lot to subdue him let alone capture or I dare say defeat him.
Trickery? sorcery? sedatives? Dude looks like a hulking fishman. him going wild must've damaged the support the marines would have at their disposal. It's clear he's not their willingly.
Ehh maybe fishman have some weakness we don't know about or maybe Jinbei committed the cardinal sin and ate a DF and then got hit with all types of sea stone nets, harpoons and what not to stop him…........
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Like I said before Greg,
Reasons that Momonga might be compelled to do a "I will held my own self responsible for anything that happens in Impel Down after I bring Boa there." thinking
1. Whitebeard is knocking on the Marine's doorstep. It's SERIOUS SHIT going on.
2. He knows the consequences of if he failed to bring Boa back with him. It could spell the end of the Marines (probably yes, or probably not we might not know yet).
3. He knows the odds against going with one of the Yonkou with the possibility of Shanks joining in the Royal Rumble.
4. What has he got to lose? A court martial to him is chicken feed, compared what Whitebeard might do just to free Ace.
5. Sengoku is not thinking straight. He isn't even bothered that the Tennriyobuto(or whatever those obnoxious assholes titles are called) are angry at him and the marines.
6. No one in Marine HQ is in the right frame of mind now. It's SITUATION Critical. Whitebeard could appear anytime or anywhere, since no one knows where Whitebeard is now.
7. Sengoku has deduce that Impel Down would be the possible battlefield. So, if she wants to go there, WHY NOT let her go? It is killing two birds with one stone.If that are the reasons behind momongas decision then i must question the ability of the marines to make a war. And then i have in regards of what you say to deduce that sengoku is an idiot. Why?
Cause the situation now is: they're doing reckless things to gather as many fighting power as possible. That means they're shitting their pants right now. They must have known how much trouble the shishis are and if they're allowing one of them to go to ID (and if they can't think straight anymore) then their strategy in this war were wrong. Sengoku must have known what he has done with announcing Aces death. How come they don't know where Whitebeard is?
Why don't they use many vice admirals to blackmail WB? It seemed to me that they where using fodder marines to do this job. Now they don't even know where WB will attack first. To me it's a failure of sengoku. He failed to elaborate a proper strategy to fight WB (one of the 4 yonkous). And if one yonkou is scaring them so much what will happen if 2 yonkous attack the marines? We haven't seen sengoku fighting. His jump till yet was to plan things. And if he is doing it every day why did he failed to assign the blackmail job to the right marines? I mean in a war you have many strategies. If one fail you switch to the other. Knowing when the opponent will strike is very important.
To resume this the fact that they are shitting their pants and that they're so desperate for a shishi to join them in this war and that they're accepting to do such reckless things like allowing one of them to enter ID are signs to me that sengokus strategy wasn't the best if you're keeping in mind that they want to end the pirate age with this war….
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@Zik:
Exactly who caught Jinbei? I know nobody can answer but it just kinda hit me pretty hard as this guy to is in ID and his introduction is pending. I guess he's not like yonkou level cuz imo it'd take a lot to subdue him let alone capture or I dare say defeat him.
Trickery? sorcery? sedatives? Dude looks like a hulking fishman. him going wild must've damaged the support the marines would have at their disposal. It's clear he's not their willingly.
Ehh maybe fishman have some weakness we don't know about or maybe Jinbei committed the cardinal sin and ate a DF and then got hit with all types of sea stone nets, harpoons and what not to stop him…........
Maybe he went in willingly