Photos can be art.
Novels can be art.
I don't see why a combination of the two cannot be considered literature.
Photos can be art.
Novels can be art.
I don't see why a combination of the two cannot be considered literature.
Seems like this is just an argument about semantics. Kind of silly.
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True. This is merely about what some mean by literature is different from some others.
There has been countless debates among professional critics with more criteria than all of us combined about whether Stephen King's works are literature.
! > Some in the literary community expressed disapproval of the award: Richard Snyder, the former CEO of Simon & Schuster, described King's work as "non-literature", and critic Harold Bloom denounced the choice:
The decision to give the National Book Foundation's annual award for "distinguished contribution" to Stephen King is extraordinary, another low in the shocking process of dumbing down our cultural life. I've described King in the past as a writer of penny dreadfuls, but perhaps even that is too kind. He shares nothing with Edgar Allan Poe. What he is is an immensely inadequate writer on a sentence-by-sentence, paragraph-by-paragraph, book-by-book basis.[56]
However, others came to King's defense, such as writer Orson Scott Card, who responded:
Let me assure you that King's work most definitely is literature, because it was written to be published and is read with admiration. What Snyder really means is that it is not the literature preferred by the academic-literary elite."[57]
In Roger Ebert's review of the 2004 movie Secret Window, he stated, "A lot of people were outraged that [King] was honored at the National Book Awards, as if a popular writer could not be taken seriously. But after finding that his book On Writing had more useful and observant things to say about the craft than any book since Strunk and White's The Elements of Style, I have gotten over my own snobbery."[58]
Semantic-wise, I think I should have employed literary fiction which might be a less confusing word and doesn't change what I think about classics like Nausicaa anyway.
Either way, I don't really care. As long as people don't call Harry Potter a classic example of literature, I have no problem with them.
Harry Potter is to me pulp fiction for teenagers with mediocre story-telling. I liked it (the first 4 books) for what it is and I love reading pulp as much as serious literature.
In the end what matters is whether what you write worth reading. Every man with a bellyful of the classics is an enemy to the human race.[/hide]
Harry Potter is literature. It inspired millions of children to start reading and revolutionized an interest in fantasy literature which hadn't been seen since the days of Tolkien. By YOUR definition, it's literature as it is enduring content that has had a huge effect on society and culture in general. Being aimed for children and teenagers doesn't change that fact. Just because it's not some super complex break down of a post-war society or a psychological analysis of man or some other extravagant plot theme that pretentious people like to lap up doesn't invalidate it. There's beauty and grace in the less complex stories that appeal to the inner-child in all of us.
Quit mixing up the terms literature with masterpiece and quit snubbing anything you don't like by incorrectly using the term pulp (which refers to cheap, trashy material that you buy at a nickel store) in a poor attempt to try and incorrectly distinguish anything you do like as literature and quit citing wiki-fucking-pedia as a credible source.
I agree completely with Thousand Lion-chan. Art should be measured by the response it can get from people, not by having some deep philosophical theme buried so deeply you'd have to spend ages analyzing it to even understand it. There is beauty in simplicity, and I'd argue that something that can captivate and inspire millions is more a piece of art than something that requires so much time and energy to really understand that only a small few can even appreciate it. I think the problem with many of the elitists is that they're too stuck in their ways and close minded to really even try to appreciate things that don't fall into a narrow category of what they want. Sea said some people say certain genres can't be considered literature and I find that as one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. I get the same feeling about people who say video games can't be art. I don't think all video games are art, but I think there are brilliant examples of video games that are definitely art (Ocarina of time springs to mind immediately) and the fact that the most famous game designer started out as an artist and not a programmer or anything like that speaks volumes about stuff like that.
@Thousand:
Harry Potter is literature. It inspired millions of children to start reading and revolutionized an interest in fantasy literature which hadn't been seen since the days of Tolkien. By YOUR definition, it's literature as it is enduring content that has had a huge effect on society and culture in general. Being aimed for children and teenagers doesn't change that fact. Just because it's not some super complex break down of a post-war society or a psychological analysis of man or some other extravagant plot theme that pretentious people like to lap up doesn't invalidate it. There's beauty and grace in the less complex stories that appeal to the inner-child in all of us.
Quit mixing up the terms literature with masterpiece and quit snubbing anything you don't like by incorrectly using the term pulp (which refers to cheap, trashy material that you buy at a nickel store) in a poor attempt to try and incorrectly distinguish anything you do like as literature and quit citing wiki-fucking-pedia as a credible source.
This post is beautiful. Thumbs up
Alright what did this discussion start with again? It started with Robby telling me that it doesn't matter if a work is perfectly written and perfectly made with an extremely deep message that challenges norms, what really matters is the work that you personally enjoy and identify with the most. After all at their heart, comics, movies, tv shows, video games and even books are supposed to be escapist fare.
We can basically divide fiction into two categories, relevant to this discussion.
A. Escapist fiction. Actual quality isn't particularly important what matters is that it speaks to you and you can go to it again and again and always enjoy it.
B. Challenging fiction. A work of fiction that is painful, complex, and challenging compared to our core beliefs and can be considered true art. Often times it's more complicated than that, but I think what I said is a pretty fair assessment. There aren't nearly as many of these as type A, which is a good or bad thing depending on who you talk to.
This goes back to the chapter that sparked this discussion where Mashiro said that his favorite type A series was Tomorrow's Joe the work that spoke to him the most, and his type B series was Barefoot Gen as far as a work that was really well made and complex because it dealt with a real world issue. It's also worth mentioning that Steven Spielberg has said that his favorite movie that he ever made was E.T. even though pretty much any professional critic will tell you his best movie is Schindler's List. Considering what we've been discussing it's not surprising that he went with the movie that he could most identify with and that makes him feel most like a child again, rather than the extremely depressing, if extremely well made film that is Schindler's List.
I think that at it's heart the point of this discussion was that regardless of how "challenging" a work is most people would take the work that they can identify with and use as escapism. I think what Niizuma really should aim to make is a manga that will match or surpass Dragon Ball, One Piece, X-Men, Spider-Man, Harry Potter, Star Wars whatever in terms of international success and how many people are able to identify with it and call it their favorite work of fiction. It doesn't matter if One Piece isn't as good as Nausicaa or Harry Potter isn't as good as a Charles Dickens novel or Star Wars isn't as good as the Godfather far, far more people identify with these works of "pulp" as opposed to these extremely well made, but generally not very enjoyable masterpieces. People like what they like and you can't really change that, and there's nothing wrong with just enjoying fiction for escapism.
Of course it is good to appreciate the classic/definitive works of a medium and to appreciate that your favorite work probably isn't on par with them.
Edit: I hope we can kind of move out of this discussion. I think we've kind of said everything that needs to be covered, we're kind of going in circles now. So let's put this to rest. I just felt that I needed to bring up one more point.
^^^^Kareem "Well" Said, Rookie Of The Year.
I completely agree that we can recognize works as either escapist, or challenging. Both can be well-written (using literary features, strong characterization, moving imagery) and both can be popular in their circles (Kafka is just as popular among the "elites" as Harry Potter is among the "commoners") and both can leave a profound (but certainly different) impact on the reader.
That said, there can be failures in both categories. I would regard Frank McCourt's Angela's Ashes as a pretty poor choice if you want to challenge your mind, just as Eragon is a poor choice for escapist fantasy. So you cannot say that one side is inherently "better" than the other.
In the end, it comes down to what you want. If you want a fun book that makes you feel a sense of wonder about the world, then read something escapist. If you want to open your mind, broaden your horizons, and really take the time to deal with life's greatest issues, then read something challenging.
Well, the one time I decide to venture back into the Bakuman section was well worth it.
Damn the last two pages go great with this coffee.
And Thousand Lion said some cool shit too!
You guys might've just inspired me to pick this series back up!
Challenging, contemplative works are good.
It's when they get hoity toity that they start to suck.
Even Nausicaa makes this mistake, and an amateur one at that. The only two problems I ever had with that series was 1. The slow pacing (minor, just felt like a dragged a bit a few times) and 2. The main character (major, mostly covered in the series' thread.)
Not only was she a messiah character that was barely justified by being more than just talk, but at times she became such a loud mouthpiece for the author's view on nature and humanity that more than once I mentally shouted 'Shut up Miyazaki!'
If I'd made that mistake an editor would've ripped me apart, so it's all the more weird that his didn't tell him to rewrite those parts.
A great example of how to do it right is one I read recently in George R. R. Martin's 'A Dance with Dragons':
Possible spoilers for those waiting on the series
[hide]Martin's contempt and loathing for the irresponsible elite is palpable in the scene where Davos is imploring Manderly to open his harbor while being surrounded by people who want him dead, and not once did it feel like Martin went into someone's skin and started some angry, compassionate speech about how icky everyone was for not sharing his views.[/hide]
On topic: I guess the new chapter isn't out yet.
Also off topic: I like you avatar, Cuddles, he's my favorite in the series as well.
On topic: I guess the new chapter isn't out yet.
Also off topic: I like you avatar, Cuddles, he's my favorite in the series as well.
It's out:
http://reader.ieatsoul.com/en/read/bakuman/578/140/1/
We're just fighting over what would constitute the greatest manga ever, which then branched off into bashing/defending Harry Potter.
I still say Eiji drew the Joker on the globe.
The idea of escapist versus challenging comics is interesting. I've been under the belief for awhile that the greatest stories would have to be simplistic in base, but challenging in subtext. To create a story that can be both simple and challenging, and present it in a way that could interest both sorts of audiences. Casual readers could follow the basic story for what it is, but if they were curious to learn more about what the story is about, the material is there for them to learn from. My best example for this would be Lord of the Flies, how you can read the story without knowing about all of the symbolism Golding has behind it, but once you realize an entirely new book appears before you. To do something like that with a story like One Piece or Dragonball or something would be pretty amazing, having a battle heavy manga with heavy symbolism behind it if you're willing to look. It would be fun for more easygoing readers and amazing for the ones who appreciate the opportunity to learn from a story. That's the most amazing kind of story to me, a story that can both captivate a wide demographic and teach something worthwhile at the same time.
I realize why no one else was talking about Bakuman. This chapter was pretty boring, mainly since it featured the most boring characters and seemed like such a stereotypical drama episode.
It also doesn't help that it followed one of Bakuman's greatest chapters.
I think if it's truly a great work it isn't just deep on a political or philosophical but simple and unique in it's approach in that it can be applicable in countless real world situations. A series with multiple arcs can pull that off.
Doubt Eiji does despite all of the author name dropping the characters will do while discussing it.
@Refii:
I'm glad you posted this, because I never knew that about Moore, I'm not a fan of the "if it's dark it's AWESOME" fandom either
(one of the reasons I was unsatisfied with Dark Knight's story, Bale's acting and other factors although completely satisfied by Ledger's performance).
You just hit a sweet spot. Bale is a very good actor and Nolan continues to misuse him or just okays scripts that gives no range for Bale to act as Bruce Wayne or Batman. The only slight I've had on TDK. They just continue with that dumbass deep voice rich actually ruins scenes (word to when he's holding Joker upside down from the building).
@Thousand:
It inspired millions of children to start reading and revolutionized an interest in fantasy literature which hadn't been seen since the days of Tolkien.
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Naruto inspired many American children to start reading manga.
By YOUR definition, it's literature as it is enduring content that has had a huge effect on society and culture in general.
I only quoted dictionary.com. How about another dictionary?
! @merriam-webster:
! > a (1) : writings in prose or verse; especially : writings having excellence of form or expression and expressing ideas of permanent or universal interest (2)
I said I wouldn't argue about whether HP is literature. In the broadest sense, yes it is. In the literary fiction sense? Think for yourself and come to your own conclusion. For me I would only like to remind you that Rowling's wordsmithing is very bland, her sentence structures bear no art, no subtlety, few opening implicature and space for interpretation. I concede that she had good world-building and characterization (until a certain point) but she just tells it. And her story-telling is mediocre. And the artistic merit of the story itself? It's subjective but to me HP does not have much.
While I found those works below very literary. I think you can see why:
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This one read from left to right.
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Being aimed for children and teenagers doesn't change that fact.
There are a whole genre for children's literature.
Such as Miyazaki's Shuna no Tabi.
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Just because it's not some super complex break down of a post-war society or a psychological analysis of man or some other extravagant plot theme that pretentious people like to lap up doesn't invalidate it. There's beauty and grace in the less complex stories that appeal to the inner-child in all of us.
Shuna no tabi fits this description as children's literature. The story is very simple. Yet it is far more literary than HP.
Quit mixing up the terms literature with masterpiece
Never did I do such a thing, lad. I never claim Shuna no Tabi is a masterpiece. There are many mediocre piece of literature out there. But mind that literature is also an art of word.
and quit snubbing anything you don't like by incorrectly using the term pulp (which refers to cheap, trashy material that you buy at a nickel store)
Even Greg, the biggest One Piece fan I know, described One Piece as pulp comic. Harry Potter is about as pulp as One Piece. Indiana Jones is also pulp. What do you have against pulp?
If I must describe it I would just say pulps are just popular, sensationalized writings that don't take themselves very seriously.in a poor attempt to try and incorrectly distinguish anything you do like as literature
Angel Heart is no literature/literary fiction in my book.
Quality pulp is fun to read.and quit citing wiki-fucking-pedia as a credible source.
To dismiss anything posted in wikipedia instantly without using your brain (checking sources cited, using google ) requires as much stupidity as instantly trusting it.
I only cited the parts I found accurate. However, if you find that inconvenient, I apologize.[/hide]
Again, I mean no hostility to anyone who loves Harry Potter.
@Zik:
You just hit a sweet spot. Bale is a very good actor and Nolan continues to misuse him or just okays scripts that gives no range for Bale to act as Bruce Wayne or Batman. The only slight I've had on TDK. They just continue with that dumbass deep voice rich actually ruins scenes (word to when he's holding Joker upside down from the building).
! I never said Bale was a bad actor, I thought he deserved the Oscar for The Fighter, his performance in Dark Knight was sub-par, the story (and the cell phone network gimmick, go to college humor to see why it is retarded) however I felt that Ledger's performance was excellent and the movie would be perfect if it was called the Clown Prince, instead of the Dark Knight, however he was not the protagonist, he was supposed to be the villain, a secondary character.
! Anyway, I don't want to get into a debate about Batman in a Bakuman topic, accept that I'll never accept Dark Knight as a good movie, just because one actor (character) was memorable. I'm the type of person that places story above characters (in this case character).
! I never said Bale was a bad actor, I thought he deserved the Oscar for The Fighter, his performance in Dark Knight was sub-par, the story (and the cell phone network gimmick, go to college humor to see why it is retarded) however I felt that Ledger's performance was excellent and the movie would be perfect if it was called the Clown Prince, instead of the Dark Knight, however he was not the protagonist, he was supposed to be the villain, a secondary character.
! Anyway, I don't want to get into a debate about Batman in a Bakuman topic, accept that I'll never accept Dark Knight as a good movie, just because one actor (character) was memorable. I'm the type of person that places story above characters (in this case character).
! I wasn't saying you said Bale was a bad actor. I was agreeing that the portrayal of Batman has been shit and Bale imo hasn't been noteworthy to the point anyone could've done what he's done in the series so far. I just added that Bale is a very good actor and is being used by Nolan and the writers.
! I too agree that Ledger is the main reason TDK was so good. Every scene he was in made it better and yes, The Clown Prince is a much more apt title. I'd probably also say in some ways Batman Begins was better than TDK.
I like Kaya's shirt. If I were entering the Iwase territory, I'll wear one with the same text too.
I like Iwase X Eiji better.
Totally agree on the two of them!! Btw…. Will Eiji eventually marry/date someone, or will he be a constant lone wolf? How is he else going to discover things about love and such? After all, just the way his editor told him to go travelling to gather inspiration, the same could be told on sentimental relationship. Or not?
Although I want sleeping dogs to continue lying, I'd like to point out you wanted this under the justification that it's okay for a woman to attempt to break up a marriage just because she wants him more.
That'd make quite an interesting debate! But we're already drifting enough, indeed!
sips tea
I don't think Photography is art. I don't think JRPGs are RPGs. I predict an incredibly subjective debate.
Don't agree on the first and third sentece either! Hopefully, there won't be another long debate, just a short skirmish. But totally agree on sipping tea. I'll go make some now (regardless of the bloody heat).
I sort of liked the chapter… although I am eager to see some real development for Nakai! And, of course, some Ashirogi Muto real progress toward an anime.
Cool stuff, I wasnt aware of the ignore function! :-o
Well would you fucking look at that!!
Someone actually wants to talk about Bakuman in the Bakuman thread!!
Kudos to you Cubo!!!
Keep up the good work!
Totally agree on the two of them!! Btw…. Will Eiji eventually marry/date someone, or will he be a constant lone wolf? How is he else going to discover things about love and such? After all, just the way his editor told him to go travelling to gather inspiration, the same could be told on sentimental relationship. Or not?
Well, he's a romantic at heart but does not know a thing about romance(all the reason he failed in the Valentines thing, despite sporting the idea). It's perfect chemistry with Iwase.
Kudos to you Cubo!!!
Ahahah thanks Gekko, although I had to look up Kudos on a proper reference like urbandictionary… (kind of a downer, since I'm moving to the US next month -.-'' )
Oh, and the name of the image you posted was hilarious - although maybe you just googled "thumbs up" and didn't notice, but it was "handsome-young-man-with-thumbs-up-isolated-on-white-background"
Well, he's a romantic at heart but does not know a thing about romance(all the reason he failed in the Valentines thing, despite sporting the idea). It's perfect chemistry with Iwase.
Actually, I do agree on the match. But… could you possibly imagine Eiji making love with (or even courting) somebody? And, in addition, this somebody being Iwase??
If I imagine the scene, that'd be like
"wooooo Iwase, so I am allowed to kiss you?!
[["crow" sound fx - Eiji flapping wings and making a cool stance - staring at Iwase's eyes and pointing at her]]
"I'm gonna give you the best mangaka's kiss ever given"
Iwase blushing, looking away, and answering
"go on already, you damn moron"
Gosh, that is SO hilarious!
Btw, Eiji's drawing on the globe was more Spongebob-like, to be honest, not really clownish.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, back to working on the thesis now… -.-''
Oh, and the name of the image you posted was hilarious - although maybe you just googled "thumbs up" and didn't notice, but it was "handsome-young-man-with-thumbs-up-isolated-on-white-background"
HAHA! I was hoping someone would notice. Good work Cubo!
It was googled and I was laughing my ass off when I copied the address.
Actually, I do agree on the match. But… could you possibly imagine Eiji making love with (or even courting) somebody? And, in addition, this somebody being Iwase??
If I imagine the scene, that'd be like
"wooooo Iwase, so I am allowed to kiss you?!
[["crow" sound fx - Eiji flapping wings and making a cool stance - staring at Iwase's eyes and pointing at her]]
"I'm gonna give you the best mangaka's kiss ever given"
Iwase blushing, looking away, and answering
"go on already, you damn moron"Gosh, that is SO hilarious!
Btw, Eiji's drawing on the globe was more Spongebob-like, to be honest, not really clownish.Thanks for sharing your thoughts, back to working on the thesis now… -.-''
Your idea… is quite... vivid. It's a bit hard to imagine without laughing. I more imagine it like one of these crack things that happens when a series like this has an ending with a time jump.
btw: You been on this site since 2006, but I never seen you around before. Your company is fun nonetheless tho.
I realize why no one else was talking about Bakuman. This chapter was pretty boring, mainly since it featured the most boring characters and seemed like such a stereotypical drama episode.
It also doesn't help that it followed one of Bakuman's greatest chapters.
It was actually a really good chapter… it just happened to focus on one of the less liked characters, and sparked an interesting discussion with its first two pages.
@RobbyBevard:
It was actually a really good chapter… it just happened to focus on one of the less liked characters, and sparked an interesting discussion with its first two pages.
True, the first two pages, which play off the greatness of the last chapter, are indeed interesting. The rest though…I can't call it a good chapter.
Totally agree on the two of them!! Btw…. Will Eiji eventually marry/date someone, or will he be a constant lone wolf? How is he else going to discover things about love and such? After all, just the way his editor told him to go travelling to gather inspiration, the same could be told on sentimental relationship. Or not?
That'd make quite an interesting debate! But we're already drifting enough, indeed!
Don't agree on the first and third sentece either! Hopefully, there won't be another long debate, just a short skirmish. But totally agree on sipping tea. I'll go make some now (regardless of the bloody heat).
I sort of liked the chapter... although I am eager to see some real development for Nakai! And, of course, some Ashirogi Muto real progress toward an anime.
Cool stuff, I wasnt aware of the ignore function! :-o
Discussing Bakuman?! I didn't know that was the purpose of this thread!! Well I am indeed sorry!
But seriously I didn't intend for things to get out of hands the way they did, from this point on any posters who post something in this thread not relevant to Bakuman shall be flogged 50 times with a wet noodle. You don't want that now do you?
@Kareem:
…from this point on any posters who post something in this thread not relevant to Bakuman shall be flogged 50 times with a wet noodle. You don't want that now do you?
And getting away like that?? Way too easy!
I'd rather have him/her have to learn by heart the whole script of dog-boy arc, what about that one? ^^'
And getting away like that?? Way too easy!
I'd rather have him/her have to learn by heart the whole script of dog-boy arc, what about that one? ^^'
I like the way you think cubo. It's great to have you on this thread. ^-^
Totally agree on the two of them!! Btw…. Will Eiji eventually marry/date someone, or will he be a constant lone wolf? How is he else going to discover things about love and such? After all, just the way his editor told him to go travelling to gather inspiration, the same could be told on sentimental relationship. Or not?
Eiji is married to his work.
This chapter seemed like a necessary one, but not necessarily a good one.
Anybody else hate Miura more and more with each appearance?
Anybody else hate Miura more and more with each appearance?
Not me. I was never particularly bothered by him, I guess I can see why people didn't like him because he was holding Ashirogi Muto back but I never really minded him that much. Of course that's just me.
Anybody else hate Miura more and more with each appearance?
He gets a little bit on my nerves every now and then, but this time I kept hoping someone would slap some tact and mood-reading skills into his thick head. How can you insult someone's writing that bluntly while gushing about the greatness of her colleagues and then wonder whatever could have upset her so?
Miura is the same guy that insisted our leads do a wacky gag manga when their strength was obviously…not that. And they were both having excessive amounts of trouble with it.
I like him. Still like him. No problems here. He's certainly more jolly compared to the other editors.
I don't hate Miura. He's the rookie; the guy who tries his best and has the best intentions (which usually fall flat). All the editors have their personalities, with Hiramaru's editor being the master manipulator, Fukuda's editor being the easy-going enthusiast, Hattori being the guy with experience who's generally the straight man, and that other editor with glasses (can't remember who he edits for) being the serious guy.
It's true that all the editors have personalities; I can respect that. But Miura's personality is to be a bumbling fool, and I can't respect that. Also, he doesn't seem to be on any kind of track to improve.
I get that he's young and too enthusiastic at times, but when you behave like this…
Miura: Hey Iwase, me and Niizuma think your manuscipts suck! Try sucking a bit less, okay? Now let me tell you how much more awesome Niizuma and pals are blah blah blah okay done, I suppose I can take a look at the series we're supposed to be working on now.
Iwase: Fine, I'll do it myself! storms off
Miura: Gosh, what did I say?
...you'd think you would need to have a bit more in the way of people skills when you're working with people. At least he seems to have understood by the end of the chapter, but that first half was kind of cringe-worthy.
Although he's proven he's dedicated and can work hard Miura is not a good editor.
That lawyer manga did good strictly because of the mangaka, nothing to do with Miura at all. I mean at least when the leads were doing bad he kept pushing them to do more gags but once he has one successful mangaka under him he treats Iwase like shit thinking he can't do nothing to help as if Eiji is enough.
Miura is pretty irritating, sure. Could we use an arc about him?
Well, it's not like Iwase respects his position enough to bother taking advice(Hattori completely bailed on her afterall). Maybe after all this time, attempting to get through her pride was a bit of chore. I see the whole thing like "Well, you know what you should be doing right? Get to it." The author-editor relationship is a bit of a mess but consistant with what the characters are supposed to be(unlike other characters that suddenly offscreen make a change for the better like magic). Until there's an subplot arc with them working together to improve, I don't expect things to change. Sadly I think the character exposures is based off how high they rank in popularity polls.
I agree that Iwase doesn't exactly make her editors' job easy for them. (To say the least! She's certainly had her share of cringe-worthy moments.) She obviously has problems with her self-esteem despite trying to present herself as full of win and pride, and I was annoyed when Miura was too busy talking at her to read the change in her mood, especially since he's had problems with that sort of thing before. I wish he could get some character development for that.
Miura always gets on my nerves, to a point where I consider him the Nakai of the editors.
I disagree with some of you, I actually found the chapter very nice and it entertained me more and made me happier than a good amount of the last ones (of course, not counting the one with the ending of Crow, which was absolutely incredible). At this time I could actually care about the character trouble, when I couldn't do with Ashirogi's and other's feelings, I just was wanting Crow to end when Nizuma wanted and be done.
As for Iwase's situation… she really should go back to writing novels, it's her thing, it's what she likes, why keep trying on something you don't even enjoy? (discount Hiramaru on this, he has motivation, he wants to be called Kazu-tan) She just writes it to compete with Takagi... it's really pointless, in the end. :|
Hattori was the guy to dominate her dominating personality, tell her what to do, see it succeed and then she'd be more open to working with an editor she looked up to or at least found competent.
As far as I see it, Nanamine's editor (forgot his name) is better than Miura. If Iwase changes editors I'd like for it to be noted how average he is.
lol at miura daydreaming about becoming editor in chief
Did the chapter just come out? Because I was wondering why there was no discussion yet.
Did the chapter just come out? Because I was wondering why there was no discussion yet.
It is actually, didn't even realise. Off to read then.
Is it okay if I don't say my age?
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LOL!!
Poor Hattori.