I think there's a name for that what was it oh yeah shit.
Well it's not like Oda gives a fuck about what you think tho…......
The next new Nakama? Part 2
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That doesn't change the fact if Oda sudennly said "SCREW ALL I'M INSERTING THESE MAJOR PLOTHOLES" it would fail hard. Why do you try to argue against the facts?
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How would it be a plot hole if Oda changed his formula a bit?
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i.e Devil fruit users could suddenly swim. yes that would be a plothole.
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That would be a plot hole, yes, but not something like an alteration in his usual storytelling methods. I got them impression that you viewed something like that a plot hole, so I'm sorry if I misunderstood your statement.
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This was what Zik originally quoted:
@Xai:
. Even though it is Oda's universe, he has to adhere to the rules/characteristics of his own world.
I got the impression they were talking about direct plotholes.
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This was what Zik originally quoted:
I got the impression they were talking about direct plotholes.
Nah we weren't talking about plot holes but I was specifically talking about the formula or qualifications for somebody joining the crew.
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Oh I see ravagers mistake.
What did you actaully want me to say it was MY fault?
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^what mistake, what did i just said?
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@Zik:
No he doesn't since he is the one that makes the rules he can easily break them or make them disappear altogether by just ignoring them.
Well, nobody's gonna shoot him if he does. But then One Piece would lose its credibility as far as consistency is considered. So far, imo, One Piece plot, events etc have been impeccable. No event contradicts another, as far as I can recall or notice. Unlike, say DBZ - one of the many many loopholes being the Super Saiyajins themselves. But thats a different debate for a different time.
Now, while Oda has not set any hard and fast rule for recruitment into the crew, one thing remains given - any new crew-member has to be invited by Luffy. And, Luffy would invite pretty much anyone he finds interesting and/or considers a friend.
So far Luffy has invited people under a variety of situations:
1. An infamous "Pirate Hunter".
2. A thief, whose momentary betrayal did not faze Luffy one bit.
3. A mob-boss, who he almost hated at one point.
4. A talking skeleton, whom he invites without even bothering to introduce each other.
5. A midget in a boxThere is simply no rule, but one - Luffy has to find the said person interesting.
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And as of now, Luffy does not find Margaret interesting.
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He's interested in her well-being!!
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There is simply no rule, but one - Luffy has to find the said person interesting.
This is true and not so much at the same time. He did not find Usopp interesting per say, he invited him almost as a given since they are connected from their pasts. Although he was a stranger for the most part they had a bond.
Similar to Zoro Luffy was dead set on making Snaji apart of his crew. I wouldn't say he was interested in Zoro and Sanji but wanted them in his crew for the type of men they are.
Also it depends when he meets and then asks them. Zoro and Sanji almost immediately, Brook extremely quick compared to Usopp, Chopper, Franky who were asked or told at the end of their respective arcs, Nami tagged along until the Arlong arc made it official. Robin's was the most lax, and Luffy okay'd it cuz he knew she was a good person deep down.
Now when you look at Marge he didn't find her really interesting and asked her on the spot since he had a more important matter on his mind. He doesn't seem obsessed with asking her over and over(although that could change), so the only thing left is if he does it at the end of the arc. Now at the end of the arc depends on which one it could be, this Amazon Lily thing or could stretch back to SA and at the end of that arc.
For all we know if Hancock and crew along with Marge and the other two tag along to SA. Marge could be floating around until Luffy finds the rest of the crew and gets back to the coated ship(hopefully), and between that time any new conflict could arise to prolong whether or not she joins. We may know within the next few chaps if she goes with Luffy or not just to escort him. If she does go along we don't know exactly when she'll be asked to join if she is going to be asked.
Basically if Marge goes with Hancock to take Luffy back to SA, some event could happen again maybe with the nobles, or maybe with the other SHs and whoever helped them get back, or with the marines, or with fishmen that can make Oda ditch the formula or do it an unorthodox way.
Besides that just because Oda hasn't followed the formula yet for Marge doesn't mean it can't happen in upcoming chaps…
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Having interest in a person is a prerequisite for interest in their well-being. Otherwise he wouldn't give a damn what happened.
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But her as a person, not really!!
you can't exactly say thta. he is simply still preoccupied with the fact his crew was defeated and he lost all his beloved nakama.
anyway, seeing as how luffy pretty much saved marge and the others they will definitely help him out for a while, since they owe him. this can allow luffy to calm down, and take more of his surroundings in. after some incident he may well ask her to join, cause she has a desire to explore the world, and understand men and find more kintama.
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Why do people think Magaret, Aphadeal and Sweetpea owe Luffy? They don't. They saved Luffy, Luffy saved them.
But Magaret for next Straw Hat.
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they "accidentally" saved him, he didsomething a lot more meaningful.
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True. :P But Luffy dosen't really think that. We'll most likely know if Magaret joins or not by accompanying Luffy. (She's not suppose to since she's not apart of Boa's pirates.)
Anyway, I think Magaret's chances are still high, she hasn't found out that Luffy saved her. (The Amazon women still has to tell her.)
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@Vash:
they "accidentally" saved him, he did something a lot more meaningful.
not true, she tried to help him when Boa tried to condemn him and she came to peack good of him, sweetpia and aphelandra just tried to help Marge
@Xai:
Well, nobody's gonna shoot him if he does. But then One Piece would lose its credibility as far as consistency is considered. So far, imo, One Piece plot, events etc have been impeccable. No event contradicts another, as far as I can recall or notice. Unlike, say DBZ - one of the many many loopholes being the Super Saiyajins themselves. But thats a different debate for a different time.
There is simply no rule, but one - Luffy has to find the said person interesting.
first i will say i share your opinion completly, DBZ is one of the best anime/mangas ever but the amounts of the plotholes really make the story less than amazing than OP, saiyayins, humans with tails, whose tails doesnt grow, EVER
the story of OP is splendidly clean, with almost 0 mistakes and non a single plothole so faron the other matter
actually he said, ¨if is a good person i will ask him to join¨ before recruting Zoro and there seem to be certain rules on who he recruits
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Having interest in a person is a prerequisite for interest in their well-being. Otherwise he wouldn't give a damn what happened.
Yeah but if I decide to save your life does that mean I find you interesting in you? I just don't want you dead. Key word: Interesting.
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Right now, Hancock would likely join if she admitted that Luffy gave her the chance to give back at her former master. We don't see him but by the looks of it, it was Rosward (same hairstyle and you can make out beard). Luffy wants to return to the same island Roswald was atright? Hancock is taking him there. Afterwards, she may join to learn how to remove her curse or something, so she can be free of her horrors.
Though at this point in time, even someone like Arlong could join. The lastest chapter was a view twister and if you go back and rewatch the arlong arc, its hard to completely hate them now. Arlong and co were the end products of something harsh. Though their past still doesn't justify their actions. Will we see Arlong an co again? Possibly, Jinbei may get them free just in time for Luffy. I'm half expecting Jinbei to be ordered/asked to stop Luffy from entering the New World.
Back on a though of Camie joining; Camie may have a reasonto join that just occured to me. She is constantly being caught/swallowed by others. Maybe she could join because she wants to learn how to defend herself so others don't have to keep defending her?
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@Vash:
they "accidentally" saved him, he didsomething a lot more meaningful.
No, all he did was ask Boa to free them. Yes that is so hard, I can't believe the meaningfulness of doing nothing.
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If Marge joins, would she have a flashback?
Come on, besides the snake that gets her on everynight, she seems really lame > _ >
Like, 'O hey I'm an average amazon girl (Possibly Lesbian)! That doesn't know what men are! Let's go hunt in the jungle! YAY!' -Survivor by Destiny's Child starts playing-
Just what possible unique history could she have? I mean, the island seems pretty plain and happy. Shes never been off the island and shes never had parents.
The best I can thinkup is, Marge gtes amazed by the world and wants to find her real parents or something > _>. And Hancock makes a cheesy move like, giving Marge as some sort of parting present.
-edit- btw, if she WAS lesbian, then she should definitly join.
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If Marge joins, would she have a flashback?
Come on, besides the snake that gets her on everynight, she seems really lame > _ >
Like, 'O hey I'm an average amazon girl (Possibly Lesbian)! That doesn't know what men are! Let's go hunt in the jungle! YAY!' -Survivor by Destiny's Child starts playing-
Just what possible unique history could she have? I mean, the island seems pretty plain and happy. Shes never been off the island and shes never had parents.
The best I can thinkup is, Marge gtes amazed by the world and wants to find her real parents or something > _>. And Hancock makes a cheesy move like, giving Marge as some sort of parting present.
-edit- btw, if she WAS lesbian, then she should definitly join.
You lose 4 internets for that.
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Actually I found it out of place and a distinct reminder to me the Oda has failed to grace this manga with a beautiful african american female. D:
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@Fiasco.:
Actually I found it out of place and a distinct reminder to me the Oda has failed to grace this manga with a beautiful african american female. D:
Sorry D:
I jsut thuoght every amazon womens gotta be… SURVIVOR!
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No, all he did was ask Boa to free them. Yes that is so hard, I can't believe the meaningfulness of doing nothing.
So I guess you're either ignoring or forgot how he had to fight two snake women who were capable of killing him and tried to break the statues in order to get to him, and would have succeeded in that had he not had an uncontrolled burst of Plot ex Machina.
And then he risked being trapped on the island forever, though he definitely wasn't considering those terms.
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No, all he did was ask Boa to free them.
Hancock said he can only choose one of the two choices, and would have to abandon the other option forever:
- Have them turned back to normal.
- Leave the island.
Edit: Oh. Looks like Crossword said something similar…
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If Marge joins, would she have a flashback?
Let's not forget this. The subject in Water 7 was the same. "PAULIE!!" …"Uh oh, Franky has a flashback, Paulie doesn't. Franky's gonna join." ...And Franky joined.
Hancock isn't going to join, and she's the one with the flashback. Unless this has multiple flashbacks (unlikely. Why would Oda want to distract our goal of "Let's take down the Tenryuubito"? So far, when he makes Luffy angry, Luffy pursues that goal of beating/killing/etc single-mindedly until completion. He's going to take down the Tenryuubito. That's what this is all about. Maybe go to fishman island to learn about Tiger, see how he can do it, but that's his "goal-of-the-day" so to speak. I could reference every arc for backup, but I don't think it's necessary.
I'd love for Margaret to join, as I'd've loved Paulie to join, but it's just not gonna happen. If Oda decides it's absolutely necessary to have an amazon join, it'll be Hancock. But as it stands right now, I don't see that as very likely, either.
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People thought Paulie was going to join? I found him far, far too loyal to Iceberg to leave Galley-La, plus he looked nothing like the ideal shipwright that Luffy drew. And there's only so much you can do with with plain-old rope.
Anyway, I highly doubt that Luffy is going to, at this moment, single mindedly set out with the sole purpose of demolishing one of the Tenryuubito. I'm not saying that he won't take one down eventually, but it's probably going to be something he gets sucked into, not deliberately walks right into.
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right now i can only see Margaret joining SH she is made too good to just left her like that without leting her show what she can realy do… and other reason.
later maybe fishman/marmaid or giant with df shrink shrink no mi (or somethink like that
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right now i can only see Margaret joining SH she is made too good to just left her like that without leting her show what she can realy do… and other reason.
later maybe fishman/marmaid or giant with df shrink shrink no mi (or somethink like that
there was a giant with a shrinking DF on one of OP videogames, dont remember whichone but on it he was the villain, i think
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there was a giant with a shrinking DF on one of OP videogames, dont remember whichone but on it he was the villain, i think
It was this guy.
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I'd love for Margaret to join, as I'd've loved Paulie to join, but it's just not gonna happen. If Oda decides it's absolutely necessary to have an amazon join, it'll be Hancock. But as it stands right now, I don't see that as very likely, either.
What logic do you base this off? D:
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becoz every person joining SH … the person have his or her flash back
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Vivi got a flashback and didn't join.
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Although i'd love to see Hancock join the Strawhats, there's one huge problem. It's her ability. She's turning people into stone, which is like killing them. The Strawhats never kill anyone, not even the worst of their opponents. I can't see Ruffy letting her turning someone into stone :(
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Vivi got a flashback and didn't join.
I think a flasback in black is necessary to join. Of course having one doesn't mean you will. :P. But it has to be in black.
If Hancock leaves with Luffy temporarily, we might see a more indepth memory. Maragret on the other hand, seriously, do the average Joes in the world have anything Oda could use to make them intresting?
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Well, I remember someone suggested something a few weeks ago involving her supposed honest nature. I think it was something like she once told a lie and something really bad happened because of it. Something like that could work, I feel, since not all of the flashbacks we've seen have been as crazy and over-the-top as Franky and Robin's, for instance.
I guess I'll just have to repeat my mantra of ''we'll see how things turn out'', for this week's chapter could very well be the make-it-or-break-it moment for people on both sides of the fence.
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Although i'd love to see Hancock join the Strawhats, there's one huge problem. It's her ability. She's turning people into stone, which is like killing them. The Strawhats never kill anyone, not even the worst of their opponents. I can't see Ruffy letting her turning someone into stone :(
That's not important. Like swords don't kill….....
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Although i'd love to see Hancock join the Strawhats, there's one huge problem. It's her ability. She's turning people into stone, which is like killing them. The Strawhats never kill anyone, not even the worst of their opponents. I can't see Ruffy letting her turning someone into stone :(
Zoro and Robin kill people all the time, what are you talking about? It's Luffy that never kills his opponents. The rule doesn't necessarily apply to the other Strawhats, though Oda doesn't show it happening or confirm the deaths. But it's a pretty safe bet they do die. We do know Zoro killed the 100 bounty hunters at Whisky Peak.
Anyway, Wiper got a flashback, too, and didn't join. Which would've been kind of cool; he'd be like the Ikkaku of One Piece.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Zoro and Robin kill people all the time, what are you talking about? It's Luffy that never kills his opponents. The rule doesn't necessarily apply to the other Strawhats, though Oda doesn't show it happening or confirm the deaths. But it's a pretty safe bet they do die. We do know Zoro killed the 100 bounty hunters at Whisky Peak.
Anyway, Wiper got a flashback, too, and didn't join. Which would've been kind of cool; he'd be like the Ikkaku of One Piece.
Hmm? Who did Zoro kill?
As for Margaret joining I doubt it. She just lacks the necessary outrageousness. It's something all the SH have, but which she doesn't.
Hancock does, but she revealed her tragic past far too easily. It was like five panels, that can't be considered a proper flashback. If she is to join she would have to meet like her former owner on Shabaody or something like that. Something which would give her a proper flashback, however I find this rather unlikely. Seems more and more like none of the amazones will join.Gorlak wants you for the army
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Hmm? Who did Zoro kill?
Siam, for one:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/33/17/
Notice he comments the reason Butchie survived is because he's fat, implying that Siam did die.
There's other examples but I don't feel like sifting through over 6000 manga pages to find them all.
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that's hardly proof. He's cut plenty of folk with huge sprays of blood, but unless there's confirmation, and there hasn't been even one, they aren't dead. Not in One Piece.
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As for Margaret joining I doubt it. She just lacks the necessary outrageousness. It's something all the SH have, but which she doesn't.
Explain I see it in Luffy, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, and maybe Sanji when it comes to girls but not at all in Robin, Zoro, and Nami.
Hancock does, but she revealed her tragic past far too easily. It was like five panels, that can't be considered a proper flashback.
Not that I want her to join but you say this as if the other SHs came to Luffy and revealed their pasts. Hell Luffy, barely knows any of his nakama past, save a few.
If she is to join she would have to meet like her former owner on Shabaody or something like that
Not wanting her to join, but isn't it the noble that Usopp fell on? or the one Luffy knocked out? They showed a pic/silhoette of the noble in her flashback I believe.
I can understand ppl thinking one thing won't happen, excetera, excetera but lets be real when you guys say I don't feel anone or so-n-so won't join just cuz you're usually wrong. Few to none felt Franky would join and I'd say nobody felt Robin would join. So maybe yall should consider all the things you feel won't happen and just go with the opposite. It's not like anybod is good at preducting what Oda will do especially since he has shown he can throw curve balls with the new nakama as well…....
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@Zik:
Explain I see it in Luffy, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, and maybe Sanji when it comes to girls but not at all in Robin, Zoro, and Nami.
Zoro? The guy makes John McLain look like a pussy, he has an attitude only surpassed by Luffy. How could he be anything but outrageous?
With Robin it was the way she joined. She played around with Vivi and then joined completely out of nowhere. Also remember how she gripped Franky's balls?
And while Nami looks rather normal, apart from her overexaggerated greed and her skill, she is the only one who can keep Luffy, Zoro and Sanji in line. Do you think she could do that if she was normal?
Furthermore all three have outrageous dreams and ambitions
Not that I want her to join but you say this as if the other SHs came to Luffy and revealed their pasts. Hell Luffy, barely knows any of his nakama past, save a few.
Luffy might not care, but the flashbacks aren't for Luffy's benefit, they are for our benefit. And Hancocks was far too underwhelming for that purpose.
Not wanting her to join, but isn't it the noble that Usopp fell on? or the one Luffy knocked out? They showed a pic/silhoette of the noble in her flashback I believe.
We were shown a sillhouette of the guy branding her, but while he might be the one you are referring to we can't even be sure whether that shadow is a tenryuubito, it might be a mere henchman. The shadow is just too generic.
I can understand ppl thinking one thing won't happen, excetera, excetera but lets be real when you guys say I don't feel anone or so-n-so won't join just cuz you're usually wrong. Few to none felt Franky would join and I'd say nobody felt Robin would join. So maybe yall should consider all the things you feel won't happen and just go with the opposite. It's not like anybod is good at preducting what Oda will do especially since he has shown he can throw curve balls with the new nakama as well…....
Of course we might be wrong, but why shouldn't we voice our opinion? That's why we use phrases like "I think" "it seems to me" and so on.
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