One Piece Overrated?

fedcom

I agree with Bill completely.
FMA was great overall, but started to drag a bit towards the end.
That and the way the villain was defeated was terribly disappointing (even some of the homonculi)

maxterdexter

@fedcom:

I agree with Bill completely.
FMA was great overall, but started to drag a bit towards the end.
That and the way the villain was defeated was terribly disappointing (even some of the homonculi)

What you people wanted Ed to do? to take the power of the truth for himself and start trowing beams and suns?

Airflow

I liked the bits of HunterxHunter but I can never bring myself to finish it (and I've tried several times). I always get distracted around the point where they start learning about the black market and ceramic pots.

TLC

The way Ed beat the final boss was fine. The fact that Ed figured out in two seconds that he could have given Al his body back all along not so much.

maxterdexter

Let's just say that it wouldn't have worked if Al wasn't whole on the other side.

Or that Ed already figured it out during the timeskip but he knew that he had to defeat Father and didn't take the chance.

MasterKingJC

Yo, guys. If you're going into FMA territory, please no spoilers.

city_lights31

Ah. I remember when I was an anime only fan. I was so young and naive than. Good times. I don't think I know a single person who started with the anime and transitioned to the manga that doesn't prefer the manga now. If u read it u will see the light like myself and all the rest.

Btw. First AP message on my droid. Woot.

No Maam

@Airflow:

I liked the bits of HunterxHunter but I can never bring myself to finish it (and I've tried several times). I always get distracted around the point where they start learning about the black market and ceramic pots.

Oh the ever so important chapter devoted to bluffs and counter bluffs while selling antiques on the street…..which never amounted to anything anyway.

Ah good times. :ninja:

Md-Martin

The thing with FMA is, it doesn't feel like an action manga. While Oda handles plots great, and can work an angle on any sort of character, he writes writes amazing fights, with amazing art, and weird, unique plot twist.

With FMA, the story came first, always. The main focus was the relationship between Al and Ed, and while some fights were pretty damn awesome, you could tell that wasn't what the manga was about.

And like people have said, one of the most disappointing things is that we never saw anything outside of Amestris. I would have actually really liked if Brotherhood got an anime-only sequel, Showing Ed and Al's travels.

firecrouch · Blog last updated 01/31/2013:

@mdmartin101:

Well

! With Luffy, you can give a bit of the benefit of the doubt I guess, the hook apparently didn't hit any organs, an while Luffy was left for dead, I assume after Robin saved him, he used his shirt to stop the bleeding. Knowing Luffy's recovery rate, he may just be a natural fast healer. And even though it was for comedic effect, when he became "Mizu Luffy" water sprung from the wound.
! With Ace, it was made clear his insides were burned to bits.

! That still doesn't make much sense. How could Crocodile have missed any of Luffy's vital organs with the way he hooked him?

Also there's nothing wrong with being an anime-only viewer.

Barkworm

I loved FMA but the last couple of volumes were boring. There was just nothing surprising anymore, everything was painfully predictable.

Md-Martin

@Barkworm:

I loved FMA but the last couple of volumes were boring. There was just nothing surprising anymore, everything was painfully predictable.

The very end, concerning Al was pretty unpredictable.

JERK DISEASE

@firecrouch:

! That still doesn't make much sense. How could Crocodile have missed any of Luffy's vital organs with the way he hooked him?

Also there's nothing wrong with being an anime-only viewer.

Yes, yes there is.

city_lights31

There really isn't. They just don't know what they're missing. More power to em.

firecrouch · Blog last updated 01/31/2013:

The only big thing I feel like anime-only watchers would be missing are the cover stories. That's it, anything else is just subtle stuff. You could say manga-only readers are just as well missing out with the anime when they don't get the great music and the G-8 arc. The anime is faithful enough to the manga that I think most people wouldn't mind only experiencing on version.

sanji499

@firecrouch:

Right now I'm seeing a lot of talk comparing "One Piece" to "Naruto". I don't have much to contribute to this conversation since I don't read or watch much besides "One Piece", but what would any of you have to say about "One Piece" in comparison to other manga (besides "Bleach")?

In general I rarely believe in the idea of something being "overrated" or "underrated". It's kind of like saying certain things are deserving of certain levels of popularity, which I don't fine true.

"Nadia the secret of Blue water" is an anime that I hold in high regards. It was made by the creators of Evangelion. I think it is a lot of more fun to watch than Evangelion. If you love One Piece, you will love Nadia. There are only 39 episodes (there should have been only 26 because of there were fillers) and it is less time consuming than One Piece. There are themes like adventure, love, humor, learning, sadness. Some of the scenery are breathtaking and the ending is just epic.

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Zack

@city_lights31:

I vote Fullmetal Alchemsit and possibly Hunter x Hunter deserve to be a part of the discussion.

EDIT: beat to it.

The thing with Hunter x Hunter is that it's one of the few manga I would tell people to wait until Hunter x Hunter is over to actually judge it to other Shounen at this point because I feel like the author's never going to take the time to complete it, or he's going to rush the ending because he doesn't feel like working on it anymore.

! Also, in the lastest arc, it feels like the protagonists have gotten way more powerful than they should in one arc. It did get better as it went on, but now the protagonists already feel like they're practically first-class with only maybe a few people out there that could actually beat them unlike the previous game arc where it still felt like there was plenty of people that were still above them.

JERK DISEASE

@firecrouch:

The only big thing I feel like anime-only watchers would be missing are the cover stories. That's it, anything else is just subtle stuff. You could say manga-only readers are just as well missing out with the anime when they don't get the great music and the G-8 arc. The anime is faithful enough to the manga that I think most people wouldn't mind only experiencing on version.

Oh no, an arc not written by Oda. What will I do.

lol at "just subtle stuff". Who cares about subtle stuff? Oh yeah. People who actually love the series.

Also the music isn't THAT good, it's fine, but no one is missing jack shit.
This isn't Cowboy fucking Bebop here. God, why do you anime apologists always yak on like this sweat shop prime time animation has OVA animation quality and Yoko Kanno scoring. And there's all those wierdos on the "study of animation thread' who bother to memorize and care about a bunch of nobody directors as if they're talking about Miyazaki.

In fact being as I hate J-pop I have never seen why anyone gives a remotest fuck about a single Opening song ever including We Are.

And if you really want to argue this crap, take it to the "Anime Pacing" thread and read that because I don't want to have to repeat myself for the hundredth time.

tori22

@JERK:

Oh no, an arc not written by Oda. What will I do.

lol at "just subtle stuff". Who cares about subtle stuff? Oh yeah. People who actually love the series.

Also the music isn't THAT good, it's fine, but no one is missing jack shit.
This isn't Cowboy fucking Bebop here. God, why do you anime apologists always yak on like this sweat shop prime time animation has OVA animation quality and Yoko Kanno scoring. And there's all those wierdos on the "study of animation thread' who bother to memorize and care about a bunch of nobody directors as if they're talking about Miyazaki.

In fact being as I hate J-pop I have never seen why anyone gives a remotest fuck about a single Opening song ever including We Are.

And if you really want to argue this crap, take it to the "Anime Pacing" thread and read that because I don't want to have to repeat myself for the hundredth time.

No, f*ck u, ur wrong. The anime's fine. The people in the study of the animation thread are not wierdo's. I'd like to go to the anime pacing thread, but once I went there and said that the anime didn't suck, and after that this keeps popping up whenever i go there:

JERK DISEASE

@tori22:

No, f*ck u, ur wrong. The anime's fine. The people in the study of the animation thread are not wierdo's. I'd like to go to the anime pacing thread, but once I went there and said that the anime didn't suck, and after that this keeps popping up whenever i go there:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8563/screenshot20110227at601.png

That's because, and frankly, you're still highly suspect of being a fake account.

Bill

Maxdexter: Well I can acknowledge that. but the way it was still handled was eye-rolling preachy and very typical. Also regardless, Ed defeating this near omnipotent villain that fast, is pretty dull and I do acknowledge the villain was conceited and full of himself but in the end he transformed to a bland bishonen design with a generic apathetic god persona. I just didn't like Ed suddenly giving him the smack down after just getting his other arm back. I wish he was defeated in a more clever way and I have a feeling Arakawa could have done that. Also I don't have much love for the ending, It wasn't bad, but with a lot of FMA it just gave you too much what the audience wanted. I'd would have preferred a more somber upbeat ending then the one we got. Arakawa is talented and is very well researched, but she needs to work a little more when expanding and making her world more wider to explore. I mean the FMA's world is interesting– its a fantasy world with elements similar to the industrial revolution era FMA is a great series at the start with an but 'okay' near the end. It just didn't 'wow' me with it became, at the start there was more potential then nearing the finale I just got disappointed . But I think I will reread the series for fun.

tori22

@JERK:

That's because, and frankly, you're still highly suspect of being a fake account.

How am i a fake account? Now Im a tool and a fake account?

JERK DISEASE

@tori22:

How am i a fake account? Now Im a tool and a fake account?

Robby banned you from that thread because you honestly seemed to be trolling you were posting so bafflingly.

I'm sure Urogue was thinking the same thing here with how you frustrated people for tens of pages with your cryptic "INTELLIGENT CREATIVE" nonsense.

firecrouch · Blog last updated 01/31/2013:

@JERK:

Oh no, an arc not written by Oda. What will I do.

lol at "just subtle stuff". Who cares about subtle stuff? Oh yeah. People who actually love the series.

Also the music isn't THAT good, it's fine, but no one is missing jack shit.
This isn't Cowboy fucking Bebop here. God, why do you anime apologists always yak on like this sweat shop prime time animation has OVA animation quality and Yoko Kanno scoring. And there's all those wierdos on the "study of animation thread' who bother to memorize and care about a bunch of nobody directors as if they're talking about Miyazaki.

In fact being as I hate J-pop I have never seen why anyone gives a remotest fuck about a single Opening song ever including We Are.

And if you really want to argue this crap, take it to the "Anime Pacing" thread and read that because I don't want to have to repeat myself for the hundredth time.

I haven't read over the Anime Pacing thread, but does it really just go over the anime in general? Because I'm not necessarily arguing about the pacing, I'm talking about the anime as a whole.

Anyway I think this argument applies here, we're talking about whether "One Piece" is overrated or not, and that applies to the anime. We're already on the subject here so I might as well put in my two cents. If a bunch of people or a higher-up mod thinks it's not on-topic I'll just make a new thread. And JERK, you don't have to respond to this if you don't want to if you're tired of repeating yourself.

Anyway yeah G-8 is an arc not made by Oda, but it's a damn good arc. Regardless of who made it, you'd be missing out on it if you don't watch the anime. It's still "One Piece" regardless of who made it.

I do care about the subtle stuff, I never said you wouldn't be missing out if you didn't read the manga. Like I mentioned earlier, you can still be missing out on other subtle stuff in the anime, some of the little filler moments they add in do flesh out the characters, even if it's not necessarily in a way some fans would like. And all fans are equal, people can love "One Piece" for different reasons. It's the overarching storyline, the main themes that matter the most.

Also I love the music, the fully orchestrated background music specifically. It really gets you in the mood for an epic adventure with a hint of sentimentality. I also like We Are and all the other openings and endings, they're fun in their own right, but it's really the rest of the music that was the first thing that made the anime stand out from the manga.

Cyan D. Funk

This thread's a damn riot.

Badass SnoCone

@firecrouch:

The only big thing I feel like anime-only watchers would be missing are the cover stories. That's it, anything else is just subtle stuff. You could say manga-only readers are just as well missing out with the anime when they don't get the great music and the G-8 arc. The anime is faithful enough to the manga that I think most people wouldn't mind only experiencing on version.

The anime drags out things much more than the manga. So much so that they can ruin good scenes and make you flat out hate scenes that, when seen in the manga, you may have been indifferent to.

Example:

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Also, the art in the anime fluctuates so heavily, it's laughable.

Not that I despise the anime or anything. But still…

tori22

@JERK:

Robby banned you from that thread because you honestly seemed to be trolling you were posting so bafflingly.

I'm sure Urogue was thinking the same thing here with how you frustrated people for tens of pages with your cryptic "INTELLIGENT CREATIVE" nonsense.

Every1 else was over reacting over 1 sentence that I said about naruto. But i gave up on that argument. and i was not trolling in that thread. U guys just hated the anime and every1 that only watched the anime

@Badass:

The anime drags out things much more than the manga. So much so that they can ruin good scenes and make you flat out hate scenes that, when seen in the manga, you may have been indifferent to.

Example:

QGr16tZ1y4E

Also, the art in the anime fluctuates so heavily, it's laughable.

Not that I despise the anime or anything. But still…

Please tell me ur not still using that as an argument that's the only real drawn out scene i can think of.

@Cyan:

This thread's a damn riot.

Yep.

@firecrouch:

I haven't read over the Anime Pacing thread, but does it really just go over the anime in general? Because I'm not necessarily arguing about the pacing, I'm talking about the anime as a whole.

Anyway I think this argument applies here, we're talking about whether "One Piece" is overrated or not, and that applies to the anime. We're already on the subject here so I might as well put in my two cents. If a bunch of people or a higher-up mod thinks it's not on-topic I'll just make a new thread. And JERK, you don't have to respond to this if you don't want to if you're tired of repeating yourself.

Anyway yeah G-8 is an arc not made by Oda, but it's a damn good arc. Regardless of who made it, you'd be missing out on it if you don't watch the anime. It's still "One Piece" regardless of who made it.

I do care about the subtle stuff, I never said you wouldn't be missing out if you didn't read the manga. Like I mentioned earlier, you can still be missing out on other subtle stuff in the anime, some of the little filler moments they add in do flesh out the characters, even if it's not necessarily in a way some fans would like. And all fans are equal, people can love "One Piece" for different reasons. It's the overarching storyline, the main themes that matter the most.

Also I love the music, the fully orchestrated background music specifically. It really gets you in the mood for an epic adventure with a hint of sentimentality. I also like We Are and all the other openings and endings, they're fun in their own right, but it's really the rest of the music that was the first thing that made the anime stand out from the manga.

Yea if u look at the anime as a whole it really lives up to the manga. I don't even read it but I know it lives up to it's expectations. People are just way to critical over the smallest things.

Cyan D. Funk

@tori22:

Every1 else was over reacting over 1 sentence that I said about naruto. But i gave up on that argument. and i was not trolling in that thread. U guys just hated the anime and every1 that only watched the anime

You make Silers Rayleigh look like an upstanding member of the community.

Kaiolino

They shouldn't have banned tori from that topic, because now that he's no longer contained he's infecting every thread he posts in. Which is quite a lot.

JERK DISEASE

@Firecrouch:

I haven't read over the Anime Pacing thread, but does it really just go over the anime in general? Because I'm not necessarily arguing about the pacing, I'm talking about the anime as a whole.

Pacing is a massive massive massive problem that wedges itself right between the two versions.

Anyway yeah G-8 is an arc not made by Oda, but it's a damn good arc. Regardless of who made it, you'd be missing out on it if you don't watch the anime. It's still "One Piece" regardless of who made it.

This is akin to me like saying I'm missing out on some cool arc in a different series. Maybe I am, but I'm not missing anything One Piece.
This is one of things I can never get about the anime people.

One Piece is too unique a series in it's style and tone and vision for me to tolerate filler, it's DIRECTLY tied to Oda in my mind. Good or no, and I have seen filler in OP I thought was decent, I for instance kind of liked the stuff about the prisoners Robin hung out with when she got sent to that huge bridge.

I liked it, but never for one second was it really One Piece. One Piece is Oda, plain and simple.
Don't even tell me G8 is One Piece.

I do care about the subtle stuff, I never said you wouldn't be missing out if you didn't read the manga. Like I mentioned earlier, you can still be missing out on other subtle stuff in the anime,

And I repeat..

some of the little filler moments they add in do flesh out the characters, even if it's not necessarily in a way some fans would like.

They don't flesh out jack shit.

See an argument like this is built off a near hilarious assertion that Oda isn't doing something, and people who make a career off padding on whatever they can to meet pre-planned running times are.

You can never win this argument, you're arguing from an obscenely silly premise.

Nothing is fleshed out. Filler is fat by nature. Flab.

And all fans are equal, people can love "One Piece" for different reasons. It's the overarching storyline, the main themes that matter the most.

People can be great huge fans of OP's adaptation.

But that is a different thing.

I also like We Are and all the other openings and endings, they're fun in their own right, but it's really the rest of the music that was the first thing that made the anime stand out from the manga.

Post amazing tracks. Try to genuinely impress me.

Badass SnoCone

@tori22:

Please tell me ur not still using that as an argument that's the only real drawn out scene i can think of.

Then you haven't watched much of the anime? I used that video as an example because it's the most easily accessible video of bad pacing on youtube.

As I remember, the fight with Magellan was also very drawn out considering it was only about 1/2 a chapter and they stretched it out to one 21 minute episode.

firecrouch · Blog last updated 01/31/2013:

@Badass:

The anime drags out things much more than the manga. So much so that they can ruin good scenes and make you flat out hate scenes that, when seen in the manga, you may have been indifferent to.

Example:

QGr16tZ1y4E

Also, the art in the anime fluctuates so heavily, it's laughable.

Not that I despise the anime or anything. But still…

I won't argue that, but the lengthening of certain scenes or the fluctuation of art styles doesn't really bother me. In certain cases I like some of the episodes vary in style. Yes, the anime has its own flaws that the manga doesn't, but it doesn't convince me to stick with the manga exclusively. The media of animation is nice, I like seeing my favorite characters and scenarios come to life.

Also do you have the manga version of that scene for comparison?

RPGJay

@tori22:

Yea if u look at the anime as a whole it really lives up to the manga. I don't even read it but I know it lives up to it's expectations. People are just way to critical over the smallest things.

Then you're not allowed an opinion on adaptations if you seriously have no fucking idea about how something is being adapted.

JERK DISEASE

The medium of animation is nice.

When it's not a mass produced french fry version.

NicoNico28

@tori22:

Please tell me ur not still using that as an argument that's the only real drawn out scene i can think of.

Someone needs to rewatch the Enies Lobby arc,especially the Usopp and the chicken part…

SympathyX

Has tori said a single sensible thing on this forum yet?

tori22

@JERK:

Pacing is a massive massive massive problem that wedges itself right between the two versions.

This is akin to me like saying I'm missing out on some cool arc in a different series. Maybe I am, but I'm not missing anything One Piece.
This is one of things I can never get about the anime people.

Interesting. I think of it as it is one piece, yet u view it as if it's not One Piece. That's an intriguing way of looking at it. Not that it's different from every1 else's views, but I never thought of it that way. I still disagree though, I think it is One Piece. Some filler arcs can't be considered canon, but most of them can. I mean, they fit into the story, so I just view them as if it's another arc.

@JERK:

One Piece is too unique a series in it's style and tone and vision for me to tolerate filler, it's DIRECTLY tied to Oda in my mind. Good or no, and I have seen filler in OP I thought was decent, I for instance kind of liked the stuff about the prisoners Robin hung out with when she got sent to that huge bridge.

I liked it, but never for one second was it really One Piece. One Piece is Oda, plain and simple.
Don't even tell me G8 is One Piece.

And I repeat..

Again, that's a different way of putting it from where I put it. I find myself to be very tollerate over One Piece filler, unlike other anime such as bleach and that taboo anime that starts with an "N". One Piece was practically made for filler. All what it's about is island hopping, well at least that's how the story revolving around the SH's generally progresses. Paradise, the first half of the grand line, has more than 10 islands in it, but that's around the amount of islands the SH's have travelled to in paradise. So it's good to add in more islands and stuff. It also gives you a general look on what the SH's daily lives are like. It might not be canon, but I still call it OP.

JERK DISEASE

Some filler arcs can't be considered canon, but most of them can. I mean, they fit into the story, so I just view them as if it's another arc.

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tori22

@JERK:

OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT GET OUT

Lol U didnt even read the whole post. Stop having a temper tantrum and read it.

JERK DISEASE

I'm not arguing with you when you don't even know what goddamn canon means, and haven't ever read the fucking manga in the first place. In fact I recall telling you something before about this.

You have no idea of any frame of reference for anything you're talking about, why are you arguing it.

Cyan D. Funk

And Tori asks for his death sentence.

tori22

May i have my death sentence

SympathyX

It's like Christmas and Birthday come at once when he posts some times. Absolutely fantastic.

…if he IS in fact a troll then 100/10 but if not then dear god... have mercy on us all.

Cyan D. Funk

@tori22:

May i have my death sentence

You heard the boy mods end his suffering.

JERK DISEASE

I'll argue with Firecrouch, and you know why? Because he's read the manga, even if only parts as far as I know. He knows what it looks like, how it operates, feels, smells, compares etc.

You haven't read ANY of it. How is that even possible??

Gliblord

Wow. This thread.

Remind me why we care so much about what Tori says?

tori22

@JERK:

I'll argue with Firecrouch, and you know why? Because he's read the manga, even if only parts as far as I know. He knows what it looks like, how it operates, feels, smells, compares etc.

You haven't read ANY of it. How is that even possible??

Ive read the first three volumes. But then I stopped. Not out of boredom. I just stopped for some reason. Then two years later I decided i wanted to get into OP but i decided to watch the anime.

Seriously though respond to my post at least…....

JERK DISEASE

@tori22:

Ive read the first three volumes. But then I stopped. Not out of boredom. I just stopped for some reason. Then two years later I decided i wanted to get into OP but i decided to watch the anime.

Seriously though respond to my post at least…....

The first THREE?? O_h wow that changes everything_.

No, you haven't earned it. You are not coming to the table with the needed qualifications to participate. And I'm not going to feed your spoiled underqualified ass by letting you play ball.
You made shitty points to begin with if you must know, but you can't talk about One Piece, you don't what it looks like.

tori22

@JERK:

The first THREE?? O_h wow that changes everything_.

No, you haven't earned it. You are not coming to the table with the needed qualifications to participate. And I'm not going to feed your spoiled underqualified ass by letting you play ball.
You made shitty points to begin with if you must know, but you can't talk about One Piece, you don't what it looks like.

I'm sorry but u were directly attacking the anime, and saying that filler isn't OP. However, I'm saying that it fits into the story and that I consider it OP. The post I was replying to u weren't talking about the manga at all so i jumped in. If we're attacking the anime then I can come in but then when u talk about the manga i cant. I understand that. We arent directly talking about the manga so I don't see how I can't join in. The only other OP manga ive read are a few chapters of episodes every once in a while just to see what the manga looked like, and I read the May, June and July American shounen jump magazines at my school but that doesn't really count.

Xajen

I can hear the mouthbreathing from this thread even while I'm away from my computer.