Who the hell will even remember. Who the hell will even care.
I hope a lot do though.
Who the hell will even remember. Who the hell will even care.
I hope a lot do though.
EDIT: Friend said the version included on the dvd may have been the TV Special version of the song. Of course, no way of being sure unless we checked it, which I unfortunately no longer have access to it. Can anyone verify?
The version on that DVD was for TV Special 2, hence the clips from that special.
@EvilGamerX:
The version on that DVD was for TV Special 2, hence the clips from that special.
Alright, thanks.
Who wants to bet we'll have AT LEAST One person who comes around here Bitching about how FUNi "Edited out the Blood"?
Oh, I'm willing to bet we'll be seeing tons of those. But I already made this point like, 7 posts ago…
Dang… I had no clue it was edited.
Screw K-F, the blood whores.
Dang… I had no clue it was edited.
Screw K-F, the blood whores.
Yeah, those evil people who were the only way to watch one piece for years on end, subbing the series in their spare time.
Screw them, right?
Yeah, those evil people who were the only way to watch one piece for years on end, subbing the series in their spare time.
Screw them, right?
Yeah, how dare they even think of letting people watch One Piece.
Those turds.
Probably because they thought it was odd.
Usually when the characters are injured and they throw up, it's blood. But in this scene it's…saliva.
They shouldn't have altered it anyways... but that's probably the reason they did it.
Who says you're going to toss up a bucket of blood just because you've been gut suckered in the tummy? Your body holds a ton of other liquids than just blood, after all. Certainly, either way, not a just cause for altering it.
Who wants to bet we'll have AT LEAST One person who comes around here Bitching about how FUNi "Edited out the Blood"?
Who the hell will even remember. Who the hell will even care.
I hope a lot do though.
@Vegard:
Oh, I'm willing to bet we'll be seeing tons of those. But I already made this point like, 7 posts ago…
I'm calling the bets now. I say at least a 1/4 of FUNi dub watchers will say something.
Oh and Darkstorm, I'm certain they will take notice.
Oh and Darkstorm, I'm certain they will take notice.
Seeing how people noticed the edit to the Zoro-eyecatchers on the first two sets, (which was on-screen for literarily 1/12 of a second) I'd say it's pretty damn obvious that anyone who's seen the fansubs more than once will instantly notice it.
There's a difference between good eyesight and good memory though. And this would have to be a case of really good memory.
I keep coming here expecting someone to say "My Season 2 V5 is reserved for my order!". Any day now, I hope.
I'm aware of that, Chopperules. But this is One Piece. "Usually" when the characters get gut-punched or whatever they throw up blood.
This is probably one of the only instances where they throw up saliva.
I'm just saying, that KF probably thought that as odd and that's probably why they changed it. I'm not saying they should have done that. They're just a fansub group after all, who shouldn't even begin to think about touching and editing the actual episodes besides encoding the subtitles….
I'm just stating why they probably did it.
I keep coming here expecting someone to say "My Season 2 V5 is reserved for my order!". Any day now, I hope.
FUNi's Jan 5th titles started releasing last week at some stores, so I'd say next week at the earliest we start seeing the Jan 19 titles start shipping out
*as one final thought on the blood thing, I don't really care if FUNimation releases the blood version or the water version (if the video they get is straight from Japan, it'll be the water version) but either way it's not going to take away from my enjoyment of watching One Piece
The thing about K-F is this.
We used to complain about 4kids. We'd do it often. You could watch the 4kids version for Free on TV, it didn't const you anything. And them doing ANYTHING to the show was lynchworthy.
Now, I know nobody is gonna care about this because K-F actually made it MORE bloody, but it's STILL a video edit. I mean, aren't there people complaining that FUNi uses "Too Many Swear Words" Now? (despite the fact that K-F and Gerusama were always FAR raunchier than ANYTHING FUNi has done… Usopp's "SHUT THE FUCK UUUUUP!" to Franky...)
I mean, wouldn't this be the same thing? they upped the violence unnecessarily?...
I mean, it's in the past and we're about to get the DVDs, which for ANYONE should entirely replace K-F's subs ANYWAY, but still, just saying that K-F gets a pass because it's free isn't right...
but still, just saying that K-F gets a pass because it's free isn't right…
Yes it is.
People are entitled to complain about funi because we're paying for it. Doesn't mean they'll listen, but if there's a problem with something you've bought it's legitimate to take issue with anything you find wrong.
Whereas KF do it for free in their own time. Which means even if they did something silly(which they did here), that's up to them.
If that were the case, then nobody was entitled to complain over 4kids, because it was Free on TV, and nobody is entitled to complain about the FUNi Simulcast now, because it's Free.
That's obviously not what's happening. Case and point: "SECUND GEER?! NERDRAAAGE!!"
You're paying for both through ads.
And please don't bring up thousand batter as a case in point for anything.
Funimation doesn't get that much of a hard time anyway, because it doesn't do much wrong. It's not like they're calling Enel a Kami.
You're paying for both through ads.
And please don't bring up thousand batter as a case in point for anything.
Funimation doesn't get that much of a hard time anyway, because it doesn't do much wrong. It's not like they're calling Enel a Kami.
Defending K-F is fine, but don't act like they aren't getting paid for it.
I'm not really complaining, but it IS wrong of K-F to edit things. The really messed up thing is, K-F appears to believe they're the De-facto version of One Piece, so much so that they're planning on Re-releasing Episodes 1-10 with corrected Translation (Maybe now they'll translate "Kane" right…)
But at this point, they've stopped being the good people getting One Piece to the masses, now they're re-releasing episodes that are already out on Uncut DVD so people will DL them INSTEAD of buying the official DVDs.
That's just plain piracy. So I've lost all respect for K-F and don't really think they're worth defending anymore.
But anyway, back on topic, One Piece DVDs! only about a Week until we might start seeing shipping confirmations.
Yeah, because donations are totally the same.
YAY YAY YAY! I know im a bit slow but i only just learnt that season 4's being dubbed and so i'm really happy. It makes sense considering Funi dub the american games and so certain characters like franky & spandem already have an english voice actor but i wonder what brooks like. I imagine him to have a posh british accent to go with his general appearance. That would be funny
To pay for the server they illegally host their episodes and site on? And likely to piss away on personal stuff? I'd say so…
YAY YAY YAY! I know im a bit slow but i only just learnt that season 4's being dubbed and so i'm really happy. It makes sense considering Funi dub the american games and so certain characters like franky & spandem already have an english voice actor but i wonder what brooks like. I imagine him to have a posh british accent to go with his general appearance. That would be funny
Brook's has yet to be announced.
I'd imagine it'll be someone who can sing, so perhaps Vic or Jerry.
@Yuugi's:
To pay for the server they illegally host their episodes and site on? And likely to piss away on personal stuff? I'd say so…
Ha ha ha.
Yeah, because donations are totally the same.
As much as I don't like fansubbing, I can attest that donations don't really count as payment. If it did, I'd be a lot richer/have a lot more OP or Podcasting stuff.
I guess it depends how many donations they got though, and what exactly they used it on. If it's server fees, it's not like they really saw anything beneficial come out of that. If it's spent on anything personal then I have to agree that that is wrong on many levels.
When it comes to the editing, I'm more confused than anything. It seems a little bit egotistic and presumptive of them to take saliva and turn it into blood. I mean what the hell…?
You're paying for both through ads
Isn't that like saying K-F isn't free because you have to pay for electricity and the Internet?
@Zach:
As much as I don't like fansubbing, I can attest that donations don't really count as payment. If it did, I'd be a lot richer/have a lot more OP or Podcasting stuff.
I guess it depends how many donations they got though, and what exactly they used it on. If it's server fees, it's not like they really saw anything beneficial come out of that. If it's spent on anything personal then I have to agree that that is wrong on many levels.
When it comes to the editing, I'm more confused than anything. It seems a little bit egotistic and presumptive of them to take saliva and turn it into blood. I mean what the hell…?
This man gets it.
@Mikey:
Isn't that like saying K-F isn't free because you have to pay for electricity and the Internet?
Nope. It's the basics of how TV has worked for a good long time now. The more people watch it, the more they get paid by the ad companies for the ads. On a tv network if a show gets low viewership then ad companies pay less or pull out altogether and the show gets cancelled. Things are starting to change now with DVR's and the like, but one would assume that's how 4kids operated, whichever network they were on paid them as long as the show was popular enough to get decent ad money. Then they have dvd/merch sales etc.
Either funi are making a profit out of the ads or are breaking even/making a small loss and calculating they get it back out of increased dvd sales.
Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it at all.
@Zach:
As much as I don't like fansubbing, I can attest that donations don't really count as payment. If it did, I'd be a lot richer/have a lot more OP or Podcasting stuff.
I guess it depends how many donations they got though, and what exactly they used it on. If it's server fees, it's not like they really saw anything beneficial come out of that. If it's spent on anything personal then I have to agree that that is wrong on many levels.
When it comes to the editing, I'm more confused than anything. It seems a little bit egotistic and presumptive of them to take saliva and turn it into blood. I mean what the hell…?
You, however, have been in business far shorter a time than they. Comparitively speaking, how how much clout or popularity do you have to command the sort of following the infamous fansubbers in question might have?
@Yuugi's:
You, however, have been in business far shorter a time than they. Comparitively speaking, how how much clout or popularity do you have to command the sort of following the infamous fansubbers in question might have?
Whatever "following" you think they may have would dropped considerably in the last few years, ever since Gerusama turned up.
Fansubbers rarely get enough donations to maintain their servers and buy the R1 dvd releases.
On the subject of K-F, I gotta say Foolio is a giant putz.
Yeah the Funimation subs are pretty awful. They are about as good as half-assed speed subbers, which is pretty disgusting for an official sub where someone got paid to do it.
This is funny coming from someone who couldn't even get their subs right originally(as well as their other blatant errors). I'm going to laugh the day they get C&D'd.
-Zera
Yeah, the only problems with funi's releases are the editing and the toei list as far as I know(hopefully neither of which will appear in the dvd releases - though that's years away).
The actual translation is top notch.
On the subject of K-F, I gotta say Foolio is a giant putz.
This is funny coming from someone who couldn't even get their subs right originally(as well as their other blatant errors). http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c58/Zeratanis/goon.gif I'm going to laugh the day they get C&D'd.
-Zera
…FUNi's subtitles... are on the level of... half-assed speedsubs...? HAH! If he'd been talking about Crunchyroll's subtitles, I would have agreed, but FUNi's? While I haven't seen all that much of their subs, (due to, y'know, being European as well as being a fansubber myself) they seem quite passable other than a few minor nitpicks. (And "Haki". Ugh.)
Foolio's comment there was actually aimed at the Subs on "Season One First Voyage".
As dumb as that comment is, it makes sense. Foolio runs a Fansub group who is really slow right now. if they keep this slow pace, FUNi will overtake them eventually. So how do they keep people coming to them despite having a legal alternative?
Make the Legal version look bad
Honestly, if K-F goes ahead with this whole "Re-release Eps 1-10" Plan, then they've got some REAL problems, specifically:
1: They've crossed the line from fansubbers providing a Robin Hood-esque service, to full blown media pirates.
2: They're already so far behind on recent episodes, why do they think it'll be a good Idea to put that on the backburner to do episodes everyone's already seen 100 times?…
3: Now the "Nakama" bullshit will be all throughout the series... ugh...
That doesn't actually have anything to do with funi though(motivation wise, not legal wise) - Dythim's wanted to do it for years. I think he was a bit embarrassed by those early episodes.
Terms are something not always up to the translation team to decide, either. While I don't really care about 'haki' being untranslated (in this world, such a form of energy is right up there next to Dragon Ball's ki or Naruto's chakra), that's been one of those hot-button issues that will only be solved with time and thousands of posts.
Motivation wise, sure it doesn't. What it does have to do with is belittling FUNi. They HAVE to belittle FUNi at this point otherwise it looks like they're releasing eps 1-10 for no reason.
The only viable reason I can think as to why they'd release the eps now, is that They'd gotten 80% of the work done already, and it would be annoying to just leave them unfinished.
K-F is full of whiny uptight bitches. We get it.
Getting back to FUNi's DVD releases…
Seeing the UsoCho/Mr.4Merrymas battle done by FUNi will be wonderful. The last thing I saw of the 4Kids dub was that battle. It scarred me.
"HOW MUCH GROUND COULD A GROUNDHOG HOG IF A-" SHUT UP.
Let me make it clear: While Kaizoku-Fansubs at the time served what I'd call "a necessary evil," today I don't agree with their continued business.
@Yuugi's:
You, however, have been in business far shorter a time than they. Comparitively speaking, how how much clout or popularity do you have to command the sort of following the infamous fansubbers in question might have?
I do agree, but as I said, if they're just using their donations to keep their server going it's not as…troubling. However, as I just said, I do not believe that Kaizoku or any other fansubbers should be giving out their material to a country that has official versions of the material streaming for free or on DVD/TV.
Yeah, the only problems with funi's releases are the editing and the toei list as far as I know(hopefully neither of which will appear in the dvd releases - though that's years away).
The actual translation is top notch.
You can see Rin's response below, but I disagree. They have brought about a lot of needless and divisive arguments in the One Piece community since their inception. So, K-F may have in fact helped bring OP fans out of the rubble, but at the same time I believe they provide a lot of the contentious issues that have halted an evolution of our community…
Foolio's comment there was actually aimed at the Subs on "Season One First Voyage".
As dumb as that comment is, it makes sense. Foolio runs a Fansub group who is really slow right now. if they keep this slow pace, FUNi will overtake them eventually. So how do they keep people coming to them despite having a legal alternative?
Make the Legal version look badHonestly, if K-F goes ahead with this whole "Re-release Eps 1-10" Plan, then they've got some REAL problems, specifically:
1: They've crossed the line from fansubbers providing a Robin Hood-esque service, to full blown media pirates.
2: They're already so far behind on recent episodes, why do they think it'll be a good Idea to put that on the backburner to do episodes everyone's already seen 100 times?…
3: Now the "Nakama" bullshit will be all throughout the series... ugh...
I completely agree with this. By what I've heard here, it seems as if fansubbers have been pre-emptively undermining the official One Piece releases. It's pretty damn terrible what they did.
EDIT: I'll go with EGX's assessment.
The only Funi subs I'd have a problem with are their Soul Eater one's but yeah, One Piece's ones are pretty damn good.
On the dub topic, would 'Family' not being there(ie: on the dvd's) mean that 'Shining Ray' would play for two one extra episode?
@The:
The only Funi subs I'd have a problem with are their Soul Eater one's but yeah, One Piece's ones are pretty damn good.
what was wrong with the soul eater subs? :wassat:
"Black Star, I'm a kusarigama!"/"Let's go look for the Afreet eggs"
"Kid, don't you wanna be a great shinigami?"
And, there's the annoying 'Lyrics in eng-japanese-eng-japanese-eng' thing.
@The:
The only Funi subs I'd have a problem with are their Soul Eater one's but yeah, One Piece's ones are pretty damn good.
On the dub topic, would 'Family' not being there(ie: on the dvd's) mean that 'Shining Ray' would play for
twoone extra episode?
"Family" is not going to be on S2V6? Why won't they dub this special ending? Isn't everyone looking forward to this?
"Family" is not going to be on S2V6? Why won't they dub this special ending? Isn't everyone looking forward to this?
Because it likely wasn't on the Japanese DVDs.
It's not that Funi might not do it just to be asses, or that it might even be Toei's fault.
It simply wasn't on the Japanese DVDs, so it might've been overlooked.
@Zach:
You can see Rin's response below, but I disagree. They have brought about a lot of needless and divisive arguments in the One Piece community since their inception. So, K-F may have in fact helped bring OP fans out of the rubble, but at the same time I believe they provide a lot of the contentious issues that have halted an evolution of our community…
Only by idiots who whined about nakama(on either side of the fence)
People with too much time their hands really, I couldn't care less about it.
Not sure what this has to do with what you quoted me on though…
@Zach:
I completely agree with this. By what I've heard here, it seems as if fansubbers have been pre-emptively undermining the official One Piece releases. It's pretty damn terrible what they did.
That's really a load of twaddle. The 1-10 thing they've wanted to do for years. Funi's release of those episodes was well over a year ago, so it's hardly in response to that. Also what rin said about foolio supposedly badmouting the dvd subs was misleading as well, I just had a quick look and someone else mentioned the dvd subs, and foolio simply said he thought they were no good, he never specified whether he'd ever seen the dvd subs or was just going off the simulcast episodes.
@Zach:
EDIT: I'll go with EGX's assessment.
He'd know better then me. Anyway, this is the last I'll say on the matter.
The only reason I got into this to begin with was because all this rubbish about how terrible kf were and how they're now apparently plotting the downfall of funi from their secret lair inside a hollow volcano is seriously the stupidest thing I've heard in ages.
There's no question that as far as America is concerned they're no longer needed, funi's dvd releases are excellent.
@dirt:
It simply wasn't on the Japanese DVDs, so it might've been overlooked.
Wasn't on the dvd's at the time, or ever? Was it an soundtrack only release?
Wasn't on the dvd's at the time, or ever? Was it an soundtrack only release?
Thought that this was the conclusion, so I repeated it. Seems that I read something wrong or wasn't paying attention.
Oh well.
What was the reasoning behind why it would be there anyway - I assume it was used in one of the arabasta episodes, but I haven't watched them in years.
Whatever. Who gives two shits about KF anymore, anyways.
I'm pretty sure FUNi will add the Family song somehow, maybe by way of extra or something (if that special ending was indeed not part of the actual episode).
I'm pretty sure they'd want us to hear it if they went through the trouble of dubbing it.
@Vegard:
Seeing how people noticed the edit to the Zoro-eyecatchers on the first two sets, (which was on-screen for literarily 1/12 of a second) I'd say it's pretty damn obvious that anyone who's seen the fansubs more than once will instantly notice it.
Now I must have missed this. What exactly was edited?
I'm aware of that, Chopperules. But this is One Piece. "Usually" when the characters get gut-punched or whatever they throw up blood.
This is probably one of the only instances here they throw up saliva.
I'm just saying, that KF probably thought that as odd and that's probably why they changed it. I'm not saying they should have done that. They're just a fansub group after all, who shouldn't even begin to think about touching and editing the actual episodes besides encoding the subtitles….
I'm just stating why they probably did it.
Yeah, I got you. I was just stating a fact is all. I certainly can't see a reason for them to even consider doing it though, regardless of how odd it is.
FUNi's Jan 5th titles started releasing last week at some stores, so I'd say next week at the earliest we start seeing the Jan 19 titles start shipping out
*as one final thought on the blood thing, I don't really care if FUNimation releases the blood version or the water version (if the video they get is straight from Japan, it'll be the water version) but either way it's not going to take away from my enjoyment of watching One Piece
Well since KF were the ones who edited it, I can guarantee we won't be getting blood on the DVD..
Now, I know nobody is gonna care about this because K-F actually made it MORE bloody, but it's STILL a video edit. I mean, aren't there people complaining that FUNi uses "Too Many Swear Words" Now? (despite the fact that K-F and Gerusama were always FAR raunchier than ANYTHING FUNi has done… Usopp's "SHUT THE FUCK UUUUUP!" to Franky...)
I mean, wouldn't this be the same thing? they upped the violence unnecessarily?...
That's one way of looking at it if you think deeply into it. The way I look at it, and you being a fansubber yourself I'm sure agree with me, a fansubber's only "job" is to provide translated episodes for the fans. No where in the "job description" does it state editing the video to make your release look cooler. Really, all the flashy effects for attacks and karaoke that I used to love and now hate is essentially the same thing, only on a smallter scale. It's 100% unnecessary. I still just can't fathom why on earth they even considered editing it though…
Whereas KF do it for free in their own time. Which means even if they did something silly(which they did here), that's up to them.
This just might be me, but I wouldn't support the group if I found this out long ago. Regardless of how "good" they were back then.
Defending K-F is fine, but don't act like they aren't getting paid for it.
I'm not really complaining, but it IS wrong of K-F to edit things. The really messed up thing is, K-F appears to believe they're the De-facto version of One Piece, so much so that they're planning on Re-releasing Episodes 1-10 with corrected Translation (Maybe now they'll translate "Kane" right…)
But at this point, they've stopped being the good people getting One Piece to the masses, now they're re-releasing episodes that are already out on Uncut DVD so people will DL them INSTEAD of buying the official DVDs.That's just plain piracy. So I've lost all respect for K-F and don't really think they're worth defending anymore.
And I thought my respect had fallen as low as it could go. Anyone mind lending me a shovel so I can bury it and stomp it?
Seriously, why would anyone want to go watch KF when official versions are available? I just don't get it. The very existence of the simulcast is the reason I'm not really involved with Nakama Fansubs anymore either, even though most of them continue anyway to which I disagree with. (Not to mention I don't have time.)
@Zach:
I guess it depends how many donations they got though, and what exactly they used it on. If it's server fees, it's not like they really saw anything beneficial come out of that. If it's spent on anything personal then I have to agree that that is wrong on many levels.
When it comes to the editing, I'm more confused than anything. It seems a little bit egotistic and presumptive of them to take saliva and turn it into blood. I mean what the hell…?
Could be for the servers. But I don't encourage people to send their hard-earned money to some strangers who have the freedom to claim they are paying for a server that is in fact free (it could be, you never know) and is instead spending it on hamburgers and booze.
That's really a load of twaddle. The 1-10 thing they've wanted to do for years. Funi's release of those episodes was well over a year ago, so it's hardly in response to that. Also what rin said about foolio supposedly badmouting the dvd subs was misleading as well, I just had a quick look and someone else mentioned the dvd subs, and foolio simply said he thought they were no good, he never specified whether he'd ever seen the dvd subs or was just going off the simulcast episodes.
He'd know better then me. Anyway, this is the last I'll say on the matter.
The only reason I got into this to begin with was because all this rubbish about how terrible kf were and how they're now apparently plotting the downfall of funi from their secret lair inside a hollow volcano is seriously the stupidest thing I've heard in ages.
There's no question that as far as America is concerned they're no longer needed, funi's dvd releases are excellent.
Wasn't on the dvd's at the time, or ever? Was it an soundtrack only release?
Regardless of how you feel about this, any group who purposely defiles the original work of the studio to their own gain and for no good reason, and goes out of there way to release episodes already out for legal sale doesn't deserve respect.
Anyhow, I just needed to reply to all this, but I think we should try and move on now. So where'd we leave off? Family ending? Anyone else pumped to be able to soon replace the TV Skypiea episodes with official DVD releases in only a few voyages?
I'm pretty sure FUNi will add the Family song somehow, maybe by way of extra or something (if that special ending was indeed not part of the actual episode).
I'm pretty sure they'd want us to hear it if they went through the trouble of dubbing it.
That is the kind of thinking that is going to lead to disappointment.
I don't expect it to appear until they do TV special 2. If they do somehow get the video and all for the one that played during Alabasta, then I will be pleasantly surprised, but I am not going to hold them to it.
Now I must have missed this. What exactly was edited?
Yes, really. This is what his eyecatcher actually looked like on the first two sets.
@The:
"Black Star, I'm a kusarigama!"/"Let's go look for the Afreet eggs"
"Kid, don't you wanna be a great shinigami?"And, there's the annoying 'Lyrics in eng-japanese-eng-japanese-eng' thing.
…I... really don't see the problem with the "Afreet eggs"-thing, and the kusarigama-thing could be justified by saying that Tsubaki is clearly a "Japanese" character. And having translated song-lyrics one episode and Japanese the next… I've never particularly cared for it, but I really don't see any need to complain about that.
I mean, aren't there people complaining that FUNi uses "Too Many Swear Words" Now? (despite the fact that K-F and Gerusama were always FAR raunchier than ANYTHING FUNi has done… Usopp's "SHUT THE FUCK UUUUUP!" to Franky...)
…Actually, I seem to recall the characters throwing some sort of curse like, every other minute in FUNi's dub of the fight against Buggy. I can't remember any of the fansubs (except maybe ADC's) being that bad… And I can't remember any other times when Gerusama "spiced up the subs" other than the one that you mentioned, and honestly, considering how pissed off Usopp was when he said that, the "Shut the fuck up"-translation was actually perfectly fitting.
If this was real life.
But this is One Piece. F-Bombs should not be in this show, regardless of the situation.