Is it conform now that Fishmen/Mermaid age differently than humans?
Er, now? Hatchan just looked young for his age.
Jinbei's current age is confirmed by Oda to be 46. In the flashback he's 31. How is it different than how humans age?
Is it conform now that Fishmen/Mermaid age differently than humans?
Er, now? Hatchan just looked young for his age.
Jinbei's current age is confirmed by Oda to be 46. In the flashback he's 31. How is it different than how humans age?
Hodi's gang was tiny and they were 15.
What I wanted to choose wasn't one of the options :( I predict that after kicking dekken butt, luffy will flirt with every mermaid, including shirahoshi and get all the merman jealous and thats what will cause the chaos in fishmen island.
On an unrelated subject, let me just say how sick I am of peoples' "Hodi got beat with one slash = he's a terrible villain" sentiments. Hodi's one of my favourite villains and it's such a shame to see people only concerned with the strength of a villain in determining how good a villain they are. Of course he's not going to be much of a challenge when it comes down to raw force and speed, the Straw Hats have just spent two years training (Zoro under the world's greatest swordsman). Oda's not gonna have the New Fishman Pirates push them to the brink immediately; think about how Luffy demolished the Pacifista with a single Jet Pistol, and how Zoro did not only that but split an entire ship in half with a single slice, just as Mihawk did with the Dreadnought Sabre. Hodi isn't gonna dominate Zoro, even if it's underwater, without any boosts.
Of course, this is why the Energy Steroid exists; it seems really similar to Gear 2 in that it provides a huge strength boost with adverse effects on the user's lifespan. And this really excellently describes the radical, fundamentalist aspects of Hodi's (and his companions', as far as we can tell) mind. Hodi isn't dangerous because of his fighting ability alone, he's not dangerous simply because of his unaided physical strength. He's dangerous because, as Zeo said in their introduction, they don't care about losing their lives; when somebody is literally and unabashedly willing to die for a cause, to be a martyr for what they believe, that's when they're the most dangerous. And not only that, but Hodi makes a really interesting dichotomy with Arlong; Hodi cherishes his ideals greatly but unlike him has no care for his former crewmates, and I think Oda made an effort to show that. It was Keimi, I think, that said Hodi's mind is more dangerous than his strength, and I like that idea when it comes to a villain; it's different.
And as we've seen, Hodi has a pretty quick way to rectify his relatively tepid strength, which in its lifespan-reducing quality also shows his complete and utter devotion to the cause of Fishman superiority (if Hodi does fight Luffy I hope to see him hopped up on dozens of Energy Steroid pills).The New Fishman Pirates and their campaign against Otohime's ideas really display for the first time a fight for the soul of a nation, and not something they need to rely on physical prowess for, which is in terms of a story a bit of a relief and a refreshment.
I'm not saying everybody love Hodi or anything like that, I can understand why people wouldn't like him; I just want people to look past his physical strength (and his speed, which is an even worse factor to judge with) and consider the other parts of his character when it comes to judging him and what kind of villain he is.
Gotta agree with czech. When Luffy give's himself a steroid-like boost with his DF ability in order to beat strong opponents, we all praise him. When Hodi does the same thing with ES's, we call him pathetic fodder. Without Gear 2 Luffy would not have been able to defeat many of the enemies he encountered. It hardly makes him pathetic. If Hodi has the will to endure the strain that ES's put on his body then isn't that worth noting?
@Mr.:
Gotta agree with czech. When Luffy give's himself a steroid-like boost with his DF ability in order to beat strong opponents, we all praise him. When Hodi does the same thing with ES's, we call him pathetic fodder. Without Gear 2 Luffy would not have been able to defeat many of the enemies he encountered. It hardly makes him pathetic. If Hodi has the will to endure the strain that ES's put on his body then isn't that worth noting?
Err. Czech in some ways right but a piller popper is different then a self-sacrificing martial art technique. I agree that Hodi deserves attention and is an interesting character, but his strength is a legit issue.
What makes Hodi interesting is right now, in terms of characters he's either the arc villain or equal to Wyper and his men. Remember them? Those underdeveloped characters that only fought for a little while before losing to showcase greater fighters? Unless Hodi's men get a few more scenes they seem a lot like that, and the steroids either hurt or help their case. We have to wait and see whether or not Hodi's men use those pills to rival the Strawhats or fail to some far greater force.
Err. Czech in some ways right but a piller popper is different then a self-sacrificing martial art technique. I agree that Hodi deserves attention and is an interesting character, but his strength is a legit issue.
What makes Hodi interesting is right now, in terms of characters he's either the arc villain or equal to Wyper and his men. Remember them? Those underdeveloped characters that only fought for a little while before losing to showcase greater fighters? Unless Hodi's men get a few more scenes they seem a lot like that, and the steroids either hurt or help their case. We have to wait and see whether or not Hodi's men use those pills to rival the Strawhats or fail to some far greater force.
Well I'm fairly sure they'll get more scenes. We've just barely gotten into the FI arc.
I agree with you on the Hodi thing. I hadn't thought about it before of why I wasn't impressed. It's because:
He's a Fishmen he's already strong. It's more impressive that characters like Sanji and Zoro can be just as destructive and they are only human.
As you stated it's a different thing all together when you look at Hodi's pills and Luffy's Gear. It's a huge boost to their fighting but for Luffy he's not ingesting anything foreign to his body. The closest Luffy came to Hodi's style was when he was Hell bent on saving Ace and kept getting hormone jumps that were supposedly shaving off years from his life span from Iva.
Hard to say what Hodi's role will actually be at this point. We only got a small taste of a brawl and motivation for his actions but then we got thrown into a flashback.
Random theory: (Zoro is part merman, when the flashback ends he'll think he's drowning and realize he can breathe just fine). :ninja:
Maybe (but very doubtful) the NFP and VDD went to capture the palace first because in the prison/dungeon is the fisman who assassinated queen Otohime. A fisman who is really strong and hates humans more than any other and so they've gone to free him and he'll be the main villain for this arc. I know it's highly unlikely so don't go hating me for it lol.
Keep in mind, essentially humans are always going to be playing catch-up to fishmen. They're already at least 10x stronger than humans, so to me seeing Zoro cut Hodi like that (under water no less where fishmen are supposed to be exponentially stronger and humans themselves get weaker) says more about Zoro's new strength than it does Hodi's lack of strength. I think it was more Hodi overestimating himself, being under water, surrounded by his crew cheering him on, against a human. He probably thought Zoro was another pee-on and before he knew it, he was sushi.
One thing we realy need to see more of: fishwomen. We've seen male and female mermaids, but fishwomen, outside of the one CB has an avie, I never remember seeing one, or at least one not way back in the background where I missed them completely.
@i:
Keep in mind, essentially humans are always going to be playing catch-up to fishmen. They're already at least 10x stronger than humans, so to me seeing Zoro cut Hodi like that (under water no less where fishmen are supposed to be exponentially stronger and humans themselves get weaker) says more about Zoro's new strength than it does Hodi's lack of strength. I think it was more Hodi overestimating himself, being under water, surrounded by his crew cheering him on, against a human. He probably thought Zoro was another pee-on and before he knew it, he was sushi.
Exactly. Hodi obviously really underestimated Zoro, who's already really damn fast (remember the hit he scored on Kuma at Thriller Bark?) and we've hardly seen a character who can take a direct hit from Zoro and not be out of action for even a little bit. Hodi's not a weakling at all; even without the ES he shattered the castle wall with one hand, and as Usopp said Arlong's true power is no match for him. It just so happens that the Straw Hats have been training hardcore for two years, so Oda's not gonna have their raw strength rivaled by somebody else so soon.
@No:
One thing we realy need to see more of: fishwomen. We've seen male and female mermaids, but fishwomen, outside of the one CB has an avie, I never remember seeing one, or at least one not way back in the background where I missed them completely.
Hehe I agree completely. I'm still hoping Octopako will make an appearance within this arc.
It's kinda sad both the Sun Pirates as well as the New Fishman Pirates are all male groups.
It would be amazing if the major villain in this arc was female.
Hell let's look at last arc.
There was not one female commander in the WB Pirates and the only female member of the giant squad, and assuming she is a Vice Admiral the second female Vice Admiral in the series, remains nameless why the two guys who already had their names revealed got them revealed again in Green.
There was a female commander in the WB group. Icebreaker…something. And I'm spacing but there's a really old lady that outranks the Admirals too.
Whitey Bay was Whitebeard's ally.
Tsuru is a Vice Admiral, she's below the Admirals. She's only present at affairs with higher-ups because she's a great tactician.
Whitey Bay was Whitebeard's ally.
Tsuru is a Vice Admiral, she's below the Admirals. She's only present at affairs with higher-ups because she's a great tactician.
One: I said WB Commanders
Two: I said two.
Vice Admiral Tsuru?
I was talking to Cyclone_Baroness, not you, No Maam.
Oh okay. Kind of hard to notice that without any quotes :P
Ah thank you. How could I forget this awesome old bitch.
I realized that after posting, my fault. XD
@No:
It's kinda sad both the Sun Pirates as well as the New Fishman Pirates are all male groups.
This reminds me. When the fights come up…who's Nami going to fight? 2/3 times she always fights the girl of the group and we have a lot of possible opponents so it's weird there's no obvious matchup.
Now I publicly hope that one of these fishmen are secretly a female and that this will be the lead to many hilarious jokes.
Edit: Aw damn, I just noticed none of the New Fishman Pirates are wearing shirts, so that joke is impossible.
This reminds me. When the fights come up…who's Nami going to fight? 2/3 times she always fights the girl of the group and we have a lot of possible opponents so it's weird there's no obvious matchup.
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16 Characters of Madam Shirley :P
I sort of fail to see how and why she would do that :P
anybody want to theorize on why jinbei doesnt want luffy to fight hodi / why keimi notes his mind is more dangerous than his strength?
anybody want to theorize on why jinbei doesnt want luffy to fight hodi / why keimi notes his mind is more dangerous than his strength?
I think that because Jinbei know that defeating Hodi will just deepen Fishmen insecurities and hate towards human.
My theory is: Luffy will win the heart of new fishmen pirates. It is entirely different when he defeat Arlong (every fishmen is evil and got punched), now he will win not by his strength, but by his character / attitude.
I think Luffy should already develop his CHARACTER (and not just his power) to become the next Pirate King.
So if his leadership, charisma and judgment should already developed during his two years training, he will win the heart of new fishmen pirate, and unite all fishmen and merman, and their view toward human.
That just my theory though.
anybody want to theorize on why jinbei doesnt want luffy to fight hodi / why keimi notes his mind is more dangerous than his strength?
I highly doubt it's because Jinbei thinks that Luffy isn't strong enough seeing as Zoro gravely wounded him with a simple slash attack. His mind is probably more dangerous because of his intentions such as taking over fishman island and his hatred towards humans.
Also luffy will probably destroy fishman island because Hodi's crew has done something to it and it's for the greater good, and that crazy gypsy lady has just seen it wrong.
I highly doubt it's because Jinbei thinks that Luffy isn't strong enough seeing as Zoro gravely wounded him with a simple slash attack.
But Jinbei didn't knew this.
anybody want to theorize on why jinbei doesnt want luffy to fight hodi / why keimi notes his mind is more dangerous than his strength?
I think that more than Jinbe doesn't want Luffy to fight Hodi..is just because Hodi is a problem Jinbe create himself probably because he and Arlong were heroes for Hodi and what he did during his pirate period and what behaviour Arlong had forge the kid's mind.
As i see it Hodi used to admire Jinbe (and Arlong) and he decided to follow Jinbe step enrolling himself into the army.
But after Arlong was expelled by Jinbe (and gaining a shichibukai seat). He probably see Jinbe as a traitor against his race.
Which have lead him to give up on being a palace soldier and trying to revive Arlong will. (so this is a problem Jinbe create and he probably want to resolve himself and surely involving a human into this isn't a good way to solve it).
Well that's how Sue see it ;).
I really don't think Hodi admires Jinbe.
I really don't think Hodi admires Jinbe.
Well, i didn't say i was right;). I have just try to give a plausible answer to a question.
But , if i remember correctly Hodi have admired the sun pirates which have include in a certain time Jinbe.
I highly doubt it's because Jinbei thinks that Luffy isn't strong enough seeing as Zoro gravely wounded him with a simple slash attack. His mind is probably more dangerous because of his intentions such as taking over fishman island and his hatred towards humans.
I agree with Luffy intentionally destroy fishmen island. I cannot vote on it though :(
And reading about Hodi mind, that make me speculate.. maybe Luffy will defeat Hody's mind? Change his perspective and hate towards human??
BTW I really like this "circle of hate/insecurities between human and fishmen" theme. It is real.
Oda is a genius :)
I think Luffy will have to fight Hodi when he take too much pills and is too powerful for anyone else to defeat. Later after he's been beat by Luffy, and the pills have worn off and left him either severely weakened or dis-configured, Jinbe will defeat him in front of the rest of the island.
yeah, I agree. I don't see Luffy just defeating Hodi like any other villain with all this hate for humans going on. Defeating Hodi would prove absolutely nothing more than defeating Arlong did. There has to be something more to this.
anybody want to theorize on why jinbei doesnt want luffy to fight hodi / why keimi notes his mind is more dangerous than his strength?
Jinbe wanting to handle Hodi as a problem he created makes the most sense to me as well. It might not be that Jinbe was admired/respected by Hodi, but the Sun Pirates definitely were admired by the kiddie crew-to-be from the Fishman District. If Jinbe attributes the mistelling of Tiger's Death/Legacy as something that he should/could have prevented, then it's very likely that he also sees the continued cycle of Fishmen hating humans through the New pirate groups as something he caused - or more failed to prevent.
Of course, that is with me assuming that after Tiger's death (and Arlong's most recent predicament), Jinbe became the acting leader for the Sun Pirates. If not, then perhaps it's something else altogether? So much uncertainty makes the discussion fun, doesn't it?
And I'm not going to even comment on Hodi's mind just yet. I want to see more of him before that - maybe some inbetween from being a kid and his current would help.
I'm trying to get a good grasp of what's to come. It's a little tough to say at this point, especially with the whole island being destroyed by the hands of Luffy. Luffy usually leaves each island in a better state than when he entered it, so it's a little confusing. Anyways, Caribou it seems is essential to the whole plot about how humans can be despicable. We have Caribou kidnapping many mermaids, and it seems he's stocking up quite a bit. He probably still is off panel. It won't take long before even Hodi understands what's going on. The more Caribou kidnaps, the more suspicious things will get, especially if the SH's are seen to be having their hands full with their own set of problems. Blame will have to lie elsewhere. Perhaps the final straw will be when Shirahoshi is kidnapped, where Luffy will have to be involved. We may even see Hodi and his gang try and fail to defeat Caribou. But something of further interest has yet to come about and that is Robin's future findings. So it's the combination of Caribou, Robin's findings, and the general plot (humans vs fishmen) that will determine the rest of the arc I believe. I don't really think that destroying the island has anything to do with Hodi or Dekken. They're small potatoes. Luffy can defeat them if he really needs to without destroying the island. As for Caribou, it could be possible that destroying the island could be useful so as to capture him if he is hiding. And he could probably hide pretty well given his abilities. Or it's possible that destroying the island is connected to Robin's findings. In general, if Luffy defeats Caribou, while saving all the kidnapped mermaids including Shirahoshi, the island's inhabitants will glorify Luffy as a human. This in turn could turn many fishmen to have faith in starting communications with humans above, so as to make them aware of their existence, and the best person to start this would be Shirahoshi I guess. I guess Oda could during the remaining part of the arc, encourage her to take a stand and create a dream for herself, (like her mother's dream).
^I could see that, the only problem is that Caribou is pretty weak to be the final boss for an arc.
^I could see that, the only problem is that Caribou is pretty weak to be the final boss for an arc.
I'm not so sure there will be a physical Final Boss to this arc moreso a psychological one where the people start to understand the Queens position more and take up that challange.
This isn't the arc to have the SH's fighting till almost dead they only just got back together. They're well rested and all old wounds healed so to speak. If they end up a bloody mess at the end of this arc I will be surprised.
True, but there's no need to destroy an entire island just to get one weak dude.
True, but there's no need to destroy an entire island just to get one weak dude.
No but if Shirly is to be believed and that the Island WILL be destroyed I still think it's not going to become evident as to why until 1 chapter. If anything I think the Volcano both VDD and the SH's fled might have some part to play - and if the Residents refuse to leave, Luffy has shown time and time again if people are throwing their lives away for an object he'll destroy it to Make them move on.
Well if you bring the volcano in it's a completely different story.
Well if you bring the volcano in it's a completely different story.
Well it's not exactly going anywhere - and also seemed a little odd to be thrown in as "just" a reason to not get too involved in VDD at the time.
I'm reading one of the Japanese One Piece blogs I visit regularly, noticed an observation that I haven't seen anywhere else.
In chapter 622, Otohime says even if it's impossible right now, perhaps we may be able to join Reverie 7 years, 11 years, even 15 years later.
A lot of people wondered why these numbers?
Well the blogger speculates that this means Reverie, the World Council Meeting of Kings, is held every four years.
And since she didn't say 8, 12, 16, it would mean this is taking place a year after the last Reverie.
That makes perfect sense.
Also, I know this was explained in some fashion, but I doubt a majority of the kids reading Jump will know exactly what the "Reverie" is.
Hell I'm not 100 % certain myself.
@No:
Also, I know this was explained in some fashion, but I doubt a majority of the kids reading Jump will know exactly what the "Reverie" is.
Hell I'm not 100 % certain myself.
There's none of that problem in Japanese.
Because the word is written as "World Council Meeting", with "Reverie" placed on it as how to read it.
It's called "rubi", placing how to read a kanji in hiragana over it, and is also often used to send double meaning of a word easily.
I'm reading one of the Japanese One Piece blogs I visit regularly, noticed an observation that I haven't seen anywhere else.
In chapter 622, Otohime says even if it's impossible right now, perhaps we may be able to join Reverie 7 years, 11 years, even 15 years later.
A lot of people wondered why these numbers?Well the blogger speculates that this means Reverie, the World Council Meeting of Kings, is held every four years.
And since she didn't say 8, 12, 16, it would mean this is taking place a year after the last Reverie.That makes perfect sense.
This sounds very reasonable to me, and I don't think I was even aware of those year numbers.
The one line that stuck out to me looking back through cnet's translations is that she said one was occurring later this year, 16 years ago. That would imply that the next one will happen in the current year of the story, which would only make sense.
Also, No Maam, I believe stephen translated reverie as "meeting of kings" back in drum, and I sincerely hope I'm not mistaken about this.