@Lazy:
Would it be lame if JoyBoy was Roger? I mean, he could write a Poneglyph, it would explain why this one is different from the rest…
urouge already coverd that
well atleast fisman island is done for now I give it 5 chapters top
@Lazy:
Would it be lame if JoyBoy was Roger? I mean, he could write a Poneglyph, it would explain why this one is different from the rest…
urouge already coverd that
well atleast fisman island is done for now I give it 5 chapters top
I don't know. Fishman Island still doesn't feel really concluded to me. There's still the reverie(though that's not going to take place in FI). Aren't there still a bunch of fishmen upset? They still need to go up. They still have to deal with actual racial issues with humans once they go up. ….Basically, while this is a satisfying conclusion to this part, it still only feels like a step to truly being able to integrate with others.
its time to predict the next arc
F.I. Part II.
Next arc? Well that's hard to tell. I personally think Fishman Island is over, but who knows with all the talk and foreshadowing of the Reverie, there might be a continuation with the FI stuff.
I supect the next arc wll be Reverie.Although it wont have anything to do with the Shs and more with Info.The real NW arc starts after that.I have a very strong feeling the next island they visit is that lightning island in Nw and it will be the firts arc leading to a meeting with Big Mam
What's left on FI should be a little more explanation on the stuff with Noah / Joy Boy, party, seeing the Dojo and dealing with Caribou whether through beating him up before he leaves or finding out where he went.
….Basically, while this is a satisfying conclusion to this part, it still only feels like a step to truly being able to integrate with others.
I'm pretty sure the point of this chapter's narrative and title is that the road to integration (The Path Towards the Sun) hasn't been traveled yet, but it's beginning right here with the transfusion between Jinbe and Luffy. What Fukaboshi refers to as "Zero" is the start of that road. Of course integration isn't there yet, it'll take a long time, but the defeat of the NFP and Luffy saving the island (and Jinbe giving him blood) is what is setting them down the beginning of that road.
Okay I recntly was reading through the chapter and the correct trans and I ahave to say there was a lot more information given here than just the fact Jimbei is jioning.
For starters the seakings conversation.They let us know
**1.**Noah was made to be pulled by Seakings
2.Luffy is awakening a power similar to Roger
3.Noah can only be repaired with the power of "That family" but times have changed.(Im guessing the family in question might be the Family of D and times changing must be a reference to
**4.**The seakings hope Noah is fixed before the promised time.We can assume it has to do with promise with Joyboy.
I suspect we wont find out anymore about Joyboy in this arc though.Oda is just going to keep it a mystery slolly revealing more about the void century asthe crew progresses.
Nevertheless we have a bunch of new info about the void century
The other important Info was the Castle theft.I had assumed that it was caribou who stole the Castle treatures and the Urashima casket but im not so sure now.
1.Why would caribou leave the mermids behind?He apparently has an infinite Df
**2.**The ministers said whoever stole the casket was waiting for absence at the castle.This doesnt sound like Caribou-sounds like someone who knew there was a rebellion coming.
So uou see there is more to this chap Jimbei jioning.
Okay I recntly was reading through the chapter and the correct trans and I ahave to say there was a lot more information given here than just the fact Jimbei is jioning.
For starters the seakings conversation.They let us know
**1.**Noah was made to be pulled by Seakings
2.Luffy is awakening a power similar to Roger
3.Noah can only be repaired with the power of "That family" but times have changed.(Im guessing the family in question might be the Family of D and times changing must be a reference to
**4.**The seakings hope Noah is fixed before the promised time.We can assume it has to do with promise with Joyboy.I suspect we wont find out anymore about Joyboy in this arc though.Oda is just going to keep it a mystery slolly revealing more about the void century asthe crew progresses.
Nevertheless we have a bunch of new info about the void century
The other important Info was the Castle theft.I had assumed that it was caribou who stole the Castle treatures and the Urashima casket but im not so sure now.1.Why would caribou leave the mermids behind?He apparently has an infinite Df
**2.**The ministers said whoever stole the casket was waiting for absence at the castle.This doesnt sound like Caribou-sounds like someone who knew there was a rebellion coming.
So uou see there is more to this chap Jimbei jioning.
i agree even i don't think its caribou who stole the treasure I think he was in the castle originally to try and steal some treasure but someone else was already there stealing it and he beat up caribou so that he coughed out the mermaids. I'm not sure if its true but its definitely a possibility.
All the treasure in the castle was likely more valuable than the mermaids, so I'm assuming Caribou just found that a better option than getting involved in the slave trade.
All the treasure in the castle was likely more valuable than the mermaids, so I'm assuming Caribou just found that a better option than getting involved in the slave trade.
You mean a guy like caribou??? DO you see him as the non-greedy type? im not saying its not a possibility. You can't be sure if it was caribou or someone else. It could be anything.
All the treasure in the castle was likely more valuable than the mermaids, so I'm assuming Caribou just found that a better option than getting involved in the slave trade.
He'd just give up his goals like that? Sounds more like some thing Nami would doXD Ooh maybe we will see Nami V.S Caribou? She wouldn't let some one who has treasure get away like that. Ooh who am I kidding, I don't think she'd be able to take some one like this guy on, even if he does seem like a joke we all know what type he is. Luffy V.S Caribou it is, even if not at this time.
I'm still curious about this destroying the island bit, maybe Luffy really won't do it and proove not every thing is written in stone just yet.
Ask for if the arc is over or not, I agree with the others, what is left? Not much. Just moving on, I assume will see Smoker and Cobey next and than New World.
DO you see him as the non-greedy type?
He'd just give up his goals like that?
What?
Caribou's goal is money. He planned on selling the mermaids for a fortune. What I'm saying is that the amount of treasure in the castle was very likely worth much more than the mermaids he kidnapped, and without having to get involved in the slave trade. There's no charity there, no giving up of his goals, it's just an easier way to get money, which seems to fit with his character.
What?
Caribou's goal is money. He planned on selling the mermaids for a fortune. What I'm saying is that the amount of treasure in the castle was very likely worth much more than the mermaids he kidnapped, and without having to get involved in the slave trade. There's no charity there, no giving up of his goals, it's just an easier way to get money, which seems to fit with his character.
hmm i saw him like a guy who tried to get whatever he got his hands on.
I'm so confu… nevermind I was wondering how the mermaids were you know alive in the swamp but then I thought "hey! they are mermaids" Also moving away from that...why does Caribou's swamp powers... look nothing like a swamp in the anime and kind of looks unrealistic in the manga too.
hmm i saw him like a guy who tried to get whatever he got his hands on.
He's not stupid. He's actually a clever, scheming guy. When his crew disappeared and he found himself alone, he realised he couldn't take on all of the Strawhats by himself and tried talking his way out, surviving. Intentionally hiding his DF power to free himself later. Then schemed to murder them in their sleep when they can't defend themselves - but seeing that he can't steer the ship himself and how skillful the SHs are, he waited. He even planned for Luffy, Sanji and Zoro to get lost when showing them how the bubble suits worked. On FI, he kept himself hidden.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is that he's definitely more the guy to abandon the trouble of having to sell the mermaids and go back to Shabondy where he's likely to get noticed, and instead takes the easy way to get money. Plus he's less likely to have Neptune's army after him, although he couldn't know that for sure.
All the treasure in the castle was likely more valuable than the mermaids, so I'm assuming Caribou just found that a better option than getting involved in the slave trade.
I don't know if this has already been brought up but I suspected that Caribou got his hands on the Tamatebako:
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3.Noah can only be repaired with the power of "That family" but times have changed.(Im guessing the family in question might be the Family of D and times changing must be a reference to
I think it could also be referring to Tom's family tree. I mean didn't he say it was passed down for centuries?
It's just a hunch, but i think it's plausible.
I think it could also be referring to Tom's family tree. I mean didn't he say it was passed down for centuries?
It's just a hunch, but i think it's plausible.
That would make sense
Also on a wider note I don't see the WG accepting the inhabitants of Fishman Island…I think their future is with the RA
That would make sense
Also on a wider note I don't see the WG accepting the inhabitants of Fishman Island…I think their future is with the RA
Well the Elder Stars seem to be for it and they are at the top of it all. At least they want piece between races that's for sure.
The WG is going full-force against the pirates in the New World now. They wouldn't want to open a second front against the Fishmen, especially if Shirahoshi's powers are revealed.
We'll see how it plays out…I'm fine either way
Franky : Don't be silly.. Don't assume you can make me your nakama just by taking my pants!
Brook : Yes, very well then..
Jinbe : . . . .
So,Luffy didnt have to result to killing anyone,like was originally thought.
People are forgetting this page here
Let's not forget that Oda mentioned that Shirely is actually Arlong's sister out of the blue (For a reason I'm sure) Also, the absence of Aladdin. He was introduced for a reason too.
Fishman Island is far from finished, and Jinbe still have a high possibility of joining, his "duty" might have something to do with his Crew (Aladdin) or Arlong.
Well, I don't think this arc is far from finishing. The after-party pretty much gives it a feeling of an ending, the few chapters to come will probably be more of a closure. Similar to the chapters that follows after the party at W7, or TB.
There are a few things that need to be cleared up
-fishman karate dojo
-jinbe's duty and, probably an unknown part of his past.
-cariboo and the tamatebako
-How the first vander decken ties with shirahosi's prophecy
-what will happen with noah?
-who exactly was joyboy?(although this one could be adressed later on the series)
-who is the person who shall come back to fulfill the promise?
-the origin of the Energy Steroids
-reverie, sunny eve tree, whereabouts of jinbe's former crew, koala, ¿macro?, (they could be also adressed later)
IIRC Den was doing some kind of research about the sea forest, maybe it has some importance.
Thinking about where the story goes from here. My initial impressions were that Fishman Island was going to have to live up to some very lofty expectations created by the author's own foreshadowing. So I figured it'd have to be a relatively massive and layered saga, that goes really big on an OP world scale, so I figured that it would be a springboard for Mariejoa, much like Water 7 was for Enies Lobby or to a lesser degree Amazon Lily was for ID/MF. Exploring any WG controlled area requires Oda to take such an approach to the story, otherwise he can't draw his beloved party scenes. And now as we sit upon the precipice of a shift of locales, the logic still seems correct to me. After all, Fishman Island has gone virtually the name number of chapters that Water 7 part 1 ran.
Oda's not blind to the fact that he's been hyping this island forever. He's also not blind to the fact that the villains the crew tore through were subpar and that it's only ran for a year. So taking that all into account, I have to think this is only the first half of a larger saga. Really, the first thing that's happened that's significant on a worldwide scale is the reveal that Shirahoshi is Poseidon this week.
I sure hope so. I'd love for Jinbe's duty be something similar to what Tiger did on marijois so long ago. Knocking out 2 of my birds with one stone.
I don't want a Reverie arc to happen now. First, I (as well as Oda) am anxious to see the New World. Secondly, assuming Reverie is as important as it sounds, and Mariejois is as important as it sounds, it seems impossible for the Strawhat crew to raid it in any form of successful manner.
Only if it was a smash 'n' grab of slaves, and pretty covert, could I see it happening.
I hope they raid next year's Reverie (is it every year or every ten years?) closer to the end of the series.
It would be a problem for both Alabasta and Fishman island if they went this year.
It's every 4 years. So whether the straw hats attend or not, it's going to be shown this year.
Assuming there's not another time-skip, yeah I guess I agree.
I still think Oda showing Reverie happening without the SH is more likely than them visiting any time soon. In fact, it would be better for the series if serious developments occured without the SH's being present.
There are many things they could discuss:
The return of the SH's - Important for the Celestial Dragons, and interesting for the Kings that SH's have met (Wapol, Cobra, Neptune)
The Fishman Island Petition - Probably a bad outcome for the fishmen
Revolutionaries and what they've been up to
The big 'change' in the marines
It could also be where Oda updates us on what BB, Yonkou and the Supernovas have been up to in the last two years. If it's held every four years, then that's something the last two years is something they would discuss.
The Reverie is better without them. This will be used in order to gain greater knowledge of the current state/status of the world. My hope is that a Reverie like meeting is eventually called in response to a growing threat later in the series, whether it is caused by SHs, Dragon and co., Blackbeard, etc. At this juncture, I could see the crew attack Mariejois.
Hopefully we will learn more about the Gorosei, if they are present at such a meeting.
@Lazy:
Hopefully we will learn more about the Gorosei, if they are present at such a meeting.
They weren't present the first time we saw Reverie, but it's certain they will have some involvement.
@Lazy:
I don't want a Reverie arc to happen now. First, I (as well as Oda) am anxious to see the New World. Secondly, assuming Reverie is as important as it sounds, and Mariejois is as important as it sounds, it seems impossible for the Strawhat crew to raid it in any form of successful manner.
Only if it was a smash 'n' grab of slaves, and pretty covert, could I see it happening.
I hope they raid next year's Reverie (is it every year or every ten years?) closer to the end of the series.
It would be a problem for both Alabasta and Fishman island if they went this year.
No, thats just what it needs. It would be amazing for the second half of one piece to kick off with an unbelievable raid on the Holy Land. It makes actually complete sense. It kind of reminds me how when I thought Impel Down and Marinford were not going to be visited or explored, but they were, right before they went under the redline. There were several characters revealed or "shadowed" right at the end of the pre-time skip. I feel like they need to be introduced now.
So many amazing things can happen here. IF this arc actually HAPPENS, I suspect it being a fairly large one at that. (60-70 more chapters at LEAST.) It would be amazing for Oda to break his arc structure and follow up a main arc like FI and continue it with a super arc like a Reverie.
Only time will tell however.
EDIT: What i REALLY want to see is how people get on top of Mariejoa. It sounds extremely interesting.
What purpose would the Straw Hats have going to Mariejois? The whole purpose of going to Fishman Island was to avoid the Holy Land.
I really hope Oda doesn't deter the story towards a long, unnecessary "raid the WG" arc. We'll have enough time to see Mariejois in the final battle against the World Government.
Let's just focus on the New World.
we wont be seeing a WG arc anytime soon, we just got through 2 major WG arcs. they went directly into the whitebeard war pretty much right after cp9 finished. we will see the WG in new world but they wont be such a main bad guy for a while. i hope they don't ever invade mariejois, there doesn't really seem to be a point to go there anymore and fight. the WG will pursue the strawhats, there is no need to goto such a pointless place to fight WG again.
What purpose would the Straw Hats have going to Mariejois?
there is no need to goto such a pointless place to fight WG again.
Haha.. Are you guys serious? Of course there isn't a reason/purpose…. Yet.
That's what I was saying. It's not the right time for the Straw Hats to storm into Mariejois.
It's just that some people are under the impression that the crew might make a detour there right after the Fishman Island arc, whether it's to chase after Caribou, attend the Reverie, etc.
That's what I was saying. It's not the right time for the Straw Hats to storm into Mariejois.
It's just that some people are under the impression that the crew might make a detour there right after the Fishman Island arc, whether it's to chase after Caribou, attend the Reverie, etc.
They either visit Mariejois now or at the end of the series. Its right above Fishman island. And Oda made a lot of notable remarks about Reverie happening soon.
It does not necessarily mean a bold invasion like Enies Lobby, maybe an infiltration or something covert. Of course there isn't a reason for them to go yet, but I doubt the Caribou issue is going to be solved on Fishman island. This arc has a lot of yet to be answered mysteries that I think are going to be revealed in a follow up arc ala Enies Lobby.
Don't be too surprised if they do visit Mariejois just as they surface. Just because we just got back from Marineford shouldn't mean much. Not saying it will happen, especially since there is no reason for them to go at the moment but there have been a few topics of interest that would just come off as odd if they were only completely resolved at the end of the series.
Constant mention of reverie being this year, even in the cover stories. I feel like Vivi is going to have some contact with the SHs soon.
The incidents from Luffy's flashback, the hidden King of Goa and the business that the Celestial Dragon had there. (this King is not being hidden until after Raftel)
Oda's constant secrecy of Robin's training and interactions with Dragon. They discussed Dragon several meetings ago, it's certain to be a hot topic again.
Twice Oda skipping Tiger's raid on Mariejois.
Otohime's signatures being put to use and if they are accepted at all for migration, you know the whole big point of the arc.
Shirahoshi being an ancient weapon is a big deal, I can't see that plot thread going any further without the SH involvement. I highly doubt it's going to be just left as it is with no major development before the crew leaves for their next destination.
@Lazy:
Assuming there's not another time-skip, yeah I guess I agree.
I still think Oda showing Reverie happening without the SH is more likely than them visiting any time soon. In fact, it would be better for the series if serious developments occured without the SH's being present.
There are many things they could discuss:
The return of the SH's - Important for the Celestial Dragons, and interesting for the Kings that SH's have met (Wapol, Cobra, Neptune)
The Fishman Island Petition - Probably a bad outcome for the fishmen
Revolutionaries and what they've been up to
The big 'change' in the marinesIt could also be where Oda updates us on what BB, Yonkou and the Supernovas have been up to in the last two years. If it's held every four years, then that's something the last two years is something they would discuss.
This.
I agree with everything you and MasterKingJC said. It makes more sense to show Reverie without the SH, since that would be the perfect opportunity to show the changes that have happened in the world, what some characters have been up to, new Yonkou, new Shichbukai and so on.
RomanceDawn, you made some valid points there, but I think some of these issues can be cleared later or not necessary in a Reverie arc.
I know what you're going to say, but what if Reverie doesn't happen right after this arc? We all know that it's going to happen this year, but maybe it doesn't happen immediately after FI, maybe in it's going to happen some 200 chapters later? :ninja:
I don't think Oda would have rushed the Fishman Island arc if the next arc did not take place in the New World.
why do you all seem to think fishman island was rushed, oda has done this before. its pretty much bellamy all over again. it was an arc to show how much the strawhats had powered up before moving on to new world.
why do you all seem to think fishman island was rushed, oda has done this before. its pretty much bellamy all over again. it was an arc to show how much the strawhats had powered up before moving on to new world.
But the difference is here that an arc like Jaya and Saboady for that matter had a faced paced feel because they were essentially introduction arcs to a larger narrative. Fishman Island is more of a stand alone arc but the first act where the protagonists were meant to establish the characteristics of the island was rushed in my opinion. Instead of learning about the place that the readers would also explore for the next 12 or so months, Oda skipped straight to the action with Hody but was stuck in a corner by not showing their powers until the penultimate fight scene.
You know what? I'm still wondering if Shirley's prediction is gonna come true during this aftermath. We saw her wondering if Luffy smashing the Noah is what she really foresaw, but I dunno, there's obviously still time for it to literally happen for whatever reason.
You know what? I'm still wondering if Shirley's prediction is gonna come true during this aftermath. We saw her wondering if Luffy smashing the Noah is what she really foresaw, but I dunno, there's obviously still time for it to literally happen for whatever reason.
Been wondering about this myself. The one to guide Shirahoshi to be able to use her powers already came to pass and I have to think that the "promised day" is very soon. Using Noah to take the entire FI population with it I could see being the result of Luffy some how destroying the island literally. That or a combination of he and Shirahoshi do it. There is something a little unsettling about the result of her prediction. I'd like Oda to follow up with a statement from her soon.