Well it's obvious Akainu would up the BB Pirate Crew strength exponentially. The real question is if it's feasible?
And that, my dear poster, seems unlikely.
Well it's obvious Akainu would up the BB Pirate Crew strength exponentially. The real question is if it's feasible?
And that, my dear poster, seems unlikely.
I would peg either Van Auger or Laffite as being the second in command. Although when Shanks' crew sent a message to Whitebeard, they did it with a low man on the totem pole, not with the second in command. But perhaps they had to send Laffite to the WG since he is obviously good at sneaking in places.
Yeah, BB used him most likely because he can fly..but it`s also a dangerous place for a pirate, so to send a guy who can protect himself there should be an obvious chose.
There is no "second in command" in Mugiwara crew, and so there is no one like that in Blackbeard Pirates as well.
firstmates are for loosers
I think none of the old BB pirates are feasible to be vice captain. When compared to the new recruits, Lafitte, Van Auger, Doc Q and Burgess look kind of weak and we know the new ones are escaped lvl6 prisoners and Shiiliew was once their guard ans was probably able to kick Magellan's ass and even if it was a group effort they did say his strength was comparable to Magelan's. Which makes for a very powerful person. So I think he'll be vice-captain of the BB-pirates because of his strength, his ruthlessness and his cunning (which I guess he has). Also, as Cyan D. Funk already stated, it would be shilliew vs Zoro, vice vs vice
Also, Al!na, Zoro is second in command obviously, even though it is not stated.
No, Zoro is not second in command, Zoro is a swordsman/"combatant".
The only ever officially mentioned "first mate" position among Mugiwara crew was in Oda's original plan in Green and it was for Usopp. Zoro fans should stuck it up their asses. I'm sick of it.
I hear this one more time and I'll stat spamming Oda with SBS question to clear this up for all the fanboys once and for all.
@Al!naJames:
No, Zoro is not second in command, Zoro is a swordsman/"combatant".
The only ever officially mentioned "first mate" position among Mugiwara crew was in Oda's original plan in Green and it was for Usopp. Zoro fans should stuck it up their asses. I'm sick of it.I hear this one more time and I'll stat spamming Oda with SBS question to clear this up for all the fanboys once and for all.
Well it Started with Urouge Calling Zoro "First Mate", then Knowing that Roger had his First mate…
Whatever, I doubt anyone will join The BB Pirates....cause :
1 more BB nakama = 1 More SH nakama.
@Al!naJames:
No, Zoro is not second in command, Zoro is a swordsman/"combatant".
The only ever officially mentioned "first mate" position among Mugiwara crew was in Oda's original plan in Green and it was for Usopp. Zoro fans should stuck it up their asses. I'm sick of it.I hear this one more time and I'll stat spamming Oda with SBS question to clear this up for all the fanboys once and for all.
Sorry, but multiple indicators point to zoro as the first mate.
But go ahead and spam Oda. I'm sure he'll confirm it.
@Al!naJames:
No, Zoro is not second in command, Zoro is a swordsman/"combatant".
The only ever officially mentioned "first mate" position among Mugiwara crew was in Oda's original plan in Green and it was for Usopp. Zoro fans should stuck it up their asses. I'm sick of it.I hear this one more time and I'll stat spamming Oda with SBS question to clear this up for all the fanboys once and for all.
Zoro is second in command.
hides under a rock and giggles
So I think he'll be vice-captain of the BB-pirates because of his strength, his ruthlessness and his cunning (which I guess he has). Also, as Cyan D. Funk already stated, it would be shilliew vs Zoro, vice vs vice
That Zoro most likely will fight him is no compelling arguement for Shilliew being the second in command.
Zoro is the guy who fights the swordman, but this one doesnt have to be also the second in command. For example he also fighted Hatchan or Ryuuma, which weren
t second in command.
So thats not rly an arguememt for Shilliew to be in that position.
I love arguing about stupid things as much as the next guy but…
@Mr.:
Sorry, but multiple indicators point to zoro as the first mate.
But go ahead and spam Oda. I'm sure he'll confirm it.
Or not. Seriously, you see Zoro having the same commanding power with the rest of the crew than Rayleigh with Roger's crew ?
Well it Started with Urouge Calling Zoro "First Mate", then Knowing that Roger had his First mate…
As far as I know, the way Urouge said it in Japanese is different from how first-mate position is called. Ask Japanese-speaking people.@Don:
For example he also fighted Hatchan or Ryuuma, which weren`t second in command.
Funny as it is, Hatchan WAS vice-captain of Arlong Pirates, officially.
@Mr.:
Sorry, but multiple indicators point to zoro as the first mate.
But go ahead and spam Oda. I'm sure he'll confirm it.
Go on, name me a few.
In the recent chapter, Zoro was bashed by Usopp and Brook for over-doing the fighting. He's obviously second in power, but command? Usopp was way more commandy than Zoro, who nobody listened to. What kind of a vice-captain is that? He has no authority, he's just too full of hismelf to brag at other weaker members.
@Al!naJames:
Funny as it is, Hatchan WAS vice-captain of Arlong Pirates, officially.
Ha, I never knew that.
That's pretty surprising.
@Al!naJames:
Funny as it is, Hatchan WAS vice-captain of Arlong Pirates, officially.
I was thinking about including him to my examples but thought he and the other main Arlong-fighters were all just commanders.
But still with Ryuuma my point is still existing.
@Al!naJames:
No, Zoro is not second in command, Zoro is a swordsman/"combatant".
The only ever officially mentioned "first mate" position among Mugiwara crew was in Oda's original plan in Green and it was for Usopp. Zoro fans should stuck it up their asses. I'm sick of it.I hear this one more time and I'll stat spamming Oda with SBS question to clear this up for all the fanboys once and for all.
Why? So they'll be as butthurt as you? lol
Go ahead and spam Oda, if he answers I'm sure you won't be satisfied with what he says.
I'm pretty sure common sense says that Zoro's the first mate.
It may be more accurate to call Zoro Luffy's right-hand man rather than first mate, if we're going by the real-life definition of the word. Zoro isn't really 2nd-in-command, per se. He doesn't have the authority to boss the others around when Luffy isn't around. But if there comes a situation in which a designated leader becomes absolute imperative, where someone has to step up and act the part of the captain when Luffy himself can not… it's going to be Zoro. Thriller Bark really showed that, in my opinion, when Zoro was the one who took on Luffy's pain. Luffy had already pushed himself to the limit protecting the rest of the crew, so when he wasn't there to do it again it fell upon Zoro. Not because he really has the absolute authority to do so - Sanji had no qualms about trying to stop him - but simply because he's the one that will do it. He's Luffy's first and most trusted* crewmember.
IMO you might as well call him first mate, but eh. I can sort of see where Al!na is coming from, he isn't precisely second-in-command. I'm not sure if OP really uses the term first mate as such, though, I get the impression that it may just mean right-hand man.
*I know that Luffy trusts all of his crewmates completely. But I'm thinking of it in a "he expects Zoro to take care of the others almost as much as he counts on his own strength to do it" kind of way - the scene where Luffy found Zoro and the others defeated and Nami taken away in Skypiea and exclaims "How could this happen when you were here!?" was quite telling, to me.
I mean, I don't think real pirates cared who was second in command or third in command, all that matters was the captain, and then the underlings could fight it privately for hierachy…
But of course, this is One Piece and pirates are damn well organized... So I'd say Zoro is First Mate.
General Blackbeard? Doesn't he call himself Captain Blackbeard?
i lol'd, you're awesome.
if someone must be first mate it's zoro - even if i think ussop is sweet
but back to blackbeard guise?
@Al!naJames:
As far as I know, the way Urouge said it in Japanese is different from how first-mate position is called. Ask Japanese-speaking people.
Funny as it is, Hatchan WAS vice-captain of Arlong Pirates, officially.Go on, name me a few.
In the recent chapter, Zoro was bashed by Usopp and Brook for over-doing the fighting. He's obviously second in power, but command? Usopp was way more commandy than Zoro, who nobody listened to. What kind of a vice-captain is that? He has no authority, he's just too full of hismelf to brag at other weaker members.
-First to join crew
-second highest bounty
-tends to fight the second strongest
-the moment where he nearly killed himself after taking Luffy's pain suggests that he is the one that bears the most responcibility after the captain
-only one of the other crew members who is among the league of supernovas, and that's not just because of bounty amount. There's a reason why the rest of the crew weren't included among the rank of supernovas and still aren't (not yet at least, but if they do get past 100 million Luffy and Zoro will probably be above and beyond the "supernova" rank).
-He and Luffy are comparable to Rayleigh & Roger.
-You say he was berated by Usopp and Brook, but he has also berated Usopp on several occasions.
-Don't forget that Usopp actually left the crew once. How can someone like that be considered a first mate?
-Zoro was the one who stressed the importance of Usopp humbling himself to Luffy before he can be allowed to rejoin the crew. This shows that he has high standing in the crew.
-You imply that it's rare for someone of higher rank to be criticized by other crew members or lower ranking members, but it has happened many times.
SPOILER ALERT:
Marshall D. Teach is in the new Pirates movie.
There is no vice-captain in the strawhat crew. If people listen to Zoro, it's because he is right or because they didn't think about anything else to do, and not because he is the freaking vice-captain.
Tell me, if Oda didn't intend Zoro to be viewed as the first-mate, why did he give him Rayleigh's scar?
There is no vice-captain in the strawhat crew. If people listen to Zoro, it's because he is right or because they didn't think about anything else to do, and not because he is the freaking vice-captain.
Everybody says "just because this and just because that, doesn't mean he's the vice-captain". Does Oda need to clearly state it? People should be able to interpret it out of common sense for crying out loud. Don't these traits define what a vice-captain/first mate is? People may not listen to Zoro because of pecking order, but the fact that he is the one to tell them how to act when the captain isn't around clearly says that he is the vice-captain. The most recent chapter reinforces that notion seeing as how he was the one who handled the hostage situation and made the demands.
It all comes down to who is most fit to assume leadership in the captain's absence.
I just find it incredible that he gave Shanks a serious injury.
Considering, he is extremely careless (he get powned by everyone). SHanks has survived many duels with Mihawk who is deadly and precise.
Anyone has a theory ?
^It happened when Shanks was an apprentice on Roger's ship, and obviously much weaker than he is now, but Blackbeard could've been really strong even back then. That's the popular theory, as far as I know.
Oda seems to take a LOT of precautions (even the anime) about when Shanks got his scar.
I would say it actually happened when Shanks formed his crew and had duels with Mihawk. Besides, he used his past injury and Mihawk's name as reasons to persuade WB (the strongest man in the world) to let go of Teach.
Maybe it implies that SHanks was alreeady a formidable warrior.
Well, for the warning to make much sense it'd either have to be that Shanks was already strong when it happened, so that BB's accomplishment actually means something for what kind of a threat he could become in the future, or that Shanks possibly saw what was "odd" about Blackbeard's body in their scuffle and that's what made him so cautious about him. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, personally, though without going anywhere near the Cerberus-type theories I don't know what exactly that odd thing could be.
@Cyan:
Tell me, if Oda didn't intend Zoro to be viewed as the first-mate, why did he give him Rayleigh's scar?
If Oda intended Zoro to be viewed as the first mate, then why is Zoro never called that in the introduction pages of the tankobon? It always says "Luffy - Captain", "Zoro - COMBATANT". If Oda wants Zoro to be first mate why doesn't it say "Zoro - First Mate"?
There is no vice-captain in the strawhat crew. If people listen to Zoro, it's because he is right or because they didn't think about anything else to do, and not because he is the freaking vice-captain.
Quoted for great truth.
If Oda intended Zoro to be viewed as the first mate, then why is Zoro never called that in the introduction pages of the tankobon? It always says "Luffy - Captain", "Zoro - COMBATANT". If Oda wants Zoro to be first mate why doesn't it say "Zoro - First Mate"?
If Oda didn't Write this in his manga than i don't know who did.
Stephen's Script
Urouge: A second-in-command worth 120 million.
He doesn't look like the type to follow another man…
That tells you something about his captain...
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter499.txt
If Oda intended Zoro to be viewed as the first mate, then why is Zoro never called that in the introduction pages of the tankobon? It always says "Luffy - Captain", "Zoro - COMBATANT". If Oda wants Zoro to be first mate why doesn't it say "Zoro - First Mate"?
Quoted for great truth.
Quoted for greater ignorance.
See ApplSauce's post.
I swear, if Oda doesn't write it on the wall then some people will feel the need to claim it as false….
Well… If we can agree on anything... it's that Urouge was born with the perfect smile.
Well… If we can agree on anything... it's that Urouge was born with the perfect smile.
And Bonney is hot. And yeah, she got boob(all)s since she kicked BB.
Well… If we can agree on anything... it's that Urouge was born with the perfect smile.
And Bonney is hot. And yeah, she got boob(all)s since she kicked BB.
Don't forget Hawkins' wicked eyebrows. But I digress.
I think we can put the debate to rest since Urouge is never wrong. (the Urouge in OP, not the mod).
@Mr.:
Don't forget Hawkins' wicked eyebrows. But I digress.
I think we can put the debate to rest since Urouge is never wrong. (the Urouge in OP, not the mod).
We can but I doubt anyone actually will.
Despite that, Apoo for president.
If Oda intended Zoro to be viewed as the first mate, then why is Zoro never called that in the introduction pages of the tankobon? It always says "Luffy - Captain", "Zoro - COMBATANT". If Oda wants Zoro to be first mate why doesn't it say "Zoro - First Mate"?
Simply because you do not become first mate by joining first. It's a relation of trust, being reliable, and other things.
Back when Luffy fougth against Ussop at W7, if any other character would have said Zoro line to Luffy it wouldn't have the same impact on me.
EDIT
That, and stephen's quote from AppleSauce xD.
This debate is over, Zoro is first mate.
@Sonic:
This debate is over, Zoro is first mate.
Awww, but I really wanted to read their rebuttals….:getlost:
We need a new question when making a new account
is Zoro the first mate of the crew?
people who type no can't make a account lol.
@Sonic:
This debate is over, Zoro is first mate.
Why because someone, who knows nothing about the crew, said he was the second in power just because of his bounty ? If we go this way, Zorro is not the first mate, but the captain :
God the early scans are awkward.
@Monkey:
Why because someone, who knows nothing about the crew, said he was the second in power just because of his bounty ? If we go this way, Zorro is not the first mate, but the captain :
http://i20.mangareader.net/one-piece/108/one-piece-57384.jpg
Oh and There's more
And another
Ok than now Zoro is the Captain of the Mugiwara pirate crew….:ninja:
Edit:
Seriously though am done Talking about zoro in the BlackBeard Thread any further disagreements about Zoro's Second in command position and i will consider it trolling and you will not hear from me unless its in the proper thread.
Oh and There's more
http://i17.mangareader.net/one-piece/371/one-piece-1692791.jpg
And another
http://i6.mangareader.net/one-piece/387/one-piece-1694175.jpg
Ok than now Zoro is the Captain of the Mugiwara pirate crew….:ninja:
In none of those imagens they did in fact stated that he was the captain. Also we could believe that Oda can use other people speechs as indication, of course it's not a hundred percent sure, but we can.
It's worth to mention that Luffy's being the captain is something we know FER SURE and it wasn't never stated he wasn't so we could believe Zoro is indeed the first mate as long as someone on the crew clearly states he isn't. We can speculate because it wasn't denied yet.
Anyway, if we were to pick one of them to be first mate who would you think that'd act more like that? Zoro.
In none of those imagens they did in fact stated that he was the captain. Also we could believe that Oda can use other people speechs as indication, of course it's not a hundred percent sure, but we can.
It's worth to mention that Luffy's being the captain is something we know FER SURE and it wasn't never stated he wasn't so we could believe Zoro is indeed the first mate as long as someone on the crew clearly states he isn't. We can speculate because it wasn't denied yet.
Anyway, if we were to pick one of them to be first mate who would you think that'd act more like that? Zoro.
You should really read what Urouge Said
Urouge: A second-in-command worth 120 million.
He doesn't look like the type to follow another man…
That tells you something about his captain...
So far Everyone who has Seen Zoro For the First time Know and get the impression that he's a man Who will follow no one, And Can be a captain.
We have been watching him since chapter 3.... if people in the OP world who have gotten only a few panels worth of screen time know Zoro's Rank why don't you.
Why in the world would Oda have one of his characters say something like Zoro' is the Second in command when he isn't.
Imagine Sanji or any other Strawhat being in the Situation Zoro was in at The moment Urouge Said that, it wouldnt make sense...
Oda has clearly Established Zoro's positon as Second in command by having one of his Character state that Fact for us...
And that's pretty much what I said… I just also pointed out that it isn't set in stone yet.
Zoro is the VC, but its not official within the Crew.
:sad: No more of this you guys. The traits are clearly present. We don't need confirmation from Oda. Zoro=first mate and now we are moving on. Hear me?
Moving. On.