Yes, Mihawk is clearly stronger…. Its been said that they are rivals, however Shanks lost his arm.
Quoted by Mihawk, said to shanks
"I have no intention of fighting a one arm man"
Basically saying he's no longer a match for him, and he wouldnt want to waste his time. Mihawk is a beast, shanks stands no chance against him in my opinion.
Shanks uses a sword, does that automatically makes Mihawk stronger?
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@Final:
Yes, Mihawk is clearly stronger…. Its been said that they are rivals, however Shanks lost his arm.
Quoted by Mihawk, said to shanks
"I have no intention of fighting a one arm man"
Basically saying he's no longer a match for him, and he wouldnt want to waste his time. Mihawk is a beast, shanks stands no chance against him in my opinion.YOur weird and this theory really isn't worked up really well.
All you basically said is Mihawk is stronger than SHanks, with little or no reasons for that conclusion.
YOu should probably rethink and rewrite your theory.
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@Mr.:
YOur weird and this theory really isn't worked up really well.
All you basically said is Mihawk is stronger than SHanks, with little or no reasons for that conclusion.
YOu should probably rethink and rewrite your theory.Erm, easy there tiger , No need to jump at other people's opinion like that.
The theory he proposed makes sense since you DO lose advantage when you LOSE AN ARM. -
The Mihawk stronger than shanks theory is like a murder trial. All the evidence points towards guilty but their's that one person in the jury who won't have it, thinking that he/she is being framed.
I personally think Mihawk is stronger than shanks because all the evidence points towards it. But is shanks being framed? Has all this evidence just been given so that we are mislead?
Are you that one person in the jury?
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Erm, easy there tiger , No need to jump at other people's opinion like that.
The theory he proposed makes sense since you DO lose advantage when you LOSE AN ARM.**Exept for the fact that Oda himself said that shanks losing an arm did not effect his strengh. A warrior of his skill and capabilties should mereley have to adjust to his new style.
As for the actual topic, the only information we truly have is that Shanks swordsmanship is weaker than Mihawk's. He may still have an edge over him.**
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Like POlygon said thier is not enough evident that say MIhawk is stronger than Shanks.
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Yea I think Mihawk is stronger. Do I think he's alot stronger? No Do I think it's because of the arm? No I just think since they rivaled each other fairly even strength. But Mihawk does have the title.
But I do love Shanks more then Mihawk. In coolness Shanks>Mihawk -
Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world but I wouldn't say that he would have an easy time with him. Sure, he has one arm, but that didn't stop him one bit with his clash with Whitebeard, who is known as the strongest man in the world.
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While Mihawk may be the better swordsman, we do not know if he is stronger.
No where has it been stated that Shanks uses a sword as his primary style of fighting.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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@Mr.:
Like POlygon said thier is not enough evident that say MIhawk is stronger than Shanks.
Shanks constantly carries a sword like a swordsman, he used to rival Mihawk so he must have had extensive training in swordsmanship. He attacked the strongest man in the world with a sword. Would you attack the strongest man in the world with your weaker style?
When he lost his arm he didn't change his style to something more suited for a one-armed man he kept his sword (he lost his best arm so fighting with your other arm would make you weaker. Not shanks though he is so talented with a sword he just switched arms).
Now from all that I would say he is a swordsman, it isn't definite but I think it's very likely. So if Mihawk is the Best swordsman in the world that would make Mihawk more powerful than shanks.
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Shanks constantly carries a sword like a swordsman, he used to rival Mihawk so he must have had extensive training in swordsmanship. He attacked the strongest man in the world with a sword. Would you attack the strongest man in the world with your weaker style?
When he lost his arm he didn't change his style to something more suited for a one-armed man he kept his sword (he lost his best arm so fighting with your other arm would make you weaker. Not shanks though he is so talented with a sword he just switched arms).
Now from all that I would say he is a swordsman, it isn't definite but I think it's very likely. So if Mihawk is the Best swordsman in the world that would make Mihawk more powerful than shanks.
Or maybe other pirates and people don't consider Shanks a swoedmans, or know about the fights between Shanks and Mihawk.
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I doubt people don't know about Shanks and Mihawks fights. Remember? To become a Shichibukai, you have to have quite a reputation. So to have been able to fight Shanks who is apart of Yonkou and come out the better swordsman, that is quite a feat.
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Shanks and Mihawk are like Inigo and Westly in Princess Bride. They both are fencing wizards, and Westly may be better than Inigo by only a fraction, but it's enough. The same goes for Shanks and Mihawk. They both are expert swordsman, but I bet if Mihawk fought Whitebeard, he would have an easier fight than Shanks.
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A Person with one Arm becoming so strong to be able to attack Whitebears with it and he loses his other arm against a Fish that even the Earlier Luffy could handle with 1 Punch
The only reason I don't complain about that is because they recalled the events in Chapter 434 and the important significance.
IMO Shanks could've avoided the bite and still save Luffy
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Shanks constantly carries a sword like a swordsman, he used to rival Mihawk so he must have had extensive training in swordsmanship. He attacked the strongest man in the world with a sword. Would you attack the strongest man in the world with your weaker style?
When he lost his arm he didn't change his style to something more suited for a one-armed man he kept his sword (he lost his best arm so fighting with your other arm would make you weaker. Not shanks though he is so talented with a sword he just switched arms).
Now from all that I would say he is a swordsman, it isn't definite but I think it's very likely. So if Mihawk is the Best swordsman in the world that would make Mihawk more powerful than shanks.
I carry my penis around all the time, does that mean I fight with it? Ace carries a hugeass Jambiya around, does that mean he fights with it? Crocodile fought with his hook, was that his main style?
Answer to all those questions: No.
And Shanks wasn't trying to start anything with Whitebeard; even his men stated that. He was just trying to get his attention.
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That is already known but it does take some strength to actually split the sky in half and all he did was cross blades.
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I'm guessing Shanks and Mihawk are about the same strength, since the Hawk himself said Shanks was able to keep up with him. I think that maybe they fought many times, but always tied with each other until Mihawk got the upperhand once and won, thus making him the strongest swordsman in the world. Since Shanks got his arm bitten off, Mihawk won't duel him to see if they actually are equal.
So really, unless we see the two of them fight, we won't really know who is stronger. I for one really don't know. Shanks is a Yonkou, Mihawk's a Shichibukai, it would seem as though Shanks is stronger since he could block Whitebeard's attack with one arm. We'll have to see what Mihawk's limits are because we can make an acurate decision.
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i agree with those in this thread who think that they are pretty much equal with Mihawk having a slight edge.
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Well, another thing to take in account are the other Shichibukai members. The only ones we have seen in real action was Crocodile. Mihawk barely displayed any power for the parts we've seen him, Bartholomew showed the awesome ability of reading, and we know that Doflamingo can somehow control people. Jimbei is still floating around somewhere and there are two more members yet to be even named. We don't really know the real power of the Shichibukai.
Also, in a fight, as I've implied before, Mihawk definately didn't whoop Shanks. They were probably close battles with Mihawk being a little bit more skilled.
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@Fire Fist:
I carry my penis around all the time, does that mean I fight with it? Ace carries a hugeass Jambiya around, does that mean he fights with it? Crocodile fought with his hook, was that his main style?
Answer to all those questions: No.
And Shanks wasn't trying to start anything with Whitebeard; even his men stated that. He was just trying to get his attention.
Whether shanks wanted his attention or not isn't the point. Whitebeard is stronger than shanks, shanks strongest style cannot beat whitebeard. So if shanks used a weaker style he would have been crushed since even his strongest style is no match for whitebeard.
When crocodile first attacked luffy he used his logia, I can't remember his reason for using the hook but luffy isn't the strongest man in the world.
Ace is a logia user whatever else he uses will be for emergencies e.g fighting someone that is immune to fire.
I didn't say shanks is a swordsman for definite, I said from all that evidence I would say he is a swordsman. Whether you like it or not though part of him will always be a swordsman because you aren't born with the worlds top class skills. Shanks must have trained in he art of swordsmanship to achieve those skills making him a swordsman at that time (and quite possibly even now)
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Pirates always carry swords! Have you not seen Pirates of the Carribean? Most duels are fought with swords, with a few pistols thrown around. It's their gentlemanly way of fighting ^^.
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@aallx:
Pirates always carry swords! Have you not seen Pirates of the Carribean? Most duels are fought with swords, with a few pistols thrown around. It's their gentlemanly way of fighting ^^.
We've seen like 5 swordsmen in all of One Piece, excluding those worthless marines who do nothing but moan until Luffy beats them up for comic relief.
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Kaku was considered a swordsman, and he used all of the CP9 martial arts combined with strange giraffe combat attacks.
If he's an example, I'm inclined to think anyone who uses a sword as thier main weapon, regardless of what else they mix thier fighting style with, is a swordsman pure and simple.
Shanks could use some kind of "aura attacks" and even have a zoan df for all I care, (god no DF for Shanks please) but if he fights with that sword in his hands, then he's a swordsman.
And Mihawk is the strongest of all Swordsmen (please god no DF for Mihawk either).
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Mihawk did not fight shanks as its kinda like having a memory or a challenge you dont really want to destroy that memory. They were rivals, so that puts them at least within spitting distance of eachother back when. Now that shanks has lost an arm Mihawk most likely felt that if he won, he would not be able to discern if it was the loss of the arm that resulted in his win, or if he truly is the better swordsman.
All signs point to the fact that mihawk is the world's greatest, but given that they were rivals and undoubtably friends at one point in time. I dont think that mihawk would want to test that and possibly injure part of his fond memories by that.
Shanks fights with a sword, whats really so hard to grasp about that?
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I'll believe that Mihawk is stronger when I see Shanks lying on the ground with Mihawks uber-big sword in his chest. All we know is that Mihawk is a badass swords fighter and Shanks is amongst the top pirates of the world.
We never really saw Shanks fight, we saw one picture of him clashing swords with Whitebeard, we saw some people fall on the ground only because he is present, we saw a Sea King was scared while only looking at him. He never showed us what he can do fighting a swordsman.
"Sleep brings no rest to me; The shadows of the death my wakening eyes may never see surround my bed"-Emily Bronte(The Horrors of Sleep)
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Hey, didn't Mihawk say something along the lines of "challenge me! Until then, I will always be the worlds strongest swordsman!" …something like that.
I think that Mihawk will be strongest among anyone we meet with a sword, even Shanks. That's assuming that Shanks is a "true swordsman" like Mihawk, though.
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I doubt a one trick pony could reach Yonkou status.
In terms of capabilities, we actually know a little more about Whitebeard, which is why I'll use him as an example:
1. He was the only man who was, in terms of strength, a rival to Gold Roger.
2. He is considered the strongest man alive despite ailing health.
3. His crew is so large he has multiple officers (ex: Ace).In other words, Whitebeard - even based just on what we know - has quite a "resume". Shanks and his crew we don't have as much information on. For all we know the WG is afraid of Shanks not necessarily because of Shanks himself, but because he surrounds himself with strong nakama - do you really think Luffy would be half the threat he is if it weren't for everyone else in the crew?
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4 Yonkou, vs the Shichibukai AND the World Government, since Mihawk is one of 7 Shichibukai, we can logically say no he isn't overall stronger, but in a sword fight he might be, since Shanks has a crew to back him up that seems pretty dang strong.
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Pretty sure Mihawk's stronger. All story events aside, Mihawk's main character trait is being the World's Strongest Swordsman, and Zoro's ultimate goal. Both of those things would be severaly downplayed if Shanks was stronger, and the overall story would take a hit, as a result. Would Zoro have to go after Shanks, now? Too convoluted. Oda even goes on to gush about Mihawk's power elswhere (I forget what book), saying, for instance, that his skill is so great that he can "cut the elements themselves". No idea what that means, exactly, but that's not the kind of thing one says about the second strongest swordsman in the world.
There's canon reasoning for Mihawk being stronger, too, but I'm not gonna go and get into all that right now…
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Yes Mihawk is a better swordsman in my opinion, though I just figured id throw it out there, that Mihawk refused to duel shanks after he lost his arm. Oda did say from what I remember, that it didn't truely effect his strength. And now he's been out there on the grand line for a long time and is one of the Emporers. Could shanks fight mihawk and struggle and overcome? Who knows, that would be up to fate(Oda), the problem is Mihawk simply wont fight him so we will probobally never know. So yes at the moment Mihawk should be stronger, but the two dont fight anymore to truely prove it. But I say it's Mihawk, thats my two cents.
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Sigh, a long way to go puppies, okay it's like this, listen carefully now.
Yes in a raw swordsduel, kind of like fencing I would imagine, Mihawk would win, he has the most skill and experience as a pure swordsman, and Mihawk and Shanks is very equal in strength and skill swordwise, but Mihawk is alittle better. But theres not a fart in spaces chance that they are anywhere near equal all around strength wise! If both got to fight seriously anyway style and anythings allowed, Shanks would win hands down without breaking a sweat.
Yeah it's been said, but having a sword is pretty much a given while at that level of strength, but that does no way prove that you are a swordsman.
I don't think Shanks uses the sword as his main weapon, I think thats his "side kicker" and that in his fighting style he uses the sword or the side kicker up to about 10% while for Mihawk, his sword is NOT a side kicker, Mihawk is a Swordsman, therefore he uses his sword up to 100%.
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How do you even know Shanks would decimate Mihawk so badly?! We haven't seen a lick of what Shanks can do, while we've seen Mihawk block bullets with a slight twist of his sword (and something can be said for a man who has time to pull out a sword, and line it up, while bullets are coming at him).
I think most folks are just overestimating the individual strengths of the Four Emperors.
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How do you even know Shanks would decimate Mihawk so badly?! We haven't seen a lick of what Shanks can do, while we've seen Mihawk block bullets with a slight twist of his sword (and something can be said for a man who has time to pull out a sword, and line it up, while bullets are coming at him).
I think most folks are just overestimating the individual strengths of the Four Emperors.
You sir are not on my idiot list….. I couldnt agree with you more. Mihawk did everything effortlessly, Chopped up ships while sitting down..... Hell he did everything while sitting down. Except owning Zolo, he had to stand up for that. (He really didnt he just felt like having more fun) Mihawk is a beast. Don kreige shot all those damn bullets at him and he just dissapeared, now u tell me what kind of shit is that.... He's just the beast, in One Piece.. hahaha that rhymes..
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i don't think mihawk is stronger. i don't think shanks is a swordsman but more of a all around fighter. shanks is probably really good at everything he does i bet he might even be a really good gunner too. looks at it this way…
swordsman
mihawk get's a 10 since he is the best in the world
shanks get's a 8 since he lost an arm maybe before he was a 9martial arts
mihawk get's a 5 or 6 since that is not his style. zoro with out swords is not deadly and would get beat by a pretty good martial artist.
shanks maybe is a 9 or 8 martial artist we don't know yet. hell he may even be a 10, shanks has to have one skill that makes him the threat that he is.
overall shanks is probably deadlier than mihawk because he probably has better all around fighting skills. mihawk said becoming pirate king is tougher than becoming the best swordsman and the reason why is that you need to be able to defeat any kind of fighter. whitebeard doesn't look like he is a swordsman either but he does use a sword and the reason for that is to fight any swordsman that comes along. luffy isn't a swordsman because he is developing his own style that can beat any fighting style. although luffy hasn't truly fought a swordsman so we don't know yet how he would fair.
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I think that their strength is equal, and that Mihawk is better by a narrow margin because he has the best sword in the world.
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zoro with out swords is not deadly and would get beat by a pretty good martial artist.
Zoro used once a "no sword technique" to make a huricane with his arms only…
I'm not sure he'll get beaten...- "I've killed 7 in a row" dixit USSOPP 
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Could be that Shanks was the former best swordman of the world?
He was trained in Roger ship and he had a powerful crew 10 years ago when Luffy was a kid, perhaps he was unstoppable until Mihawk defeated him in a close combat and Shanks lost the title.
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Zoro used once a "no sword technique" to make a huricane with his arms only…
I'm not sure he'll get beaten...could zoro beat kaku with out any swords? hell could he even beat blueno?
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Mihawk is probilly srtonger I mean I like shanks more but you can asume mihawk actually trains and all we've seen shanks do is get drunk off his ass so Mihawk wins (not by much though)
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Mihawk probaberly hasn't had a decent challenge in 10 years… He said to Zoro that its been a while since he met someone like him. Probaberly ticked off Shanks lost an arm and therefore it prevents him from ever claiming he truly is the best.
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Mihawk just sleeps all the time too ;p
I don't know if this helps, but I think that the very fact that Shanks hasn't yet shown his full set of skills probably means that many of us would be underestimating him. Sure, Mihawk cleaved ships in half, but Shanks blocked a blow from the Strongest Man In The World and the resultant force cleaved the sky in half. With one hand. I seriously don't see how this can be overlooked by so many Mihawk-fans.
We only know that now, Mihawk is the Best Swordsman In The World, but we don't know how he actually received it, or when. What we do know is that he might have challenged Shanks a few times (probably to determine who's better). What we do know is that he didn't bother with Shanks anymore after the latter lost his arm (it's probably considered dishonourable to fight a "handicapped" man).
10 years ago, I'd say they were equal. Now, it's really hard to say. On one hand, Oda might make Shanks weaker so as to allow Luffy's being saved at the cost of the former's arm more significant. On the other, Oda might just decide to make Shanks fight and train solely on one hand, making it impossibly powerful, and thus a worthy final few adversary for Luffy.
Yes, Mihawk might be for Zoro, but Shanks is for Luffy, if you understand what I'm saying.
So, my vote goes to Shanks.
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We can never know until they fight, but Mihawk holds the title of No 1 Swordsman in the world which means he is da Man!. The title of Four Emperor however is not only because of their personal strength but also of their crews and influences, I mean, they ruled the latter half of the grandline between them which is a very big territory, nearly half of the equator. And of course it seems that the marines are keeping a constant blockade between these four powers. I personally has no doubt that Mihawk can be one of the Emperor if he choose except he is a loner, he sails alone on a coffin boat driven by magic candles :) Even though he probably can go one on one against any emperor, i doubt he could hold their territories and I doubt if he wishes to. Which of course doesn't answer the question who will win so i will go with Mihawk who of course must use the strongest sword to its full potential to have a fighting chance.
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could zoro beat kaku with out any swords? hell could he even beat blueno?
of course he's less powerfull without, but Kaku was also a sword master, and blueno was just an appetizer for luffy (who didn't strugle a lot against him…) so I think he may beat him too even without his sword.
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I dunno, maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I'm far more impressed by a man who cleaves ships in half in nanoseconds while he's barely half-assing it than a man who clashes swords with another guy, and cuts clouds. Yeah, that's dissing what was supposed to be impressive imagery, but my point still stands. PLUS, many forget, the Shichibukai need to be strong enough to keep not only the Four Emperors themselves in check, but all their crews and such.
Plus, like I said, being the strongest swordsman in the world in Mihawk's schtick. I doubt Oda would compromise that.
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I dunno, maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I'm far more impressed by a man who cleaves ships in half in nanoseconds while he's barely half-assing it than a man who clashes swords with another guy, and cuts clouds. Yeah, that's dissing what was supposed to be impressive imagery, but my point still stands. PLUS, many forget, the Shichibukai need to be strong enough to keep not only the Four Emperors themselves in check, but all their crews and such.
Plus, like I said, being the strongest swordsman in the world in Mihawk's schtick. I doubt Oda would compromise that.
I dont need to post here anymore, he's reading my mind….
However i'll just add to what he stated.. The Shichibukai(Mihawk) all ready have someone thats stronger than one(shanks) of the 4 emperors . And theirs 7 Shichibukai, hell who knows maybe Mihawk is stronger than 3 of them. Just with Mihawk being on the Shichibukai, they may be able to handle just about any fool that stands against them -
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I had a theory in another thread (i guess its still a theory, even if it is a new thread).
Shanks, was a really strong pirate and very skilled swordsman when he had both his arms under and before his visit to Fuschia.
Anyway he still is strong and a very skilled swordsman, but not as before!
To close his disadvantage with him losing his arm, he ate a DF! Probaly a Logia which makes him a new arm out of something. Which made him ALOT stronger, probaly not as a swordsman… but as a fighter generally. So i guess, he got weaker as a swordsman... but stronger as a fighter in general! -
That's interseting though, Whitebeard and the other Yonkou members must be extremely strong. If it takes the Shichibukai, one as far as we know is at least slightly better than one of the Yonkou, and the whole Navy to keep the Yonkou in check, then they must have massive forces and be individualy extremely strong.
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That could explain WHY shanks was in fuschia…
He was beaten by blackbeard and didn't had devil fruit at this time (he swimmed to save luffy) so he could have went to fuschia because he heard that near to it (seems they are lot's of small islands near to dixit shanks) there is a interesting devil fruit able to beat blackbeard's ablities. For exemple a light fruit???
what do you think about it???
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If Shanks ends up having a DF power, I will be extremely agitated.
