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In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru with his Maxim would be?
Your opinions, theories, etc…
I think that he would be at least Shichibukai. Since he don't need Buster Call to destroy islands, he would be quite a monster.
In the New World... I don't know. Because there is Yonkous. They would crush him.
So yeah. I say that Shichibukai.
Discuss. And no flaiming or trolling.
In one of the more recent SBSes, Oda said that because of the difficulty of dealing with his devil fruit, Enel would be at least 500 million berries. I'm pretty sure that'd put him firmly in the Shichibukai. If, of course, they'd be able to get an egomaniac like him to sit down and follow their orders.
A Yonkou or Shichibukai, at the very least. Yonkou is very likely, because he could be the fifth (Golden Storm Dragon, Ouryu).
I doubt Enel would want to work for the World Government as a Shichibukai(God Complex and all), so he'd be a Yonkou, if anything–if he can compete with them.
I doubt Enel would want to work for the World Government as a Shichibukai(God Complex and all), so he'd be a Yonkou, if anything–if he can compete with them.
Yeah - in the very same SBS (Vol. 43, Chapter 415) he said: "But like Luffy said, there all sorts of even crazier guys down on the Blue Sea. Ener would NOT rule it."
…So whether or not he could compete with the Shichibukai or even the Yonkou is questionable, at best.
He seems interested when Luffy denouced himself as Pirate King (e: what country does HE rule?), so I guess he'd be a pretty famous pirate. In anger, he might kill a few nakama or two, so I guess no one would want to join his crew. I honestly think the fight with Enel had a flat ending, while Lucci's was a lot more exciting. The difference in the two enemies is clear, but I guess Oda just doens't want us to think there's anyone else that can beat Enel 
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Enel probably wouldn't stand a chance against the stronger characters in OP. I highly doubt he would be a yonkou and I even doubt him being a shichibukai
In the actual hierarchy, he wouldn't be counted because he lives in the White-White and is a total unknown.
Enel probably wouldn't stand a chance against the stronger characters in OP. I highly doubt he would be a yonkou and I even doubt him being a shichibukai
I agree
Enel is the most underestimated character in One Piece. I highly doubt that Croc would stand a chance against him. So he might be a middle power shichibukai but not a yonkou.
Not likely, Ener is the most OVERRATED character in One Piece. As for how high his rank on the blue seas is concerned…....It will be as high as the clouds because his ass will be knocked back up stream to Skypiea!
Well, as a pirate he would be quite strong according to Oda. I mean, 500,000,000 belli bounty! The highest shown!
I think Ener would own most of the Shichibukai, but I doubt he is at par with the Yonkou…....besides, we don't know what kind of people are there in the New World.....there might be monster-like characters that can own Enel with one hand tied behind their backs!
as Oda himself has said that Ener would have a 500mil bounty, that speaks alot about what Ener can do........ however, it doesn't mean he will own everyone on the grandline..........
@Impel:
Well, as a pirate he would be quite strong according to Oda. I mean, 500,000,000 belli bounty! The highest shown!
**500,000,000 is the highest "shown" so far, but that doesn't mean it would be impressive on the scale of the whole OP world. Remember, there was a time when 20 million was the highest swown.
Enel seems really strong right now. but soon he's going to be outclassed to the point where he looks like a bug.**
Not likely, Ener is the most OVERRATED character in One Piece. As for how high his rank on the blue seas is concerned…....It will be as high as the clouds because his ass will be knocked back up stream to Skypiea!
You must have been on some other forum with a bunch of Enerist priests. Here, everyone either loves the guy (Like, 15%) or hates him. He is VASTLY underrated and most people bring up Luffy's quote on how "weak" he is. Luffy wasn't talking about random pirates like Foxy and Kuro, he was reffering to the big boys: Like yonkou, the stronger marines and the schichibukai. Saying something so bold becomes moot when the person your bashing can't hurt you.
Really, I don't get why you think he is overrated, bit he is indeed powerfull, this is fact.
Considering Bellamy's crew in the first half of GL never even saw a 100 million berry pirate, and that the East Blue's highest was 20 with an average of three, the other Blue Seas couldn't be too much higher. In the North Blue, I think Bellamy must have been one of the top dogs (Kind of like Krieg and Arlong in the East Blue). With a bounty of 55 million, he must have either gained his rep there, or got it in the GL.
Considering how often the North Blue is referenced, and that Bellamy's bounty was exaggerated, I'd say the former was the case. This meanse the average in NB must be no more than around 60 at best.
Now, Eneru's bounty would be 500…how on Earth would the regular Blue seas be any competition for him...? He can be veeery persuasive (your life), has mantra, and can wipe out an island. Definitely Schichibukai material. But his "Survival of the fittest" attitude would place him at odds with the W.G. They may try an all-out assualt and wipe him out while they have the chance (Most likely). Personally, I believe Eneru would raise an army, take over one of the Blue Seas (Since it would be much easier and the strong marines in the GL wouldn't bother going there) and do what he does. The W.G would have one of the Cipher Pols on duty in his area, but wouldn't attack first.
Enel seems really strong right now. but soon he's going to be outclassed to the point where he looks like a bug.
**Maybe Phenomenol was talking about you…your expecting too much from the bounties and Yonkou. Most of Eneru's huge bounty would come from what he can do to threaten the W.G, not from how many ships he can fry off the face of the Earth. You have to remember that bounties are issued by a government that goes crazy the moment anyone revolts. They hate revolutionaries and people who know how to take over nations (Like Dragon and Crocodile). Eneru isn't just powerfull, he makes an excellent tactician and is organized. He also knows how to use fear.
I'm not telling you to change your views on the bounty=Power-level issue (As you are actually very close to the truth on this issue), just saying you may be expecting too much from how high the numbers are climbing.**
Wait, with Maxim?
That puts an entirely different spin on the situation as we haven't seen anything else in One Piece anywhere near that level. While there may be others on or about his level strengthwise (mostly Logias and a few others, though those would mainly be on the Grand Line), Maxim represents an almost insurmontable advantage for Ener against almost any opponent. He isn't even limited by the Redline, but has unlimited mobility anywhere in the world.
Worse comes to worse, he has Maxim move up into the atmosphere out of range of any cannonfire and starts lobbing lightning bolts down on his enemies. Ener with Maxim probably conquers all four Blues without breaking a sweat for that reason.
If nothing else, he could melt Maxim down into gold ingots and have more money than God to live off of for the rest of his life.
Complicating things since 2009.
Strength wise, he's close to Croc, so shichibukai.
However, if Enel suddenly ended up in the Blue seas, would things really turn out so well for him? I'd imagine that he'd fry the first people he sees, cause a lot of problems for blue sea dwellers, and eventually by put down–maybe by a shichibukai, or something of that level that's able to handle him.
And 500 million is Oda's imagined bounty, but you know, he actually hasn't earned that bounty ya know. Maybe he's worth that much, but too many people are talking like he's already a 500 million pirate on the blue sea.
Well, imho, he would take Dragons position if he trained his Devil Fruits power some more.
I mean, moving at speed of light, being unable to take physical damage, knowing others move before they do it by mantra … if Enel wasnt as braindamaged as he was, he was nr. 1 of all threads to WG.
If he wasnt that dumb he even could beat Luffy easily by just evading his attacks (he knows em by mantra), moving at light speed behind him and hitting him physically.
If there ain't coming up a light light fruit, the lightning lightning fruit is the best of all (not regarding BB's darkness fruit, cause we cant imagine yet what his powers will be like).
@Masta:
Maybe Phenomenol was talking about you…your expecting too much from the bounties and Yonkou. Most of Eneru's huge bounty would come from what he can do to threaten the W.G, not from how many ships he can fry off the face of the Earth. You have to remember that bounties are issued by a government that goes crazy the moment anyone revolts. They hate revolutionaries and people who know how to take over nations (Like Dragon and Crocodile). Eneru isn't just powerfull, he makes an excellent tactician and is organized. He also knows how to use fear.
**Frying a lot of ships wouldn't threaten the WG? Being a powerful and not being in league with the WG means you are a threat.
Enel made a good tactition and was orginized in skypeia. It's a whole other world down in the blue seas. Back in Skypeia, he had acess to every and anything he wanted. that is not the case down there. Over in skypeia, he was the most powerful person in existance, definatley not the case in the Blues. If he were to come to the Blues, he wouldn't be the same person he was in Skypeia. Compare Enel before he found out Luffy was able tohit him and after. there a differance.**
I'm not telling you to change your views on the bounty=Power-level issue (As you are actually very close to the truth on this issue), just saying you may be expecting too much from how high the numbers are climbing.
**I don't think so. Luffy went from 30 to 100 to 300. About triple the bounty each time. If this trend comtinues and he gets even just 2 more bounties, he was have around a 1,200,000,000. Though I doubt he will get that high.
People always underestimate the big dog. Not saying you are, just that people always do. During the Lucchi/Luffy fight, there were people saying Lucchi would give shanks/Mihawk etc a little trouble.**
I think Ener would own most of the Shichibukai, but I doubt he is at par with the Yonkou
This post makes NO sense! You can NOT say Ener will own a World power than say that he is not at par with another…....
@Masta:
Now, Eneru's bounty would be 500…how on Earth would the regular Blue seas be any competition for him...? He can be veeery persuasive (your life), has mantra, and can wipe out an island. Definitely Schichibukai material. But his "Survival of the fittest" attitude would place him at odds with the W.G. They may try an all-out assualt and wipe him out while they have the chance (Most likely). Personally, I believe Eneru would raise an army, take over one of the Blue Seas (Since it would be much easier and the strong marines in the GL wouldn't bother going there) and do what he does. The W.G would have one of the Cipher Pols on duty in his area, but wouldn't attack first
Ener would be below or on the same par as Crocodile! and please do NOT get caught up in bounties because ALL Shichibukai's bounties are FROZEN!
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Ener would be below or on the same par as Crocodile! and please do NOT get caught up in bounties because ALL Shichibukai's bounties are FROZEN!
**Oda said crrocs bounty is unfrozen would double. So that's about 160,000,000
He said Enel would be worth 500,000,000.
that's a 340,000,000 differance, which is a lot. Oda himself basiccly said that Enel > Croc.**
Bounties do NOT automatically mean that one is stronger than the other…At the end of the day it comes down to abilities. Croc and Ener seem even with their abilities.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
**Oda said crrocs bounty is unfrozen would double. So that's about 160,000,000
He said Enel would be worth 500,000,000.
that's a 340,000,000 differance, which is a lot. Oda himself basiccly said that Enel > Croc.**
Plus, extreme pressure and heat turns silica (sand) into glass. Zapped Crocodile = glass Crocodile
Bounties do NOT automatically mean that one is stronger than the other…At the end of the day it comes down to abilities. Croc and Ener seem even with their abilities.
**Bounties are usually a rough measure of one's abilities.
Also, it's not like the 5 Elder Stars issuied these bounties. they aren't mentioned in the sotry. It came from Oda's preference. Obviously, he thinks that Enel is deserving of a larger bounty. He is more deserving (by a couple million) because he is more of a threat. why is he more of a threat? Because he is stronger.**
Bounties do NOT automatically mean that one is stronger than the other…At the end of the day it comes down to abilities. Croc and Ener seem even with their abilities.
I actually agree with Phemonol on this one. Bounty are more like a "big maybe," unlike the power levels of DBZ, having a higher bounty is not an automatic win. But, it suggests power.
However, I think that Croc and Enel are close to the same level. Don't look at bounty, look at abilities. On another note:
And who said that Enel should "Train more." He's probably mastered his abilities, otherwise he wouldn't have time to use it to enhance his mantra. I mean, if Enel needs to train more, then so do all the logias.
Like Croc, why doesn't he do some of the moves that Gaara does, aside from copyright infrigement? He never once literally attacked people with say, a sand wave–which from what the board say should be a common logia skill.
**Bounties are usually a rough measure of one's abilities.
Also, it's not like the 5 Elder Stars issuied these bounties. they aren't mentioned in the sotry. It came from Oda's preference. Obviously, he thinks that Enel is deserving of a larger bounty. He is more deserving (by a couple million) because he is more of a threat. why is he more of a threat? Because he is stronger.**
You can NOT say a guy who got raped by Luffy is stronger than Crocodile. Ener has SHOWN nothing to be stronger than Crocodile.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
You can NOT say a guy who got raped by Luffy is stronger than Crocodile. Ener has SHOWN nothing to be stronger than Crocodile.
Now I disagree. Luffy raped both of them. At least, Luffy in round 3 was one-sided.
That and, Luffy has an element advantage. If Luffy was a water man then Luffy vs. Croc would be more like Luffy vs. Enel. Look at Foxy, he nearly maxed Luffy's stamina through tricks and you wouldn't say that Foxy could match Croc or Enel.
Comparing how fighter A fights fighter B actually isn't acccurate, unless they have the same fighting style. And, since near no one in One Piece has the same fighting style, it's not possible to compare until they really fight each other. So, I think that all vs. topics are pointless.
I still think that Croc and Enel are near even though, since we can't definitively how their elements would effect each other.
You can NOT say a guy who got raped by Luffy is stronger than Crocodile. Ener has SHOWN nothing to be stronger than Crocodile.
**They both got raped by Luffy, in the ass. It's not like Croc gave in and had sex or anything.
And Enel has shown nothing to be stronger than Croc? Lighting generally beats sand anyway. Enel can basiccly predict Croc's moves and he has more raw power. He has more speed.**
I actually agree with Phemonol on this one. Bounty are more like a "big maybe," unlike the power levels of DBZ, having a higher bounty is not an automatic win. But, it suggests power.
However, I think that Croc and Enel are close to the same level. Don't look at bounty, look at abilities. On another note:
And who said that Enel should "Train more." He's probably mastered his abilities, otherwise he wouldn't have time to use it to enhance his mantra. I mean, if Enel needs to train more, then so do all the logias.
Like Croc, why doesn't he do some of the moves that Gaara does, aside from copyright infrigement? He never once literally attacked people with say, a sand wave–which from what the board say should be a common logia skill.
Everyone has a different level of Logia and Mastery. Kuzan has the highest mastery, he's practically untouchable; Enel had a high level of control; Ace, Crocodile and Smoker have a medicore level of control, and Blackbeard has the most basic level of control.
You all seem to forget the only reason Luffy even stood a chance is because he was made of rubber and is a combat genius; without that tactical level of command and his rubber body, Luffy would have been toast.
One thing that always bothered me about Enel is the ineffectiveness of lead. Lead is a poor conductor as well; A few pachinko stars from Usopp and Enel should have been done for the count.
And Crocodile did do a Sand Wave move. Heavy Sands (Sables Pesado), remember?
**They both got raped by Luffy, in the ass. It's not like Croc gave in and had sex or anything.
And Enel has shown nothing to be stronger than Croc? Lighting generally beats sand anyway. Enel can basiccly predict Croc's moves and he has more raw power. He has more speed.**
Yes, I've heard that "lightning turns sand to glass." But what about this? Does sand conduct electricity? Maybe Crocodile's attacks would cuts through Enel to? And can Mantra predict logia movements?
That and, Enel's teleporting speed isn't his normal speed. When he teleports, he turns into more pure lightning, like normal lighting. In physics, lightning is fst, but how fast would a human made of lightning be? That 200 million Amaru looked pretty slow.
And Crocodile did do a Sand Wave move. Heavy Sands (Sables Pesado), remember?
That was a sandstorm.
And, I'm getting tired of speaking of logia mastery. For all we know, Enel and other logia's could do more, but we haven't seen it. Some moves and techniques aren't relevant. That and, we don't know how hard it is to control some elements.
Smoke, for example, should be harmless (mostly), while fire ice and thunder are deadly in basic forms. Maybe Smoker's ability to control the density of his smoke makes him more talented then others.
Logia mastery doesn't always mean that you're a stronger fighter too. Smoker will probably surpass Corc and Enel in some ways, since if he doesn't his future fight scene will be pointless and boring.
Croc didn't seem to be able to control the sand like Gaara insofar as using it to crush people outright. Smoker is better able to hold people with smoke, for some reason, than Croc with sand…
Don't forget croc's grounding theory if he could really do that then enel can't defeat him. Then after knowing he can't win croc would escape coming back with rubber using it against enel.
Since croc is a smart guy I'm sure he would figure it out since he knows logias are weak to their elements weakness, since he experienced it first hand
You forget Enel's Mantra. With Mantra Alone, he could take out Physical Opponents, just because he knew where they would be before they would. Added with the fact that he is the Essence of Lightning and you have someone very threatening.
Don't argue this down into a debate as to how good he is in comparison to. Its obvious that Crocodile and Mihawk are not equals, yet shared in Shichibukai status. Crocodile shared Shichibukai with Doflamingo, 81 Million vs a 340 Million former bounties. So you can't compare Enel to a single structure.
Enel is most like a Shichibukai. He lacks (or doesn't require) a crew of his own to be a stand-out character. Yonkou's so far tend to be fairly powerful on their own, but have a strong crew(s) as well. Enel's Priests were intimidating, but worked against eachother as much as with.
God is most likely Shichibukai in behavior and in status.
Now I disagree. Luffy raped both of them. At least, Luffy in round 3 was one-sided.That and, Luffy has an element advantage. If Luffy was a water man then Luffy vs. Croc would be more like Luffy vs. Enel. Look at Foxy, he nearly maxed Luffy's stamina through tricks and you wouldn't say that Foxy could match Croc or Enel.
Comparing how fighter A fights fighter B actually isn't acccurate, unless they have the same fighting style. And, since near no one in One Piece has the same fighting style, it's not possible to compare until they really fight each other. So, I think that all vs. topics are pointless.
I still think that Croc and Enel are near even though, since we can't definitively how their elements would effect each other.
@TPolygon:
hey both got raped by Luffy, in the ass. It's not like Croc gave in and had sex or anything.
And Enel has shown nothing to be stronger than Croc? Lighting generally beats sand anyway. Enel can basiccly predict Croc's moves and he has more raw power. He has more speed.
Luffy raped both of them?:wassat: Who was the character that was CONSISTENTLY getting the Mantra stuffing knocked out of them…who had to immobilize Luffy and play keep away for almost the entire Arc?...Who was the one (In PURE lightning form) said Luffy's attack was "TOO FAST"? Ener did.
Who was the one that NEARLY Killed Luffy Three times....(did you read that).....I said Three times.....WHILE trying to keep a schedule!!! Luffy's win against Crocodile was NOT a convincing win.
Crocodile can GROUND Ener's lightning which disipates (spreads,breaks) when it touches ANY surface. Not too mention crocodile's sand is not normal sand it is in a form of magic. Croc is on a higher level than Ener.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Luffy raped both of them?:wassat: Who was the character that was CONSISTENTLY getting the Mantra stuffing knocked out of them…who had to immobilize Luffy and play keep away for almost the entire Arc?...Who was the one (In PURE lightning form) said Luffy's attack was "TOO FAST"? Ener did.
Who was the one that NEARLY Killed Luffy Three times....(did you read that).....I said Three times.....WHILE trying to keep a schedule!!! Luffy's win against Crocodile was NOT a convincing win.
Luffy owned both of them in his last fights. That's that. I presonally see being blasted though multiple layers of Bedrock from under the city all the way up so that building fall down and everyne in the city could see your being punched to death during a war when you were the national here a rape. but that's just me.
Crocodile can GROUND Ener's lightning which disipates (spreads,breaks) when it touches ANY surface. Not too mention crocodile's sand is not normal sand it is in a form of magic. Croc is on a higher level than Ener.
No, you think the sand can ground Enel' s lightning. Personally, I think this has a very low change of happening.
Luffy raped both of them?:wassat: Who was the character that was CONSISTENTLY getting the Mantra stuffing knocked out of them…who had to immobilize Luffy and play keep away for almost the entire Arc?...Who was the one (In PURE lightning form) said Luffy's attack was "TOO FAST"? Ener did.
Who was the one that NEARLY Killed Luffy Three times....(did you read that).....I said Three times.....WHILE trying to keep a schedule!!! Luffy's win against Crocodile was NOT a convincing win.
Crocodile can GROUND Ener's lightning which disipates (spreads,breaks) when it touches ANY surface. Not too mention crocodile's sand is not normal sand it is in a form of magic. Croc is on a higher level than Ener.
Until we see Croc get hit with lightning, we don't know that he "can" do anything of the sort. And Enel's lightning is "magic lightning." And Luffy's rubber is "magic rubber," hence why it never gave out against so much eletricity.
However, I can say with some certainty that if Luffy fought Croc again, it'd be more like "round 3." Luffy grew in that fight, and he applied that knowledge to his Enel fight.
And Luffy's win was completely convincing. What, Luffy was able to beat the tar out of Croc despite poisoning and massive blood loss. Works for me! …especially when you consider that the OP fighters don't have normal human stamina, and some people have more stamina then others. What, should we make things more "fair" for Crocodile?
Some pirate legends, like Blackbeard, involve humans surviving incredible circumstances. So, we'll probably see more stuff like this later on, otherwise the OP pirates wouldn't be "real pirates."
Have you heard of Fulgurite? it's what happens when lightning strikes sand or certain types of soil. It's also known as "Petrified Lightning" because in certain types of sand, the glass-like tubes it creates will actually trace the path of the lightning that strikes it.
So yes, Croc would be fairly screwed if he fought Enel.
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I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
@Fire Fist:
Have you heard of Fulgurite? it's what happens when lightning strikes sand or certain types of soil. It's also known as "Petrified Lightning" because in certain types of sand, the glass-like tubes it creates will actually trace the path of the lightning that strikes it.
So yes, Croc would be fairly screwed if he fought Enel.
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Well, that depends on whether or not anyone at Shouen Jump knows that.
Luffy owned both of them in his last fights. That's that. I presonally see being blasted though multiple layers of Bedrock from under the city all the way up so that building fall down and everyne in the city could see your being punched to death during a war when you were the national here a rape. but that's just me.
No, you think the sand can groud Enel' s lightning. Personally, I think this has a very low change of hapening.
Luffy's ENTIRE run in with Croc was a struggle, The last fight was NOT a convincing one. Crocodile NEVER got raped by Luffy if anything Croc raped Luffy more than ONCE!! Too bad Ener has NO highlights against Luffy. Croc is on another level.
Until we see Croc get hit with lightning, we don't know that he "can" do anything of the sort. And Enel's lightning is "magic lightning." And Luffy's rubber is "magic rubber," hence why it never gave out against so much eletricity.
However, I can say with some certainty that if Luffy fought Croc again, it'd be more like "round 3." Luffy grew in that fight, and he applied that knowledge to his Enel fight.
And Luffy's win was completely convincing. What, Luffy was able to beat the tar out of Croc despite poisoning and massive blood loss. Works for me! …especially when you consider that the OP fighters don't have normal human stamina, and some people have more stamina then others. What, should we make things more "fair" for Crocodile?
Some pirate legends, like Blackbeard, involve humans surviving incredible circumstances. So, we'll probably see more stuff like this later on, otherwise the OP pirates wouldn't be "real pirates."
And until we see Ener's lightning touch Crocodile's sand (which can cut buildings shatter a temple in a form of a bomb) you can NOT say he will just turn into glass-LOL! this is anime/manga for God sakes.
Luffy's win was NOT convincing if you think NEARLY dying three times and being able to survive just because Crocodile was in a rush is a convincing win you need to read it again. And NO! Luffy even with his gears would NOT own croc, he would own Ener but not Croc.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
Luffy's Gears would own Croc but only if he used water on the fists again. This would be pretty tough, because I can't imagine any water lasting on that hot skin without evaporating into steam.
Luffy would be better fighting Croc without Gears.
There's also the possibility that the steam makes him a bit moist. The question would be how wet does Croc have to be after that, I guess.
Enel's bounty is the highest we've seen so far, I think it's safe to assume he'd rape most of Luffy's past opponents. Just a simple "Do't fuck with me." line and a shock of lightning would destroy Buggy, Kuro, Kreig and Arlong for sure. He'd DEFINATELY be the god of East Blue. That is, until Luffy comes around and beats him, of course.
And NO! Luffy even with his gears would NOT own croc, he would own Ener but not Croc.
Sure he would, just like last time. We have a precedent. We saw it happen.
i like how the majority of posts consist of "he is DEFINITELY ______ level and would TOTALLY own ______, no doubt!" with weak or no evidence to back up the statement.
here's a logical breakdown.
eneru is a logia.
1 of the 4 emperors definitely has no devil fruit abilities since he swam.
being an emperor, he must have ways to deal with DF users (or he would be dethroned easily by a logia) – either himself OR his crew.
this suggests that the emperors are able to defeat Eneru by himself. however, with his Maxim he's able to destroy entire islands. if i recall correctly, no one has ever had something like the Maxim like Eneru which allows him such a HUGE distance advantage--no one can touch him. he can definitely attack from such a distance because of what he did on sky island.
if emperors are able to handle logia's, they must have ways to handle the attacks. Eneru may not be able to hurt them or defeat them, but he has the power to handle red line definitely. he can terrorize and defeat the weaker pirates. the Shichibukai's are a diff matter. it's hard to say they can definitely handle logia's since their positions aren't really granted out of respect of other pirates, but more of respect of the WG. pirates like Ace or Eneru should be even matches for Croc, but they aren't shichibukai since they don't make themselves renowned.
as a personal opinion, i feel he can defeat Bear, Donflamingo, Croc, and Miihawk. at such a huge distance, the most they can hope to do is dodge his attacks. they don'[t have a crew to help them.
As far as I'm concerned, if Oda says Enel is worthy of a 500 million bounty, then dagnabit, I think it's fair to say it's because of his uber cheap powers, Maxim not included.
The guy restarted his own heart. Oda and Robin basically said in that arc that the only reason Enel lost was because Luffy was his natural enemy.
I'm not sure why this is turning into a Croc vs. Enel debate… AGAIN, but let's be perfectly honest. Both Croc and Enel have mastered their abilities (if Enel could do what he did and have not mastered his abilites, then I'm fearful). But the simple fact of the matter is Croc's weakness is much easier to exploit, and so his devil fruit is much easier to counter, compared to Enel's. All other arguements of skill and cunning aside, this is the crux of the matter.
Their bounties do not reflect how easy it is for Luffy to beat them - they reflect how much of a threat they, their abilities, and their crew pose to the World Government. And while bounties in One Piece aren't power levels, it's undeniable that a bounty of such astronomical proportions (500 million) reflects a serious threat.
From the characters we've seen yet the one who compares the most with Enel power wise is Ace. They both have cheap Logias that give them the biggest destructive power. And Ace is not even an Emperor, yet alone an Emperor's first mate, so I think it gives a good idea of Enel's spot on the OP world hierarchy.
From the characters we've seen yet the one who compares the most with Enel power wise is Ace. They both have cheap Logias that give them the biggest destructive power. And Ace is not even an Emperor, yet alone an Emperor's first mate, so I think it gives a good idea of Enel's spot on the OP world hierarchy.
Yeah, I was pissed because Enel himself was a swollen vulva. It was only that cheap Fruit that gave him the right to strut around and talk big.
Big-eared fucker.
Yeah, powers less Enel is nothing more than pre Alabasta Nami with his fancy golden cheerleader stick.
I also think the 500 mil bounty may be because of his ideals. He seeks to control, and has no value for human life. He's the kind of person that would wind up being a major threat the world government. That along with his crazy logia powers.
Pretty funny, but this discussion brings up something weird.
I don't see it happening but should Eneru come down to the Blue Seas from the Moon to cause havoc in the New World.
That'll be funny
Oda has shown to bring Side stories into the main such as
-Garp (with Koby and Helmppo)
-Ace's search for Blackbeard
So that possibility may exist
On topic: Lightning is a dangerous element and has the ability to strike outta nowhere. He also packs Mantra and can read opponents movements. It was actually amazing to actually fight Luffy despite his disadvantage. He even knocked some serious hits into him. My opinion would be that he's prolly the second or third most dangerous Logia in terms of power. Combined with Maxim gives him Nuke capabilities. His attitude and brain could use some adjustments tho
Current Eneru: Shichibukai
Eneru with a Brain: Yonkou
I think Oda said it best; Ener would not rule the Blue Seas. Granted, from what I see he's got a mid-tier Logia like Ace, but in spite of average Logia status Ener had an immense amount of power and abilities inherent to electricity that Ace simply doesn't possess. His only weakness appeared to be low amperage, which would have been a problem if he was powering Maxim for a short period of time.
That being said, Ener would outright crush any other villan in the series; the only characters that could possibly give him trouble (right now) are Luffy and Aokiji. Blackeard is out of Ener's league but even with his Devil Fruit I doubt he would be compatible with fighting Ener, nor could I believe Ener could harm Blackbeard or Ace.
It's pretty clear from Ener's physique and spear/quarterstaff skill that he was at one time a Bilkan Warrior, but his skills have clearly dulled and as far as a fight goes he's cooked meat without his Devil Fruit. Mantra is an excellent abilitiy, but again, without his Devil Fruit Ener can only employ local Mantra and he lacks the physical knowledge to be able to effectively dodge techniques.
As far as intelligence goes, I do not think Ener is all that smart, but he's outrageously cunning, observant and very knowledgeable. ThHis god complex blinds him to the obvious perils that might harm him (not unlike Krieg), but he's sharp enough to adapt to the perils when he's already suffered a bit from them.
Ener's bounty of 500,000,000 is pretty spot on; it clocks not only raw Devil Fruit power but his own fighting ability in conjuction with it, as well as his mental attributes and impulsive personality. He would probably exceed the Shichibukai in strength and be on the same tier as a Yonkoh or Marine Admiral.
