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    In the hierarchy of Blue Seas, how high Eneru would be?

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      Without factoring in the devil fruit power, Enel seemed decently strong to me. Not anything particularly special mind you, since his devil fruit obviously made what he is.

      The biggest problem Enel had was his ego. If he hadn't taken over Skypeia, he wouldn't have gotten lazy and trained more, honing his skills. He also underestimates his opponents to sickening amounts. Despite the fact that he almost won against him, Enel did absolutely nothing when Luffy was running along his arm and let him attack, beating him for good. If he had been constantly fighting all the time he was "god" (as in, the governer of Skypeia) he would've been a much larger threat to Luffy.

      All well, he probably went into his stash to calm himself down. The recent coverstory definately favors that.

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        IMO i think, Ace>Ener>Croc

        Ener is strong but as Luffy said, there are much stronger people on the blue seas. Ener is to dumb to be a shichibukai, we have not yet seen a dumb shichibukai… but we have seen a not so uber strong shichibukai (Croc, if we look at the current events and folks we have seen, he doesnt seem so uber strong, ne?).

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          I think Oda said it best; Ener would not rule the Blue Seas. Granted, from what I see he's got a mid-tier Logia like Ace, but in spite of average Logia status Ener had an immense amount of power and abilities inherent to electricity that Ace simply doesn't possess. His only weakness appeared to be low amperage, which would have been a problem if he was powering Maxim for a short period of time.

          You'd classify Goro Goro and Mera Mera fruits as mid tier Logias? I think they're pretty much high tier, only being surpassed by anomalies like Blackbeard's fruit. They both have gigantic destructive power, something Suna Suna and Moku Moku don't. I'd be curious to know which Logias you'd classify as top tier.

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            What no one seems to be really talking about is what Eneru would DO as a pirate! He'd probably just go around from island and try to kill as many people as possible and take their gold to build Maxim!

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              Enel's 500 milesitmated bounty has nothing to do with his power… He took over an island, kicked out the old cast, enslaved people, destroyed any island (biggest clue to strength of bounty here). Bounties = threat level not power level.

              All that aside, Oda's words - There are plenty of people in the Blue seas who would be able to defeat him not just Luffy.

              Strickly speaking, Alivda... Buggy... Krieg... All those before who got in the SHs way before the BWs arc, exceptions maybe Smoker, would die easily. BWs... Everyone up to Croc would perish easily (remember, Robin was Croc's partner, by BW system Croc was the strongest (and the boss) fighter and Robin was defeated) in BW. Croc... Actually I think he would be defeated.

              Foxy could win if he got lucky with his powers (chance = about 5% I think though of that working).

              CP9 stronger members might be able to take him down, others wouldn't stand a chance. That basially means the stronger Shichibukai members and Yonkou would be able to take him out... Maybe a few of their stronger crew members...

              The 3 admirals and everyone down to Vice admiral level at least. I doubt the Elbaf giants would stand a chance. There might be bounty hunters too strong enough... I have no doubt Dragon or people in his employment might be able to take him down.

              My thoughts...

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                What no one seems to be really talking about is what Eneru would DO as a pirate! He'd probably just go around from island and try to kill as many people as possible and take their gold to build Maxim!

                Why would he need to do that?

                The original premise of this thread (and something that most people are ignoring) is that he already has Maxim.

                Sure, there are people out there who can match his Logia powers (though it's going to a bitch to do so because of Mantra, he should be able to stalemate almost anybody else with that alone), but there's nobody out there to date who can match his airship.

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                  but there's nobody out there to date who can match his airship.

                  In what way exactly?

                  Because Gear 3rd Luffy would reduce it to firewood and precious metal. Not to mention Ace could reduce it to ash.

                  And mantra…man, thats one of the few places in OP where you could tell Oda just wasnt thinking ahead enough.

                  I mean.....Ener had time to actually think to himself Hes so fast! before getting clobbered by Luffy and sent into the bell. Given Luffys exaggerated movements and what we`d seen Ener do previously that was just....a weak point in the story....sadly.

                  Im not going to compare scenes or the speed of thoughts vs. speed of reaction time etc. Or even that he might not be able to move quickly in the form or its not stable while he`s that way.

                  All fairy dust until we hear otherwise from Oda.

                  Mantra was a very weak and grim part of OP that I`d rather forget.

                  No matter where you go, there you are.

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                    If Lucci had some rubber on him, he could definitly beat Eneru

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                      If Lucci had some rubber on him, he could definitly beat Eneru

                      As dumb as that sounds in real life….hell all the named characters seemed to eat the lightning like any other blow or shock wave. Lucci could probably do it with sea stone brass knuckles.

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                        Lucci could probably do it with sea stone brass knuckles.

                        What about his neko neko no mi?

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                          In what way exactly?

                          Because Gear 3rd Luffy would reduce it to firewood and precious metal. Not to mention Ace could reduce it to ash.

                          Maxim is capable of making an extraterrestial voyage; Ener can park it at the ultimate range of his powers, which are well beyond anything Luffy is capable of as Ener is capable of hitting targets on the opposite side of Skypiea from him. Mantra would allow him to target opponents within that range, which according to what we've seen constitute everything within Skypiea. So he could park Maxim miles above his target and still successfully strike it.

                          According to the Chapter 179 SBS, Ace's attacks are based on him turning his body into Flame and extending it rather than him being able to generate large amounts of fire. Higan would seem to be limited generation, but his primary attacks involve turning his entire body into flame. Observe the destruction of The Hotel Win in Chapter 440; his body disappears after he goes into a crouch, he then reappears on the ground behind the Blackbeard Pirates. Judging by that, he turned into the pillar of fire to destroy the hotel and went into a dive to attack Teach. This matches how Oda says that his powers work. As such, his range is limited by comparison to Ener, who seems to be capable of generating electricity independent of his own body.

                          If nothing else, if he was simply turning into electricity and hurling himself at his opponent like Ace, then he should have taken damage from Luffy when he first attacked him. The fact that he didn't become aware that Luffy was still standing until after the attack dissipated means that the electricity is no longer connected to his own body.

                          Mantra was a very weak and grim part of OP that I`d rather forget.

                          Regardless, it's an ability that Ener demonstrated time and again. As such, it should be considered in any discussion of him versus another opponent.

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                            If Lucci had some rubber on him, he could definitly beat Eneru

                            Some rubber wouldn't stop a point blank shot like Vari to Lucci's body. That and we can question the effectiveness of shigan if he were to have rubber on his hands. Rankyaku, the other rokushiki offensive technique, is used by cutting the air by moving fast enough, so rubber helping it is questionable. As for Rokuougan, we've seen what happens when Enel gets hit by a reject dial, so I doubt something with the force of an impact dial will help. In the highly likely chance that Lucci has mastered all variations of rokushiki techniques, the most effective technique would most likely be Dugong

                            Discounting the fact that mantra helps Enel predict Lucci's techniques, of course.

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                              The more powerful characters in OP will be alot faster than enel, so even if he knows what they're going to do he would be powerless to stop it

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                                In the highly likely chance that Lucci has mastered all variations of rokushiki techniques, the most effective technique would most likely be Dugong

                                It's fairly likely that there are plenty of Rokushiki variants that Lucci hasn't mastered actually. Jabura specifically states that he's the only one capable of using Tekkai while moving for instance. Fukurou seems to possess variants of the arts suited to his particular body type.

                                In the end, Lucci is unlikely to be the ultimate master of Rokushiki. There's bound to be a venerable old master of it running around somewhere as somebody has been teaching these people how to use it.

                                Of course, the mere fact that Lafitte is apparently running around using Soru points to him being the greatest Rokushiki user alive… or, at least, he will be by the end of the series.

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                                  I'm confused, when did Lafitte use soru again?

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                                    Some people think that Logias are the world… Ok Enel has one of the strongest DF maybe... but this didn't make him a top card in the blue sea...

                                    If that's that... then all Logias should be Younkous at least or Admirals... I don't think someone like Mihawk, Shanks or WB are afraid of any Logia-user cause they know how to damage the...

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                                      I'm confused, when did Lafitte use soru again?

                                      Check the panel where Burgess and Lafitte yell at Teach after Ace has hit them with Hiken.

                                      Lafitte has speed lines around him while kneeling; further, we hear a sound effect similar to the one that Koby made when he used Soru. So he most likely used Soru to avoid the hit.

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                                        I'm confused, when did Lafitte use soru again?

                                        He didn't, he just moved fast, but there's nothing confirming he used Soru. And even if he did, I'm not sure how it'd be such a feat, Coby mastered Soru in a relatively short time.

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                                          The more powerful characters in OP will be alot faster than enel, so even if he knows what they're going to do he would be powerless to stop it

                                          how can somebody be faster than lightning?

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                                            how can somebody be faster than lightning?

                                            Some people have already forgotten that this is a manga…

                                            Luffy should melt down from a 200.000.000 Volt lightning attack... Rubber or not

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                                              Lucky Roo Will Kick Ener's Ass

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                                                my opinion on this.
                                                Oda gave us a reference point for Eneru. 500M if he was on the Blue Sea.
                                                with this, i'd say he's shichibukai level. relative to individual characters, that's hard to say as we don't know some characters' bounties. and bounties are both strength and threat level, so why are some ignoring the strength part of the equation.

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                                                  Ener would be a warlord .

                                                  the bounty ranking system showed us that their are bounty tiers , a pirate is a worldthreath at only 50 million , anything less than 50 million is local threath , seeing that 20 million was exceding eastblue limit and that the bounty needed to be a grand line pirate is 50 million then all the bounties from 0 to 50 are local threath ( understand threath for your area ).
                                                  A pirate with 100 million is a cp9 threath level (understand that the governement can send cp9 against you ) , when you reach 300 million and above , the warlords themselves can be sent against you because with a 500 million bounty you are Warlord level , even luffy with a 300 million bounty is warlord level .

                                                  Don't misread what i wrote , warlord level doesn't mean you can beat the warlords , it means that they are the ones who are more suited to stop you .

                                                  The bounty ranking system has been explained in the op Grand Times , so i'm not making stuff (just to clarify ) .

                                                  By the way remember that the warlords bounties are frozen, meaning that their bounties don't reflect their actual power , a bounty of 300 million doesn't mean the pirate is 300 million but that his real bounty level is superior to 300 million .

                                                  In short if ener was a pirate and sided with the WG he would be a warlord with a frozen bounty of 500 million .

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                                                    I think it'd be hard to say how he would fare with Maxim aside from going by Oda's bounty estimate (500 million highest possible) and that there are people much stronger. Though we haven't seen the full extent of the strength of anybody I'd say "above mid-tier" in the One Piece world aside from Enel or the active bounties. I think he would probably have the strength of a midlevel Shichibukai (with Maxim higher, but who knows maybe not at top), which I think would probably be stronger-Vice Admiral level or slightly below the strength of a weaker Emperor.

                                                    @Ubiq:

                                                    If nothing else, if he was simply turning into electricity and hurling himself at his opponent like Ace, then he should have taken damage from Luffy when he first attacked him. The fact that he didn't become aware that Luffy was still standing until after the attack dissipated means that the electricity is no longer connected to his own body.

                                                    Didn't Ace do the same thing with his Fire Gun? He didn't seem like he merely extended himself in that case.

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                                                      Ener can park it at the ultimate range of his powers

                                                      Doesn't seem to be much of a problem for Luffy. Especially now considering his Gears. So long as he has something to grasp onto, he can launch himself just about anywhere with Rocket. Let's not forget how far he stretched in Drum.

                                                      Remember his handicap during the fight was having that huge weight on him. Without that and the power of Gears….holy shitballs....he would have taken Maxim apart like an Erector set.

                                                      And as far as Logia travel, well, yeah, no question regarding how fast some of them can get around. Particularly someone like Dragon is our assumptions are correct.

                                                      but this is the bigger question....

                                                      Does Ener give two shits about the Blue Sea?

                                                      We may find out I imagine in his story and whether it connects to reality in OP or not (seeming unlikely but whatever) but although Ener was a sick bastard….he really didn't seem all that interested in the Blue Sea. Just my take on it, I'm not Oda.

                                                      So forgetting the question about whether he would be owned down there or not or absurd fantasy fights (which nevertheless I totally think fans that wanna discuss them should discuss) I dunno if any of it's all that valid since we dunno if he'd actually care about doing anything but getting OUT of the Blue Sea. I'm not sure if he even has motivation to unleash Maxim's power down there because his goal wth Skypiea was to return life to what it used to be. What good will that do on the Blue Sea?

                                                      No matter where you go, there you are.

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                                                        Didn't Ace do the same thing with his Fire Gun? He didn't seem like he merely extended himself in that case.

                                                        True, but it's a minor attack that seems designed to harass Augur more than actually kill him. For major attacks, he turns his body into flame and then directs it towards an opponent. Ener, on the other hand, usually uses the lightning that consitutes his own body for showy, but relatively minor attacks while generating massive lightning bolts for major attacks.

                                                        Based on what Oda said and what we've seen in practice, Ace's ability to generate fire is very limited in comparison to Ener's ability to generate lightning.

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                                                        Doesn't seem to be much of a problem for Luffy. Especially now considering his Gears. So long as he has something to grasp onto, he can launch himself just about anywhere with Rocket. Let's not forget how far he stretched in Drum.

                                                        Remember his handicap during the fight was having that huge weight on him. Without that and the power of Gears….holy shitballs....he would have taken Maxim apart like an Erector set.

                                                        Considering that we don't see him stretch very much at all in Gear Two, I'm not sure how well Rocket would work there.

                                                        Gear Three is up in the air; his body stretches quite a bit, though it seems that he has trouble inflating more than one body part at a time. If so, a Gear Three Rocket would have one massive arm with one regular sized one. That might throw off his aim a bit. Of course, he might be able to half inflate each arm, but that would likely require more control of Gear Three than he currently possesses.

                                                        Of course, this is all provided that Ener doesn't know what he's up to and simply move Maxim out of the way before Luffy gets there. Assuming that his miniarc is occuring in real time (which is possible; the Miss Goldenweek arc has her receiving a newspaper reporting the demise of Baroque Works as front page news, which would indicate that it's only been a few days at most since that event), he's flown to the moon in a few weeks, which would mean that Maxim is pretty damn fast.

                                                        Anyway, tearing apart Maxim while he's on it and it's several hundred or thousand feet above sea level might not be the best idea. Not that that would stop Luffy of course.

                                                        Does Ener give two shits about the Blue Sea?

                                                        Probably not, but I don't know that he does about anything besides himself.

                                                        We may find out I imagine in his story and whether it connects to reality in OP or not (seeming unlikely but whatever) but although Ener was a sick bastard….he really didn't seem all that interested in the Blue Sea. Just my take on it, I'm not Oda.

                                                        He probably couldn't care less about the Blue Sea, but the mere fact that it would piss Luffy off if he went around destroying things would probably be enough of a motivation for him. That and the fact that he hasn't ever been there and his own inflated ego would push him towards going down and proving that he can run the place. Not that he necessarily could, but I doubt Ener would admit it.

                                                        I dunno if any of it's all that valid since we dunno if he'd actually care about doing anything but getting OUT of the Blue Sea. I'm not sure if he even has motivation to unleash Maxim's power down there beacuse his goal wth Skypiea was to return life to what it used to be. What good will that do on the Blue Sea?

                                                        I don't know that traditional motivation is key when discussing Ener for the reason mentioned above. Ultimately, he's been to the Fairy Vearth and has gotten bored with it (well, presumably, the original premise of this thread doesn't say as much) and has been to the White Sea and was bored with it. He might as well check out the Blue Sea as he's seen everything else.

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                                                          how can somebody be faster than lightning?

                                                          If enel was complaining about luffy's speed and cp9 were faster than luffy in w7 which is after skypiea. That means cp9 are faster than enel since luffy was faster than enel in skypiea. The stronger characters in OP are alot faster than cp9 making them faster than enel.

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                                                            Considering that we don't see him stretch very much at all in Gear Two, I'm not sure how well Rocket would work there.

                                                            Gear 2 does stretch, at super speed in fact. Otherwise, Luffy's punches wouldn't be able to reach Bluneo from a distance. Luffy sacrificing stretching for power is now a myth.

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                                                              Maybe I'm wrong…

                                                              but wasn't Eneru just so strong cause he could use his lightning attacks better... He was in the sky and nearer on the clouds... and for his Raigou he needs the Maxim and some dials

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                                                                Maybe I'm wrong…

                                                                but wasn't Eneru just so strong cause he could use his lightning attacks better... He was in the sky and nearer on the clouds... and for his Raigou he needs the Maxim and some dials

                                                                that makes his attacks weker, actually.

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                                                                  that makes his attacks weker, actually.

                                                                  OMG how in the hell does it make his attack weaker?:wassat:

                                                                  Why would Enel go threw all that trouble to make his attack weaker?

                                                                  Explain MR Poly, cuz right now your sounding stupid

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                                                                    OMG how in the hell does it make his attack weaker?:wassat:

                                                                    Why would Enel go threw all that trouble to make his attack weaker?

                                                                    Explain MR Poly, cuz right now your sounding stupid

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                                                                      Right, so he'd be stronger. However, just saying, if there was a silver silver logia, it would easily beat Eneru.

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                                                                        So Eneru would be even stronger in Blue Seas?

                                                                        And I wonder that why there is still some people who claims that he couldn't be Shichibukai.

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                                                                          **Lighting needs a medium to go through. There is less air in Skypeia because it is higher up, so there is less for his lighting to go through. When on the blue seas, there is more air to cunduct the lighting.

                                                                          Also, it's best not to call others stupid when you don't know what you're talking about. Makes you look stupid and an ass.**

                                                                          You dont know what your talking about Poly, how many times do i have to f%*ing say it, this is manga!!!!! Not reality. SO poly you mean to tell me that Oda really spends his time thinking about how much air theirs gonna be in Skypeia? I must LOL @ THIS, Or do you think that Oda would worry about something that significant, and really change how strong his attacks going to be? If so i feel sorry 4 u , that i do:ermm:

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                                                                            OMG how in the hell does it make his attack weaker?:wassat:

                                                                            Why would Enel go threw all that trouble to make his attack weaker?

                                                                            Explain MR Poly, cuz right now your sounding stupid

                                                                            Yawn You sound just like WHITEBEARD… even down to the emotes.

                                                                            Do you understand anything about lightning? It's the static electricity between a positive and negative charge between the ground and the thunderclouds. an initial bipolar discharge occurs in the negatively charged region of the thunderclouds, called a leader, which branches out several times as it approaches the ground. At this point, there is very little electric charge. As it approaches the ground, grounded objects with a positive charge (called positive streamers) arise and join with a leader, creating a closed circuit. This strikes back down to the ground as a return current and has a MUCH higher current than either the leader or the streamers alone.

                                                                            That's why the closer lightning is to the ground, the more powerful it is.

                                                                            I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                              Eneru WOULDN'T join the Shickibukai anyway. He'd see them as lowly mortals.

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                                                                                Eneru WOULDN'T join the Shickibukai anyway

                                                                                Maybe. But we are discussing that is he powerful enough to be one of them.
                                                                                I say that he is.

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                                                                                  You dont know what your talking about Poly, how many times do i have to f%*ing say it, this is manga!!!!! Not reality. SO poly you mean to tell me that Oda really spends his time thinking about how much air theirs gonna be in Skypeia? I must LOL @ THIS, Or do you think that Oda would worry about something that significant, and really change how strong his attacks going to be? If so i feel sorry 4 u , that i do:ermm:

                                                                                  **Oda puts an incredible amount of research into One Piece. He's far from stupid.

                                                                                  I suggest that you stop acting like this, and make an attempt to actually make sense. Instead of making things up which make little to no sense just to try and make me look like a fool. Which isn't working, by the way.**

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                                                                                    Yawn You sound just like WHITEBEARD… even down to the emotes.

                                                                                    Do you understand anything about lightning? It's the static electricity between a positive and negative charge between the ground and the thunderclouds. an initial bipolar discharge occurs in the negatively charged region of the thunderclouds, called a leader, which branches out several times as it approaches the ground. At this point, there is very little electric charge. As it approaches the ground, grounded objects with a positive charge (called positive streamers) arise and join with a leader, creating a closed circuit. This strikes back down to the ground as a return current and has a MUCH higher current than either the leader or the streamers alone.

                                                                                    That's why the closer lightning is to the ground, the more powerful it is.

                                                                                    Go read my last post and
                                                                                    your wrong, dont get mad cuz whitebeard owns your ass everytime you have a stupid theory. Whats next FF Ace, just because dragons name is dragon i bet you think he has a zoan type logia, and he's really going to turn into a dragon… I tried to be cool with you FF ace ya know, but now you called me outta my name. Me WB, ha WB wishes he was me...

                                                                                    @Poly im not trying to make you look like a fool, your doing that all by yourself......

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                                                                                      I'd just like to add that while everything FFA said was true, knowledge of everything he wrote there is not even remotley neccary to understand that the closer to the ground, the mosre power electricity has. Oda knew Rubber insulates electricity. He does research stuff about his manga to a certain extent, he would know something like this. @Final:

                                                                                      @Poly im not trying to make you look like a fool, your doing that all by yourself…...

                                                                                      I really don't care. It's not you or me who decide who's the fool, it's the people watching.

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                                                                                        Someone just post a link explaining it clearly then that will be that.

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                                                                                          I'd just like to add that while everything FFA said was true, knowledge of everything he wrote there is not even remotley neccary to understand that the closer to the ground, the mosre power electricity has. Oda knew Rubber insulates electricity. He does research stuff about his manga to a certain extent, he would know something like this.

                                                                                          So what you mean to tell me, is that the hight of skypeia lead to enel destruction?

                                                                                          Since enels attacks were weakned he wasnt able to defeat luffy, or melt his ass? Is that what your trying to tell me?:blink:

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                                                                                            So what you mean to tell me, is that the hight of skypeia lead to enel destruction?

                                                                                            Since enels attacks were weakned he wasnt able to defeat luffy, or melt his ass? Is that what your trying to tell me?:blink:

                                                                                            No, if I was, I would have mentioned Luffy.

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                                                                                              No, if I was, I would have mentioned Luffy.

                                                                                              Let me show you how much of fool you are Poly, The OP world is different from ours…. Hmmmmm less air in skypeia you say? That is totally false? You wanna know why i think that. Because its Manga, you know how i know its manga, cuz fucking enel is breathing in fucking space!!!!!!!! Explain that with your fucking logic FF Ace and Poly... See how far it gets you.

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                                                                                                Final End, you are making fool of yourself.

                                                                                                What Polygon and "Fire Fist" have said, makes sense. why are you arquing so much?

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                                                                                                  Let me show you how much of fool you are Poly, The OP world is different from ours…. Hmmmmm less air in skypeia you say? That is totally false? You wanna know why i think that. Because its Manga, you know how i know its manga, cuz fucking enel is breathing in fucking space!!!!!!!! Explain that with your fucking logic FF Ace and Poly… See how far it gets you.

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                                                                                                  There is less air, or else Luffy, Sanji and Zoro wouldn't be gasping for breath when they tried to fight Wiper.

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                                                                                                    Final End, you are making fool of yourself.

                                                                                                    What Polygon and "Fire Fist" have said, makes sense. why are you arquing so much?

                                                                                                    You go read my last post, thats why!!!!

                                                                                                    @poly: ok poly i'll give you that, but i still wont give you, that less air will make enel attacks weaker. That i will not. Because it thats the case I guess enel wont be able to use any lightning attacks in space cuz theirs no air…Oh yeah he also wont be able to breath right? Wrong he's doing it

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                                                                                                      You go read my last post, thats why!!!!

                                                                                                      Answer:

                                                                                                      There is less air, or else Luffy, Sanji and Zoro wouldn't be gasping for breath when they tried to fight Wiper.

                                                                                                      And Final End, you can't explain everything by saying "Lol, this is manga!!11!!".
                                                                                                      Oda isn't stupid. He puts research this things.

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                                                                                                        Go read my last post and
                                                                                                        your wrong, dont get mad cuz whitebeard owns your ass everytime you have a stupid theory. Whats next FF Ace, just because dragons name is dragon i bet you think he has a zoan type logia, and he's really going to turn into a dragon… I tried to be cool with you FF ace ya know, but now you called me outta my name. Me WB, ha WB wishes he was me...

                                                                                                        @Poly im not trying to make you look like a fool, your doing that all by yourself......

                                                                                                        Don't be stupid… oh, wait, too late.

                                                                                                        Using that "This is a manga" argument is pathetic. I could say this is a manga, does that mean Luffy can magically fly to Raftel and become Pirate King by snapping his fingers? Does that mean Zoro can pull the ultimate supersword that cuts lightning in half out of Usopp's ass and use it to cut the planet in half?

                                                                                                        Just because this is a manga doesn't mean it follows SOME rules of reality. Oda does his research and just because you think that "it's a manga" doesn't mean that there aren't some laws of reality to follow.

                                                                                                        Whitebeard, btw, never owns, me, and neither do you. Stop trying to make yourself feel better. Your bad grammar and you use of emotes ensures that no one will ever take you seriously.

                                                                                                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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