I already stated what I thought it was; when your ambitions, and your spirit and will to see them through, grow strong enough, it begins to affect the people around you.
This "color" is likely little more than terminology.
I already stated what I thought it was; when your ambitions, and your spirit and will to see them through, grow strong enough, it begins to affect the people around you.
This "color" is likely little more than terminology.
"Haki of a King" does not necessarily mean Haki of someone who wants to be a (Pirate) King. And, I don't think one's specific goal determines what kind of Haki he/she will have. It's the determination for achieving that goal, that determines the Haki.
Luffy has a unquenchable unbeatable thirst to be the Pirate King. Nothing brings down his will to become the Pirate King. He defies death for his ambition and dream. This strong will and determination to prove himself caable to become the PK, makes him have "King Haki".
Same for Zoro. He willingly accepts death rather than defeat. His principles and determination to become the greatest swordsman is just as strong as Luffy's PK ambition. Imo, Zoro will also have "King Haki".
Sanji and the rest have their own ambition, but their determinations vary from person to person. I don't think Sanji will have a "King Haki", but he will get the next most powerful Haki.
Like said by Marygold, its the Haki to stand above others. Both Luffy and Zoro have the ambition/dream to prove themselves the best pirate and swordsman respectively.
please read the scanlation carefully, Sandersonia was clearly counting at that time http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/16/
and at the moment of the final count Luffy released a shout w/ HAOUSHOKU HAKI which has the power to stand above others w/ effect that cud make people obey/enslaved or etc just like Hancock using her charm w/c cud be probably a haki
So upon hearing/feeling what Luffy said "the 2 sisters obeyed Luffy" because of his haki of what we know that cud stand above others
(well it's late sry for the typos and im getting 2 sleep now 'night)
It's only because they were surprised that he could Haki.
You said the she was counting.
Why do you think she was counting?
She would just have to break Margaret directly.
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I doubt that Haki is related with Ki, energy and thinks like this and I see it more like a wind that flows from the spirit of the owner, when more powerful is the spirit more powerful is the "wind haki".
Of course everyone in the one piece world can have it, and it is manifested in a lot of different arts like Mantra, Rokoushiki and other arts but they are nothing more than small applications of Haki that can be applied by everyone.
Sorry if any of this has been discussed before, but a few things came to my mind after I read this chapter:
1. If what the Amazons were saying is true, that people not native to Amazon Lily do not know how to utilize Haki, it would mean that most people who have used it before either developed it on their own, or learnt it from Amazons (for example, like Garp, who managed to inflict a painful punch on Luffy before). You think there's a good chance that other people were developing it on their own, outside of tutelage under an Amazon?
2. If Haki is really so powerful, I'm still surprised that so few people have exhibited it prior to this chapter. I mean, look at Crocodile and Moria, two Shichibukai, who didn't display any Haki at all. They might not have decided to use Haki, but it seems strange to me that these two people who must have known more of the world's workings, did not attempt to learn / use Haki at all. Hey, even Lucchi didn't use Haki.
3. For that matter, if I recall correctly, none of the 11 Supernovas used Haki either, right?
4. And if the answer to why more people aren't using Haki is that not everyone can use Haki, then even amongst the Amazons, there must be some of them who can't use Haki. I wonder what the other Haki-enabled Amazons think of those Amazons who can't utilize Haki.
5. I can't wait to see Hancock utilize Haki in a fight! So far she's been over-reliant on her powers and it doesn't seem like she's much of a brawler at all. But Oda often misleads us so yea. =)
Peace out.
Hancock: Same Haoh-colored Haki as me…!!? What's going on here...
Perhaps he's not just a normal brat....? But he doesn't seem to be able to control it himself yet.
This is the whole line. I don't know what translations you guys are reading, but Hancock is referring to LUFFY not being able to control Haki, not herself.
Hancock: Same Haoh-colored Haki as me…!!? What's going on here...
Perhaps he's not just a normal brat....? But he doesn't seem to be able to control it himself yet.This is the whole line. I don't know what translations you guys are reading, but Hancock is referring to LUFFY not being able to control Haki, not herself.
Juat My question cuz this is bother me…does Luffy has that type color because inherent or he achieve that color from harsh training??? :wassat:
Hancock: Same Haoh-colored Haki as me…!!? What's going on here...
Perhaps he's not just a normal brat....? But he doesn't seem to be able to control it himself yet.This is the whole line. I don't know what translations you guys are reading, but Hancock is referring to LUFFY not being able to control Haki, not herself.
That's what I thought she was supposed to say, thanks for the clarification. Makes more sense.
Yokozuna can also use Haki because he was able to hurt Luffy the same way than Sentomaru.
Come on, nami clearly has "the color of money".
The secret ambition to acquire wealth, mastered by martin scorsese in 1986, ha.
On a more serious note, that was a fine fighting-chapter and a kinda historical moment: Not only do we discover that luffy does indeed have "a haki" but we also learn what type it is and he's able to use it against human people for the first time. Yay.
If thats true then I'm theorizing that all people that go though sumo training are unwittingly taught Haki.
just a random thought: Stand the "will of D." for the "mind" or for something like an testament?
just a random thought: Stand the "will of D." for the "mind" or for something like an testament?
the D stands for DREAM.
No, it stands for "Dumbass".
Where you got that dream-thing from? I was allways under the impression it's just a family name, and i have never seen anything "official" about that matter
(note: the dumbass-part was not directed at anyone here :p)
the D stands for DREAM.
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Anyhow, I LO~VE how Hancock' s looking down so much on people, that she' s actually looking up. Makes me smile every time.
@LC:
OK, finally got my fix after 2 weeks, so I think I'll toss my hat in this.
First off, slightly disappointed that the Boa sisters weren't outright crushed after that cakewalk of a panther. I suppose it's necessary for Luffy to learn about Haki, and the only way for Luffy to learn something is to fight it and figure it out in mid battle (see Soru). However, every second these snakes get either continued admiration or consiousness is another second I spend screaming "FINISH THEM!".
Bringing past logic into this, I believe Gear 2nd and 3rd by themselves should be enough to finish them. Luffy said it best to Satori in The Ordeal of Balls:
Knowledge of something is only relevant if it's able to be applied. We already know that Gear 2nd & 3rd have the capability to break through a "Tekkai", and if Luffy can pull off enough speed, dodging will be difficult, if not impossible. Best case scenario - we get a move I've been dreaming of ever since Luffy revealed Gear 2nd = " 'JET' Hanabi!" (Fireworks).
There's no need for Luffy to apply Haki yet. At his level of awareness, it's only good for knocking out underlings at random times. If and when Luffy ever learns how to apply it to his attacks, he'll introduce them in his rematch with either Aokiji, Kizaru, or Sentomaru.
Against the lesser Gorgons Gear 2 and Gear 3 might indeed be sufficient, but after those two there's still Hancock and against her he'll need Haki.
like i said in the spoiler thread. i think haki is a technique that was made to fight devil fruits. like lets say one technologically advanced kingdom invented devil fruits and created a very powerful army then another less advanced kingdom would have to do something to counteract their power. since they are not very advanced lets say they learn how to use haki to counter devil fruits users powers and have a chance in a war. since in the one piece history there was a kingdom that pretty much disappeared then maybe they did end up getting wiped out by the kingdom with devil fruits but the survivors took with them that technique and kept teaching people how to use it. maybe the D people are survivors of that kingdom?
the more i think about the more i think that everybody in the one piece world has "haki" but mastering how to use it is the difficult part. luffy right now is shown leaking out his haki but luffy does not know what it is and i don't know if he would ever learn how to master it if somebody doesn't sit him down and explain things. maybe that is the reason why somebody like buggy never kept up with shanks? shanks mastered his haki but buggy never bothered to and stayed at a certain level. everybody must have haki within them because how would so many of the women on the island know how to use haki? i bet there are some that are weaker than arlong but learned how to use haki to make themselves more powerful.
things like mantra and even cp 9's techniques are probably all connected to haki. they are all just parts of haki. once you master haki then you probably can do everything they were able to. if that is the case then luffy will be able to ditch gears and learn how to use soru using haki and how become stronger as well. i think luffy has pretty much reached his peak when it comes to brute force and it's time for him to master haki to strengthen himself even more.
uMMMMMMMMMM after reading the chapter i realize (like you all have i bet) that we saw haki used in ski island lots of times, as a matter of fact i believe oda introduce it on sky island with two different types one used by enuru and that spear guy and the other by that little girl ( her name escapes me)
Haki is a sprite power. it comes in a few types so far only two have been named but four have been shown.
Mantra- used to enel, eneru's orb guy, and one of the goron sisters- this form of haki allows the person to predict a person movements, and when hound it can even read peoples thoughts. Eneru used this almost to its maximum potential
next is haoshoku so far this form of haki has been used by shanks, raylieght, and luffy, also boa hancock is sad to be able to use this one. This one is a High form of Intimidation. It well even knock out opponents that or severely weaker then the wilder.
also theres ???1 This form haki is used by the little girl in sky island arc. It allows the user to hear voice over great distance.
and last (so far) thiers ???2 which is used by sentomarou and the fat goron sister and possibly kuma. This form of haki allows the user to repel most attacks however the user must be focused one the spot being attack to able to repel it. When combined with kumas paw paw fruit its increased 10 fold
Haki can also be fused with object to make then harder/strong then they would normally be.
Haki is something that must be develop, and it can be come stronger the more you train with it, as shown with enel warriors.
I highly doubt that more then two people can posses two separate types of haki.
i posted this some where else what do you guys think about it.
Gol D's ability to hear the voice of "All Things" might also be a form of haki.
added cnet's translation
imho the better translation of the chapter
i posted this some where else what do you guys think about it.
It's possible. Aside from Haki being similar to Mantra, both ancient Shandia and the Kuja followed a snake cult. It could be that the Kuja is an offshot civilization of Shandia. Whether it's likely is another issue. Right now the information we have is too thin.
however one of the goron sister is using the exact same techique, and it would seem thats here form of haki.
It's possible. Aside from Haki being similar to Mantra, both ancient Shandia and the Kuja followed a snake cult. It could be that the Kuja is an offshot civilization of Shandia. Whether it's likely is another issue. Right now the information we have is too thin.
Nice connection. Something to ponder…
I'm surprised no one thinks that Haki and Mantra are one and the same. :p
My theory is that Mantra is a TYPE of Haki. An explanation to a long ago technique, oh Oda, you dog you
@Haki:
i posted this some where else what do you guys think about it.
Nice connection. Something to ponder…
I'm surprised no one thinks that Haki and Mantra are one and the same. :p
Since discussion on this is coming back up, I might as well post what I said earlier in the thread again:
Looking back and reading some of the Mantra stuff again I was wrong, and it seems more likely now (to me) that it might possibly be able to be learned and therefore might in fact have been something related to or in actuality have been "Haki". In this case I would say perhaps the people we have seen with the ability thus far, as well as Sandersonia, were all born with a "color" that is strong in that area. I'm just theorizing of course, but who knows. If it is Haki…that is. I have a small and basic list of pro's and con's for it that are just off the top of my head.
Pros:
- "Color" of Haki could support the idea of specific people having natural strengths in specific uses of Haki; the "color" could be innate, so they could be "born" with it. Would just need to develop it from there.
- Rayleigh and Shanks know Haki, so it is likely Roger does. Rayleigh mentioned – during all this "Haki" buildup -- that Roger could 'hear the voice of all things', which we assume might have been Haki, while also being very similar to Mantra. Mentioned below.
- The Skypiea people and the priest in the Jaya flashback all refer to Mantra and hearing the voices of living things. IE: Aisa knowing when people died.
- Sandersonia uses an identical ability that is yet to be explained, but the chapter seems to emphasize that it was somewhat unique to Sandersonia.
- Different people had varying levels of Mantra. Haki seems to already be suggesting that different "colors" allow different strengths and abilities in the use of Haki.
Cons:
- Luffy didn't have any thought bubble that related what Sandersonia did to Mantra. Usually this type of thing would happen, but perhaps Oda didn't want to be too obvious.
- Mantra itself was never fully explained. However, while I cannot find anything that says you need to be born with the ability, it is suggested since (at least) Aisa is explained as to having been born with the ability.
- Haki itself has yet to be explained, so most of the pros could easily be null.
- More that I forgot while writing this.
I remember saying back then (Skypiea Arc) that I had wished Luffy would learn a very basic form (like Satori's) of Mantra.
How much does Luffy look like Gold Roger at the end. The D look, undoubtedly.
How is this new haki different to the one Shanks or Rayleigh used? I didn't see any other trait in it which makes it differ. It's about time Luffy tapped into "that" form of strength… it just prepares him for the New World. There have been several turning points in the last volume.
Funny how Luffy does not even realize he went Haki-mode and back.
@Xai:
Funny how Luffy does not even realize he went Haki-mode and back.
Not saying this will happen, but he may still be in "Haki-mode" right now. He might unintentionally use it to add damage and disrupt some of they moves or abilities during the next chapter and OHKO them. For all we know I mean. The way I see it is either [[B]a] Luffy uses Gear 2nd and / or 3rd and manages to be stronger and faster than the sisters and can therefore damage them, or [[B]b] his normal Gear 2nd and / or 3rd still wouldn't have been strong enough, but since he is still leaking Haki everywhere he will gain the upper hand and hopefully realize what he is doing.
The reason I am so curious about this is because even though he decided to go "all out" while fighting Sentoumaru (who was using Haki), he still got messed up. We are kind of seeing the same type of fight right now: Haki overpowering his abilities by nulling his attacks and his defense. So unless we are to see these two sisters as drastically weaker than Sentoumaru, then I can totally imagine Luffy unintentionally using Haki to defeat them. So….yeah.
Not saying this will happen, but he may still be in "Haki-mode" right now. He might unintentionally use it to add damage and disrupt some of they moves or abilities during the next chapter and OHKO them. For all we know I mean. The way I see it is either [[B]a] Luffy uses Gear 2nd and / or 3rd and manages to be stronger and faster than the sisters and can therefore damage them, or [[B]b] his normal Gear 2nd and / or 3rd still wouldn't have been strong enough, but since he is still leaking Haki everywhere he will gain the upper hand and hopefully realize what he is doing.
The reason I am so curious about this is because even though he decided to go "all out" while fighting Sentoumaru (who was using Haki), he still got messed up. We are kind of seeing the same type of fight right now: Haki overpowering his abilities by nulling his attacks and his defense. So unless we are to see these two sisters as drastically weaker than Sentoumaru, then I can totally imagine Luffy unintentionally using Haki to defeat them. So….yeah.
Luffy apparently used Haki without realizing it. 'Cause right after his Haki-outburst, he calmly says "So, you people can be reasoned with". He apparently thinks that the sisters did not crush Margaret because Luffy was pleading them not to do so. He probably does not realize that they were too surprised by his (unintentional?) use of Haki. This makes me think that Luffy just let go of a haki burst sub-consiously/unintentionally.
However, the last pane confuses me a bit. That's not the Luffy grin we are used to. Thats not normal Luffy, even with the excitement of a good fight. That pic had initially made me believe that Luffy had entered a "haki-rush", so to speak.
Now, I am not too sure either way :unsure:
Guys I just noticed this:
[hide][/hide]
Who is that in the tower?
The old CP9? The Gorosei? The Shikibukai? Tourists?
Edit: Can't be the Shiki. There are 7 silhouettes.
but luffy was tired when he was fighting Sentoumaru(he never was "all out" in the fight against Sentoumaru)
i wish shank has haki of the god, 1 in a zillion. i just dont like the fact that boa got a haki as cool as luffy.
I was wondering where CP9 were. I just assumed they weren't included this particular time.
But Luffy was tired when he was fighting Sentoumaru.
I know. It doesn't change the fact that the fight has the same setup though. That was my real point.
@Who:
Guys I just noticed this: Who is that in the tower?
I was wondering where CP9 were. I just assumed they weren't included this particular time.
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@brennen.exe:
Oh! And PS: I quickly cleaned the whole chapter, but mainly here is the cover page cleaned and shrunk a bit. See the CP9 chillin' on the balcony of the tower?
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! ^^ I technically didn't finish cleaning this, but who cares!? Here it is anyway!!
If someone uses my enlarged version for a scanlation please let me know via
PM. I don't really care, want, or deserve credit; I would just like to know. Thnx!
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Now, hold on. Did you edit that into your post? Once people read a post they are less likely to go back and read it once again. So if you edited that post after a couple of posts went by, I doubt that anyone saw it.
CP9. You can see Fukurou's big bulk.
We only see the back of the guy who's training the kids but he may be Wanze from CP7.
Now, hold on. Did you edit that into your post? Once people read a post they are less likely to go back and read it once again. So if you edited that post after a couple of posts went by, I doubt that anyone saw it.
No. It was my original post. I edited the post by adding the full size image as a link just in case someone wanted the cleaned page for a scanslation. From the looks of it no one really cleaned this chapter except for me. PLUS! That post was at the top of the page where it is most likely to be read!! So saaad. snifle
Well, first: I read your original post, and while I could rebuttal a few things, for the most part I like what you had to say. Next, I realize now that what I commented on initially was actually a rhetorical question, so sorry about that. Lastly, to respond to this post:
It's not so much that I think that what they are doing with Haki is "purposely bypassing the DF's natural defense", but rather the power it gives you allows for more strength etc., and as a byproduct can even have an effect on what should not be possible. In translation, it would be bypassing the natural defense a DF could give you. My reason for thinking this is possible, and also my my point of evidence for it is Rayleigh. If what Rayleigh was using – which we are led to believe, and I will touch on in a moment -- is Haki, then it must have been what allowed him to hurt and effect, but not negate, Kizaru's DF power. We are led to believe that Rayleigh was using it since Hacchin mentioned that Rayleigh had already used Haki, and Oda had been building Haki up and was obviously setting up this arc / saga as the revealing point for Haki. How do we know that? Arc starts off with Luffy using it accidentally on Motobaru, they then land on the groves where Rayleigh uses it – and then it is named. Following this, we see Sentoumaru hurt Luffy in a way that isn't normal, and he goes out of his way to state that it wasn't a Devil's Fruit. Finally, immediately after that Rayleigh does essentially the same thing to Kizaru, and instead of saying "How is he doing that?", Sentoumaru simply says "I haven't seen anyone give old man Kizaru a tough time like that in a while", which suggests he knows how Rayleigh is hurting him. THEN, we have Haki-Island. So, unless Oda was throwing in something else – Rayleigh -- to confuse us, then it had to have been Haki. Oh, and lastly if what Rayleigh used was anything else, then it should have stopped Kizaru more efficiently than simply allowing him to be hurt and that is all. IE: Were it a sea stone sword, Kizaru shouldn't have been able to fight back with a "Light"-saber because the sea stone sword would have made the power vanish. So no "negating" took place.
Given all of that, we can at least have a decent assumption that it might have been Haki that they were using. As for a punch being strong enough to hurt Luffy, and therefore Haki simply amplifying strength with will; well, I have already touched on that before. Let me dig up the old post really quick.
Luffy has already been harmed without someone using Haki IIRC, Rob Lucci with his overwhelming strength, and then there was that guy with the Acx, but he had been using Haki most likely
I believe that Haki is this aura strengthened by some sort of feeling that depending on how it is expressed affects enemies in a different way
This Haki that Luffy has shown when he was expressing a powerful emotion or determination (twice now)
It must be like Reyleigh's and Shanks' because they seem to have a control over it but can use it whenever they want (though with Shanks on Whitebeard's ship I think it was immature to punk the weaklings )
Obviously this power comes from somewhere, but the closest explanation for these three's presence using it most likely is probably what Reyleigh said about Roger's crew being able to hear the breath of everything (I can't bring much of a conclusion out, but perhaps when they take out others what they are doing is stopping what makes everyone else have their breath either stop for a moment knocking out weaklings, or as long as they want)
I also have reason to believe Boa Hancocks power can be blocked by this King of Haki, because Luffy is impervious and has King of Haki, and that vice-Admiral possibly stopped its affect by putting up a defense through stabbing himself
Boa Hancock, may or may not be using some form of Haki to enhance her Devil Fruit, but there is no indication she has yet shown us here King of Haki
Now for the Mantra thing… That was a form of hearing they used to predict movements through logic quickly, and there is no reason to say that a DF might not be able to enhance it I.E. Eneru, and Sandersonia being a SNAKE which gives little arguement against her hearing what Luffy is doing almost perfectly
Snakes hear through vibrations in the ground, and with a larger snake I bet she can hear the ocean waves that hit the island right now....
It may or may not link to Rodger's voice of everything (which Zoro has when he is near death)
It can be said that Zoro also has Haki used to influence his own spirit to give him awesome appearance, improve his blades striking power so the attacks go through the air, and that with his own strength is all pretty badass
I was thinking that the cover could be the the future CP9 that the WG has picked out. Anyway, awesome chapter. Luffy looked so cool at the end. I knew he'd get serious at the end of this chapter. He may beat Marigold and Sandersonia by the end of 520 hopefully.
I was thinking that the cover could be the the future CP9 that the WG has picked out. Anyway, awesome chapter. Luffy looked so cool at the end. I knew he'd get serious at the end of this chapter. He may beat Marigold and Sandersonia by the end of 520 hopefully.
Cover story is, i guess yes future CP9 or 10? And that teacher there is that fat bastards of CP9 mother… This island i guess is Roushiki/that marine CQC thing training place.
We only see the back of the guy who's training the kids but he may be Wanze from CP7.
God no. Are you insane? Wanze training the next gen of CP9?
Like I've been saying it's probably the guy/girl that trained the OG CP9 while they observe from the tower.
@Gum:
Boa Hancock, may or may not be using some form of Haki to enhance her Devil Fruit, but there is no indication she has yet shown us here King of Haki
Boa has already used her King Haki ability alot of times. She has shown her ability to rule over others. Everytime she tells someone to forgive her becuase she beautiful and they do. She has also shown the ability to temporary control people without them knowing it. A couple of examples was the marines on the boat when Boa was first introduced. Boa asked them to bring her cargo and they just did it and then when Momoga asked them wtf they were doing. They had no idea. Or a beautiful example is when the old lady was talking to boa and Boa did her puppy dog face. The old lady comment on how Boa looked and appeared to be charmed. A second later she snapped right out of it. Boa hasn't shown the KO ability yet but she has shown Haki abilities that a strong ruler of someone's will would be able to do or aka a King's ability.
As for the what aohige AP said about the mistranslaiton about Boa refering to Luffy not master it yet instead of her does make alot more sense. Considering she's from been using it for a while and Amazon Lily seems to know everything about Haki, there Leader should be a master of it. Especially if its a ability that only she can do.
i don't know.. somehow.. I have a feeling that Handcock might join Luffy's crew.. she's 'sorta' evil (like Franky) and she's kinda funny with the way she's looking down (up) upon others. Brook has that 'Can I see Panty thing' and Franky has the 'Funny Post thing'
… at this piont of OP... they also need for strong character and not weakling like Margarette.... the chystal ball predicted that she 'must live' so that maybe the foreshadow of how she still have important mission that she need to accomplish.... well.. maybe just maybe... if her Haki is infact the 'Queen' Haki...instead of 'King' Haki.... imagine... what the speculations would be.... for the rest of the OP.... Nami VS Hancock for Luffy's XXX :)
Also.. if infact Oda does get into 'hooking up' scenerio later in the series.. then wouldn't Handcock be the perfect pair with Sanji? One is really chivalrous (spelling?) toward woman and the other is totally looking down at men ... opposite attract.... and while Robin has been 'pairing' up with Franky quite a bit (and their age also)... Nami somehow always... be pair up with Usopp (Foxy and Thriller Arc....) and ofcouse Soro will somehow connect to the marine girl with the sword.. that stay with smoker? just maybe.. if Oda turn the serie around a bit and add the romatic element in there even vaguely...
@Gum:
Luffy has already been harmed without someone using Haki IIRC, Rob Lucci with his overwhelming strength, and then there was that guy with the Acx, but he had been using Haki most likely
Eh? Wasn't Lucci able to hurt Luffy because he used his claw (A sharp object) to pretty much stab and slash Luffy?