I'm thinking that…
1. Ando isn't really dead, but Hiro did this to protect him.
...and I'm hoping that...
2. Vortex man will appear in a future episode learning that he can travel through his own vortexes.
I really liked him and he had such a cool power. Other than that, this episode has proved to me that the majority of these "Heroes" are complete and total idiotic morons.
Maya is awesome, you guys are gay.
She just needs to get back together with Syler.
Maya became awesome when she stopped wearing a bra and stopped whining about finding Dr. Suresh.
So. I guess NBC is screwing up with all the powers getting tossed around like crazy?? I'm sure there are more errors floating around, but I was really irked this episode when Sylar couldn't "hear" the conversation between Noah, Vortex-Man, and Claire. I could be wrong, but since having his powers "healed" he has proven to be able to use quite a few of his old powers – so why not the hearing one...?
He was looking at them pretty intently, maybe he was hearing them? If not… major plothole there.
this puppet guy is pretty creepy so far.
WTFFFF
! Adam DIED?! WHY?! I really liked him, such wasted potential.
"Yo. When do you think people die? When their heart is pierced by the bullet of a pistol? No. When they are ravaged by an incurable disease? No. When they drink a soup made from a poisonous mushroom!? No! People die….when they are forgotten. THIS HAS TRULY BEEN A WONDERFUL LIFE!!!"-Dr.Hiluluk
anyone kno where i can see a GOOD quality stream of this online?
i watched episode 1 on some shitty site, it was pretty good. So i wanna catch up
Mr. African Issac made me giggle.
WTFFFF
! Adam DIED?! WHY?! I really liked him, such wasted potential.
Knowing Heroes he'll probably come back. Maybe Adam doesn't know he's invincible, and he will regenerate. Also, he's not great of a character. He pisses me off too that he's just another character with a rehashed power.
anyone kno where i can see a GOOD quality stream of this online?
i watched episode 1 on some shitty site, it was pretty good. So i wanna catch up
HOLY SHIT Peter just fucked Sylar up. Damn!
How's this gonna work out?
YOU'RE GROUNDED!
Pretty cool episode overall. Like how Hiro tricked everyone when he killed Ando. Parkman and his turtle are classic.
yeah i only see like 5 episodes the newest ones im guessing
im talkin bout season 1
yeah i only see like 5 episodes the newest ones im guessing
im talkin bout season 1
Not especially. Try www.sidereel.com and just type in the show and you'll find potential links, they don't all go anywhere though. Or just buy the DVDs. Whichever floats your boat.
yea i'm confused on the whole sylar powers as well. Like of his old powers it seems he only ever uses telekinises. And does he have the shapeshifting one, from that chic or what. I wish they would have a site that showed their powers they have. (if shown, don't need to spoil)
Cause its confusing. But I think Sylar maybe had the hearing. I mean he did seem to tell Claire a shit ton of what happened for beign so far away. unless he is an awesome detective and from that far away just depicted what they where talkign abotu from actions.
No, Noah is the incredible detective like-Batman character, Gabriel must have simply had the super hearing and the show did not depict it correctly.
I cannot imagine Syler also being a super-genius detective in order to make a spy-vs-spy style game between them. After all Syler already has the super-powers, if he's super sneaky also, the plot becomes uninteresting because Noah can't keep up.
Good thing that Hiro did not kill Ando, I like the part when Hiro gets hit with a shovel XD
Seeing Hiro get frustrated always makes me laugh.
I cannot imagine Syler also being a super-genius.
So, a few episodes ago when he arrives on the crime scene with Noah for the first time and suddenly acts like an FBI agent. taking control of the crime scene moments after Noah fails is…........? Let's face it, his natural power is "figuring out how things work". Just from watching he learns that the black guy feeds off peoples' fear, just as from watching he figures out how Noah is manipulating and controlling situations, just as how he watches and figures out how Noah plans to kill him, just as how he watches and touches* Claire and knows how she feels about him and the wholes situation. I think NBC just screwed up by forgetting that Sylar had ______ power.
On another note, I was glad to see Peter actually use a plethora of powers he has required, while being extremely disappointed in him giving into his fathers offer so quickly. I mean you walk into a room filled with known baddies, see your dad who should be dead, and have an understanding the he screwed your mom up and is seemingly heading a very dangerous company that revolves around powers – so logically your father should have some sort of power that screwed your mom up – so........let's give daddy a hug and let down our defenses!!
*I suppose this could have been his more recently acquired ability of knowing the history of whatever he touches....?
He got his ass kicked by VenomPeter didn't he? He's obviously not that smart.
Regardless of his ability to figure shit out, he is not quick on his feet, he has answers, but he doesn't know the questions.
He's obviously not that smart.
Proves nothing. He kicked everyone's ass for a few seasons! By himself! If anything he was conflicted with Peter this past episode because they are "brothers". In fact, if anyone is an idiot for anything – it's Peter for hugging his crazy dad this episode. Why!?
All the characters have Oedipus/Electra complex.. I mean Peter is dating his niece and all, putting sick little ideas to uncles all across the world.
Off screen!
Not to metion…good for them. I'm sure the sex is great.
Also, Oedipus/Electra complex deals with the mother/father.
Oedipus - a son's overattachment to his mother (Syler might have this issue).
Electra - a daughter's overattachment to her father (KINDA Claire, but she doesn't hate her mother or want her gone - which is generally what is wanted in an Electra Complex).
I'm sure the sex is great.
How do you figure? Hayde– Claire can't feel anything anymore, right?
How do you figure? Hayde– Claire can't feel anything anymore, right?
She sure doesn't sound like it! 
Okay, that was awful.
This is why Sylar couldn't hear it
After being injected with the Shanti virus by the Company, Sylar loses all of his abilities. After he is cured at the end of the second season, he only regains his abilities of intuitive aptitude and telekinesis.[8] Rebuilding his power base in the third season, Sylar acquires the following abilities:
Power Victim Episode
Rapid cellular regeneration Claire Bennet "The Second Coming"
Alchemic transmutation Bob Bishop "The Butterfly Effect"
Clairsentience Bridget Bailey "One of Us, One of Them"
Sound manipulation
(expressed through voice) Jesse Murphy "One of Us, One of Them"
After being injected with the Shanti virus by the Company, Sylar loses all of his abilities. After he is cured at the end of the second season, he only regains his abilities of intuitive aptitude and telekinesis.
Ah. Well tell Wikipedia I said thank you for posting that information with a link to that Q/A from comicbookresources.com. Sounds like they are just covering their asses though because they screwed up. Furthermore, they are going to have to cover their asses again because they showed him (Sylar) using the painting power he stole from Isaac Mendez and the radioactive power he stole from the caveman-looking guy. From your same source they simply state that "the source [of the power] hasn't yet been stated". <– Hah! Convenient.
I heard that Jeph Loeb and another writer were fired from the show, anyone got any info on this or is just a rumor?
really? REALLY? what a terrible terrible episode. I was on the verge of falling asleep.
Two amazing powers doomed to the faggotry of Sylar and flashback hell.
Homeless Colossus man and Spiritgun, I knew ye well.
Now Hiro is gonna lose his powers, and get trapped in Africa, Mumbo Jumbo got his head cut off, and Matt has turned into a shittier version of Sanji.
Everything that made this series amazing has been stomped on. It's like Naruto. It started off amazing, part two came, and we thought it might have some hope, and then Sasori destroyed my hopes. Season 2 was the equivilent of the Sai/Sasuke arc.
However Hidan and Kakuzu came along and I thought, hey it could be getting better. But it was ruined because Kishi sucks. And Heroes ruined because of shitty writers.
I think I might just watch Prison Break next week instead, and that show is so far in the shitter.
Everyone in the series is so fucking retarted, I think its all the inbreeding because everyone is related
also seems like the more screen time someone gets the worse they get
I keep tuning in hoping the show will improve itself back to being like season 1
but alas
oh and Issac stop writing comics after your death
This is why Sylar couldn't hear it
After being injected with the Shanti virus by the Company, Sylar loses all of his abilities. After he is cured at the end of the second season, he only regains his abilities of intuitive aptitude and telekinesis.[8] Rebuilding his power base in the third season, Sylar acquires the following abilities:
Power Victim Episode
Rapid cellular regeneration Claire Bennet "The Second Coming"
Alchemic transmutation Bob Bishop "The Butterfly Effect"
Clairsentience Bridget Bailey "One of Us, One of Them"
Sound manipulation
(expressed through voice) Jesse Murphy "One of Us, One of Them"
Super late reply, I know, but in the episode where Future Peter takes Present Peter to the future to see what's up, Sylar once again has Ted's nuclear powers, thus negating part of your argument. There could be other reasons for him having that particular power again, but I'm going to chalk it up to lazy writing and try not to rationalize the poor quality of this season.
actually i just took that off wikipedia
also lol at Heroes this week
i'm about to drop this series
actually i just took that off wikipedia
also lol at Heroes this week
i'm about to drop this series
raises hand
Might I ask what was so bad about it?
I saw it too.
raises hand
Might I ask what was so bad about it?
I saw it too.
It wasn't that bad of an episode. But they've gone back once again to something from the first season. Next week's preview looks interesting.
How was it even possible for adam (who has the same ability as clair) to stay in that coffin buried underground? Shouldn't he have suffocated?
In the training with her mom, Clair almost suffocated herself. So that doesn't make any sense.
He joked that quickly he wondered, "What was I thinking?" noting that a serialized show is "an absolute bear to do." Kring said he's also finding, "It's a very flawed way of telling stories on network television right now, because of the advent of the DVR and online streaming. The engine that drove [serialized TV] was you had to be in front of the TV [when it aired]. Now you can watch it when you want, where you want, how you want to watch it, and almost all of those ways are superior to watching it on air. So [watching it] on air is related to the saps and the dips**s who can't figure out how to watch it in a superior way."
Sure blame technology for your shitty story-telling.
Kring said no final ending for Heroes has been conceived, noting, "We didn't have an island to get off of." On top of that, Kring noted that "My original idea was more of an anthological vibe to it, where you regenerate the characters."
Wow. Someone wanna clue him in?
Kring explained he had thought they could almost completely replace the characters each season, remarking, "I was primarily fascinated by the origin story. Once the original story is over, and the character has no more questions about what's happening or existential drama, then the questions become just about plot, and then it becomes harder for me personally to connect to."
So putting random mysterious shit down on paper he can do, but work with a plot?
Asked if the audience reaction ever influences the stories, Kring replied, "It's never directly, because we're so far ahead of them.
Nikki & Paolo?
It doesn't surprise me that this is the 'mind' behind this series.
Heroes has this problem where it has a lot of good ideas and a few bad ideas. Unfortunately the few bad ideas somehow last longer than the good ones and then the story begins to suffer. I'm just hoping to god they don't totally fuck themselves over by the end of the season.
At this point it's totally lost. Every good character has taken a complete 180, the main villain is a bland, overpowered old guy, and there's nothing left to be surprised by. All the twists have been revealed. There's nothing left for the season but to wrap it up.
Oh and the whole Nikki-Barbara-Icechick thing, but that's already been spoiled to me
Don't read this unless you want to be spoiled, seriously.
! Barbara is one of the villains and her power is astral projection. She's been possessing the other triplets, thus their changes in personality.
Did anyone enjoy Sylar and Elle?
I enjoy Elle for the sheer eyecandy that is Kristen Bell.
I hope Book 4 is better than Book 3, cus 3 is starting to bug me. The show is definitely entertaining still but I've got some problems:
Let's retcon Sylar's powers to make him into a more sympathetic character. Fun idea but it feels like "oh btw, we forgot to mention this for 2 years but Sylar's actually not that bad" Oh and he's related to…..GASP!
Maya was kept around but Monica, the best part about season 2 other than Adam IMO is ignored? She had an awesome power, and handful of scenes they did shoot for her character this season ended up being cut. And now Adam is gone. At least they finally made Maya leave.
The way they're tying things together to the established storyline is getting a little much and most of the time it just convolutes things. It's almost like they took the common criticism that this show does alot of setting up but not alot of following through, but now they're doing too much following through.
Surprisingly enough I'm enjoying Claire's story the most right now, her story has actually been pretty enjoyable despite basically being "Claire teams up with everyone and fights everyone else on her journey to become more useful"
Also with this newest episode, I did like the ending with what seems to be the hero side and the villain side.
I really hope book 4 is something really fresh and different.
Heroes has this problem where it has a lot of good ideas and a few bad ideas. Unfortunately the few bad ideas somehow last longer than the good ones and then the story begins to suffer. I'm just hoping to god they don't totally fuck themselves over by the end of the season.
Myoga really nailed it here. I haven't seen the show since the last 3rd of Season 1 but this is EXACTLY what I thought at that time. And now that devoted fans are saying these things, I can only imagine what level it's at now.
Now this isn't meant to be a Heroes VS 'Insert Show I Like' or HEROES IZ SHITY LULZ just an honest critique.
When I first heard about the concept I thought it was AWESOME!!!! As it was described to me, real humans were becoming 'super heroes' but slowly coming to the realization that that's what they were.
I thought this was an insanely cool concept that REEKED of Batman Begins where we, no question, watch a man become a hero from basically start to finish. It's a steady and methodical build-up that works because you can identify and bond with the character which makes for excellent:
drama.
I heard that the show was taking a serious and realistic approach to the concept of these individuals getting their powers.
Nope.
The first episode was essentially like barging in on the opening scene from the 90's X-Men cartoon. Jubillee (sp) busts shit and runs away from home. The first time we see Claire she's jumping off some large structure.
Shocking? Yes…okay....but, what exactly was subtle about that. I think a far more interesting way to deal with these things is in baby steps. Instead focus on her friend and make her seem like the tag-along friend supporting role. Then create an accident at a football game that results in her friend's death but miraculously she survives unscathed.
THAT'S surprising and subtle, you could build at least two episodes worth of her side material on that alone. THEN have her coming to terms with WHY she was spared, why this happened to her. Then you can get to like and learn WITH the characters instead of just about them.
Now maybe Heroes took some of these steps later down the line, I don't know, but this is how it hit me from the start.
A bunch of good ideas that were just loosely bound together by the person who conceived them.
But these ideas don't mean anything if you aren't bonding with the characters. I dunno, maybe that's just my opinion, but I've found in recent years the programs that have resparked my DEAD interest in American television programming have all been DEEPLY rooted in the characters and not just good ideas.
I missed last weeks episode but I'll watch it sometime later, now for this weeks episode, I did enjoy immature Hiro.
If they actually formed a superhero group, do you think it would make the series better? (Not sarcastic.)
Nothing can save this right now, unless they retcon season 2 and 3, characters have already been fucked horribly. Even Hiro and Sylar have been destroyed.
