But his head wasn't chopped off as far as we are aware and you didn't read the chatper on Rayleigh and Roger if you're saying its not epic. It effected the WHOLE WORLD. No, for the sake of everyone, Roger should remain dead. He could exist in "a way" but not actually be alive. That I would accept.
Roger & Dragon
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I can not see much epicness in getting your head chopped of … but doing so and returning from the the dead to enact your secret masterplan would be so (imo). At least I can not see in how far this would ruin OP - not more than many other strange plot twists (like Luffy beeing Dragons son for example).
I really wouldn't accept him being alive in any way except the memories of others, his death signifies the complete story, everyone searching for one piece, and all the mysteries. There are some secrets that I hope he took to his grave with him, it would suck if he was alive somehow giving out information. Also Roger seemed like the person that would sacrafice himself for the new age of piracy in a hope that one pirate can change the world for the better and stop the WG or something.
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Roger is dead…..it would be very cheap and cliche if he was still alive...
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Roger probably just passed down knowledge to Dragon (or maybe he obtained it through other means, like from one of the former roger pirates whose whereabouts not even Rayleigh knows). He could have been around Luffy's age when Roger was still alive, so if he was one of the roger pirates, he probably held a higher rank than Shanks and Buggy. It's all speculation, but he just strikes me as being older than Shanks and Buggy.
I doubt Roger's line of "I will not die, mate" was anything but symbolic, which is pretty much what Rayleigh told Luffy and company when he said Roger probably created the Pirate Age intentionally. Dragon was probably just among the persons that were influenced by Roger.
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A twist of the greatest pirate ever who was thought to be dead being a wanted revolutionary who's unkown purpose is of direct conflict against the World Government would be a crazy twists indeed, albeit not a good one imho.
Roger is already depicted as a legendary figure who is responsible for basically creating the world vision which we now know in One Piece. To have him being Dragon, one of the most mysterious characters out there not only would put the death of Roger in conflict but also the purpose in it's essence. They're both D. and they both seem to be knowledgable in matters concerning the world to which not everyone might know (Roger specifically), to a certain extent. Whether the connections are personal, spiritual or even physical, nobody knows but I look forward to finally seing some revelations as to both of these characters.
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No way Roger could have faked a PUBLIC execution. Besides, something tells me that even if he could, it would go against his "code of conduct"/personality to do so. Remember, this is a guy who supposedly did whatever he did, kingsize. Doesn't look like someone who would quietly fake his death, only to raise hell under a different name.
Besides, why would a wanted criminal fake his death? The obvious reason would be to lead a new life without being chased all over the world. Such a person would prefer going unnoticed, and would definitely not do anything that gets him to World's Most Wanted title.
Also, Luffy's family is crazy enough without him being related to Roger. But its quite probable that Rgoer and Garp had a Luffy-Coby or Luffy-Smoker rivalry, where they were either former friends or just had mutual respect for each other.
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I do believe that somehow Luffy is related to Roger, but Roger is as old as Whitebeard and Garp, but only Oda knows the answer.
And isn't Luffy more like Roger? So how can Ace be the pirate king and Luffy turn out like his dad? Everyone comments on Luffy being a lot like Roger.
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This thread is ridiculous. Roger and Dragon look alike? No they don't, not even at all.
We'll go top down.
Dragon's widow's peak is much higher than Roger's. And before you say he's going bald, let me tell you, no he isn't.
Second, the eyes are not similar at all. The angle of inclination of Roger's eyes is much higher than that of Dragon's. Also, Dragon's pupil/iris is smaller than Roger's.
The bridge of Dragon's nose is much wider than that of Roger's, and the angle at which it "turns up" is smaller than that of Roger's.
Dragon's lips are much fuller than Roger's, and his face is more narrow.So unless you want to start a plastic surgery in One Piece thread, forget this theory.
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NO Maybe Dragon and Roger don't look alike, but they can be related. Plus Luffy looks a hell of lot like Roger u cant argue with that. Luffy is destined to surpass Roger. I think the Devil Fruit's have side effects which gave Roger the ability to see the future or talk to animals or someshit like that. But i gurantee that Luffy is connected to Roger
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How does Luffy look anything like Roger?
They both have black hair.
And before you say, "OH NOEZ THEY R RELATED BC OF THE WIL OF D"
Let's remember our favorite giant, Saul.Luffy looks more like Shanks, if you ask me.
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Aah, so thats how it is.
Dragon's wife, Luffy's und Ace's mother is Rogers daughter. Who has taken Portgaz name in her mother because she aint like to be under pirates name, i see i see… interesting.
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How about this… if the WG creators has tenryubito as descendent, maybe the lost kingdom has dragon as the successor. And he's just trying to reclaim his throne without telling garp that they are royalty.
I really like this theory. But what do the different D's mean? I mean, there is also a jaguar D and a marshall D aside from the monkey D's (and probably sone others we haven't seen. or will it just be about the D and that all the D's were nobility in the Void Century?
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Yeah cause its so easy to survive a deadly disease while being executed in front of a whole town
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the will of D could be a group of warriors from the void century
monkey D.
marshall D.
jaguar D.
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i have two things i'd like to add….........
in chapter 506-14......roger says to raleigh "i won't die...partner"
now either he's being literally serious, or he's just implying his name/memories wont be forgotten (kind of unsure after the last translation fiasco)
also my speculation was that roger could have been garps brother.........only because i think he's somehow related to luffy, and the garp option made sense the most
(although this is just my fantasy/speculation lol
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Roger isn't dead, well according to Dr Hiruluk. People only die when they are forgeten. Aside from that Roger is bones and/or dust now.
It would be really lame if he was walking around somewhere.
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why does everyone think Roger has to be related to someone?
Why can't he just be a separate person?
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why does everyone think Roger has to be related to someone?
Why can't he just be a separate person?
Garp/Dragon's brother?
Seriously, why is there speculation on this?because of the massive similarities to luffy
Every single character that knew roger personally has quoted how luffy remind them of roger…...................
this isnt like its one throw away comment, but a group of respectable people that state it.............
and why garp...............because he is the only D i dont know much about, there's also nothing that shatters my theory so far so why dont you try thinking outside the box and try to pre-guess the plot, instead of winge about people speculating!
plus the whole mysteries of the D's seem to be connected........even robin wanted to know and asked raleigh as a priority question
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and because he is similar, they have to be related?
what about the massive similarities between sanji and zeff?
or chopper and dr. hilruk?
or the chick zoro trained with and smoker's subordinate?
and the list goes on.
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and if roger and garp were indeed brothers, i think someone would have pointed it out by now
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the one who's been executed in logue town was Roger's clone. that was his DF power to have a doppelganger.
the real Roger is in raftel having tea and guarding One Piece the whole information about the Void Century.cough cough maybe i should sleep now O_o
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The fact that hundreds of people watched Roger get executed in Logue Town square kinda vetoes this theory for me. =\
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Roger is dead. Sheesh what does Oda have to do to convince people? We started with the public execution. Then we had the incurable disease which led to him giving himself up for public execution to leave dying words that would start the great pirate age. Personally I think the whole substance of the story would fall apart if Roger were alive.
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and because he is similar, they have to be related?
what about the massive similarities between sanji and zeff?you mean they cook and use their legs…...fool
or chopper and dr. hilruk?yet again thats just another profession your stating and not there personalities
or the chick zoro trained with and smoker's subordinate? wtf…they use swords, how is tashigi remotely like zoro…..do you even read the manga?
and the list goes on. no it doesnt
the similarities point more towards the fact that luffy will be pirate king as opposed to him being related to roger.1. they both smiled before they were going to be executed
2. raliegh and crocus stated the massive similarities
3. they seem to be following the same path as eachotherif you dont think luffy and roger have big similarities then your lost
comparing fighting styles, professions and such has nothing to do with what im talking about, its personility, life choices, nakama he has, and their overall outlook in life
and garp being brother to roger would make sense as he was never caught, garp wouldnt hand in his brother, just like what garp did when he met luffy at waters 7….......he only came after luffy when ao kiji was watching
and to be honest i think roger is dead, i just found it interesting he said he wouldn't die to raliegh.........and as for the whole
"i watched him die....."
what about all the other people that should be dead, oda is V-unpredictable so what's with the stubborn as a mule attitude towards another theory eeeeeee aaaaawwwwww eeeee aaawwwww -
ok… i've read a couple interesting things here, like the D's being related to the void century and wouldnt mind to have more info about that (but that should be revealed further in the story i hope).
More related to the thread, unless someone pulled a "facial surgery kick" (like sanji's) on roger i dont see that happening. Also i dont see the need to have roger and garp/dragon/luffy being relatives and i think it would kinda ruin the whole plot. The fact that roger and luffy have some simiarities is just a coincidence. there are alot of carefree happy go lucky people in the world, the only similarity is the D (which i said to think to be related to the void century) about nakama i think roger had a clear hierarchy in his ship, and had aprentices and stuff, luffy's crew is divided more like skill than level in the hierarchy.
To the roger being alive thing, realy doubt, roger is alive in the "new era" since he is the founder of it, and lives tru his legend and reference status.
then again, oda's plot twists are legendary so i think anything could happen...
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the chick zoro trained with, "fool", not zoro himself, learn to read.
sanji and zeff have more similarities. their personalities are extremely similar, as in they are both very proud.
as for chopper and hilruk, they are both easily amazed and fun-loving.raleigh and crocus stated the massive similarities? you're an idiot. they said he reminded them of him. they didn't sit down and write out a list of similarities.
they seem to be following the same path? yea as well as hundreds of other pirates aiming to be the pirate king.
i didn't say they don't have similarities, i said this is not grounds for them being related, as other characters have similarities.
what are you talking about garp wouldn't hand in his brother? how would he even be able to hand in the strongest pirate in the world? a marine admiral had trouble with rayleigh, roger's first mate, whereas garp is a vice-admiral and thus not as strong as an admiral. and how would that even prove that they are brothers? that idea is full of fail, are you even listening to what you're saying?
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and if roger and garp were indeed brothers, i think someone would have pointed it out by now
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yeah just like how everyone knows ace, garp, dragon and luffy are related
ow wait a second….........only bloody handfull know, even the whole crew didn't know till garp stated it
so yet again your wrong
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as for the list of similarities going on,
why don't we point out whitebeard and luffy, who are both deathly protective of their nakama, aim to be the pirate king, and treat their crew as family?
or bellamy and donflamingo, who are both adamant about the "new age" and hate the idea of people having dreams?
what about nami and nojiko, who while being raised together were technically not sisters?
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the only thing crocus said about the "massive similarities"
is "maybe, these are the pirates we have been waiting for… they gave me a very strange atmosphere, eh, roger?"
(chapter 105, page 19)
he said NOTHING about similarities between luffy and roger, you failrayleigh only said that he was waiting to meet luffy, and that shanks had said that him and luffy said the same words.
do YOU even read the manga?
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the chick zoro trained with, "fool", not zoro himself, learn to read.
sanji and zeff have more similarities. their personalities are extremely similar, as in they are both very proud.
as for chopper and hilruk, they are both easily amazed and fun-loving.raleigh and crocus stated the massive similarities? you're an idiot. they said he reminded them of him. they didn't sit down and write out a list of similarities.
they seem to be following the same path? yea as well as hundreds of other pirates aiming to be the pirate king.
i didn't say they don't have similarities, i said this is not grounds for them being related, as other characters have similarities.
what are you talking about garp wouldn't hand in his brother? how would he even be able to hand in the strongest pirate in the world? a marine admiral had trouble with rayleigh, roger's first mate, whereas garp is a vice-admiral and thus not as strong as an admiral. and how would that even prove that they are brothers? that idea is full of fail, are you even listening to what you're saying?
zoro, sanji and chopper were raised with the above mentioned and should have some similarities as a father and son would….....
but luffy never met roger....and has more in common with him then anyone else in the whole manga, failing to think outside the box
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…he smiled on his deathbed.
wow, they are nearly identical.what does zoro being raised with that chick have to do with her being similar to tashigi?
chopper was not "raised" with dr. hilruk, he spent a couple years, if that, with him. -
oh, and you still have failed to legitimately answer the following points i've made:
_the chick zoro trained with, "fool", not zoro himself, learn to read.
raleigh and crocus stated the massive similarities? you're an idiot. they said he reminded them of him. they didn't sit down and write out a list of similarities.they seem to be following the same path? yea as well as hundreds of other pirates aiming to be the pirate king.
i didn't say they don't have similarities, i said this is not grounds for them being related, as other characters have similarities.
what are you talking about garp wouldn't hand in his brother? how would he even be able to hand in the strongest pirate in the world? a marine admiral had trouble with rayleigh, roger's first mate, whereas garp is a vice-admiral and thus not as strong as an admiral. and how would that even prove that they are brothers? that idea is full of fail, are you even listening to what you're saying?
as for the list of similarities going on,
why don't we point out whitebeard and luffy, who are both deathly protective of their nakama, aim to be the pirate king, and treat their crew as family?
or bellamy and donflamingo, who are both adamant about the "new age" and hate the idea of people having dreams?
what about nami and nojiko, who while being raised together were technically not sisters?
you think the list doesn't go on? it is fairly easy to find similarities between charactersthe only thing crocus said about the "massive similarities"
is "maybe, these are the pirates we have been waiting for… they gave me a very strange atmosphere, eh, roger?"
(chapter 105, page 19)
he said NOTHING about similarities between luffy and roger, you failrayleigh only said that he was waiting to meet luffy, and that shanks had said that him and luffy said the same words.
do YOU even read the manga?
...he smiled on his deathbed.
wow, they are nearly identical.what does zoro being raised with that chick have to do with her being similar to tashigi?
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I don't think Dragon and Roger are related, but I'd say there must be some connection between them.
What if Dragon was a former high ranking marine (like Garp wanted) but was one of Roger's jail keepers or talked to him long enough before the execution that he ended up rejecting the world government from what he learned from Roger. Maybe he found something following what Roger told him and that's why the world government wants him so badly, because he has insider information that should have never gone out.
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Are you suggesting Gol D. Roger had a daughter that did the thing with Dragon and then stuff happened? Are you further suggesting that Gol D. Roger did the thing with an Amazon woman and then stuff happened? Are you going even further by suggesting that Boa Hancock is in reality Gol D. Hancock and Luffy's mother? Because if so…you rule!
Edit: It all makes so much sense now!!
I know this was said so long ago… But...
Sigh...
But no, Dragon would not be Roger, that would kinda suck.
If Roger was Related to Dragon, like far off third cousin twice removed, that would be better.
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Is Dragon Garp's son? Or is Dragon Garp's son-in-law?
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Ok i kinda like that idea of Roger's devil fruit able to make clones and that he's waiting at Raftel guarding that Area and the person who arrives their fights him for One Piece.
or Garp = Dragon Roger = Luffy's mum
Dragon, Luffy's mum = Ace, Luffy
We was going to find out about "The Will of D' But frekin robin said that she'll found out herself. -
yes, Roger abandoned his entire crew who he trusted his life with, faked an uncurable illness, and faked an execution, just so he could wait at raftel doing absolutely nothing until someone arrives to fight him for one piece.
no, we were going to find out about the void century, not the Will of D.
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ahahahah tht made ma laugh, well i don't know how but Luffy is related to Gold D. Roger but only time will tell, Oda being the legend he is, i'm sure he will make an interesting way of them being connected, but all we can do is wait, so lets not make crazy theories and wait.
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@Monkey:
…so lets not make crazy theories and wait.
That's blasphemy in these here parts! Don't you know what forum you're on?!
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Ok i take that back, but see if this is a good theory.
Rogers daughter and Dragon fell in love, but Garp was against them being together. So Garp had a grudge against Roger and started following him and cornered him a few times, but lost on all occasions. Then Roger fell sick of illness and then gave him self up to Garp because he would die either way, then Luffy's mother (Roger's daughter) changed her name to Portagas, because she was scared that Garp might come after her. So to this day Garp doesnt know this. I know u pplz gonna bag me a lot for it, but u can correct me if you like. -
@Monkey:
Ok i take that back, but see if this is a good theory.
Rogers daughter and Dragon fell in love, but Garp was against them being together. So Garp had a grudge against Roger and started following him and cornered him a few times, but lost on all occasions. Then Roger fell sick of illness and then gave him self up to Garp because he would die either way, then Luffy's mother (Roger's daughter) changed her name to Portagas, because she was scared that Garp might come after her. So to this day Garp doesnt know this. I know u pplz gonna bag me a lot for it, but u can correct me if you like.nah great bit of speculation…......if people didn't think outside the box then the story becomes boring, lots of theory and speculation plz
i saw the bloodline like this
--------------------------------------- Luffy
------------------------------Dragon <
---------------------Garp <------------Acegreat grandad D <--------------------------
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-------------------- Roger <-----?----<
----------------------------------------?if it isnt OBVIOUS this is just how i want it to pan out, i have NO proof and DONT state any of this as fact!
obviously we all have our own idea's how we want the stories blanks to be filled…............and this is mine
(may the insults commence..........again........this is boring)
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YEA! Let's all make stupid theories based on nothing! Then we can be unable to back them up!
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Another STUPID theory…..........all the apmembers become more tolerant of each other lol
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what the hell is this thread
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what the hell is this thread
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Um wouldn't Roger be like really old now if he was alive? I mean look at how young dragon looks compared to Garp there is no way Gol. D Roger wouldn't be sportin gray hair and an old wrinkled face.
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Um wouldn't Roger be like really old now if he was alive? I mean look at how young dragon looks compared to Garp there is no way Gol. D Roger wouldn't be sportin gray hair and an old wrinkled face.
LOL, look at you determining a character's age range by looks.
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i think we should have a poll to see if anyone thinks any of the other D's are related…..
atm its not too important to drone on about but i would really like to see other peoples thoughts on blood relations......
but dont think im gonna go through the torture of starting another thread...lol
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@Zik:
LOL, look at you determining a character's age range by looks.
Yeah I know I mean if Gol.D Roger would have been sixty if he was still alive then he could still look young but if he would be pushin something like eighty or close to it he'd have to be sportin some gray hair plus if he had somehow not been executed and was able to live with the disease he had he'd probably be in the same state Whitebeards in.
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i dont think the Ds are blood related but an initial given to a group of pirates because of their awsomeness.