Chapter 515 "Adventures on the Isle of Women" Discussion
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@Zik:
Saying that the shichibukai are not capable pirates because they work WITH the WG is stupid. The deal was a mutual agreement that benefited both sides. If the shichibukai are not capable pirates then the WG is not a capable government.
This is filled with contradictions. The shichi don't care about the world balance unless it effects them? If one or two of them do not participate in the war exactly how does it effect them?If the WG come out of this winning without most of the shichi's help how does it effect them? Even if they lost it wouldn't. They'd either become pirates again or be begged to help and then they'd threaten to treat them as any other pirates whichi wouldn't be that much of a threat anyway.
Explain why Kuma who is suppose to be the most loyal of them doesn't give a fuck about the meeting either? Will he be stripped of his title? Clearly Kuma is playing them and he'll most likely get no backlash for not showing up.
You just proved my point for me. Moria does not have to do anything he does not want to do. Furthermore, you don't know about his future plans if he is willing to continue and be a shichibukai or not. That's my point it is about politics and the shichibukai do not care.
Who says they will be stripped of their title. you're assuming this will happen. Regardless of the outcome of this war the WG need the shichibukai. If they strip them of their titles, and activate their bounties again all they are doing is creating more enemies. That is not smart. Ask yourself which is more of the problem 1 or 2 shihcibukai you know are disobedient bastards that won't show up but still work with you or 1 or 2 new threats that could easily defect to the other side if you strip them of their title?The WG strip some shihci's of their title, what then? Try and capture them? While this war is about to happen? How is that smart? The threat of being stripped of their title is nothing in comparison to having an inevitable battle with a yonkou AND having to face a powerful pirate eventually.
basically I'm saying any shihcibukai who doesn't show up is calling the WG's bluff. If they decide to make any of them a normal pirate again they'd be hurting themselves more than helping. Doing that is ill-advised.
Wow man you seem to think they were all made separate deals. hwo can you say Moria is allowed to do a but not b and then say Mihawk can't do a but do b? Their deals were all the same. Ofcourse they are allowed to engage in pirate activity, the only stipulations are w/e money they make they are suppose to give 10% to the WG. They continue on being pirates except they don't fight with marines and specifically go after other pirates. When was it said they are not allowed to attacked civilians????You making up a lot of stuff. I mean seriously BB is free to manipulate world events??? WTF are you talking about??? He just became a shichi, everything he did was before he became one.
You seemed to miss what I was saying completely. I'm not saying anything about the SHs helping the WG or it being similar to what Moria did.Moria was in the FT attacking pirates, if he wasn't a shichi he'd still be in the FT attacking pirates. If he wasn't a shichi and marines went after him he'd get them too. What I'm saying is from the WG's persepective a pirate exclussively attacking pirates is not top priority. hell that's even if he they knew he was in the FT anyway.
Fine then. Maybe this comment wont be deleted. I agree with the other guy 100% and you 0%
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@Yonkou#3:
Fine then. Maybe this comment wont be deleted. I agree with the other guy 100% and you 0%
I agree more to Zik than to the others in this topic. I don’t get why you can agree 0% with Zik because he have the better points.
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I agree with myself.
The possibility that Boa is a schichibukai still stands.&
The theory of WB battle being over is highly unlikely.
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new strong character.
Why would he do better than say, Ace? Sure, Kizaru is older, but their abilities seem similar in the sense that their element is destructive.
Yes you may have a point, but look at it this way.
Blackbeard just acquired this new power and given that we can say that he is not able to master and control it properly so as to develop it more just yet, the same as what Aokiji was referencing to Luffy.
Ace, no doubt, being a member of WB crew has quite a grasp on his power, maybe not be a master OF it but surely more experienced than BB. Just because Ace lost doesn't necessarily mean BB is better than everyone else or is, in any way, stronger than Kizaru, an Admiral who no DOUBT has a very strong grasp and, dare I say, Mastery of his power….which is easily backed up with the fact that Ray had to hold him off from wiping Zoro off the face of the Earth.
At this point, we do not have enough information on BB to compare him respectively to an Admiral IMO of course.
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@Fiasco.:
I agree with myself.
The possibility that Boa is a schichibukai still stands.&
The theory of WB battle being over is highly unlikely.
AGreed his pirate fleet is way to big for that…. Their will be heavy causalities during this war.
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Goddamnit. Why do you people continually present such interesting theories.
The whole snake-worship thing (which is hilarious, kudos Oda) completely blinded me to the fact that it might possibly refer to a Shichibukai. If Oda was going to make a Shichibukai a woman, you think he might make it the Pirate EMPRESS. sigh I used to avoid reading a certain weekly thread because of the excellent theories presented in it but now do I have to avoid this chapter thread as well?
You guys are too much. ^_^ Awesome.
Boring chapter, nice reveal, I'm looking forward to pointing out the one girl whose glasses suddenly appear and disappear on my Miss page.
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@Zik:
Saying that the shichibukai are not capable pirates because they work WITH the WG is stupid. The deal was a mutual agreement that benefited both sides. If the shichibukai are not capable pirates then the WG is not a capable government.
Where did this come from?
This is filled with contradictions. The shichi don't care about the world balance unless it effects them? If one or two of them do not participate in the war exactly how does it effect them?
Exactly what contradictions would that be? No they don't give a shit if countries fall, people they don't know get hurt, or if marines die. Only things that matter to them is their own money, hobbies, plans, and motives. They don't participate, WG gets angry, sends Admirals or V.Admirals after them once Yonkou are gone. With the Yonkou gone the marines would be free to spread their resources around the world so they wouldn't need the Shickibukai anymore for such a minor duty as keeping lesser pirates in line.
If the WG come out of this winning without most of the shichi's help how does it effect them? Even if they lost it wouldn't. They'd either become pirates again or be begged to help and then they'd threaten to treat them as any other pirates whichi wouldn't be that much of a threat anyway.
What? Who is them in the first sentence? If its the WG, Kizaru said the sins of a pirate would never be forgiven. They only tolerate the shickibukai actions because they're useful. If they don't prove useful when they really need them why would the WG leave them be once the war is over? If you meant Shickibukai, then again they'd simply go after them once the Yonkou are through.
Explain why Kuma who is suppose to be the most loyal of them doesn't give a fuck about the meeting either? Will he be stripped of his title? Clearly Kuma is playing them and he'll most likely get no backlash for not showing up.
Because it goes back to my original point to Hinscher. Even if they help the Government will likely screw them over anyways and go after them once the Yonkou are gone. Some Shickibukai would come to this realization that they wouldn't be needed anymore and take sides before the conflict begins. Clearly Kuma's actions were him taking the anti-government side before the conflict begins for whatever reason.
Perhaps he's secretly in league with Dragon, perhaps he wants to make up for his Tyrant days by helping a good band of pirates reveal the WG horrible secrets. Kuma's cryptic words about never seeing the SH again, could even be him telling us he's sacrificing himself and won't be around much longer. You're dead wrong if you believe he'll receive no backlash for getting in an Admiral&WG bodyguards way of arresting such dangerous bounty-heads.
You just proved my point for me. Moria does not have to do anything he does not want to do. Furthermore, you don't know about his future plans if he is willing to continue and be a shichibukai or not. That's my point it is about politics and the shichibukai do not care.
How could I have possibly proved your point with what you quoted? Its doubtful he no longer wants to be Pirate King. I'm 100% certain he doesn't want to piss off the WG, thus becoming a fugitive and forced to hide out the remainder of his days. Theres more reasons for Moria to join the fight than not, some of which I already listed.
Who says they will be stripped of their title. you're assuming this will happen. Regardless of the outcome of this war the WG need the shichibukai. If they strip them of their titles, and activate their bounties again all they are doing is creating more enemies. That is not smart. Ask yourself which is more of the problem 1 or 2 shihcibukai you know are disobedient bastards that won't show up but still work with you or 1 or 2 new threats that could easily defect to the other side if you strip them of their title?
No they do not need the Shickibukai if the Yonkou are gone. Clearly if the 4 strongest pirate crews get destroyed thats going to scare a bunch of people out of the idea of becoming PK or continuing their journeys. Only reason SN came so far is because the WG resources are divided between keeping the Yonkou in check and policing the world. With the Yonkou gone thats thousands of marines of all ranks freed up to do the job the Shickibukai used to do.
The WG strip some shihci's of their title, what then? Try and capture them? While this war is about to happen? How is that smart? The threat of being stripped of their title is nothing in comparison to having an inevitable battle with a yonkou AND having to face a powerful pirate eventually.
Who said they'd go after them at the same time they go after the Yonkou?
basically I'm saying any shihcibukai who doesn't show up is calling the WG's bluff. If they decide to make any of them a normal pirate again they'd be hurting themselves more than helping. Doing that is ill-advised.
You act like the WG will tell them they lost their rank first? No, they'll just take them down at the best possible opportunity, which will likely not be until after the Yonkou would be dispatched.
Wow man you seem to think they were all made separate deals. how can you say Moria is allowed to do a but not b and then say Mihawk can't do a but do b? Their deals were all the same. Of course they are all they make they are suppose to give 10% to the WG. They continue on being pirates except they don't fight with marines and specifically go after other pirates. When was it said they are not allowed to attacked civilians???? owed to engage in pirate activity, the only stipulations are w/e money
Separate deals. Its quite obvious you're comprehension of what I'm saying and events of the story are a little limited. Thats what the Shickibukai are free to do unhindered. My post didn't say or implied the WG knowlingly let them do that all that stuff, its just the side-benefits of their position. Are you seriously telling me not hurting innocent civilians and not doing pirate stuff isn't apart of the deal?
You making up a lot of stuff. I mean seriously BB is free to manipulate world events??? WTF are you talking about??? He just became a shichi, everything he did was before he became one.
Are you even paying attention to this series? He's trying to become PK, only instead of adventuring around randomly starting shit like the SH he's systematically taking out key individuals to gain status in the world. First he gets his fruit, then he takes care of Ace, with his capture he put the WG in a position where they provok a fight with WB, since he's a shickibukai he will be allowed to participate in the war allowing him take the title of Strongest Man in the world in front of some of the other strongest people.
The WG&WB fleets will likely be in badshape in the aftermath and his new title will likely gain him followers like it did WB(for different reasons of course). At some point he'll likely take screw the WG over as well(probably when some other big shots are taken out of the picture) and ditch his Shickibukai title as well, then proceed to OP. Being a Schickibukai allows him a front row seat on the world stage.
You seemed to miss what I was saying completely. I'm not saying anything about the SHs helping the WG or it being similar to what Moria did.
Moria was in the FT attacking pirates, if he wasn't a shichi he'd still be in the FT attacking pirates. If he wasn't a shichi and marines went after him he'd get them too. What I'm saying is from the WG's perspective a pirate exclussively attacking pirates is not top priority. hell that's even if he they knew he was in the FT anyway.
No he'd most likely be attacking anybody who came through. Pirate, Marine, Civilian, anybody with a decent shadow. Are you honestly trying to argue a 320+million bounty-head abducting people&corpses for 10 years to amass an army so he eventually go sailing and become PK, wouldn't be on their priority list? Sounds top 10 material to me right behind dealing with Dragon, Rayleigh, and the Yonkou.
My point about the SH was that everything up to Enies lobby was just pirates messing with pirates, but in the process saving millions of people, yet they still were treated as horrible criminals by the WG and were seen as a potential threat. Moria doing what he was doing would be a far more immediate one and seemingly dangerous one.
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Where did this come from?
It was not directed at you, try reading other posts in the thread but I guess that was pages ago, didn't remember who said it just that it was said.
What? Who is them in the first sentence?
Sorry I will rephrase.
If the WG come out of this winning without most of the shichi's help how does it effect the shichi? in anyway negative or positive?Even if they help the Government will likely screw them over anyways and go after them once the Yonkou are gone.
When will that time come? Seems a little ambiguous to say the shichi would be targeted when the yonkou are taken care of. They haven't gotten one yet but if that is their goal the smart shichi would expect that and thus prove my point of them not giving a fuck about much of the WG's affairs now.
Clearly Kuma's actions were him taking the anti-government side before the conflict begins for whatever reason.
Yea but I'm saying even when Kizaru tells the higher ups this, they won't act on it or better yet won't be able to other than saying to keep a closer eye on him and then perhaps questioning him where Kuma would lie
I'm 100% certain he doesn't want to piss off the WG, thus becoming a fugitive and forced to hide out the remainder of his days. Theres more reasons for Moria to join the fight than not, some of which I already listed.
I'm sorry but again I don't think Moria gives a fuck if he pisses the WG off or not. All the reasons you gave as to why he would follow orders have to do with you assuming he is afraid of the empty threat of the WG stripping him of his title or that for some reason he would be looking for recognition from them after losing to Luffy. After his defeat the WG didn't seem all concerned with the fact that he lost but if he would continue his position this is shown with the talk with Kuma. As a smart person even Moria would predict that the WG would be worrying about his status and if he'd continue on as a shichi because the WG need him. That gives Moria leverage. I still see no legit reason where Moria would gain anything in this war or why he would want to just because the WG asked.
Lets say Moria has a reason for not wanting to go, and just dismisses the mandatory meeting. The WG would ask about him and then deal with the matter later by tryin to contact him, if they don't reach him there is nothing to do until they get their first problem out the way, WB. Sending anyone after Moria cuz he didn't show up would be ill-advised unless this person would do it with quickness.
No they do not need the Shickibukai if the Yonkou are gone. Clearly if the 4 strongest pirate crews get destroyed thats going to scare a bunch of people out of the idea of becoming PK or continuing their journeys. Only reason SN came so far is because the WG resources are divided between keeping the Yonkou in check and policing the world. With the Yonkou gone thats thousands of marines of all ranks freed up to do the job the Shickibukai used to do.
What are YOU talking about???????? This is not a war against all 4 yonkou! It is against one. Everything else you say after that does not apply. If the marines take down WB and his crew with or without the shichi's help they would not turn on the shichi after that.
As of now the war is WB against the marines why you think that all 3 other yonkou would join with WB is a mystery.
Who said they'd go after them at the same time they go after the Yonkou?
Again you are saying yonkou as if it's been said the marines are baiting a war with all 4 of them which they are not. So far there is no connection to Kaidou or the the unknown 4th when it comes to rescuing Ace. It is not even clear that Shanks will join.
As for going after them the same time. If they don't it benefits the shichi that would ignore the order. If the WG strip them of their title for not showing up they risk the possibility of those shichi joining or just helping WB which would not be good for the WG.
You act like the WG will tell them they lost their rank first? No, they'll just take them down at the best possible opportunity, which will likely not be until after the Yonkou would be dispatched.
So you think any of the shichi would be dumb enough to see a fleet of marines come at them and not think twice? If they went in to any of the yonkou's territory thyey'd catch wind of a threat before the fight starts and then decide to flee or fight.
Separate deals. Its quite obvious you're comprehension of what I'm saying and events of the story are a little limited. Thats what the Shickibukai are free to do unhindered. My post didn't say or implied the WG knowlingly let them do that all that stuff, its just the side-benefits of their position. Are you seriously telling me not hurting innocent civilians and not doing pirate stuff isn't apart of the deal?
There must be a misunderstanding. I'll tell you what I think the deal is again, the shichi are used as 7 powerful pirates to scare pirates and would be pirates. As usual if they were not shichi they fight any pirates they want. Criminal activities that do not oppose the WG are turned a blind eye to. Any money they steal from other pirates are there's except for 10%. When they make plans or commit a series of actions that threaten the marines or go against the WG then they are pursued as pirates again for breaking the deal.
All that stuff you were saying, I think they were meant to be examples were just plain sloppy. Why you brought up BB I dunno it didn't make any sense since all of his actions were prior to him becoming a shichi. Things you said like one of the shichi could do _____ would directly contradict things you said another couldn't do. It's one deal for all of them, all criminal activities that don't effect the WG negatively are not acknowledged.
Are you even paying attention to this series? He's trying to become PK, only instead of adventuring around randomly starting shit like the SH he's systematically taking out key individuals to gain status in the world. First he gets his fruit, then he takes care of Ace, with his capture he put the WG in a position where they provok a fight with WB, since he's a shickibukai he will be allowed to participate in the war allowing him take the title of Strongest Man in the world in front of some of the other strongest people.
You said the WG allowed BB to manipulate world events. That is wrong. He was not a shichi then. So far nothing since turning in Ace we haven't even seen him. The only thing that could be seen as a world event is what turning in Ace triggered. You saying the WG allowed BB to manipulate world events doesn't make sense. Everything you just said BB did was before he became a shichi, the WG was unaware that it was his doing. You talk as everything you just said was while he was a shichi.
The WG&WB fleets will likely be in badshape in the aftermath and his new title will likely gain him followers like it did WB(for different reasons of course). At some point he'll likely take screw the WG over as well(probably when some other big shots are taken out of the picture) and ditch his Shickibukai title as well, then proceed to OP. Being a Schickibukai allows him a front row seat on the world stage.
IF he does this and IF the WG allow him to then you can say that he is manipulating world events and the WG allows it.
I hope you understand what I am saying everything BB has done so far was before he was a shichi and the WG never heard of him before Lafitte showed up at the meeting. so you can't say the WG allowed it.
No he'd most likely be attacking anybody who came through. Pirate, Marine, Civilian, anybody with a decent shadow. Are you honestly trying to argue a 320+million bounty-head abducting people&corpses for 10 years to amass an army so he eventually go sailing and become PK, wouldn't be on their priority list?
Now you're combining speculation with fact. We don't know when Moria started making this army, we don't know when he lost his crew, we don't know when his bounty reached 320 mil. Are you saying this from the view where Moria was never a shichi or if he defected?
Besides that, other than the mystery of ships disappearing in the FT prior to Moria being there I don't know how the marines would come to the conclusion that Moria is creating a zombie army anyway.
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Okay.. there must be a reason that Kuma send Luffy here maybe.. just a maybe that luffy will learn some new technique that are not particularly powerful but very important to know/learn.. like the force or haki or whatever that's call…
what if Boa came back injured and Luffy will somehow help her to recover or whatever that maybe.. she can teach him some new techniques that can only be mastered with the help of Margaret... i don't know.. maybe some WB or Shiki enemy would follow Boa back to the island.. and luffy gotta get his ass outta there.. with Margaret.. hence serving different purposes. Luffy get the new nakama who can help him out of the island and will probably help to refine/explain his new techniques.. off the island.. Boa turn out to be one of the Shikibukai who got owned by WB or WG.. .Margaret will have the reason to leave (surely if she leave.. it's gonna have to be some kind of banishment.. like most the chinese old-time stories).. then Luffy start telling her about the BIG Golden Ball he found on the Sky Island.... so Margaret's new dream is to find the biggest golden ball (one piece?) as well as get revenge for Boa... somehow ... how does that sound? too farfetch? hehe
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…new techniques that can only be mastered with the help of Margaret.
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The chapter was incredibly well drawn. The town looked amazing.
The story, to be honest, if there is no connection to the main story, and this turns out to some sort of filler, one piece lost a lot of appeal to me.
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The town reminded me of the human village of the future in "Time Machine" by H.G Wells. Nice.
As for Boa Hancock, I would suppose that its more likely that she is a Shichi who happens to be the Empress of Amazon Lilly, rather than a Yonkou. That would explain both the "Pirate Empress" title and the animal theme.
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@Zik:
Sorry I will rephrase.
If the WG come out of this winning without most of the shichi's help how does it effect the shichi? in anyway negative or positive?Negative. First, they would NOT fullfil their part of the deal (which CERTAINLY includes helping the WG when they require it, otherwise they wouldnt be calling them).
Second, defeating the Legendary Whitebeard, who was in pair with Gol D. Roger, completely unbalances the equation 4 Yonkou = 7 Shichi + 3 Admirals.
Taking out the most "powerful" Yonkou (you may say it's baseless speculation, but I do consider this a fact, even if they "almost" equally strong), the most large (many divisions, hardly other Yonkou has WB's fleet)and the most respected one (without a doubt), the WG will have now the Upper hand. Taking out the other 3 Yonkou will now be way easier than before.
After they finish the Yonkou threat, the fact of the Shichibukai not helping them when they needed will CERTAINLY come up, and the Shichibukai, as powerful as they are, we know they arent as strong as the Marine Admirals.
Therefore, the Admirals or Vice-Admirals would simply pursue and catch and throw them in prison.
@Zik:
Now you're combining speculation with fact. We don't know when Moria started making this army, we don't know when he lost his crew, we don't know when his bounty reached 320 mil. Are you saying this from the view where Moria was never a shichi or if he defected?
Besides that, other than the mystery of ships disappearing in the FT prior to Moria being there I don't know how the marines would come to the conclusion that Moria is creating a zombie army anyway.
Seems like you do not read the series well. First, it was STATED that Moria lost to Kaidou and moved to the Florian Triangle 10 years ago.
Moria became a Shichi AFTER his crew was defeated by kaidou (and he fought equally with him), and did that in order to gain time to build his power once again.
If Moria continued in the Florian Triangle for 10 years hunting ships, you think the Marines and the WG wouldnt have noticed? They're not as incompetent as you think. They know all the routes, all the islands of the Grand Line. They even know all the movements of the SH crew, but did not send a Marine to deal with him since they still were small and relatively not dangerous. It changed after Enies Lobby.
Now, 10 years is a long, LONG time. Surely the WG would care and send a powerful force to defeat and arrest Moria. Why didnt they do it? Because Moria knew they'd do it, therefore offered them a his services to defeat another pirate Crews, in exchange that they wouldnt chase him and let him be, at the Florian Triangle.
Either way, I agree with Ryuk 100%. Keep on the good arguments! ^^
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Second, defeating the Legendary Whitebeard, who was in pair with Gol D. Roger, completely unbalances the equation 4 Yonkou = 7 Shichi + 3 Admirals.
No that's not the equation. The equation is 4 yonkou = 7 shichi + Marine force(Admirals included because yes they are their stongest but they are not the only ones). Either way I never said anything about this. I later on mention why the Wg are choosing to bait WB in this war(they must have a trump card what you state is a balance, if a war started from that stand point both sides would lose not to mention only one yonkou is being fought here! Not all 4 so I see it as the WG already having a slight upper hand).
Negative. First, they would NOT fullfil their part of the deal (which CERTAINLY includes helping the WG when they require it, otherwise they wouldnt be calling them).
And I'm saying that some of them just might not care whether they are planning something else or don't want to be bothered with it. They recognize it is a requirement and would be outright not fulfilling it. Other than the empty threat of stripping them of their title they are not directly effected in a negative way.
Taking out the most "powerful" Yonkou (you may say it's baseless speculation, but I do consider this a fact, even if they "almost" equally strong), the most large (many divisions, hardly other Yonkou has WB's fleet)and the most respected one (without a doubt), the WG will have now the Upper hand. Taking out the other 3 Yonkou will now be way easier than before.
You say this as if the WG haven't thought of this before. There must be a reason they haven't acted on it. Currently WB's power is no different than it was before, save Ace. Clearly the WG know that with the aliance with the shichibukai and their marine force the most they can reach is a BALANCE. So I would assume they have some trump card up their sleeve that will give them the edge and it doesn't involve the shihc(well if the trump card is the pacifistas it kinda does but it is still separate from them as a whole).
Seems like you do not read the series well. First, it was STATED that Moria lost to Kaidou and moved to the Florian Triangle 10 years ago.
Okay to be 100% honest I didn't care much for the arc, so I didn't pay attention to every detail. So fine I was wrong in asking those questions Moria has been in Ft for 10 years forming his zombie army, that doesn't change some of your assumptions.
Moria became a Shichi AFTER his crew was defeated by kaidou
This is still an assumption to me unless you see no other possible scenario. I never argued this this though and it doesn't have much to do with what I was saying before.
If Moria continued in the Florian Triangle for 10 years hunting ships, you think the Marines and the WG wouldnt have noticed? They're not as incompetent as you think. They know all the routes, all the islands of the Grand Line. They even know all the movements of the SH crew, but did not send a Marine to deal with him since they still were small and relatively not dangerous. It changed after Enies Lobby.
Ships have been disappearing in the FT before Moria entered the FT. Whether the WG know why is a mystery but IF Moria was never a shichi I doubt the WG would immediately know he was creating a zombie army. At most they would know pirate ships have been vanishing and they would try o connect that with Moria.
Because Moria knew they'd do it, therefore offered them a his services to defeat another pirate Crews, in exchange that they wouldnt chase him and let him be, at the Florian Triangle.
Speculation. I believe the WG made the offer not the other way around. I don't believe any of the 7 pirates came to the Wg and asked to be pirates for them. If that was the case that would mean one of them created the idea, which isn't out of the realm of possibility because most of them are smart but I doubt they proposed this deal. I see it as the WG recognized that the unbalance force of the yonkou compared to them was a threat and decided to form the shichibukai so that they would deter the chance of any other pirates reaching the power of a yonkou. Along with the othe stuf I mentioned in my last post.
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In a few chapters these people will be back to going ''I would never have thought of that! Oda's a god of manga! Praise Oda-sama!'', I guarantee.
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@dwo:
…if there is no connection to the main story...
And the "main story" is…?
@Plot:A boy named Monkey D. Luffy, inspired by his childhood hero "Red Haired" Shanks, sets out on a journey to find the legendary One Piece, and to become the new Pirate King. To accomplish this, he must reach the end of the most deadly and dangerous ocean: The Grand Line.
How can following the protagonist on an adventure while traversing the Grand Line (plot development), meeting a famed pirate on an island full of women (OP-world development), and seeking out his crew once more (character development) not be part of the "main story"?
Edit: No offense; This is an "in general" for all the people who seem to be against the introduction of most new arcs. IE: Miracles at the beginning of Shaboady. He went from: Boring, boring, bad writing, bad development, bad writing, boring, zOMg LEET HaX0R 0meGa bAtLz CHPTEr AwSuMzz LesS FighTinG, L00ve!!!
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And the "main story" is…?
How can following the protagonist on an adventure while traversing the Grand Line (plot development), meeting a famed pirate on an island full of women (OP-world development), and seeking out his crew once more (character development) not be part of the "main story"?Edit: No offense; This is an "in general" for all the people who seem to be against the introduction of most new arcs. IE: Miracles at the beginning of Shaboady. He went from: Boring, boring, bad writing, bad development, bad writing, boring, zOMg LEET HaX0R 0meGa bAtLz CHPTEr AwSuMzz LesS FighTinG, L00ve!!!
Ha exactly. It seems a lot of poeple only like this show because of meeting/fighting shichi/yonkou/admirals. If it doesn't have to do with them then One Piece sucks.
I on the other hand was pissed when kizaru was sent to kill strawhats. I was like this is bullshit they shouldn't be fighting one yet, no way ready. If they beat one that would make this story horrible. And now Oda managed to let them get their assed kicked and live. And now on anohter new exciting adventure.
I'm excited to seee where this goes. Am I gonna praise Oda for his story telling and throwing Luffy on this island as being amazing. NO, but i'm also not gonna jump to the this is bullshit, cap out, filler, stupid or whatver band wagon either. I will wait and read enjoyable chapters one week after another and find out wether i like it or not once this arc is done.
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@Zik:
And I'm saying that some of them just might not care whether they are planning something else or don't want to be bothered with it. They recognize it is a requirement and would be outright not fulfilling it. Other than the empty threat of stripping them of their title they are not directly effected in a negative way.
Of course the WG has thought of this…They probably gave them an incentive to participate. Like you said the WG aren't incompetent.
@Zik:
You say this as if the WG haven't thought of this before. There must be a reason they haven't acted on it. Currently WB's power is no different than it was before, save Ace. Clearly the WG know that with the aliance with the shichibukai and their marine force the most they can reach is a BALANCE. So I would assume they have some trump card up their sleeve that will give them the edge and it doesn't involve the shihc(well if the trump card is the pacifistas it kinda does but it is still separate from them as a whole).
And that trump card is Blackbeard…he's probably the one who proposed the whole idea of taking down Blackbeard now. His plans just got better because Ace went to him. When Ace showed up, he got his bait for WB and ticket to the Shichibukai.
And will people please stop being whiner babies about the Amazon Lily arc, it just started. There has to be a reason why Kuma sent Luffy there and apparently Boa Hancock is an important person. So no, this is not a filler.
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Ha exactly. It seems a lot of poeple only like this show because of meeting/fighting shichi/yonkou/admirals. If it doesn't have to do with them then One Piece sucks.
I on the other hand was pissed when kizaru was sent to kill strawhats. I was like this is bullshit they shouldn't be fighting one yet, no way ready. If they beat one that would make this story horrible. And now Oda managed to let them get their assed kicked and live. And now on anohter new exciting adventure.
I'm excited to seee where this goes. Am I gonna praise Oda for his story telling and throwing Luffy on this island as being amazing. NO, but i'm also not gonna jump to the this is bullshit, cap out, filler, stupid or whatver band wagon either. I will wait and read enjoyable chapters one week after another and find out wether i like it or not once this arc is done.
I agree in exactly was Hinscher is saying. It’s just plain stupid, to complain about each chapter that isn’t 100% enjoyable, or action filled. That would just make One Piece into an ordinary half bad story. What I personally find fascinating about OP, is its great character development, which does take some time, and the kind humour mixed with serenity.
Okay, that sounded a bit dull, but what I’m saying is: One Piece is not One Piece if you can’t handle to sit down and enjoy each and every chapter. Sure some are better than others, that can’t be helped, but it’s still a brilliant story!
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In a few chapters these people will be back to going ''I would never have thought of that! Oda's a god of manga! Praise Oda-sama!'', I guarantee.
Probably the most "Right On The Nose" prediction in this whole thread.
Just curious, what's the ratio of predictions coming true vs being completely wrong on this forum?
Although it is VERY fun to speculate and predict what's going to happen next but not to the point where you now develop an hateful rivalry toward eachother because someone doesn't agree with your views.
Anyway, we do not have enough information to determine which Yokou is the best (Strongest isn't always necessarily the best), or even who are the individual Yokou's at this point.
The Shichi = Pirates with a power/ability/aura/reputation that the WG deems beneficial in keeping a balance. Whether the WG really cares about this balance, at this point, is up in the air IMO. The Shichi's didnt have to accept shit from the WG but no doubt the WG offered an incentive, ontop of the fact that these Shichi will not have to worry about WG interference in anything they do.
Once a Pirate, always a Pirate just now with a get out of jail free card. The Shichi's DO NOT have to worship the WG, the Shichi's DO NOT have to BELIEVE in the WG, the Shichi's DO NOT have to Like/Love the WG, all the Shichi's have to do is eliminate any Pirate crew the WG deems a threat and maybe other destructive matters as well.
I agree with Zik in the sense that the Shichi's are not FORCED to DO ANYTHING. If Moria didn't wanna go he doesn't have to, although I think in his position he would probably get his titled stripped if he constantly refuses to disregard his obligation to the WG, ONLY because he just got his ass handed to him, his whole zombie force wiped, and his reputation spitted on so his "purpose" (of being mean, strong, scary, and powerful) is whithering in the WG eyes….the WG doesn't want to have to replace him because of politics but if they had to, they would, I am sure there are plenty of Pirate Crews out there that would love the incentives.
Both parties have good point but not enough to establish anything concrete at this point, just not enough information yet.
Patience, but I must admit, alot of the discussions that are going on here are getting better and batter as the story develops...keep those minds rolling but lets not grudge anyone for not agreeing with you, it just creates a separation within the community which, in turn, slates our collective minds coming together and developing awesome predictions that may hopefully come to be fact.
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I would get a good laugh, if you could get Luffy's Frilly Flower Costume in the next games.
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@Zik:
Sorry I will rephrase.
If the WG come out of this winning without most of the shichi's help how does it effect the shichi? in anyway negative or positive?Believe I've answered why the government obviously won't take kindly to traitor who didn't assist them.
When will that time come? Seems a little ambiguous to say the shichi would be targeted when the yonkou are taken care of. They haven't gotten one yet but if that is their goal the smart shichi would expect that and thus prove my point of them not giving a fuck about much of the WG's affairs now.
Already brought up the idea that some Shickibukai will preemptively change sides. I don't see how you're proving your point when I was never arguing that. Nobody ever said they give a shit about the WG, but they still have their own motives either participating or not participating in the upcoming battle.
Yea but I'm saying even when Kizaru tells the higher ups this, they won't act on it or better yet won't be able to other than saying to keep a closer eye on him and then perhaps questioning him where Kuma would lie
I'm sorry but again I don't think Moria gives a fuck if he pisses the WG off or not. All the reasons you gave as to why he would follow orders have to do with you assuming he is afraid of the empty threat of the WG stripping him of his title or that for some reason he would be looking for recognition from them after losing to Luffy. After his defeat the WG didn't seem all concerned with the fact that he lost but if he would continue his position this is shown with the talk with Kuma. As a smart person even Moria would predict that the WG would be worrying about his status and if he'd continue on as a shichi because the WG need him. That gives Moria leverage. I still see no legit reason where Moria would gain anything in this war or why he would want to just because the WG asked.And I'm telling you you're dead wrong. He assisted pirates in the presence of an Admiral and you think thats not going to be seen as a Betrayal? You shouldn't be suprised if Kizaru or Sengoku orders Garp to dismantle his ass upon arrival, Vegapunk shuts him down, or they put him in a Suicidal Situation against WB. You act like an Admirals word isn't worth much and the 5 Stars will forgive him just like that. Kuma himself probably believes he'll be dealt with soon.
Well that thinkings is beyond retarded. He is a criminal who they pardoned so he could help them in the future. To think they'll just let him chill while they go to war is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. His old shickibukai duties are superceded by his duties now. It was a mandatory summon, that shows they aren't fucking around and they will not leave him alone to continue what he was doing prior to his defeat once the war is over(if it went smoothly which is obviously wont'). Moria's only option if he doesn't fight would be to go into hiding. You act like he couldn't have been dealt with, if they wished, even when his group was a full strength. Now he's extremely vulnerable and it would take years to rebuild without the WG support.
Lets say Moria has a reason for not wanting to go, and just dismisses the mandatory meeting. The WG would ask about him and then deal with the matter later by tryin to contact him, if they don't reach him there is nothing to do until they get their first problem out the way, WB. Sending anyone after Moria cuz he didn't show up would be ill-advised unless this person would do it with quickness.
Do you seriously think they'll just want to talk and ask him nicely why they had to send a V.Admiral and lots of troops in place of him during battles and listen to his reasoning before deciding what action to take? They sent a fleet simply because some douches got beat up in an auction house. I never said they'd deal with him immediatly.
If their status is removed they'll be treated like regular pirates again. Only because of their reptuations the marines would come down even harder once they are able to do so.
What are YOU talking about???????? This is not a war against all 4 yonkou! It is against one. Everything else you say after that does not apply. If the marines take down WB and his crew with or without the shichi's help they would not turn on the shichi after that.
Yes they are and yes they would. They instigated this encounter so they can defeat the top pirate, your blind if you think they'll defeat him and just stop. Don't know why people believe the war is WB vs. the World. Its a war to end the Great Pirate Age, WB is just the first step. Not paying attention to people like Shakky&Don Flamingo who realize the world is about to change again just like it did when Roger was executed? Does everything need to explicity said to know whats going on?
Newsflash the war is the rest of the series where the WG will be trying to crush every pirate faction killing any inspiration for new pirates. That includes the dangerous and mostly malevolent Shickibukai who the WG never had a good relationship with.
As of now the war is WB against the marines why you think that all 3 other yonkou would join with WB is a mystery.
Because one fight to save Ace= a war?
Again you are saying yonkou as if it's been said the marines are baiting a war with all 4 of them which they are not. So far there is no connection to Kaidou or the the unknown 4th when it comes to rescuing Ace. It is not even clear that Shanks will join.
You're comprehension sucks….. because I never said that....Read the above. The battle against the WB pirates is just the first step in ending this age, just like getting the Darkness fruit was BB's first(technically 2nd) step to becoming PK.
As for going after them the same time. If they don't it benefits the shichi that would ignore the order. If the WG strip them of their title for not showing up they risk the possibility of those shichi joining or just helping WB which would not be good for the WG.
What are you talking about? They are not going to announce they lost their titles. Why do you keep on thinking this. Nobody said Sengoku's gonna notice Kuma and/or Moria isn't at the meeting he'll immediatly order some V.Admirals and their fleets to go apprehend them. Even if they did message them they're no longer Shickibukai, unless they've already decided to be a pirates again o the Shicki will not get a chance to join WB. Think this stems from the confusion that you think its going to be a prolonged war vs. the WB pirates. No thats just one(albeit major) battle out of the hundreds that consistitue a war.
So you think any of the shichi would be dumb enough to see a fleet of marines come at them and not think twice? If they went in to any of the yonkou's territory thyey'd catch wind of a threat before the fight starts and then decide to flee or fight.
Dude you're completely lost. Who said anything about a fleet coming after them? Point I'm making is that whenever the WG decided to go after them, they would most definitily be on the priority list of targets. Whether they go after them days, weeks, months, or decades after their betrayal isn't my point.
There must be a misunderstanding. I'll tell you what I think the deal is again, the shichi are used as 7 powerful pirates to scare pirates and would be pirates. As usual if they were not shichi they fight any pirates they want. Criminal activities that do not oppose the WG are turned a blind eye to. Any money they steal from other pirates are there's except for 10%. When they make plans or commit a series of actions that threaten the marines or go against the WG then they are pursued as pirates again for breaking the deal.
Sorry but they are only allowed to attack other pirates or places the WG wants to get a foothold in. They don't allow them to harm civilians in WG affiliated countries, though you're right they will try to stretch the terms of the deal to allow them to keep their status for the sake of balance.They still aren't allowed to pillage and destroy in mass like normal pirates do. A few people go missing fine, a city can be covered up, a few cities and pretty sure they might start looking for other candidates.
All that stuff you were saying, I think they were meant to be examples were just plain sloppy. Why you brought up BB I dunno it didn't make any sense since all of his actions were prior to him becoming a shichi. Things you said like one of the shichi could do _____ would directly contradict things you said another couldn't do. It's one deal for all of them, all criminal activities that don't effect the WG negatively are not acknowledged.
The last line is bullshit. I meant to put a "?" behind separate deals. I was trying to just show you that being a Shickibukai allows them benefits like leeway to do a few bad things like you say, but more importantly allows them to build up funds and criminal organizations in secret or loopholes in the law. Loosing that status is not good for business as they loose that kind of freedom.
You said the WG allowed BB to manipulate world events. That is wrong. He was not a shichi then. So far nothing since turning in Ace we haven't even seen him. The only thing that could be seen as a world event is what turning in Ace triggered. You saying the WG allowed BB to manipulate world events doesn't make sense. Everything you just said BB did was before he became a shichi, the WG was unaware that it was his doing. You talk as everything you just said was while he was a shichi.
IF he does this and IF the WG allow him to then you can say that he is manipulating world events and the WG allows it.No I didn't. I said his title allowed him to do so.
No shit, what do you think I'm talking about.
The rest of that is gibberish showing a complete lack of understanding of whats going on in OP, what BB is doing, and what I'm saying.
I hope you understand what I am saying everything BB has done so far was before he was a shichi and the WG never heard of him before Lafitte showed up at the meeting. so you can't say the WG allowed it.
I hope you understand these lasts two quotes make it seem to me I'm wasting my time, since its not rocket science I'm speaking here yet you're completely off the mark. How do you not understand the idea of caus&effect. BB turned in Ace, this caused the WG to provoke a battle. With his new status he can participate in the battle and make his move when the time is right.
Now you're combining speculation with fact. We don't know when Moria started making this army, we don't know when he lost his crew, we don't know when his bounty reached 320 mil. Are you saying this from the view where Moria was never a shichi or if he defected?
Its common knowledge all happened at least 10 years ago. All Shickibukai bounties are suspended upon obtain their status remember?
Never a shickibukai. He obviously obtained his 320 million bounty before amassing his army so he was infamous for something else.
Besides that, other than the mystery of ships disappearing in the FT prior to Moria being there I don't know how the marines would come to the conclusion that Moria is creating a zombie army anyway.
Whether they would be able to find Moria is not my point. If he wasn't a Shickibukai they'd still be going after him as hard if not harder than the SH.
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It didn't take very long for the amazons to folow rule 34
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@VL7:
It didn't take very long for the amazons to follow rule 34
Hmm. I think I read a comic about this recently…lemme go check.
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Man, tell me about it. I hate browsing through Japanese fanart, because it goes from being perfectly innocent to hard H at the click of a mouse. Or maybe it's because I don't know what I'm clicking on.
At least Japan seems to agree with me on some color schemes.
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And I'm telling you you're dead wrong. He assisted pirates in the presence of an Admiral and you think thats not going to be seen as a Betrayal? You shouldn't be suprised if Kizaru or Sengoku orders Garp to dismantle his ass upon arrival, Vegapunk shuts him down, or they put him in a Suicidal Situation against WB. You act like an Admirals word isn't worth much and the 5 Stars will forgive him just like that. Kuma himself probably believes he'll be dealt with soon.
Well, Kuma said he only has to follow the WG orders. The marines are not the WG. They work for the WG. It is like a General telling a police person what to do. He doesnt have to follow his orders. Kuma pretty much said it.
He may get in trouble because of what he did but not because he disobeyed an admiral. Only cause he didnt allow them to capture the SH who hurt a noble.
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And that trump card is Blackbeard…he's probably the one who proposed the whole idea of taking down Blackbeard now. His plans just got better because Ace went to him. When Ace showed up, he got his bait for WB and ticket to the Shichibukai.
That could be possible, it is yet to be seen. I doubt BB would reveal that much of his plan to the WG tho. He'd agree to the war I don't see him leading the movement that it should happen. It seems more of a Gorusei decision to me.
Believe I've answered why the government obviously won't take kindly to traitor who didn't assist them.
They can only be a traitor if they go against them. Not participating is not directly going against them. On this part I'm done until something else is revealed about the war. If some of the shihci end up not showing up and there isn't a reason given we'll see what the WG do. I doubt they would jump to stripping them of their title cuz that would just create another unnecessary enemy.
And I'm telling you you're dead wrong. He assisted pirates in the presence of an Admiral and you think thats not going to be seen as a Betrayal? You shouldn't be suprised if Kizaru or Sengoku orders Garp to dismantle his ass upon arrival, Vegapunk shuts him down, or they put him in a Suicidal Situation against WB. You act like an Admirals word isn't worth much and the 5 Stars will forgive him just like that. Kuma himself probably believes he'll be dealt with soon.
We shall see. since Kuma has been regarded as the most loyal shichi. I don't think they would automatically go after him even if Kizaru is screaming for it to happen. It wouldn't be smart at all to immediately go for his head right now especially if the other shihci catch wind of it. That's a possible coup d'etat if you will for most of them.
Well that thinkings is beyond retarded. He is a criminal who they pardoned so he could help them in the future. To think they'll just let him chill while they go to war is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. His old shickibukai duties are superceded by his duties now. It was a mandatory summon, that shows they aren't fucking around and they will not leave him alone to continue what he was doing prior to his defeat once the war is over(if it went smoothly which is obviously wont'). Moria's only option if he doesn't fight would be to go into hiding. You act like he couldn't have been dealt with, if they wished, even when his group was a full strength. Now he's extremely vulnerable and it would take years to rebuild without the WG support.
sigh Well for Kuma we shall see, I'm done telling you why I disagree with what you think. You can w/e I said is retarded I couldn't give a fuck if you agreed with me.
As for Moria, they wouldn't be able to take him down easily and once they made a move to go after him that would give other WG enemies(yonkou or Dragon) the chance to make some moves on their own. It's a tug of war betweeen two sides, it makes no sense to start warring with a faction on your side when it can be fixed.
Do you seriously think they'll just want to talk and ask him nicely why they had to send a V.Admiral and lots of troops in place of him during battles and listen to his reasoning before deciding what action to take?
No but they'd make an effort to figure out if he has outright betrayed them before going after him. I'm glad you made it clear it won't be immediate cuz I am talking about right now not down the line after the war is over. When that time comes they'll be prepared.
If a shichi would to refuse the order NOW, the WG would not be able to make any drastic actions NOW. Yes they would go after them eventually but no time during this war and most likely not right after it.
Yes they are and yes they would. They instigated this encounter so they can defeat the top pirate, your blind if you think they'll defeat him and just stop. Don't know why people believe the war is WB vs. the World. Its a war to end the Great Pirate Age, WB is just the first step. Not paying attention to people like Shakky&Don Flamingo who realize the world is about to change again just like it did when Roger was executed? Does everything need to explicity said to know whats going on?
Alright you're a lost cause you've hijacked the manga and are now stating your predictions as fact. As of now the war is agianst one yonkou not all. I'm not talking about if they go after the rest of them, that's what you are doing. I'm dealing on the first yonkou it's up to Oda if the WG would really decide to make them engage in another war after they most likely lose a lot of men. You must be stupid to think the WG would go after all yonkou now. Garp said it awhile back that it's basically a risk for the marines to go up against 2 legends and that way Ray. You really think they'd go after the other 3 if they took down WB? What sense does that make? Yes they'd eventually go after them but if you think they'd get cocky with taking down one and go for the other 3 you're not good at war strategy….
Newsflash the war is the rest of the series where the WG will be trying to crush every pirate faction killing any inspiration for new pirates. That includes the dangerous and mostly malevolent Shickibukai who the WG never had a good relationship with.
The war is WB pirates vs. marines/Shichibukai.
Because one fight to save Ace= a war?
A war against the WB pirates dumbass. Why da fuck would Kaidou or the unknown 4th care if WB takes down the WG or gets taken down other than that giving them the opportunity of getting OP? Nobody gives a fuck about Ace except for Luffy and WB. Just because a war starts with WB doesn't mean itll pull in the other 3….. and that's if he loses.
You're comprehension sucks….. because I never said that....Read the above. The battle against the WB pirates is just the first step in ending this age, just like getting the Darkness fruit was BB's first(technically 2nd) step to becoming PK.
And you constantly make your assumptions as facts. The current war is against the WB pirates. It is yet to be determined if any other force will join. If another yonkou goes against the marines after this that would be ANOTHER war. Stop trying to group one event with all other possible wars.
Even if it is a start of them trying to take down all of the yonkou that is only IF they take down the first one.
No I didn't. I said his title allowed him to do so.
No shit, what do you think I'm talking about.
The rest of that is gibberish showing a complete lack of understanding of whats going on in OP, what BB is doing, and what I'm saying.
He did not have his title when he did any of that. Taking down Wapol, getting his DF, killing Thatch, taking down Ace were all things before he became a shichi. The last thing making him a shichi. So I must ask what world events has BB manipulated that the WG have allowed? If you say this war I'd like some proof cuz you're assuming that. Fucking ridiculous.
Seeing as you believe your assumptions to be fact I'll stop here.
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@Xai:
The town reminded me of the human village of the future in "Time Machine" by H.G Wells. Nice.
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that is quite cool :Doh and zik actually shanks could have joined WB to free ace, but i doubt that to be honest;
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@Zik:
That could be possible, it is yet to be seen. I doubt BB would reveal that much of his plan to the WG tho. He'd agree to the war I don't see him leading the movement that it should happen. It seems more of a Gorusei decision to me.
Yes, I think the Gorusei agreed on BB's proposal to takedown WB after seeing his power. I think we all agree that BB is using the Shichibukai to take down WB. I think that it is also a given that he won't stay long as a Shichibukai and that he will leave after he achieve whatever his plans are. Nothing new here all of this has been said before in this forum.
Also, I don't think the WG cares about destroying the balance as long as it tips in their favor. I think that the WG figured that they can't control pirates with just the marines so they created the Shichibukai and thus the so called balance was created.
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Well. It took me about 30 minutes to scroll to the bottom of the (previous) page, and by that time I had forgotten what I was going to say. On that note, a friend of mine pointed out that not just Shichibukai, but a good portion of the enemies in One Piece have an animalesque name/theme:
- Garp; His whole Dog thing. (Neutral)
- Kuro; Captain of the Black Cat pirates.
- Aokiji; The Blue Pheasant
- Akainu; The Red Dog.
- Kizaru; The Yellow Monkey.
- Chu; Short for Chewbacca.
- Dragon; …...Dragon? (Neutral)
- Sengoku; Goat and Seagull hat.
- Bellamy; "The Hyena".
- Jaguar D. Saul; Jaguar. (Neutral)
- All Shichibukai (BB as an exception)
I'm sure I missed some, but the point is that Shichibukai aren't the only ones with animals in their name or apparel. But since it took me so long to scroll down this stupid page, I forgot what else I had to say…
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i love the zoo XD
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@dwo:
The chapter was incredibly well drawn. The town looked amazing.
The story, to be honest, if there is no connection to the main story, and this turns out to some sort of filler, one piece lost a lot of appeal to me.
fillers only exist in the anime. main story in the manga is every page starting from chapter 1, page 1.
on topic: this chapter was extremely funny to me. they really want his balls.
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fillers only exist in the anime. main story in the manga is every page starting from chapter 1, page 1.
on topic: this chapter was extremely funny to me. they really want his balls.
I think it's moronic for people to call something Oda does filler.
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Well. It took me about 30 minutes to scroll to the bottom of the (previous) page, and by that time I had forgotten what I was going to say. On that note, a friend of mine pointed out that not just Shichibukai, but a good portion of the enemies in One Piece have an animalesque name/theme:
- Garp; His whole Dog thing. (Neutral)
- Kuro; Captain of the Black Cat pirates.
- Aokiji; The Blue Pheasant
- Akainu; The Red Dog.
- Kizaru; The Yellow Monkey.
- Chu; Short for Chewbacca.
- Dragon; …...Dragon? (Neutral)
- Sengoku; Goat and Seagull hat.
- Bellamy; "The Hyena".
- Jaguar D. Saul; Jaguar. (Neutral)
- All Shichibukai (BB as an exception)
I'm sure I missed some, but the point is that Shichibukai aren't the only ones with animals in their name or apparel. But since it took me so long to scroll down this stupid page, I forgot what else I had to say…
Well ummm Luffy I guess could also be a monkey, I see Kizaru as an orangutan lol(what am I saying??)
Mihawk, I mean I'm sure there are many more(like a lot). I think Oda said all of the SHs have some animal to rep them as well. I don;t think there are ones for Brook tho….
Oh and WB can loosely be connected to a great white whale, I may be reaching because of his ship tho but that may be also helping that assumption.
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The latest volume has an SBS that tells what animals Robin, Franky, and Brook represent in the crew:
Robin - crane
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I can see Robin's in my head when I think about it, but not the other two.
Not that I don't get it, but… yeah.
Not like it really matters. o/
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shrug I don't really think of a "duck" when I see Sanji either, but that's his animal.
Of course it does help that his seiyuu also voiced Carue . . . .
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I can see Robin's in my head when I think about it, but not the other two.
Not that I don't get it, but… yeah.
Not like it really matters. o/
Have you not seen Brook. He is freakin hung like a horse, lol.
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The latest volume has an SBS that tells what animals Robin, Franky, and Brook represent in the crew:
Robin - crane
Franky - bull
Brook - horseWeird, I immediately think Rooster when I think of Franky, and a cricket or grasshopper when I think of Brooke. Wasn't there even a cover-spread of him playing with crickets?
Robin as a crane… yeah, I can see that. Come to think of it, the crane was a sacred animal to the Ainu, which are indigenous people of Northern Hokkaido (Far Northern Japan). Greg, do you think it's possible that Oda's inspiration for the Oharans came from the Ainu?
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Have you not seen Brook. He is freakin hung like a horse, lol.
…....wow that makes me question you......
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
…....wow that makes me question you......
What I just speak truth. Have you not noticed that Brook is hard all the time, he is always having a BONEr
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What I just speak truth. Have you not noticed that Brook is hard all the time, he is always having a BONEr
sixteennohomo'ssixteen
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[[B]x] Plug "Less Fighting, Love" into post
[[B]x] Make a valid point in same post
[[B]x] Draw something in Paint and post it
[[B]x] Start drama in the New Nakama thread
[[B]x] Quote Star Wars
[[B]x] Derail Thread
[[B]x] Fail to complete Programming Assignment
[[B]_] Fail to go to sleep on timeThis is sure to be one of the most complete days I have had all year!!
**On Topic:** I cannot imagine this "arc" taking very long to conclude itself unless Oda switches to the other SH crew for a few pages here and there. I really just cannot imagine Oda leaving us in the dark about them for very long. For that matter, I am itching to know what ever happened to Law and Kidd.