A mytical white tiger with the speed of light
Like Driger in Beyblade LOL
The Various Zoan Types
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Hey, this is kind of on topic, but anyone know enough japanese to guess what name this category of dinosaur devil fruits will have? We've seen Neko Neko, Inu Inu, and Ushi Ushi, but what would the dinos be called?
"dino dino no mi model raptor" that sounds cool)))
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I've always wanted to see a Dragon zoan…..kind of hoping Dragon was one.
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@rain134:
"dino dino no mi model raptor" that sounds cool)))
It certainly does, but I'm just wondering what the japanese version of this will be. I don't know enough of the language to answer it myself.
I see that "Kyouryuu" is kangi for dinosaur, but that doesn't quite fit the tradition DF naming system.
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do i feel an akainu in that dog ? XD (joking)
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Maybe akainu is a cerberus… fits his name..
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I think I may have figured out a clue as to what exactly the demon beasts are. I felt that they were df users, but something just didn't feel right. They don't seem to be able to speak, they were referred to as monsters who treat humans as trash, implying that they are not human. Anyway, look at their hands. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/533/10-11/
Then, look at monster point chopper's hands. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/411/04/
They look the same. That's not how regular zoan hands look. I think vegapunk is behind this. I believe vegapunk has found a way to manifest the devil fruit's own form without a host. Well, at least for zoans. That or he's come up with something similar to chopper's rumble balls with a longer lasting, not so giant effect.
I'm wondering if when the minotaur falls into the blood lake, we'll just see a df floating by. In other words, it will revert the minotaur back to it's sealed form, which is the fruit.
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I'm not so sure about DF in itslef being the monsters
but you have a good point about the consistancy of Chopper's monster form and the 4 guard of impel down
perhaps they're the permanent giants animal DF users
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I'm not so sure about DF in itslef being the monsters
but you have a good point about the consistancy of Chopper's monster form and the 4 guard of impel down
perhaps they're the permanent giants animal DF users
and chooper might turn out like that if he uses runble ball too muchInteresting read…
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I don't mean to sound condescending but that's how this will come off across the internet.
After the Minotaur's reveal and in the weeks leading up to their unveiling, their muteness, the animalistic eyes of three of the four and the way Sadie talks to/about them as pets, it seemed pretty obvious they were freaks of nature like many of the other inhabitants of ID.
Could Vegapunk play a role? Certainly. In fact, with the Minozebra having intelligent eyes, it would be interesting if he was a 'success'. But I think they're just going to be abominations like the rest of the bunch.
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I don't mean to sound condescending but that's how this will come off across the internet.
After the Minotaur's reveal and in the weeks leading up to their unveiling, their muteness, the animalistic eyes of three of the four and the way Sadie talks to/about them as pets, it seemed pretty obvious they were freaks of nature like many of the other inhabitants of ID.
Could Vegapunk play a role? Certainly. In fact, with the Minozebra having intelligent eyes, it would be interesting if he was a 'success'. But I think they're just going to be abominations like the rest of the bunch.
i called it in the other thread but i'll do it here to. level 6 is a research lab and not just another prison level!
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i called it in the other thread but i'll do it here to. level 6 is a research lab and not just another prison level!
On that note, my theory is Luffy will run into some "creature" in the sixth floor who has been experimented on. Luffy will free him and that "creature" will join Luffy, and will complete the final and last member of the SH crew. Thus, they will have a complete SH crew as they cross the Red Line.
This creature, can just be a regular person who's been altered and such in a whacky way. No way to know what Oda has come up with. He'd have a "skill" that can be added to the SH crew.
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smurfx,
Oh now wouldn't that be interesting! Hmmm!
I'm not sure about the practicality of it in terms of traveling back and forth between MF and there BUT it would certainly provide plenty of test subjects! Very cool idea!
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If they were DF users, there must be a lot of Seastone and stuff like that in ID. So if there was, they'd be limited in how to deal with prisoners. So yeah, freaks of nature they must be. I get the idea Luffy's going down to lvl.6 anyway, so I guess the Okama Queen won't be on lvl.5 like BK thinks he will be.
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The rumours are that level 6 had ancient beasts of such monstrosity that they had to be locked away. Or something like that.
It would make sense that these are failed experiments of Vegapunk - to various degrees. It also makes Vegapunk, almost certainly, a bad guy.
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an animal who ate a zoan devil fruit, is what I could think of atm making them more mindless ones lol
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I'm just waiting until we see that he's still al… Nope not yet.
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I like that "vegapunk is at level 6 and experiment with prisoners" idea and i would like to see a secret tunnel between ID and MF under the sea ground. That would kick ass.
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It has been said that the Basilisk is a Mutant build to guard Impel Down who isn't able to
survive in the wilderness. So I think Minotauros, Minozebra … are also Mutants build by Vegapunk, but I think the Doc is in some special Labor in MHQ cuz It was sauid he is the "Chief Scientist of Marineheadquarters" ... The Idea with the Rumble balls are also godd, but I think, there are half human half animal creatures. -
personally i think that the beasts here are nothing but creations, but im sure that the creator isn't vegapunk. i know he is amazing but so far the technology he produces seems to be related to df's or mechanical technology, so my thoughts are they are created by someone else that has a better understanding of gene experimentation.
my best example of someone more in touch with this sort of science would be someone like dr.hogback, and no im not saying he did this but im trying to make the different comparison between a weapons engineer and a doctor/geneoligist.
another thing is that these beasts may have been round for a while so maybe the creator is no longer there or is trying to perfect his creations in the lower level, but for what reason i ask.
im sure that beasts like the spynx were created inside impel down due to practicability, and judging by its mental limitations i would say it was one of the first tries that were later scaled down and perfected into the 4 guardians we have today.
one more thing, when we saw the scorpions and other less powerful creatures it made me wonder if they are made from the bodies of the people thrown into the pit, because to be able to produce such creatures in mass quantity you would need bodies…....
i even wonder if hannibal, magallen, saldeath and sadie-chan are results of this person, are at least have they been altered........?
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Akkuman's second cousin is on Level 6. He uses a variation of the Devilmite Beam that corrupts anything it touches by accentuating its inner evil. This is the secret behind Magellan, Hannyabel, the Demon Guards, and even those freaky Den Den Mushi. All of them have had a more or less constant exposure to his Devil Rays, with some receiving periodic higher doses (such as when they spend extended periods of time in Level 6) It's even begun to alter some of the more evil prisoners on Level 5, and that's why Oda hasn't shown us Croc's face.
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If they were DF users, there must be a lot of Seastone and stuff like that in ID. So if there was, they'd be limited in how to deal with prisoners. So yeah, freaks of nature they must be. I get the idea Luffy's going down to lvl.6 anyway, so I guess the Okama Queen won't be on lvl.5 like BK thinks he will be.
As far as we've seen, Seastone doesn't do jack to Zoans.
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It has been said that the Basilisk is a Mutant build to guard Impel Down who isn't able to
Woah hold up. Unless I missed something, it never said they were built, just that they were freaks of nature.
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As far as we've seen, Seastone doesn't do jack to Zoans.
What? When? Where?
I can't remember of a single canon instance where a zoan was touched by Seastone. Seastone would affect them as it would any other fruit user: they would be unable to transform and (maybe) would return to their natural or base form. -
Nice finding! Those hands are irritating.
But I doubt that they are Zoan-DF-Users. More like rare beasts. But if they are, I am sure Vegapunk did domething to them.
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If the theory w/ the Chopper Final Form thing is true then those 4 guardians were at they're final form and someone manipulated/controlled them but looking at they're size compared to Chopper and if they say those 4 guardians are powerful how else could Chopper be strong if he was able to control that power OMG!
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I'm wondering if when the minotaur falls into the blood lake, we'll just see a df floating by. In other words, it will revert the minotaur back to it's sealed form, which is the fruit.
I don't think they're DF users: Minotaurus fell with Luffy and the others, but the guards tell Magellan that he's well, but fainted. If he was a DF user, he should be drowned in the lake, like Magellan said. I think they're just what they look: animals, just like Law's second in comand is a bear and one of Kidd's mates is a cat.
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As far as we've seen, Seastone doesn't do jack to Zoans.
Wrong! Seastones will have the exact same effect on any DF user.
While we have not seen a Zoan brought in contact with a Seastone in the series, we have seen that Chopper is as much a hammer in sea-water as any other DF user is. And seastones are just like sea in a solid form.
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I really do not think they are just rare abominations like the basilisk. The fingers prove they are similar to monster chopper. At the same time, they don't act or look like regular zoan users, so they must be some sort of DF modifications. Notice the way they move their bodies is very similar to the way chopper moves as well.
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Maybe its more like that dog in sky island. it's not a zoan but trained to mimic boxing.
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i called it in the other thread but i'll do it here to. level 6 is a research lab and not just another prison level!
Holy smurf (no pun intended), that idea is pretty good. Though I wouldn't expect Vegapunkt to be in there. I mean we have no proof but with what little we've heard about him I just can't think of the guy as an evil scientist. And for I'd actually expect exactly such a guy to run such a lab.
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Holy smurf (no pun intended), that idea is pretty good. Though I wouldn't expect Vegapunkt to be in there. I mean we have no proof but with what little we've heard about him I just can't think of the guy as an evil scientist. And for I'd actually expect exactly such a guy to run such a lab.
Which was exactly my point when I said that if the Prison beasts are Vegapunk's experiments, and if the level 6 monstors are failed experiments, that would almost certainly make Vegapunk a more genius and evil version of Hogback.
Besides, one thing seems strange. Why would there be a research lab in a high security prison? Even though ID is pretty ruthlessly guarded, yet having the world's greatest scientist researching what could be the state-of-the-art government weaponry in a prison seems unlikely. Unless, of course, if level 6 of Impel Down is The Experimentation Hell of some kind!
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My guess is zoans turned berserk by Sadi-chan ability.
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they are animals who ate their own devil fruit type…(this don't have to be taken serioulsy^^)
but, to be serious. i think that they have to be somehow connected to a devil fruit experiment that leaved them in just one form and without will. Also just their basic character remained, like the minozebras shyness
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look! these beasts aren't df users…....................just no, i don't care if it hasn't been confirmed, logic points to them being something else. beasts, creations, freaks, whatever they are one thing is for sure..............they aren't df users, maybe they were once human, but no longer
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mind explaining your logic?
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mind explaining your logic?
oh common are you seriously questioning this?
they are in a prison full of beast and monstrosities
they beasts haven't even spoken
they havnt changed once into any other form
they would have normal human names, and not ones of beasts…
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.........don't you think its a coincidence then that the guardians are all zoans then?
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hmm. There was the theory that they are results of vegapunks experiments so i think there is room for them being more than just beasts or freaks.
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hmm. There was the theory that they are results of vegapunks experiments so i think there is room for them being more than just beasts or freaks.
well if you read my other posts you would realise that i believe they were created, but not by vegapunk…......
anyway here's what i said
personally i think that the beasts here are nothing but creations, but im sure that the creator isn't vegapunk. i know he is amazing but so far the technology he produces seems to be related to df's or mechanical technology, so my thoughts are they are created by someone else that has a better understanding of gene experimentation.
my best example of someone more in touch with this sort of science would be someone like dr.hogback, and no im not saying he did this but im trying to make the different comparison between a weapons engineer and a doctor/geneoligist.
another thing is that these beasts may have been round for a while so maybe the creator is no longer there or is trying to perfect his creations in the lower level, but for what reason i ask.
im sure that beasts like the spynx were created inside impel down due to practicability, and judging by its mental limitations i would say it was one of the first tries that were later scaled down and perfected into the 4 guardians we have today.
one more thing, when we saw the scorpions and other less powerful creatures it made me wonder if they are made from the bodies of the people thrown into the pit, because to be able to produce such creatures in mass quantity you would need bodies.......
i even wonder if hannibal, magallen, saldeath and sadie-chan are results of this person, are at least have they been altered........?
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@John:
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…......This implies you have more to list, but I get the feeling you have nothing else to say on the matter, right? So essentially your argument that you believe is foolproof is, "The beasts that have been visible (read: not silhouetted) for one page of one chapter have not said anything yet, therefore they are obviously just more beasts like the other strange beasts in Impel Down". Pretty flimsy logic. Especially when you consider the fact that these four all carry weapons, walk upright, and still have somewhat human features outside of their animal forms:[hide]
[/hide]@John:Don't you think its a coincidence then that the guardians are all Zoans then?
Don't you think it's a coincidence that the Boa Sisters all had a Devil's Fruit that was related to the Gorgon Curse, or if you think like I do and disregard that, then don't you think it's a coincidence that Marigold and Sandersonia both had a Snake Zoan? Etc, etc. And yes, I am implying there are more examples of "coincidences" in One Piece. =P
@John:Also when a Zoan is beat up so badly I would expect them to lose control of their DF and revert to being human.
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i guess Kaku is the exception there Brennen?
Probably because he just ate his fruit.. not enough control, blah blah blah
Anyway, this thread is really interesting. I wouldn't doubt a lab beneath the fifth floor. But if it were Vegapunk's.. and assuming he's up to his usual devil fruit research, then I wonder if he theoretically has used Crocodile as a "specimen".. he's been there long enough… That then would bring the possibility of seeing his sand abilities being incorporated into something like a cyborg or weapon. hmm..
But as far as the demon guards go... maybe they are just a clue as to what Sadi-chan's possible DF ability is?
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If you're implying that Sadie-chan has the type of DF power I think you're implying that she has, then she and Perona are going to be
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@Xai:
Besides, one thing seems strange. Why would there be a research lab in a high security prison? Even though ID is pretty ruthlessly guarded, yet having the world's greatest scientist researching what could be the state-of-the-art government weaponry in a prison seems unlikely.
1.The extreme security allows for none of the secret expirimentation to be released/seen by the public.
2. The prisoners, society's outcasts, and many of which have eaten Devil Fruits would make incredible patients for expirimentation/case studies. They would allow for further knowledge of devil fruit capabilities/limitations as well as make wonderful fodder for groundbreaking technological/weapon testing.
just a couple reasons i can think of right away. There's probably more reasons
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i guess Kaku is the exception there Brennen?
Probably because he just ate his fruit.. not enough control, blah blah blah
No. Kaku isn't knocked out. He clearly changes back on his own, collapses on the floor, and then gives the key to Zoro. The others were knocked out. I mean Chopper is our shining example, being in his "Brain Point" form 99% of the time. Not saying they can't revert back or never do or anything, but at least from what we have seen it should be clear that it isn't something that can be used against Minotaurus as a Zoan, because we have seen Zoan's get knocked out still in hybrid form.
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you actually believe he turned back on his own?while yes he was conscience doesnt mean he wasnt knocked out of his form like how you say chopper is a shining example it seems that kaku is the other sides shining example to this arguement.
i gotta say i believe they are geneticly created creatures with no involvement with df or creatures of old that have been slaved and captured to be in impel down
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This implies you have more to list, but I get the feeling you have nothing else to say on the matter, right? So essentially your argument that you believe is foolproof is, "The beasts that have been visible (read: not silhouetted) for one page of one chapter have not said anything yet, therefore they are obviously just more beasts like the other strange beasts in Impel Down". Pretty flimsy logic. Especially when you consider the fact that these four all carry weapons, walk upright, and still have somewhat human features outside of their animal forms:[hide][qimg]http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2172/zoanornoan.jpg[/qimg][/hide]Don't you think it's a coincidence that the Boa Sisters all had a Devil's Fruit that was related to the Gorgon Curse, or if you think like I do and disregard that, then don't you think it's a coincidence that Marigold and Sandersonia both had a Snake Zoan? Etc, etc. And yes, I am implying there are more examples of "coincidences" in One Piece. =P
ok seeming as you are being a complete a** today i shall elaborate. the first part of my post only listed a few reasons why, then instead of deleting etc etc i just listed a few more later on. is that simple enough for you to understand or would you like to write another reply which makes you look like a condescending a**? any reason for this kind of reply?
also, with the little i know about them i use the only information i can put together and make a choice from that…....trying to use logic, no matter how flimsy it is, its still better than your example of them standing upright;p
also you clearly havnt read my other posts on my thoughts about the guardians, as you would clearly see that i thought it was a possibility that they were once human that have been genetically altered, i just completely disagree on them being normal humans with zoan df's. why dont you give your reasons instead of trying to trash mine?
this is how ive put together the pieces, like it or not, its my speculation.........
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Don't know if it's a good proof but doesn't Oda usually give the DF info if they have one when they have their introduction box?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/528/06/vs
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@John:
The first part of my post only listed a few reasons why, then instead of deleting etc etc i just listed a few more later on. Any reason for this kind of reply?
sigh You really shouldn't take thing so seriously. Loosen up a bit. You actually never listed "more reasons later on", you just tossed out baseless theories that you have or ideas that you like concerning the matter. Nothing wrong with making theories or liking ideas of course, but when you step out as if this is all cold hard fact cased off of your infallible logic, then we have a problem, no? I say "cold hard fact" and "infallible logic" because of this:[hide]
@John:
Look! These beasts aren't DF users. Just no. I don't care if it hasn't been confirmed, logic points to them being something else.
@John:
Oh, come on, are you seriously questioning this?
^^ If I were being an "a**", I would say something like, "Well thanks for clarifying ODA." or something else stupid. Instead, I challenged your claims.[/hide]@John:
Trying to use logic, no matter how flimsy it is, its still better than your example of them standing upright.
No, no it isn't. You need to understand that "the little I know about them" is close to nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. What have we seen? They stood "in the background" of a couple pages in the past few chapters, we haven't seen them talk (like many other people drawn in One Piece), they stand upright unlike any other "beasts" in the prison, they hold weapons unlike any other "beasts" in the prison, they wear clothing unlike any other "beasts" in the prison, and they have some human-looking portions of their body visible like every other hybrid Zoan in the series. Your "logical" conclusion from this is that there is no way they are Zoan's, "just no"…? While I said nothing to the contrary of them being experiments gone right or wrong, I am simply debunking your idea that they cannot be Zoan's.
@John:
Why don't you give your reasons instead of trying to trash mine?
…? I'm not trying to "trash" your...whatever you think I am trying to trash. You stated something, and I provided evidence to the contrary. I'm pretty confident I can find a million examples of you doing the same on this forum. I see no reason (as of yet) to believe they are anything other than really mean Zoan users. Why do they remain in Hybrid form? Simple. The reason is because it is scarier, makes them physically stronger, and gives more purpose and reason to their names and titles. Maybe they were experimented on though, maybe they were given more power at the expense of being more animalesque, or maybe they really are just beasts that have been pieced together in a weird Hogback/Vegapunk sort of way. Who knows? While I like the ideas and speculation, there is no reason to shut down the idea that they are just regular Zoan's and/or Zoan's that have been experimented on.
@John:
This is how I've put together the pieces, like it or not, its my speculation.
This, I have no issues with. Of course I would still challenge your speculation, unless you are like Zik and would rather live in your own bubble of a world than discuss ideas, so I hope you are not so stubborn that you cannot see past your own speculative ideas. What I have issues with is this:
[hide]@John:
Look! These beasts aren't DF users. Just no. I don't care if it hasn't been confirmed, logic points to them being something else.
@John:
Oh, come on, are you seriously questioning this?
[/hide]@Shaman:
You actually believe he turned back on his own? Kaku is the other sides shining example to this argument.
Of course I think Kaku turned back on his own. Of all the confirmed Zoan's that have been knocked out while in hybrid form, all of them have remained in hybrid form. Of the three Zoan's that have been "defeated" in hybrid form but not knocked out, all of them have changed back after the fight. The only other example is Pell, who was defeated while not in any form at all. If anything, I credit Lucci's change back to error on Oda's part, or all the other instances errors. The purpose of that post should have been clear in my last sentence, "at least from what we have seen it should be clear that it isn't something that can be used against Minotaurus as a Zoan, because we have seen Zoan's get knocked out still in hybrid form."
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@brennen
ok i should lighten up, it seemed though you were targeting me
i know about the first comment i made was absurd, but i truly believe that it would be common knowledge if they were zoans because it would have been mentioned as it doesn't have any massive effect on the story, why would oda hold back on something so trivial?
from my point of view it seems very unlikely they a zoans, when the theme of the guardians and other creature are that they are beasts…...created to be the force of impel down. also if they are zoans then why haven't we seen any other form?
