Kizaru DF: energy !
Chapter 509 "Kizaru vs 4 Captains" Discussion
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Kizaru DF: energy !
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Funny, the only reason I respond is because people keep presenting it as fact and only possibility.
I try to provide an alternative and point out what my impression of the scenes that makes them belive its a logia is.
Then you come along and provide an alternative to that =P
I do not see it so. The few people I have seen defend the Logia theory have stated they do not think it is fact, just the most probable thus far; myself included. I may have overlooked otherwise, but if so I did not notice and did not see it so. Also, it's not my fault that your view on some of the scenes have been within my ability to find evidence that suggests otherwise; such as the SFX and such. Hehe. I agreed with you on the Light Logia being broken. Plus, like I said, I like to debate when it is possible =)
Change of Subject: I mentioned this in the spoiler thread here:
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! > @wolfwood:It was explained by Oboro on page 12, something along the lines of him returning the damage that Kuma had done, right back at him. Hope theres something more to that ability than being able to muscle up.
Hmm. So perhaps he has a Devil Fruit that allows him to absorb damage and turn it into his own power ~~ which is why he grew to that size?? Similar to the Hulk's anger. He still receives damage, but it only makes him stronger. This could explain why he never changed sizes straight out, adds to the meaning behind his attack, and suggests he might still be alive (barely) somewhere else right now ~~ if only getting stronger and larger still.
! Everyone else voiced their opinions to it here I wonder what anyone else might think of this that didn't go to the Spoiler thread. Anyone?(sorry, I accidentally deleted my post cause I thought I double posted)
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Damnit, I hate Kizaru. Bring back Aokiji. Now he is an Admiral with class and character.
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It looks like any part of Apoos body works like an instrument.
Top of the Head - Cymbals
Chest - Drum
Teeth - Piano keys
Arm - Clarinet (Woodwinds)I wanna see him play guitar with his hair!
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It looks like any part of Apoos body works like an instrument.
Ohhh! What if he can turn other people into instruments? lol, that would teach em! (his enemies, that is)
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As Gorlom stated (his best addition to the debate IMO), having a Light Logia would be too broken an ability. On the other hand, Oda could always make some ridiculous way to counter Kizaru's Logia were it that anyways, making it unbroken
Most powers in One Piece can be considered absurdly broken.
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My theory is that Drake's zoan animal is a T-rex. It isn't directly stated, it could be a dragon, or even Godzilla.
Oh and Appo's powers are so stupid to me -__-, I hope someone breaks his "instruments".
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Ohhh! What if he can turn other people into instruments? lol, that would teach em! (his enemies, that is)
So he can play with others?
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I wonder what other sound effects Apoo can use…
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Good chapter. Notice you can see the internal parts of the Pacifista that the Strawhats beat up. Drake's fruit LOOKS to be a T-Rex fruit, but with Oda, appearances can be deceiving.
Hawkins' fruit isn't a logia. It's like I thought, he covers himself in the straw instead of becoming it.
As for Kizaru… well, Kizaru dodged that attack, he didn't phase through it. There's a puff of smoke where he either dodged using his DF power or Soru. Why would a logia dodge an attack?
And Apoo's devil fruit is amazing. Using sound effects to fight, that's pretty awesome.
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Awesome Chapter,We got a new zoan and Apoo using his Devil Fruit powers
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Drake's fruit LOOKS to be a T-Rex fruit, but with Oda, appearances can be deceiving.
Except the fact that it's a T-Rex.
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@Fire Fist:
Good chapter. Notice you can see the internal parts of the Pacifista that the Strawhats beat up. Drake's fruit LOOKS to be a T-Rex fruit, but with Oda, appearances can be deceiving.
it does look like a t-rex, except for its arms are a little big (at least i think so from the one panel you can see them in…). im thinking since oda has created the whole fictional OP universe, if he wanted to he could make fictional dinosaurs as well...
apoos power is indeed awesome. but i doubt it will stop kizaru... now i cant wait til next week to see what the hell happens
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@Mad:
Except the fact that it's a T-Rex.
Robin's fruit is a Telekinesis fruit.
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Maaaan, this chapter is so crazy is driving the boards insane! We can't handle this much devil fruit speculation at once!
Drake's fruit looks like a T-Rex, but you know Oda's all wacky and unpredictable! It can't be that easy, it can't be something so simple and cool like a T-Rex! It's just a dinosaur that looks and acts like a T-Rex! It's an Allosaurus! Holy Shit Oda's a genius!
This is getting a little silly.
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i thought allosaurus had a horn on its nose or its eyebrows or something. i think it may be the dreaded onepieceosaurus.
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@Fire Fist:
Robin's fruit is a Telekinesis fruit.
No, it's a Hana Hana fruit.
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mad wanze - elevating obnoxiousness to an art-form
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@ onemoment
I'll laugh if it is an Allosaurushere's a pic for reference
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No, it's a Hana Hana fruit.
You missed the joke.
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Yes you did, and this dinosaur arguement is really fucking retarded.
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I know. It's a T-Rex. End of discussion.
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Maaaan, this chapter is so crazy is driving the boards insane! We can't handle this much devil fruit speculation at once!
Drake's fruit looks like a T-Rex, but you know Oda's all wacky and unpredictable! It can't be that easy, it can't be something so simple and cool like a T-Rex! It's just a dinosaur that looks and acts like a T-Rex! It's an Allosaurus! Holy Shit Oda's a genius!
This is getting a little silly.
I said that first in the spoiler thread.
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@Mad:
I never miss a joke.
To explain the joke: it was a commom perception after Robin's first appearance that she had a "telekineses" ability from the way she stole Luffy's hat and pushed back Zoro and Sanji. It was hard for us to conceive that she created extra body parts that pushed them away or stole the hat.
I think the problem regarding Drake's DF is people say something and want it to be right immediately. Just because a lot of people figured Jabura was a wolf from his shadow when he first taunted Lucci doesn't mean every "silhouette" will be right immediately. Drake could be a T-rex, could be an allosaur or could be a completely different carnivorous dinosaur…all we know for now is he is a dinosaur and that's it.
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Well that true that all we know for sure is that Drake devil fruit is a carnivorous dinosaur.
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About the people saying that a rookie couldn't possibly hurt an admiral and how stupid it is. Someone who just entered the Grand Line took out a shichibukai. Then before entering the New World took out a second one. Look, I've always thought that Kizaru's been a light logia, though I've been hoping against all odds for another solution, but that kind of reasoning is just broken in my opinion. I know that attack didn't do any damage no matter what circumstance, but saying that it didn't just because he hasn't been to the New World is stupid.
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@Tokoro:
To explain the joke: it was a commom perception after Robin's first appearance that she had a "telekineses" ability from the way she stole Luffy's hat and pushed back Zoro and Sanji. It was hard for us to conceive that she created extra body parts that pushed them away or stole the hat.
Like I said, I never miss a joke.
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Retorting by claiming that Buggy was the one with the telekinesis fruit would've been the more obvious indicator of it.
And why don't we settle this damn argument by saying Drake is just a Mangasaurus and leave it at that.
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This might sound a bit stupid, but I don't think Kizaru is'nt a Light Man per se, but can control light, like Foxy can control his beams.
I think that, using his control of light, he created a decoy image of himself at the last second(For the lulz and to confuse everyone).
Anyway I just thought this up on the spot, so open to all criticism(I think his power is pretty broken either way though). -
Retorting by claiming that Buggy was the one with the telekinesis fruit would've been the more obvious indicator of it.
But Drake is a T-Rex.
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well my theory for the whole arm thing is something like miria's power in claymore. Regardless of logia status, Kizaru's power probably has something to do with light as he keeps mentioning it, and light can be redirected to form mirages. And if he is a form user that could explain the disappearing effect someone mentioned. Anyways if his power has anything to do with light then it would be wise not to believe what your eyes are telling you.
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Retorting by claiming that Buggy was the one with the telekinesis fruit would've been the more obvious indicator of it.
And why don't we settle this damn argument by saying Drake is just a Mangasaurus and leave it at that.
cause thats not correct…we can
t let this important factor false...thats ...just...damn...no....i hate it when it is wrong..WRONG so why we don
t just say drake is a ancient-DF user type t-rex for so long it´s not 100% stated -
I say Drake's fruit is a dragon:
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Very similar forms.
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Fine, he's a carnivorous theropod.
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Like the people saying that Kizaru is a Light logia is the best answer for now (bullshit..)
I'm saying that X Drake being a T-Re_X_ is the best answer for now as well. (Don't bring up Diez) -
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Mad Wanze is the shit
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he's obviously mad
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Awesome chapter. I always hoped that there would be a dinosaur zoan type, and since it has now been confirmed that there are ancient types, then may other hope of a Dragon zoan may be out there too.
Wow, so we see that those lasers have been Kizaru inspired and incorporated into these Pacifista's. Hawkins is getting serious, and Urouge got a nice hit in. However, Apoo was freaking me out a little bit with what he was doing. Wow. That was freaking crazy. Very cool chapter!
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Like the people saying that Kizaru is a Light logia is the best answer for now (bullshit..)…
I'd to like to quote my suggestion here;
This might sound a bit stupid, but I don't think Kizaru is'nt a Light Man per se, but can control light, like Foxy can control his beams.
I think that, using his control of light, he created a decoy image of himself at the last second(For the lulz and to confuse everyone).
Anyway I just thought this up on the spot, so open to all criticism(I think his power is pretty broken either way though).^In other words, a light paramecia
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Kizaru has no Devil Fruit power. He's using pumped up Rokushiki.
You heard it here first.
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Apoo has no Devil Fruit power. He was created by Vegapunk.
You heard it here first.
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@Tokoro:
To explain the joke: it was a commom perception after Robin's first appearance that she had a "telekineses" ability from the way she stole Luffy's hat and pushed back Zoro and Sanji. It was hard for us to conceive that she created extra body parts that pushed them away or stole the hat.
Given Mad_Wanze's style of posting I doubt he missed FFA's point. He pulls that shit because it deters people from arguing with him… in case whatever he got is contagious over the Internet. :getlost:
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What a chapter.
I think Oda has done great with DF's and abilities of Hawkins,Urouge,Apoo(Oh yeah!) and Drake.
I love Hawkin's Scarecrow suit..if it is a suit.And Drake is immenese.
Lol at Apoo's face when he's playing his teeth…looks like a nerdy teen...but a pwnsome one B).
So Vegapunk reproduced Kizarus'd DF/ability into that pacifista?Sounds weird.
I can't wait to see Vegapunk.Maybe he could clone DF's so thier is more than one of the same fruit and that's how the pacifista got Kizaru's ability....
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So Hawkins controls some kind of straw right?
Then how does controlling the straw translate to re-directing damage
Unless he does some kind of voodoo ritual…
So he has a DF ability and can do voodoo rituals?Just asking cause some people keep saying that there is no magic in OP.
Does voodoo counts as magic?
Enlighten me pleaseOh as for the chapter it's awesome
Am I the only one creeped out of Apoo's abilities?
and props to Urouge for taking a serious beating
as for Drake a T-Rex sounds about right, not stating that it's a fact but dunno why everyone else is not satisfied with a T-Rex -
Just asking cause some people keep saying that there is no magic in OP.
If it's a DF it's exempt from that statement.
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So is Drake a former Commodore or Rear Admiral?
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So a DF that can control straw and allows the user to re-direct damage using straw dolls?:blink: