I think Oda has bigger plans for Teach. He's not just gonna get his ass kicked by Luffy and never show up again like your typical one piece villain. I could see him and Luffy becoming rivals\reluctant allies.
General Blackbeard Thread
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Why do all of you guys want one piece to end with the Shichibukai Martial Arts Tournament? Seriously, that creeps me out a bit.
To fill in the gaps in BB's crew
EDIT: And to give Hawkeye a reason to fight Zoro in an arc.
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@AD-HD:
I think that BB would be a wonderful final villain. You know that he is really bad guy, but in same time really funny too. Nice powers, he looks damn cool and killed Ace. At least I hope so, Ace was really annoying.
I sure as hell liked Ace's personality more then BB's. BB is what I find an annoying character.
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I sure as hell liked Ace's personality more then BB's. BB is what I find an annoying character.
And Ace is what I find annoying pretty boy character.
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@AD-HD:
And Ace is what I find annoying pretty boy character.
I don't really think of Ace as a good looking character. I am not person who find freckles a good characteristic. I guess I like the way he tries to protect Luffy no matter what.
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We don't know if Ace is dead… The storyline makes us believe its so though.
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When did they ever say Laftitte was a navigator?
Vol.46, the contents.
Teach is Oda
s favorite real pirate, and well, everybody has their own opinions, but I
m 99,9% sure that BB`s gonna be the final villian. Why? He pwnz Shanks, is a D, has the strongest DF and hell <3Also, how does BB need a shipwright in his crew if they sail ON A FRIGGIN LOG/RAFT? XP
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@Al!naJames:
Vol.46, the contents.
Teach is Oda
s favorite real pirate, and well, everybody has their own opinions, but I
m 99,9% sure that BB`s gonna be the final villian. Why? He pwnz Shanks, is a D, has the strongest DF and hell <3Also, how does BB need a shipwright in his crew if they sail ON A FRIGGIN LOG/RAFT? XP
obviously he needs one as the logcraft is crappy as hell! =P
and he needs a quartermaster. I mean seriously where the hell does he keep his booty on that lograft?
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Blackbeard would work great as a final villain because the fucker isn't evil. Malicious, sure, but he's just a sinister version of Luffy. The guy just ain't afraid to kill anybody that gets in his way.
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BB isn't evil he is just rougher version of Luffy.
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I better way of saying it would be to say Luffy and Teach are two different ideals of a pirate. Teach is the ruthless, tough and fierce pirate and Luffy the light-hearted, adventure seeking and charismic pirate. :/
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No, I
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I better way of saying it would be to say Luffy and Teach are two different ideals of a pirate. Teach is the ruthless, tough and fierce pirate and Luffy the light-hearted, adventure seeking and charismic pirate. :/
That is one way of seeing it. I'm agreeing with gohn on the "Sinister version of Luffy" view though.
I find Crocodile to be a better fit in your analogy. Or maybe Arlong.
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I better way of saying it would be to say Luffy and Teach are two different ideals of a pirate. Teach is the ruthless, tough and fierce pirate and Luffy the light-hearted, adventure seeking and charismic pirate. :/
BB is an adventure seeking charismatic opirate…...
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Blackbeard is a real pirate doing real Pirae things unlike Luffy.
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Blackbeard is a real pirate doing real Pirae things unlike Luffy.
Really? All I've seen him do is travel around and pick fights, that's basically what Luffy does :happy:
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@Kitsune::
Really? All I've seen him do is travel around and pick fights, that's basically what Luffy does :happy:
Blackbeard ran scaked Drum Island, Killed a Captian of the Whitebeard pirate crew, Ran sacked Banna Island, then beat the 2nd captain of the Whitebeard pirates Ace, & is now a Shichibukai a legal Pirate.
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Blackbeard ran scaked Drum Island, Killed a Captian of the Whitebeard pirate crew, Ran sacked Banna Island, then beat the 2nd captain of the Whitebeard pirates Ace, & is now a Shichibukai a legal Pirate.
I agree. BB is the most "piratey" of the OP series. Luffy is no where near him.
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Blackbeard ran scaked Drum Island, Killed a Captian of the Whitebeard pirate crew, Ran sacked Banna Island, then beat the 2nd captain of the Whitebeard pirates Ace, & is now a Shichibukai a legal Pirate.
Did he "ransack" Drum Island? I just forget.
but he never really "Ransacked" Bannaro Island did he? as far as we can tell at least. (Or as far as I can remember.
Yeah, that's mostly travelling and fighting. He overthrew a corrupt government in the process, sounds like an evil Luffy to me. -
@Kitsune::
Did he "ransack" Drum Island? I just forget.
but he never really "Ransacked" Bannaro Island did he? as far as we can tell at least. (Or as far as I can remember.
Yeah, that's mostly travelling and fighting. He overthrew a corrupt government in the process, sounds like an evil Luffy to me.Well if you look back at chapter 434 the last page, you will see alot of pepole on the ground & swords on the ground, with some debris, look like a fight took place.
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Well if you look back at chapter 434 the last page, you will see alot of pepole on the ground & swords on the ground, with some debris, look like a fight took place.
Well that doesn't mean he took anything, he did A LOT of fighting in Mock Town but never any ransacking…..but I digress, I told you I wasn't certain. And still, he's done mostly fighting. He's actually done less pirating than most because he's been too busy making a name for himself in an attempt to become a shcikibukai (And whatever his true goal may be)
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@Kitsune::
Well that doesn't mean he took anything, he did A LOT of fighting in Mock Town but never any ransacking…..but I digress, I told you I wasn't certain. And still, he's done mostly fighting. He's actually done less pirating than most because he's been too busy making a name for himself in an attempt to become a shcikibukai (And whatever his true goal may be)
Im talking about Bannaro Island. We can all say that Blackbeard ran scaked that place also.
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Im talking about Bannaro Island. We can all say that Blackbeard ran scaked that place also.
I KNOW, I used Mock Town as an EXAMPLE.
Do we have definite PROOF that he ransacked ANY TOWN?
(See I can use bolded text too ^^)
He's been going around fighting and overthrowing in order to make a name for himself, that's not very piratey to me and not unlike Luffy at all. Even thier personalities are similar. -
If BB didn't take anything than why was Burgess carrying around a big bag?
And in case you forgotten the people of Drum didn't appreciate what BB did in Drum.
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@Kitsune::
I KNOW, I used Mock Town as an EXAMPLE.
Do we have definite PROOF that he ransacked ANY TOWN?(See I can use bolded text too ^^)It was stated that Blackbeard ransacked Drum Island, as for Bannaro Island, Blackbeard mostly ransacked that place also going by the proof in the picture's…
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume45.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=16047
Look at the swords in the ground & you also see the villagers on the ground.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume45.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=16228
You see how beaten up this place is?
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume46.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14868
If Blackbeard didn't ransack Bannaro Island then why did the villagers comment on Blackbeards DF powers?
> He's been going around fighting and overthrowing in order to make a name for himself, that's not very piratey to me and not unlike Luffy at all. Even thier personalities are similar.
Blackbeard's plan was to beat a very well known pirate to make a name for himself. In which he did, he was just being a Pirate by ranscaking islands.
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@iou9ouio:
If BB didn't take anything than why was Burgess carrying around a big bag?
Like I said, I DON'T REMEMBER FOR CERTAIN, thank you for the reminder but you could've stated it instead of trying to make me look stupid…...:getlost: -
It was stated that Blackbeard ransacked Drum Island, as for Bannaro Island, Blackbeard mostly ransacked that place also going by the proof in the picture's…
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume45.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=16047
Look at the swords in the ground & you also see the villagers on the ground.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume45.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=16228
You see how beaten up this place is?
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume46.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=14868
If Blackbeard didn't ransack Bannaro Island then why did the villagers comment on Blackbeards DF powers?
Blackbeard's plan was to beat a very well known pirate to make a name for himself. In which he did, he was just being a Pirate by ranscaking islands.
All I was saying, that you seem to have missed, was that just because he beat up/killed a lot of people doesn't mean he ransacked them. He could've just destroyed the town to make people fear him and moved on quickly to another in a hurry to get known without bothering with the trivial details….BUT, I will concede on the point that he DID ransack Banaro Island, due to the large sack being carried by Jesus Burgess.
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Luffy doesn't attack civillains. Teach on the other hand does.
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@iou9ouio:
Luffy doesn't attack civillains. Teach on the other hand does.
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That's why BB is an EVIL version of Luffy....He is SIMILAR, but more BRUTAL... -
Blackbeard is just a real pirate doing pirate things & Luffy is just a good guy saying he is a pirate but not doing pirate things, that is the way I see it.
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agreed. BBs a G! lol luffys just a kid chasing a dream and following his own way.
blackbeards not even a bad person actually. the whole speech to luffy about a pirates dreams was good.
he doesnt mess with ppl that arent in his way but then again has no problem killing anybody whos in the way of his path/plan.
id say BBs on the neutral side…he wants to be PK he doesnt want world domination or anything. -
was just thinking… Luffy is a Rudderman and so physical attack do very little damage to him right...
but the most scary physical attack tat Luffy took was the Rokuougan and it actually took Luffy down, even though Luffy have such a high natural tolerant for physical attack..Now imagine BlackBeard sucking in Lucci and Lucci prepares a Rokuougan.. Interesting right..
I can only speculate.. But I am guessing BlackBeard will collapse.. -
I ever believed that Blackbeard is just a Yonkou inside the Shichibukai.
When we watch Whitebeard and Shanks we see that they follow the definition of pirate, Blackbeard is the same case, a classic pirate inside an organization of "pirates" that are completely outside the definition of pirate.
Why he needs to be a Shichibukai?
I believe that Moria will be the last of the Shichibukai that we see fightning Luffy, the others will be killed one by one by Blackbeard with the exception of Mihawk and the World Government won´t do anything.
In other words, he wants to kill all them to have the entire power with the support of the WG, he will be like a fascist leader and will destroy all his opponents and pursue with terror all the pirates with WG support that will become his crew with the exception of the people that will escape.
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I ever believed that Blackbeard is just a Yonkou inside the Shichibukai.
When we watch Whitebeard and Shanks we see that they follow the definition of pirate, Blackbeard is the same case, a classic pirate inside an organization of "pirates" that are completely outside the definition of pirate.
Why he needs to be a Shichibukai?
I believe that Moria will be the last of the Shichibukai that we see fightning Luffy, the others will be killed one by one by Blackbeard with the exception of Mihawk and the World Government won´t do anything.
In other words, he wants to kill all them to have the entire power with the support of the WG, he will be like a fascist leader and will destroy all his opponents and pursue with terror all the pirates with WG support that will become his crew with the exception of the people that will escape.
To not be bothered by Marines chaseing him while he is chaseing/fighting the emperors?
What do you mean "kill all of them to have the entire power"? Is he Cell or something? assimilateing the other shichibukai as he kills them?
How would killing the other shichibukai give him more power? That would just weaken the shichibukai as a world power and the Gurosei doesn't want that. -
I ever believed that Blackbeard is just a Yonkou inside the Shichibukai.
When we watch Whitebeard and Shanks we see that they follow the definition of pirate, Blackbeard is the same case, a classic pirate inside an organization of "pirates" that are completely outside the definition of pirate.
Why he needs to be a Shichibukai?
I believe that Moria will be the last of the Shichibukai that we see fightning Luffy, the others will be killed one by one by Blackbeard with the exception of Mihawk and the World Government won´t do anything.
In other words, he wants to kill all them to have the entire power with the support of the WG, he will be like a fascist leader and will destroy all his opponents and pursue with terror all the pirates with WG support that will become his crew with the exception of the people that will escape.
He's there to gather information about Raftel, not killing random shichibukai's most probably, but who knows.
@iou9ouio:
Luffy doesn't attack civillains. Teach on the other hand does.
He 'said' himself that he doesn't pick up on meaningless battles, so why would he just kill civilians, no logic.
Now imagine BlackBeard sucking in Lucci and Lucci prepares a Rokuougan.. Interesting right..
I can only speculate.. But I am guessing BlackBeard will collapse..Lucci is physically one of the stronger. But they're on different lvl. Blackbeard is over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!1!!eleven!! so you can't beat that.
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Lol at Lucci being one of the strongest physically.
After seeing what Garp and Burgess have done who I should point out probably aren't in the top ten list strength wise I seriously doubt Lucci is anywhere near the top.
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Actually.. I would disagree at that.
"The strongest in CP9 history… Rob Lucci!"
"Who would have thought that Rob Lucci would be beaten?"
Heck, even Vice admirals have things to say about him.
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Well, it's not like Lucci was a push-over. I mean, he was dodging Buster Call attacks, he had massive stamina, and could stand up to Luffy's newest and strongest moves, not to mention he had Bruce Lee's One Inch Fist.
That, and he's 400 times stronger than the average soldier.
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Actually.. I would disagree at that.
I would have to disagree on that, strongest physically so far seen is Grap, Lucci is not even close.
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I dunno, Lucci could have Garp-like strength, but maybe Lucci just doesn't train his muscles for heavy lifting, just speed and fighting strength. Really, the only fighting we've seen Lucci do is speed, endurance, rankyaku, which is leg-strength, and shiganing, which I don't know if that works on your fist strength or whatever. As for the ability to throw a cannonball, I guess he could, but we've never seen him do something similar to that.
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i dunno, Luffy experienced Lucci strength before and he still fought him without fear. even the name of Garp scares Luffy, and when they met Luffy didn't even put up a fight… Garp strength must be beyond superhuman.
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Yeah, the guy who matched Luffy in physical combat is most certainly not one of the stronger guys in the series. Come on, just because Lucci's weaker than a guy like Garp, who's a million years old and a Monkey D., doesn't mean he's still not one of the physically strongest characters.
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I dunno, Lucci could have Garp-like strength, but maybe Lucci just doesn't train his muscles for heavy lifting, just speed and fighting strength. Really, the only fighting we've seen Lucci do is speed, endurance, rankyaku, which is leg-strength, and shiganing, which I don't know if that works on your fist strength or whatever. As for the ability to throw a cannonball, I guess he could, but we've never seen him do something similar to that.
Luffy beat Lucci…......Luffy didn't want anything to do with Grap in a fight.
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Well, Lucci was just some douche who hurt Robin and stole her, whereas Garp is his grandpa who made him feel dirty when he was little.
Obviously, he was more intimidated by his grandpa.
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Are you trying to say Luffy was just intimidated by Grap becasue grap treated him bad when traing him to become a strong Marin? Not because grap would beat the snot out luffy?
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Well, you were saying that Garp is stronger than Lucci because Luffy didn't want to fight Garp, and I was explaining why that theory doesn't totally hold water.
And in terms of ranking, the strongest man in the CP9, the top government assassination squad in the world, is being compared to a Vice-Admiral in the Navy, who is below two other levels of power in the Navy, and there are lots of Vice-Admirals, by the looks of it.
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@Impel:
Well, you were saying that Garp is stronger than Lucci because Luffy didn't want to fight Garp, and I was explaining why that theory doesn't totally hold water.
Is that why Luffy told his Crew not to attack Grap? Luffy said not to attack him because he will kill them.
And in terms of ranking, the strongest man in the CP9, the top government assassination squad in the world, is being compared to a Vice-Admiral in the Navy, who is below two other levels of power in the Navy, and there are lots of Vice-Admirals, by the looks of it.
CP9 is not a World Power, Grap is apart of the MHQ which is a World Power, Garp was the guy who cornered the Pirate king, & is respected by Whitebeard (Strongest Man In The World) the only person to have tied the Pirate King.
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CP9 is not a world power, I know. Neither is the WG, but if you say they aren't powerful, then you've been taking way stronger tabs than me.
And Luffy also told Usopp not to fight Lucci because he'd kill him. I'm not saying that Garp's stronger than Lucci or that Lucci is stronger than Garp, I dunno about any of that. I'm just pointing out flaws in your reasoning.
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I will say that Garp is stronger than Lucci because Garp is the one that captured Gol D. Roger.
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@Impel:
CP9 is not a world power, I know. Neither is the WG, but if you say they aren't powerful, then you've been taking way stronger tabs than me.
Then don't compare them to the MHQ a World Power
And Luffy also told Usopp not to fight Lucci because he'd kill him. I'm not saying that Garp's stronger than Lucci or that Lucci is stronger than Garp, I dunno about any of that. I'm just pointing out flaws in your reasoning.
Grap is above Lucci, as I pointed out in my last post, Luffy was fighting Lucci at the time when he told Ussop not to fight Lucci because he will kill him, Luffy didn't want a fight with Grap period, but also Told his Crew (not Ussop) not to fight Grap because he would kill them. Their is a BIG difference. I should be pointing out the flaws in your Avatar & your reasoning.