Is there a Weekly Jump cover revealed yet? Usually a OP related cover comes with a color spread. And usually, they look very, very sexy.
Chapter 454 "Humming" Discussion
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^^It'll appear here when Shueisha update later on today. Though the cover will probably feature all the main Jump characters for their respective series, as is the fashion with double issues.
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Zoro and Nami are no where in sight in the colorspread. I know Oda excludes character a lot but it always bothers me when he has that many of them in it but cut out 1 or 2 of em.
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well the last one was Zoro Nami and Luffy
and the Captain always has to be present.
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I have a theory that Brooke will have a flashback, and that suprisingly Brooke and Cindry are related somehow.
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I hate to break it to ya, but there are some reasons. One, there seems to be humans in Thriller Bark, so Brooke wouldn't be alone. Maybe these guys will make Thiller Bark into their city when Luffy's done with Moria.
Possibily, but its a stretch. Considering the only a few bodies on the Island were in support of the SH's anyways starting a town would be hard.
Two, there's Cindry. I think she has more of a part in the story coming. While we can draw conclusions, a room filled with pictures needs some explaining. Even if we say "Hogback's obsessed," then that raises questions of it's own!
The Sad part about this is that Cindry IS a Zombie. This means that if Moria is defeated (which is very certain after Zoro and Sanji) Cindry could just up and die (re-die).:sad:
If anything if their is a thing between the two I could see Brook joining the SH for a dream of getting her back to life.
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Onemoment: im not really mad at robin for beeing a woman, im mad at her for still beeing a liability even after CP9 saga because she refuses to go all out and hold back all the time. if the spiders had covered her eyes it would have been so much better but right now she can kick those spidermice butt imo.
I seriously think you are underestimating the spider mice. Those little guys pwned zoro, sanji, luffy and franky as well as robin. Sure, robin could beat them up with her extra limbs, but that doesn't get her free from the web which was probably her first priority at that moment.
When it comes down to it, the arachnirodents are more powerful than the general zombies. The GZ's couldn't capture robin and franky. The spider mice could.
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I seriously think you are underestimating the spider mice. Those little guys pwned zoro, sanji, luffy and franky as well as robin. Sure, robin could beat them up with her extra limbs, but that doesn't get her free from the web which was probably her first priority at that moment.
When it comes down to it, the arachnirodents are more powerful than the general zombies. The GZ's couldn't capture robin and franky. The spider mice could.
Actually, I think it's more like they are experts in surprise and capture. They are still pretty weak.
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Finally! We're going to get some answers to this island!
And woot! Brook's awesome with a sword! Either he joins or I'm going to be really let down by the end of this arc. =P
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Actually I think it's not so clear whether Brooke is a swordsman like Zoro. See, Brooke actually cut the spider from the top, right?
I don't remember any attack of Zoro going from on top with such a small cut. With the Sea Trains and such he has gone all the way, and otherwise he's going through the sides or button.
Brooke might have a totally different style here if that's his welcome attack.Err, I gotta go now, so I can't explain too much, just wanted to point that out.
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Quick question about the colorspread. The Ox, Ram, Rat, Dog, Snake, Tiger, Boar, Rabbit, Cock, and Monkey are all featured in the colorspread; where are the Dragon and Horse?
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Actually, I think it's more like they are experts in surprise and capture. They are still pretty weak.
I agree completely.
But the most common definition of "power" on this board tends to be "who can take out who." The spider mice took out zoro and sanji, so by that (admittedly quite limited) definition, the spider mice as a group are stronger than kaku or jabura.
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Despite all the awesome and hilarity, the chapter worries me. It's only been, oh, maybe a dozen chapters into this saga and we're already seeing Brooke at his best. It all seems suspiciously fast to me for new a crew member to be esablished. I mean, Franky took ages to show up, show us who and what he was, then warm up to the crew.
Everyone else had their time to show up, make us wonder about them, then surprise us with their skillz. I truly do want Brooke to join up with the gang, but he might come off as shallower than the rest if they rush him in. Unless of course this zombie island arc is quite long, which most people seem to doubt after the extra long Enias Lobby arc.
…somebody prove me wrong?
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Well, let's see here. First arc, Morgan, 3 Chapters. Zoro Joins. Then next arc Buggy, which is 6-7 chapters long, Nami joins. Usopp joins next arc. Followed by Sanji. What's the problem with Brooke? (Other than he's a skeleton…) Just for the record though, I haven't seen enough of him to decide if I want him to be the crew member, but I am starting to like him.
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Someone explain to me why everyone thinks that upon Moria's defeat, the zombies will fall apart? He's not some African Shaman with ACTUAL zombies under his power, these are bodies patched up by Hogback and then injected with a a shadow by Moria. He's not consciously controlling every Zombie in Thriller Bark at once, that would be ridiculous. His power has been used, and now they're alive again. Now, IF the shadows are returned to whoever they were stolen from, that's one thing. THOSE zombies would fall apart because there's nothing to animate them. But there's nine-hundred zombies last time I checked on the ship, so unless 900 people show up and claim their shadows back, there will be some zombies left after this escapade.
Brooke being revealed as a swordsman leads for a thought of how he'll get his shadow back. I have a conjecture:
1. Brooke confronts Ryuuma. They fight.
2. Brooke attempts to cut his shadow from Ryuuma using some ultimate technique.
3. Zoro watches said technique, does Iitoryu: Kagekiri, cuts shadow from Ryuuma's body, goes back to Brooke.
4. Zoro claims Ryuuma's sword AND learns how to cut intangible objects. Double Jackpot.
5. Brooke concedes that Zoro is a better swordsman and offers to become his disciple.
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Nami's transvestitism is hilarious and is probably going to be abused by 4chan.
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@Fire Fist:
5. Brooke concedes that Zoro is a better swordsman and offers to become his disciple.
Haha, sure.
Although with your earlier point, I guess that maybe the zombies might not die when the shadows return - they might just become shadowless themselves, forced to stay out of sunlight. You seem to assume that the original owners of each shadow will have to be nearby, though. I just thought they'd magically return…
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As stupid as it sounds, I hope Brook just beat the spider monkey severely and extremely fast with his cane.
Because I now find swords boring and lame.
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@Fire Fist:
Someone explain to me why everyone thinks that upon Moria's defeat, the zombies will fall apart? He's not some African Shaman with ACTUAL zombies under his power, these are bodies patched up by Hogback and then injected with a a shadow by Moria. He's not consciously controlling every Zombie in Thriller Bark at once, that would be ridiculous. His power has been used, and now they're alive again. Now, IF the shadows are returned to whoever they were stolen from, that's one thing. THOSE zombies would fall apart because there's nothing to animate them. But there's nine-hundred zombies last time I checked on the ship, so unless 900 people show up and claim their shadows back, there will be some zombies left after this escapade.
The main argument for automatic return of shadows to those afflicted is for the necessary plot element. If shadows are not returned automatically, then Moria will have to individually give each person their shadow back after being defeated. Why would he agree to do this? How would luffy keep him in check while he does do it? An all at once zombie wipe out would also avoid the guilt aspect of killing each individual zombie. Do we really need to see those cute little squirrel zombies begging for their life just so some kid can see the sun again?
Brooke being revealed as a swordsman leads for a thought of how he'll get his shadow back. I have a conjecture:
1. Brooke confronts Ryuuma. They fight.
2. Brooke attempts to cut his shadow from Ryuuma using some ultimate technique.
3. Zoro watches said technique, does Iitoryu: Kagekiri, cuts shadow from Ryuuma's body, goes back to Brooke.
4. Zoro claims Ryuuma's sword AND learns how to cut intangible objects. Double Jackpot.
5. Brooke concedes that Zoro is a better swordsman and offers to become his disciple.
Sorry, I really can't see this happening. If one could simply cut a shadow out of a zombie then they would have no reason to fight Moria. They could simply cut a couple of zombies and leave the island. It'd be more than a little anticlimactic.
Also, why would brooke want to be anyone's disciple? He seems much more interested in spending time peeping on pretty ladies than improving his sword form.
Then again, at this point in the game, we're just piling speculation on speculation. So who knows what the end explanation for all of this will be.
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Brook sings. I thnk we've found our musician… Only the sword thing suggests otherwise. prays
Yeah, I'm jumping to conclusions, I haven't felt like this much of a fanboy in a long time.
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@Battle:
^^It'll appear here when Shueisha update later on today. Though the cover will probably feature all the main Jump characters for their respective series, as is the fashion with double issues.
Noice! .
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Having crewmates join so fast is no big deal. In the beginning, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji joined one arc after another at fast rate.
Furthermore, if Luffy wants to have a complete crew, then he should get it done fast. Think of it, if he gets another new crewmate just before the final arc of the series, wouldn't that crewmate get little screen time? If you want the new crewmate to have more screen time, then it is better that he/she join as early as possible.
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Brook sings. I thnk we've found our musician… Only the sword thing suggests otherwise. prays
Heck, even then the sword thing seems to be sound related. His style is named Hummer/Crooner something-or-other, at least.
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This may sound strange, but perhaps the song he sang before he sheathed his sword had something to do with Tararan getting hit? Maybe the soundwaves from his song spread out into the air, and when he sheathed his sword, the soundwaves are somehow disrupted and became blades and cut down the opponent. I know, it probably doesn't make sense, but anything can happen in fictions.
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This was a great chapter, with the confirmation that the shadows are transferred into the zombies, who's excited for the possible crossover fights?
Someone mentioned that the Strawhats will fight there zombie counterparts(Zorro vs Jigorou, Sanji vs. Dogpen, etc.) but I think it would be cooler to mix and match(after all if they are equal in strength the fight would not end) so how about this:
Zoro vs Luffy's zombie: Because if they make the zombie out of rubber(in order to use luffy's techniques) luffy's and sanji's blows would do nothing, and they have shown that cutting/piercing attacks is luffy's weakness
Sanji vs Jigorou: Luffy wouldn't because he's weak against cutting attacks(not that Sanji can't be cut) so it would make more sense to have Sanji fight Jigorou and leave…
Luffy vs Sanji's zombie(Dogpen as of right now but he said he needed a stronger body): Luffy's resistance to physical blows
This is just of course a theory, I just think Oda might go this way to fuel the fire for the "Who's stronger" arguments about the strawhats. Also of course other strawhats could fill in these places(Nami, or Robin could fill in against Dogpen since he refuses to fight back) or if more of them get there shadows transferred there could be cooler match ups, but i think this would at least be better then mirror fights.
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Oh man, this chapter was hilarious. I can honestly say, I haven't really laughed all that much while reading One Piece, but damn… This made me laugh for about two minutes straight.
This chapter was just awesome, not only because of Nami's stunning confession, but because Brooke uses a sword-cane (thus, I have something to cling onto for him not joining). But alas, it's most likely false hope.
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This may sound strange, but perhaps the song he sang before he sheathed his sword had something to do with Tararan getting hit? Maybe the soundwaves from his song spread out into the air, and when he sheathed his sword, the soundwaves are somehow disrupted and became blades and cut down the opponent. I know, it probably doesn't make sense, but anything can happen in fictions.
This made me think…
And then I realized:
Brooke's song has ten lines.
You, sir, are a genius.
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@Mullet_Power:
This was a great chapter, with the confirmation that the shadows are transferred into the zombies, who's excited for the possible crossover fights?
That's not really been confirmed. In fact, the word "shadow" isn't even mentioned in the entire script.
What has been confirmed is that capturing someone allows for the "debut" of a zombie that shares personality traits, techniques, and skills with whoever was captured.
Evidence has been built up showing that after this process, the captured person will no longer have a shadow but any theory trying to explain the exact mechanism of this is pure speculation at this point.
Also, one other thing you should remember in regards to potential "cross over fights," as you put it, is that while skills and techniques transfer to the zombie, physical strength does not. This was shown when the dog penguin complained about the weakness of his penguin body last week.
So, there is no guarantee that ryuma vs brooke or zoro vs jigorou will end up as a tie. Raw physical strength matters a lot in regards to zoro's techniques and brooke should be considerably faster than ryuma thanks to his lighter body. So, the potential differences in raw physical stats between the mugiwara and the zombies using their techniques are great enough to make hummer vs hummer or three sword vs three sword fights interesting.
@FFA: but my understanding is that brooke's attack is the humming 3 cho arrow notch strike. So the number ten shouldn't be all that relevant just because 3 cho~ 10 feet.
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I think the personalities may be transferred or injected into the zombies.
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That's not really been confirmed. In fact, the word "shadow" isn't even mentioned in the entire script.
What has been confirmed is that capturing someone allows for the "debut" of a zombie that shares personality traits, techniques, and skills with whoever was captured.
Evidence has been built up showing that after this process, the captured person will no longer have a shadow but any theory trying to explain the exact mechanism of this is pure speculation at this point.
Also, one other thing you should remember in regards to potential "cross over fights," as you put it, is that while skills and techniques transfer to the zombie, physical strength does not. This was shown when the dog penguin complained about the weakness of his penguin body last week.
So, there is no guarantee that ryuma vs brooke or zoro vs jigorou will end up as a tie. Raw physical strength matters a lot in regards to zoro's techniques and brooke should be considerably faster than ryuma thanks to his lighter body. So, the potential differences in raw physical stats between the mugiwara and the zombies using their techniques are great enough to make hummer vs hummer or three sword vs three sword fights interesting.
@FFA: but my understanding is that brooke's attack is the humming 3 cho arrow notch strike. So the number ten shouldn't be all that relevant just because 3 cho~ 10 feet.
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Look at the song. It's three chords long.
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@_Meh_:
Quick question about the colorspread. The Ox, Ram, Rat, Dog, Snake, Tiger, Boar, Rabbit, Cock, and Monkey are all featured in the colorspread; where are the Dragon and Horse?
Well, Luffy was a Dragon in the "Monster Time" omake and Franky's got a centaur form
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@Fire Fist:
This made me think…
And then I realized:
Brooke's song has ten lines.
You, sir, are a genius.
:wassat: ?
16 Brooke will join. Disprove me!
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Swords are pretty common in the world of pirates, as we see with some of the top pirates (whitebeards, shanks) ,they use at least some type of blade.
A sword being Brooke's main weapon, doesnt directly affect Zoro. Zoro may want to test him out but that is about it.
This one type of weapon can only be used by one person in the crew mentality is silly to me. Most pirates use swords, knives and guns. I think Brooke would be unique enough to not clash with Zoro's presence.
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don't panic,in the end of the arc zoro will be proven stronger
i think brooke is another character like franky to fill the power gap from luffy-sanji-zorro team with nami-usopp-chopper team
brooke like franky and robin will be in the middle
actually if brooke proved a better swordsman than zoro that would bring a little more excitement!! not that he won't be surpassed but whatever!
GO ODA!!!!
EDIT: like franky seemed stronger than luffy in W7 and spiced things up this way zoro in the end will be proven stronger too! zoro might even be in trouble against ryouma and then brooke will apear and defeat him,it is interesting that brook is a SM!!!!
but from the looks of jigorouh vs ryouma i have to say ryuma looks stronger! dunno if this symbolizes something for brooke and zoro cuz dogpen was said to have a weak body,anyway zoro will become the no1 SM so no need to panic
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NOW I get chapter 453's title.
It's funny.
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:wassat: ?
16 Brooke will join. Disprove me!
No no no, I was giving you a compliment about the "using sound waves to fight" thing. Look at the song Brooke sang in Japanese. It's 3 chords totalling 10 lines. And the name of his move roughly translates to "Humming Ten-line Arrow-Notch Strike". So, it fits perfectly.
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Well Brooke's definitely not the new nakama. can't see us getting another swordsman. especially such another renowned one.
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@Taz:
Also, Brooke can theoretically fight while running on water. He'll be our very own ass-kicking, panty-sniffing zombie Jesus.
imagine, he runs on water, cut an enemy´s ship, put back the sword in the cane and run away while the ship is pwned
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Bogia: Why wouldnt the spidermice be a top priority after Robin was captured? she needs to remove them to even have a chance at freeing herself. and as long as they are still there to fight Franky must watch out for them when he is fighting.
I still see her as a liability since even though she is fairly quick at points in assesing situations (when the bridge broke and when the spidermonkey started to spinn web from his hands) she can be utterly slow at other points (the spidermice)
She just has to pull off the spider mices leggs nothing more! I'm not saying that the mice is weak as a group but Robin should still be interested in and able to beating the crap out of the ones that caught her.
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lol at Dub Piece reference in the actual One Piece manga. FTW.
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Having just read the thread, i noticed a lot of people are saying that having two swordsman don't matter. in that regard yes. however Brooke's not just any swordsman. he's a legendary swordsman and that's why i doubt he'll join.
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Wait, wait, wait. Ryuuma is the legendary swordsman. Brook's just a regular swordsman, and because his fighting style fit Ryuuma, he got Brook's shadow. It wasn't Brook who killed a dragon, it was the original Ryuuma.
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I'm not sure he's legendary, I just think he's known and feared by the crew of Thriller Bark.
Much like how Franky was a gang-boss of Water-7 - it's a local thing.
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Aeque: The body of Ryuuma is ledgendary.
Hogback tells us what he has done and where he comes from and he says that Ryuumas flesh is ledgendary. its all in the 450th chapter.Nobody: well since we just got the information that the humming notch arrow strike is originally Brooks skill we dont know if Ryuuma still has any of Ryuumas old ledgendary skills. after all the souls in one piece leave to the underworld when they die and Ryuuma died a long time ago, surely his soul has passed on and dissapeared already. That is unless his soul somehow stayed in the world of the living or got called back somehow like brooks, however we do not have any information about this.
(besides does Ryuuma use any named skills in the oneshot? maybe he doesnt have any named technics as part of his fighting style? wasnt the fashion back then when he lived to name his attacks?)
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I know Ryuma's corpse is legendary - sabertoothe implied that Brook was.
And I don't think the Ryuma in Monsters named his attacks - he only used like four or five slices in the story as far as I recall.
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Ah ok.. well obviously he isnt that well known on TB since the spidermonkey has no idea who he is.
who was it more then absolom and hogback who knew who he was?
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Gorlom:
You're right, but now we have to assume that the zombies only know the abilities of the shadows attached to them because neither the penguin, Jigoro or Ryuuma used other moves than those of their shadows.And no, Oda started the attack-naming thing in Romance Dawn. Wanted, Monsters and Ikki Yakko don't have named attacks (They barely have attacks at all - the stories all end with the hero finishing the bad guy with a deadly strike).
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Can someone say what's wrong with having two members who have similar fighting skills?
Luffy and Chopper both use punches and Usopp and Franky both use long range attacks, but there differences in there. Luffy can stretch while Chopper cannot. Franky not only shoots but also punch unlike Usopp.
Brooke has only one sword and Zoro has three.
Why are people still unconvinced?
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Ah ok.. well obviously he isnt that well known on TB since the spidermonkey has no idea who he is.
who was it more then absolom and hogback who knew who he was?
Ah, good point - I'm guessing it'd just be the main crew of the still-living, and some of the more main zombies, like Oinkchuck or Hildon. But I guess we'll see - it could all be to do with some flashback involving only some of the bad guys. (Though come to think of it, only Hogback and Moria seem old enough to have ever known Brook when he was alive… how long has he been dead, anyway? Now I'm just rambling...)
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Hum, Brook and his whole pirate crew were killed 10 years ago… could it be by MiHawk ?