Great chapter. Though Brook using a sword is kinda repetitive, it's a different style. Also, for some reason, I think the ability doesn't only apply to swords, but to anything else he can use. I don't know, just a hunch.
Chapter 454 "Humming" Discussion
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While I'm not knowledgeable of Japanese, couldn't "arrow notch" refer to bow strings somehow?
Vaguely. An arrow notch is the 'feathery' end of an arrow that's generally held when preparing to fire the arrow. It could be an indirect reference, but it's a bit too soon to tell.
Found out about the warrior reference, as well. Apparently, arrow notches were used in feudal literature as a metaphor for, or way of referencing to, samurai. This is likely because samurai were primarily mounted archers, as opposed to the katana-wielding stereotype that's commonly presented in modern media.
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well the only single panel that shows the 'blade' is right there
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d114/taleran/45416.jpg
and theres no way to tell right now
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well, it's either Zoro will clash with Brooke after this is all over, OR Brooke teaches him a technique that once mastered, even Mihawk can't block it.
but will Zoro be willing to learn from others rather than invent his own technique?
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brookes sword looks like a rapier type, the blade is all thats needed to tell what kind of sword it is
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Well, I gues this proves Brooke won't join after all. But, I am liking Kljs's theory of Brooke teaching Zoro a new technique. After all, even the best of swordmens need to LEARN techniques once in a whil.
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well, it's either Zoro will clash with Brooke after this is all over, OR Brooke teaches him a technique that once mastered, even Mihawk can't block it.
but will Zoro be willing to learn from others rather than invent his own technique?
If Zoro starts taking lessons from other people I hope he gets killed one chapter after it happens.
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Franky's oversized nunchucks against Taleran was something I really needed to see. Nami tricking Lola into thinking she's a transvestive, that was just ripe. And Brooke's big entrance was done so well.
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brookes sword looks like a rapier type, the blade is all thats needed to tell what kind of sword it is
Rapiers are not designed to cut.
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Looking at those frames again it seems that Brook is actually resheathing his sword in order to attack. In the last three frames before the big picture Brook has his cane with hook in one hand and maybe his sheath in the other.
His fighting style could have something to do with the opposite of drawing his sword to attack. Come to think of it Nobuhiro Watsuki mangaka of Rurouni Kenshin is Oda's senpai. That type of attack was used at least once by Kenshin in his manga.
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since when is it Nami's role to trick people with lies instead of Usopp ??
Who the hell has Usopp tricked with his cockamamie lies?
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@Don:
Well, I gues this proves Brooke won't join after all.
Care to expand on this? Because what happened this chapter proves nothing.
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If Brooke really does use as fighting style involving soundwaves, I like him more than ever.
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Wow, Oda is truly the best, just when I though this ark was beginning to suck, he comes out and makes it great again, soooooooooo, I guess there was alot of clues that says Brooke was a swordmans or used a blade, from that Ryuma guy, but Brooke is truly great, and I hope hes our next namaka, I was starting to think Brooke went to the wrong island, lol
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Now Chopper thinks Nami's a tranny! Ahoy!
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O_O Wow, awesome chapter!
"I just mixed the iron nunchaku i brought with this stone column" :D
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! Looking at it more clearly now and reading this part of the translation,
Tallaran: Are you another comrade of the pirates!?
Franky: Hey!! Skeleton!!
Brook: … don't mind, don't mind... it is alright... since I am finishing this.
Franky: !?.....Brook: ... "Humming ten feet" ... (hanauta sanchô) [<- three chô are roughly ten feet / 3 meters]
Brook: "Arrow-notch Strike"!!! (yahazu giri)
sword's sfx: *CHINGMakes me more certain that Brookes fighting style involves resheathing his sword to make it hum an attack. Oda has Franky wondering why Brook is putting his sword back in it's sheath again. So that time Ryuma got those three might have been the same thing. The actual attack happens at the sheathing.
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I don't think Zoro and Brook are the same type of swordsman. Just a little detail: the manga usually refers to Zoro as Kengou (けんごう)
while Brooke is mentioned by Hildon as Kenkyou (けんきょう)
Kengou is a more generic term, mostly translating "great swordsman" or "master swordsman". (I've seen it once translated as "master fencer", but I don't think that's the case in One Piece). Now Kenkyou is a bit harder. I'm having a hard time finding the exact kanji for that one, anyone can help? (look closely on the manga). I did find a similar kanji, also read as "kyou", that refers to chivalrous or gallantly, one that fits better Brooke. So, that distinction is terminology certainly will be important later on. -
MY GOODNESS. I think that somewhere amidst the world's greatest color spread, Nami tricking Lola into thinking she's a dude, Franky using giant nunchuks, and Brooke just being awesome is my favorite chapter.
Also, to everyone saying that Brooke being a swordsman means that he'll have to fight Zoro at one point because of Zoro's dream to become the greatest swordsman, isn't that a little like saying Luffy will have to beat the crap out of his own crew because it's his dream to become the king of the pirates, AKA the greatest pirate, and they're all pirates?
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about brook also using a sword, I don't see why it's a problem.
- franky has guns in his arm, does he take ussop's place ? no
- it's not the same sword, it's obviously a rapier, wich mean a completly different style. (by the way, rapiers do cut, they are razor. the fencing sword that doesn't cut is the "fleuret" - I'm not sure of the english word, my dictionnary say "foil"-)
- Brook don't want to be the best swordman. I doubt he would care if Zoro is stronger than him.
- I didn't see any single one reason for him not to join so far : he is alone with no place to come back and his dream is to leave this place with nakamas
about the last 2 pages, I don't think he attack by shealting his sword. it's more : he strike too fast to be seen, and then shealt. the wound apeared on his ennemy just when he finished shealting just to look more baddass.
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- it's not the same sword, it's obviously a rapier, wich mean a completly different style. (by the way, rapiers do cut, they are razor. the fencing sword that doesn't cut is the "fleuret" - I'm not sure of the english word, my dictionnary say "foil"-)
Rapiers can cut [but only the flesh of a tender organism, and only if the style of rapier in question even have a cutting edge], but no rapier is designed for cutting purposes; it'd be completely pointless. If you're going to use a sword for cutting, it cannot be as thin as a rapier, or else it'll snap. Rapiers would be beyond ineffective at attempting to cut any opponent that has any form of armor.
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obviously brook is a highly skilled swordsman, but when he is THAT skilled than… WHO KILLED HIM? or more precisely: WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KILL HIM?
i think if brook will become a SH than that'll be a very important and story relevant issue ...and in oda-manner all the pieces fall together into one ;)If I had to take a guess, I'd probably say Gecko Moria. But, this is a good discussion to talk about while waiting the long two week break. Time to go into hibernation.
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That sword is definitely not a rapier. The guard is all wrong, and the blade looks too broad. My guess is that it's a straight-bladed iaido sword, not unlike Citan's katanas from Xenogears or Ukyo's katanas from Samurai Shodown. It's disguised as a cane, which just makes Brook even more of a pimp.
This shouldn't undermine Zoro's position as the master swordsman of the crew, should Brook join. Brook's powers clearly are sound-based and use his own cane-sword while Zoro's are more strength-based and center around his ability to use multiple swords.
But whatever. Some of you people probably already have certain ideas in your head that aren't going anywhere. Conclusion: Zoro's a beast, and Brook's a pimp. They're both swordsmen of sorts. That is all.
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I was really hoping brooks weapon was a gibson sg but I guess that was a little unrealistic.
Franky is the man.
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Brook really looked like a pimp in that chapter. And I agree that he can still join and not conflict with Zoro being the swordsman, but it does start to make it less likely. Then again, him showing up again right on time to save Robin and Franky also helps his case for joining the crew. Right now I'm leaning towards that he'll join, but there's still to much arc to say for sure.
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This Brooke is a swordsman thing is going to turn the forum into another "Ussop is Jesus," "Sanji vs Zoro," "Ussop is WEAK!!!/sux" thing isn't it..?
yea.. yea it is. See you in… 20'ish chapters when it dies down.
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Woah, well this sure came out early! :blink:
Still, great chapter no less! Brook has just now become alot more cooler!
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The attack didn't happen WHEN he sheathed his sword, it happened a while ago. That's what Ryuuma did: a delayed attacked.
It's just pimp to show him sheathing the blade when Talleran is getting pimped.
and yes, Brooke does indeed - pimp. He just needs some hoes. Perona and Cindry could be the start of that…
(edit) oh saying that Zoro needing to beat all swordsmen to be the best swordsman out there is not saying Luffy needs to beat up his crew to be Pirate King, being Pirate King is not neccesarily being the strongest pirate but rather being Captain of the Strongest Crew
or at least that's how I see it
Plus throughout OP the Captains have been the strongest. So the Strongest of the Strongest = Pirate King =?= Luffy?
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Franky with Nunchucks awesome
Brook kills Taleran the Spider monkey awesome!
i guess we have to wait till May 8 or 9 for new One Piece chapter -
4ghost: go back and read chapter 450 again. the attack happens without the victim noticeing and then the damage is delayed. nothing happens at the sheeting except Brook beeing cool.
only thing that bothers me in this chapter is Robins inability to act, im really starting to hope she will leave the strawhats or something since she has some sort of problem or mental block. (For those who dont get what im talking about: when she got trapped she went completly helpless instead of kicking the spidermices butts.)
Whats up with her power anyway? The only limitation we got is that she probably cant do that many more hands then 100. When she makes wings she can only keep "flying" for 5 seconds. and she must be able to see where she is going to spurt her body parts.
Now how exactly does her power work? She cant see luffys arm in the white white see when she opens her eyes all over it. Whenever she crosses her hands over her chest and uses lots of hands she closes her eyes BEFORE the arms pop up. (whats with the arm crossing anyway? is that to increase her concentration or what?)
Sorry about my ranting. but women that turns into helpless girlies in distress when they fall and break their high heels pisses me off for some reason.
Personally i like Usopps reaction to nami lying, its not any of the extreame like everyone does to his lies =)
And atleast we dont need to worry about Nami beeing a Okama for real since then Absolom would have been bothered when he saw her in the bath.Brook lost his shadow and Ryuuma got it. Ryuumas shadow is NOT in brook (this apeared a few too many times)
Moria: I doubt Moria (not you) killed Brook. he doesnt seem likely to kill people, also Brook seemingly lost his shadow AFTER becomeing a skeleton.
since we dont know really how he died it could be anyone (could be some weakass punk that poisoned him, or he died in an accident)Is that the skypiea snake in the colourspread? (why isnt nami or zoro in it?)
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Brook
The Afro Samurai XD LMAO.
So it seems that Brook isnt that week afterall.
A friend of mine once said that probably Zoro new sword might be
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Chopper and Brooke own too much in this chapter.
lol Chopper is too funny
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Brook can have some great attacks.
High Jumps combine with his sword technique:O -
Makes me more certain that Brookes fighting style involves resheathing his sword to make it hum an attack. Oda has Franky wondering why Brook is putting his sword back in it's sheath again. So that time Ryuma got those three might have been the same thing. The actual attack happens at the sheathing.
While not exactly clear that makes a ton of sense. He doesn't swipe with the sword or anything; he creates a sonic wave attack by vibrating the blade. That's what takes Taleran out. What off hand looks like a "too quick to see" attack was actually the attack. The physical act of sheathing the sword set a frequency wave which sliced him up. Taken that way, Brook is totally different from Zoro. He'll vibrate blades, metal, instrument strings, etc. to attack with resonances.
The attack name itself gives this a bit of backing. Humming three meters i.e. vibrating hum sound attack with a 3 meter range.
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While not exactly clear that makes a ton of sense. He doesn't swipe with the sword or anything; he creates a sonic wave attack by vibrating the blade. That's what takes Taleran out. What off hand looks like a "too quick to see" attack was actually the attack. The physical act of sheathing the sword set a frequency wave which sliced him up. Taken that way, Brook is totally different from Zoro. He'll vibrate blades, metal, instrument strings, etc. to attack with resonances.
only that Ryuuma the ZG is using the same attack in ch 450.
the points of interests are:
- usopp nami and chopper arent slashed
- the attack hits them in the front when Ryuuma is behind them
- the attack hits them before Ryuuma sheets his sword
- in ch451 usopp says that he hit them with the back of the sword.
it is likely not a sound only attack.
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The thing to note is, maybe it's due to Ryuuma actually being a swordsman? Perhaps that's where a potential point of difference lies. Ryuuma bringing in his own sword skills gives the attacks his own flavor. Maybe it's that he knocked the trio out by resonating the sword when he hit them with the back of the blade? So swipe, bam connects with resonating blade, sheaths it, "What the heck?… ugh". It was more than hitting with the back of the blade, it was some type of knock out frequency.
The theory could easily be wrong, but it would help differentiate Zoro from Brook.
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Stop spoiling us with Chapters so early, keep this up and people will be complaining when the chapter isn't here on wednesday.
I really liked the color spread, probably one of my favorites. Nunchuk action was pretty awsome, and I am glad we finally get a chance to see brooks fighting style. If he does join it will be interesting to see how that plays out with zoro. Also it looks more like a long sword to me.
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Usopp saying he was hit with the back was just him thinking about if that was what happened. Also, while Nami, Chapper and Usopp weren't slashed, spider-monkey was. It most likely can be comtrolled, or Oda screwed up. Who knows?
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Sorry about my ranting. but women that turns into helpless girlies in distress when they fall and break their high heels pisses me off for some reason.
Hey, if it makes you feel any better, then same thing happened to Franky. In fact, by speculation it may have been these spider mice who captured Zoro and Sanji. As lame as they seem, that webbing is serious stuff if it could hold Franky down.
And, the reason she didn't kick their butts, I imagine, is because her arms were stuck. I think this chapter displayed a new weakness for Robin. she needs to cross her hands to use her powers.
But don't worry about it, both Franky and Robin jobbed badly to Taleran just so that Brook could show that awesome ability, and I think we're all better for it.
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Sorry about my ranting. but women that turns into helpless girlies in distress when they fall and break their high heels pisses me off for some reason.
S'better than extreme feminist characters that somehow have the ability to get whatever they want by beating the male characters over the head. Can't stand that archetype, and Nami has shown it quite a bit.
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@Cyringohn:
S'better than extreme feminist characters that somehow have the ability to get whatever they want by beating the male characters over the head. Can't stand that archetype, and Nami has shown it quite a bit.
Well, I think sexism is an issue here–are we being so harsh with Robin because she's a woman? (and that pose of hers didn't help)
Come to think of it, didn't Luffy get captured even worse then Robin in the last chapter?
As for the hitting, I look at it with this view in mind: it doesn't actually hurt the male character. I don't find it funny (except in Whiskey Peak), but don't be made at Nami for being a violent bitch. An angry female punching a man in anime is like a british gentleman stating "I disagree!" But you have every right to hate it, as it's a sucky archetype--just sharing.
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Im pretty sure she doesnt acctually need to cross her arm to grow other parts.
(EDIT: found a panel where she uses one "fleur" without crossing her arms: chapter 429 page 3)I know for a fact that she has done without it in the anime and im about 90% sure she has done it in the manga as well.
and besides it wouldnt really fill any practical use crossing the arms, if that really is a limit Robin should just strap herself in into a staight jacket and grow arms for holding her books.'
GordoJones: 2 things i forgot to menation:
- the 2 attacks have the same name indicateing its the same attack (a personal twist to it is very unlikely)
- Hogback even mentions its a delayed damage attack.
(hmm oh seems you already agreed to that, and that the sound would be integrated with the weapon acctually hitting the victim rather then beeing only sound hitting them)
well the point is that its not a soundslash when he sheets the sword but rather delayed damage.
Onemoment: im not really mad at robin for beeing a woman, im mad at her for still beeing a liability even after CP9 saga because she refuses to go all out and hold back all the time. if the spiders had covered her eyes it would have been so much better but right now she can kick those spidermice butt imo, and she has no reason not to.
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There are several good reason Brooke can join. If one is to argue Franky shouldn't join, they can easily give the reason because he has to stay with his Franky Family.
But Brooke made it clear that all his crewmates are dead and he is trapped in the fog for years and is very lonely, always wanting to meet someone and be with them. If he gets his shadow back, why else does he needs to stay in the fog or set off into the sea alone by himself? He has every reason to be with the SH because he not only gets the sunlight but also friends and crewmates he always wanted to have.
And just because he's a swordsman doesn't mean he automatically wants to be the greatest swordsman in the world. Zoro doesn't have to fight every swordsman. We've seen Chaka and Lulu used sword, but Zoro didn't beat them up. Plus, Brooke is a musician, and what kind of musician wants to be greatest swordsman?
So Brooke can still join and his chances are really high.
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brooke can fight, and he uses a sword… this does not make me believe that brooke won't be joining now. in fact, i think there's even more of an argument for him joining the crew if he starts fighting with the mugiwaras. his great personality (oda would not waste a character this interesting and funny and already set up with how he will interact with the others ie. hitting on nami, pissing off sanji, franky calling him skeleton, usopp being afraid, etc), his unique sword/sound fighting style, his role as a musician, his devil fruit ability, the hilarity of how people will respond to him on other islands, they all point to him joining the crew. can there be only one person who uses swords to fight on the thousand sunny? i don't think so. plus, it normally looks like a cane, which makes me think he's the perfect match for fighting Laffitte on blackbeard's crew (we all know that's in the future).
just conjecture on my part, but one thing is for sure now. ryuuma got his fighting style from brooke, not his past life (which was a red herring since he was a swordsman--good job oda). THUS all zombies reanimated get their fighting style AND their personalities from their stolen shadows. which makes sense--they'd just be dead without the shadow reanimation process.
great chapter, franky would have owned it if it wasn't for the last page. and nami pretending to be okama is priceless. can't wait to see how the voice actress handles it on the anime.
once perona went on the sunny looking for the mugiwaras' treasure, one thing cemented. nami vs. perona is so gonna happen.
ps: great coloring jobs Captain Brooke in your signature and avatar. did you do them, and if not, who did?
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But Brooke made it clear that all his crewmates are dead and he is trapped in the fog for years and is very lonely, always wanting to meet someone and be with them. If he gets his shadow back, why else does he needs to stay in the fog or set off into the sea alone by himself? He has every reason to be with the SH because he not only gets the sunlight but also friends and crewmates he always wanted to have.
I hate to break it to ya, but there are some reasons. One, there seems to be humans in Thriller Bark, so Brooke wouldn't be alone. Maybe these guys will make Thiller Bark into their city when Luffy's done with Moria.
Two, there's Cindry. I think she has more of a part in the story coming. While we can draw conclusions, a room filled with pictures needs some explaining. Even if we say "Hogback's obsessed," then that raises questions of it's own!
I could go either way with Brooke. I like him, but I could live without him…so far. We still don't know enough about him yet.
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But you must know that Thriller Bark is not a city, but Gecko Moria's very own ship. Are you saying that Moria is going to get kicked off the ship and never come back after he is defeated? That doesn't sound right…
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If Brooke doesn't join the SH, I could see him in a mini-story where he goes out and explores the world.
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I wonder how good Brook is at jumping. 'Uh how did you get up here?' 'I jumped, I am light after all."
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I don't know about Brooke joining now that he is revealed to be a swordsman. It might take away from Zoro, but who knows?