@Cap'n:
I'm guessing it's because they're not HQ marines.
Oh, and I recognize that picture of Nami; it's from that Jump Valentine's Day spread with all of the ladies from various Jump series.
Could you show us please?
One Piece: Yellow Discussion Thread
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Am I missing something? What happened with Whitebeard? Who passed away?
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Could you show us please?
@Cap'n:
I'm guessing it's because they're not HQ marines.
Oh, and I recognize that picture of Nami; it's from that Jump Valentine's Day spread with all of the ladies from various Jump series.
Yeap^^
It's from Jump number 11 of 2004's Valentine's Day spread ^^
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the man who oda based whitebeards on died
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Gin shot him in his shoulder actually.
I see what you mean. I always took it that the blood was actually scattering around in the air instead of it coming out from the shoulder in that one specific part. Probably because I never paid that much attention to it since I went with the german version of Blue that says Lines was shot. One more for wrong translations.
Hard to say as we can't tell what rank they are by their epaulets in that scene; not that it matters much as Oda may have changed the system since then. Crane has pips while recent uniforms have stripes that indicate rank; though that might be something unique to her uniform. At least one of them is dressed similarly to Crane, unlike the other two, which might suggest that he's a Vice Admiral himself. .
Actually all those guys Bogart, Doflamingo-Toys and Brandnew listeners have all the same coat. It´s the Vice Admirals that each have their own unique coat. Tsuru, John Giant, Garp, Doberman, Strawberry have all coats that don´t match any other.
Of course that doesn´t necessarily mean that every Vice Admiral has to have a unique coat but at least it shows that they can have their own robe (Kuzan and Sakazuki are just two more examples).
Me bet is that all those guys are the same rank as Bogart, which would make them more or less some sort of Vice-Vice Admiral (yeah I know it sounds bad). Whenever these guys appeared a Vice Admiral was around. Bogart is with Garp, the Doflamingo-Toys were next to Tsuru and the Brandnew listeners were as I interpret it in the same room as John Giant.
I´m really curious if Oda skips them accidentally or intentionally.
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I don't think Oda has any intention to reuse any of these guys in the future, they had very generic designs, so that's maybe why they weren't mentionned. One of the guys Brandnew talks to in vol 11 has probably served as a base for Momonga's design for ex. Then again I can't see Lines/Raines ever coming back either. That Marine chart is weird, it's like they tried to be all-comprehensive and failed.
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Okay folks, ready? I don't think anyone hit this one on the head. Beri Beri no Mi. His body literally turns into berry-like bits. Think we all could guess it was indeed a Paramecia though.
jaw drop
Ok, that's got to win some sort of award for out-there-ness and creativity and bad puns – he ought to stay away from Sanji though. Berries are God's gift to cooking, so Sanji will have hundreds of ways to dispose of this guy.
Next was an easy one if you were in the rust camp. Shuu has the power of the Sabi Sabi no Mi. Lit. Rust Rust Fruit. Yep, he rusted Zoro's swords. Paramecia type.
Ah, good. Originally, I thought it might be an acid, not a rust, because it did Yubashiri in so quickly. So I'm actually relieved that it's just rust – assuming it can only harm metals. Acid would have been much worse because it could harm skin as well.
Greg, you said Shuu is a "he" -- is that confirmed by the book? I keep thinking that with that veil over "his" face, "he" might actually be "she" ...
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I don't think Oda has any intention to reuse any of these guys in the future, they had very generic designs, so that's maybe why they weren't mentionned. One of the guys Brandnew talks to in vol 11 has probably served as a base for Momonga's design for ex. Then again I can't see Lines/Raines ever coming back either. That Marine chart is weird, it's like they tried to be all-comprehensive and failed.
True, most of those guys are pretty generic. Actually all even Bogart are generic by design but really, him and those guys at Maryjoa had at least more prominent roles then Ensign Makkoh. I can understand what Lines makes there however. He´s the only example of a Private First Class so far so that could be a reason for putting him there.
But then goes the question if Bogart clearly is not an Vice Admiral, what is he then? If he´s no Commodore, Captain or anything (my speculation) then by the logic that I take Lines for to be there wouldn´t it actually make sense to have him as a visual example for one of the ranks that don´t have a matching face so far?
The Marine chart is in fact a little weird from that point of view.
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If they do appear, they'll be short appearances consisting of one or two panels. I think we have more chance of seeing the Lt. in the future, perhaps Zoro will fight that Rust guy again.
I wonder if Shuu's veil is due to something he did with his powers accidently. XD
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uumm…. sorry but has nobody translated the Ace part?
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Translation/Scanlation of a 308 page book that came out yesterday? Why yes, it's right here between the meaning of life and how to time travel.
Didn't know when it was released at the time I posted, I was just looking for anything that's available really. Your translation will be more than enough for now. :)
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uumm…. sorry but has nobody translated the Ace part?
Regarding this and all:
What about White Beard?
What about Shanks?
What about Mihawk?
What about XXXXXX?
I've had more than enough time to go through the book and I'm officially sick of looking at it.
The only thing semi-interesting thing I didn't touch on was a shop guide that was more or less self-explanatory because it just listed each shop given a name or gave a desctiptive name to one's we already knew about.
Other than that, that's it for original info.
I think the last new bit of info I found was Norland's ship was The North Heim.
Don't expect any major revelations from these books beyond character/item names and very brief descriptions. Otherwise much of it is nauseatingly redudant. However, the original nuggets of info make it all worth it for a freak like me.
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Probably because I never paid that much attention to it since I went with the german version of Blue that says Lines was shot. One more for wrong translations.
That's what you get for trusting Germans, which, as history shows, is never a wise move.
Actually all those guys Bogart, Doflamingo-Toys and Brandnew listeners have all the same coat. It´s the Vice Admirals that each have their own unique coat. Tsuru, John Giant, Garp, Doberman, Strawberry have all coats that don´t match any other.
Check out the guy who is smoking and glancing back at Bear; he's wearing the Justice Cape along with a double-breasted white jacket with full length sleeves.
The only people we've seen wear a white jacket with two rows of buttons are flag officers. On top of that, Captains don't wear sleeves with the Justice Cape. At the very least, it's extremely rare.
So he's at least a Commodore.
Me bet is that all those guys are the same rank as Bogart, which would make them more or less some sort of Vice-Vice Admiral (yeah I know it sounds bad). Whenever these guys appeared a Vice Admiral was around. Bogart is with Garp, the Doflamingo-Toys were next to Tsuru and the Brandnew listeners were as I interpret it in the same room as John Giant.
My inclination is that the two guys standing around are probably at least Lt. Commanders and probably higher ranked; considering how fast some people move up the ranks, they seem rather old to be anything less than that. Frankly, they even seem a bit old for anything less than a Captain, but that's neither here nor there.
Huh, I wonder if the pinstriped suit is common in certain branches of the Navy, like Naval Intelligence or even clerical positions.
I´m really curious if Oda skips them accidentally or intentionally.
Again, hard to say. They're at least as important as some of the people who were included as far as storyline goes. Beyond that, they might have been of a rank that could fill in some of the empty spots higher up the chart.
The only thing semi-interesting thing I didn't touch on was a shop guide that was more or less self-explanatory because it just listed each shop given a name or gave a desctiptive name to one's we already knew about.
Actually, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm interested in as I keep track of such things in the Newbie Guide.
Does it give a name for any of the Water 7 businesses, like the book store Robin and Chopper went to?
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Regarding this and all:
What about White Beard?
What about Shanks?
What about Mihawk?
What about XXXXXX?
I've had more than enough time to go through the book and I'm officially sick of looking at it.
The only thing semi-interesting thing I didn't touch on was a shop guide that was more or less self-explanatory because it just listed each shop given a name or gave a desctiptive name to one's we already knew about.
Other than that, that's it for original info.
I think the last new bit of info I found was Norland's ship was The North Heim.
Don't expect any major revelations from these books beyond character/item names and very brief descriptions. Otherwise much of it is nauseatingly redudant. However, the original nuggets of info make it all worth it for a freak like me.
greg as always you are a great person
data books usually state what is shown,like zoro vs luffy in skypiah and the red book saying the are equal or shanks talking to mihawk after luffy's first bounty and then a data book stated they were rivals
if something is not in the manga it will be shown or explained,for instance it will not reveal info about dragon or the revolutionaries,it will not state if the supreme admiral is the strongest marine or who won between shanks and mihawk or if marco is stronger than ace or who has a DF that hasn't been shown
if something is mentioned in the manga that is important and may have not been well put it will be further explained in a databook and since there was no character chart in this databook there is really nothing we don't know that is written there,except of minor details,like ships,weapons and things like that
actually WB's divisions being 16 and mihawk's sword were fascinating info but except of that nothing that we don't know is in yellow book and nothing that if we didn't know would make us understand this manga less
and again a very big thank you to greg,man you are great!!!!!
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Oh, by the way, did Oda name anyone in the Norland Flashback?
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I just cannot resist, I'm such an idiot, but I'd love to see stuff on Coby and Helmeppo XD Any chance you could post or translate stuff about them? Stuff on Garp or even Bogard (if that's even his oficial name) would be awesome too.
I know that there's no chance translations or scanlations will be avaiable soon, but I'd like to know if they ever WILL. I mean I think I have some pages of OP Red or Blue (not sure) but will people do the same with Yellow someday? How long does it take?
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I just cannot resist, I'm such an idiot, but I'd love to see stuff on Coby and Helmeppo XD Any chance you could post or translate stuff about them? Stuff on Garp or even Bogard (if that's even his oficial name) would be awesome too.
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=507886&postcount=308
Does it give a name for any of the Water 7 businesses, like the book store Robin and Chopper went to?
I went through the location section carefully last night and the only things mentioned from W7 were W7 itself, The Ciza Hotel where Ice was supposed to have his lunch meeting, Ligria Square where he was supposed to have a lecture and Ship Dismantling Island.
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Wow. Yellow just totally made something make sense.
<<gan forr:="" i="" love="" the="" taste…<br="">OF PUMPKIN JUICE!!!</gan>
Because freaking Norland brought pumpkins to Jaya and then the Skypieans stole them from them.
Totally didn't see the significance of that scene in the fb.
Wow. Just wow. Sometimes Oda scares me.
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Wow. Yellow just totally made something make sense.
Because freaking Norland brought pumpkins to Jaya and then the Skypieans stole them from them.
Totally didn't see the significance of that scene in the fb.
Wow. Just wow. Sometimes Oda scares me.
Huh, I always wrote that off as simply being because he needed soil to grow his pumpkins and Wiper just getting mad because it sounded so random. In this case, no wonder Wiper was insulted as it's basically Gan Forr admitting that he enjoys something the Skypieans stole from them and reminding them of such.
I never once thought to connect them to Norland though… hang on. Damn, there he is in 290 showing one off and explaining to the Shandians.
It's stuff like this that makes me argue that anything, no matter how slight, can be significant.
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Hey does anyone have the scanlated Red and Blue Data books they could upload? I have looked all over the forums and googled it but I can't seem to find it.
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They arent scanlated but I uploaded the raw versions of them
its on the 2nd page of this thread if you want it
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The man Oda based Whitebeard's character off of passed away.
I'm too lazy to look back… Can someone please tell me what the person he based WB off was like?
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Heso!
I hope that this has not been asked. Are there any color pictures in the Yellow Databook? If so is there one of Franky. Also does anyone have a good scan of Franky that is in color.
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Because freaking Norland brought pumpkins to Jaya and then the Skypieans stole them from them.
Totally didn't see the significance of that scene in the fb.
Wow. Just wow. Sometimes Oda scares me.
Ok, stuff like this really is scary. I mean this is not a joke of some sort but really intended by Oda from the begining as the scene in chapter 290, that Ubiq pointed out proves. Holy shit!!! Can´t wait to get my hands on a Yellow.
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What gets me about it is that it adds a whole new layer to Wiper as a character. Before it just seemed like he was overreacting to an innocent comment made by Gan Forr, but, when you think about it, pumpkins are probably very significant to the Shandians culturally since they were introduced to Jaya by Norland. I can just see them sitting around and listening to a village elder explaining how gathering/carving pumpkins from the forest is a symbol of their continued connection with Norland in honor of Calgara.
So somebody that grew up knowing the Calgara-Norland story as well as Wiper did would see that innocent comment as an actual religious affront.
Sure, Gan Forr couldn't possibly have known that he was doing so, but it's much easier to understand why Wiper reacted the way he did.
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To me it doesn´t add that much new to Wiper. Just the reason of agression changed. Before I thought he was just freaking out because he thinks Gun Fall wants to precious Vearth for his own purposes while now it appears to be like the precious Pumpkins are the object of the matter. But in the end be it Vearth or Pumpkinks both are precious maybe even holy to Wiper so he freaks out for the same reason IMO, just not for the same object. At least that´s what I take/took it for.
About the Marines again - I actually think that those guys aren´t lower then Commodore rank. Lt. Commanders or Lieutenants would be to low IMO considering the scenes where they appeared. If we leave Bogart aside the other guys were actually present at important meetings. The one was when the bounty for East Blue´s most wanted pirate was determined and the others were actually present at an even more important matter, which would be to discuss a replacement for Crocodile = maintainance of the balance between the Three Powers. You wouldn´t expect minor ranks to be present at such meetings.
Just compare it to the real life. In meetings of national security you always have high ranked Generals and politicians present to talk about the matter. Lower ranks have lost nothing there. If that logic applies to OP aswell then I´d say they are either Rear Admirals or Commodores.
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Lol @ Oda, he really does think about everything.
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If you want a cohesive naval hierarchy from top to bottom, they are.
Seeing as how the Japanese don't differentiate between naval and infantry rankings, you could choose to use infantry terms for non-coms (seeing as how they act as infantry at times while acting as sailors at other times), but I think it makes more sense to use a single system across the board.
Sorry to constantly bring the Marine ranks into discussion again but I must have skipped over that response of yours and I still have a question on that matter. I agree that it makes more sense to use one single system so since I´m in favor of the naval one, I´d like to know which ones which ones other then Sergeant Major = Chief Petty Officer and Sergeant = Petty Officer we have in that list that would need to be changed?
My Star Trek experience tells me that from Fleet Admiral to Ensign everything makes sense for naval ranks but from Warrant Officer to Recruit I don´t know. I guess the Odd Jobs are ok though. So any info on that field would be nice.
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I too thought it was about the soil, so I ended up understanding why Wiper was mad and thinking Gan wasn't just being random, but I didn't realize that Wiper was thinking about the pumpkins. Doesn't clear anything up for me, I guess.
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Thanks for the scans and translations! :D :D
OT:sometihng confuses me…
I read every chapter.. seen almost every episode.. but in the marine chart Scan it shows Smoker is Not a captain anymore. When did he get promoted -
Remember when Smoker told his superior to eat shit at the end of Arabasta? That´s because they wanted to promote him and Tashigi for something that the Strawhats done.
But since he told them to eat shit it was never clear if his superiors have stripped him of that rank for the insult or not. It was chapter 439 where it was proved that he indeed goes by a higher rank. Just as Tashigi.
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Man, Space time sure is one weird comic! :blink:
Still cool though.
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Just compare it to the real life. In meetings of national security you always have high ranked Generals and politicians present to talk about the matter. Lower ranks have lost nothing there. If that logic applies to OP aswell then I´d say they are either Rear Admirals or Commodores.
Depends on what they're there for really. If they are there to be consulted on the issue, then they're probably flag officers, but they might be stenographers or assistants to the people that we know for certain are flag officers. If that's why, then a Lt. Commander, Commander, or even Captain would be a better choice.
We know for certain that at least three of them are Commodore or higher: Crane, Sengoku, and smoking guy. It's the other two I wonder about.
My Star Trek experience tells me that from Fleet Admiral to Ensign everything makes sense for naval ranks but from Warrant Officer to Recruit I don´t know. I guess the Odd Jobs are ok though. So any info on that field would be nice.
Here's a quick rundown of the various ranks, from the lowest to the highest. I think most people are familiar with the higher rankings, so we'll do those last. The first will be the Japanese term with the second being the Army and the third the Navy equivalent. This mostly uses the US Navy with a few exceptions which I note below.
Zatsuyou - Odd Jobs/Chore boy
Santohei - Private - Seaman Recruit
Nittohei - Private - Seaman Apprentice
Ittohei - Private, 1st Class - Seaman
Gocho - Corporal - Leading Seaman
Gunso - Sergeant - Petty Officer
Socho - Sergeant Major - Chief Petty Officer
Juni - Warrant Officer- Warrant Officer
Shui - Lieutenant, Second Class - Ensign
Chui- Lieutenant, First Class - Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Taii - Captain - Lieutenant
Shosa - Major - Lt. Commander
Chusa - Lt. Colonel - Commander
Taisa - Colonel - Captain
Junsho - Brigadier General - Commodore
Shosho - Major General - Rear Admiral
Chujo- Lt. General - Vice Admiral
Taisho - General - Admiral
Gensui - Field Marshall - Fleet/Honored AdmiralA Gochou could also be called a Petty Officer, Third Class while a Gunsou is roughly equivalent to a Petty Officer, Second Class, but just calling one a Petty Officer while calling the other a Leading Seaman makes things a bit easier. So I borrowed a British term here instead.
Now, the other exception is using Rear Admiral as a single rank instead of slipping it into Rear Admiral, Lower and Rear Admiral, Higher. Commodore just sounds better.
As far as the Seaman rankings go, you could also call them:
Seaman, Third Class
Seaman, Second Class
Seaman, First Class.That's based on the San, Ni, and Itto portions of their title.
It's really up to personal preference; some of the titles Oda uses were traditionally preferred by the Japanese Army instead of the Japanese Navy, but his Marines function as sailors just as much as they do soldiers. Beyond that, it seems somewhat odd to have Generals in command of flotillas, I prefer to use a Navy system from top to bottom.
As one final note on the ranking system above, the single highest rank in the Japanese system is Dai-Gensui, which was reserved for the Emperor and is basically the equivalent of Commander-In-Chief. If the title exists in One Piece, it either belongs to whichever Gorosei directly oversees the Navy or to the entire group as a shared title.
If so, Dai-Gensui would probably be better rendered as General of the Armies or Admiral of the Navy.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Finally saw Red and Yellow side by side. Yellow is definitely the winner with respect to size.
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Wait wait wait, for starters where can I find OP Red & Blue?
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Thanks for the explenation Ubiq. Exactly what I needed.
And finally I hold Yellow in my own hands. I´m just reading through it for the first time. Yowza! Which I would understand what the WG chart says.
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Just picked up Yellow at a Japanese bookstore. I don't know what any of it means, but it's big and shiny!
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Does this Data book have any info on Martial Arts?
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It sucks in the martial arts department. It includes some facts while blatantly ignoring others.
Anyway, remember in the translation of Space Time I mentioned that the entire time characters were doing expressions based on Shimura Ken's famous 'Ai~n' gag?
Well in this week's JUMP, Oda mentioned that he actually got permission from Shimura's agency to do so. Nice.
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I was surprised at the amount of English in a Japanese-language book. Just got it yesterday, so I haven't had much time to translate anything.
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Because most of that stuff they can easily read. Remember, most of them have English for at least 6 years and regardless of their speaking ability, their reading comprehension is usually pretty solid.
The main reason is because it spices it up and makes it look 'cool'. Like a guy with a kanji tattoo that says 'Raging Hormones' or something.
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Uh, did Oda name the King of Lyveel? What's his name? Or Oda did not write it down?
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As far as the Seaman rankings go, you could also call them:
Seaman, Third Class
Seaman, Second Class
Seaman, First Class.That's based on the San, Ni, and Itto portions of their title.
Interestingly enough, it seems that the US Navy used that terminology prior to adopting the current designation for the Seaman ranks. I'm not sure when the change was made, though.
Also, that's an interesting idea, using Leading Rate for Gochou - it ends up making the next two higher ranks less of a mouthful (MCPO and CPO are a pain to write out, so making them CPO and PO makes that a little easier).
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One more thing about the Marine or should I say Navy since I ask for the english counterparts? Is there something like a Grand Admiral? I know that in German I heard Großadmiral (which would be the exact same word in our language) several times and Sengoku is even labeled like that in the official german releases. But the thing is that I´m sure I´ve read the term Grand Admiral in english once and other then that I think Flottenadmiral (which would be the German counterpart for Fleet Admiral) also exists in German.
So does the term Grand Admiral exist in english or not, and if yes when do you use Fleet and when Grand?
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So does the term Grand Admiral exist in english or not, and if yes when do you use Fleet and when Grand?
Ivotas, I've never heard of Grand Admirals in the US Navy, and the rank of Fleet Admiral is only used during a time of war. The last Fleet Admirals served during WWII.
Here's the US Navy breakdown for Officers. It gives a small bit of info on Fleet Admirals.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=266And some more detailed info on the US Fleet Admirals
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq36-1.htmI found this on Wikipedia so take it how you will: (the item in parenthesis I added for clarification)
"In the German Navy, the rank (Grand Admiral) was the equivalent of a British Admiral of the Fleet or a United States Fleet Admiral."BTW…Ubiq, thanks so much for the breakdown of the ranks! I'm always thinking in terms of US Army rank so the ranks (Tashigi's especially) and how they are equivalent from service to service has always thrown me off.
