About what shanks and garp said and asura

Sven Volfied

@Final:

Wow!!!!!! your "amazing"…... that chart was only made for the SH crew…......man you and bedrock look smart.

Luffy and Zoro are equals.......they both have a six for strength, and we all know what "strength" means in mangas and animes.

But if Oda were to make charts for other characters, The strong characters would also be a "Six" in Strength. I bet Oda would rank characters like Don Kreig as Sixes in Strength. Because he was really strong. It was one of his main notable features.

Well, when listed along with qualities such as exploration and intelligence, I'dexpect it measures physical strength.It's just like the Card game "Top Trumps", where different characters get a broad rating on various stats. To see it any other way is kinda silly.

I'm not saying Luffy>Zoro (Well, Zoro's never beat an opponent superior to Luffy's…). But to try and prove it this way is silly.

SabZ

@Final:

Your Theory is not above what Oda says…...plus your "adding and subtracting and work it out and divide it", crap dont apply because the data book dont tell us to add or subbtract or anything your implying. Hell you fail to show me where Oda said it is a rough overview of Luffy and Zoro or anyone in the data book.

Yes it is the end of stroy.

Show me where Oda DOESN'T say it's a rough overview and show me where he said he HASN'T done all the maths and then dimmed it down into a chart?

"I read the book, Oda's words, he made it, blah blah"… attack my theory. The chart has backfired on yours... and I'm talking about FULLY proving... not adding more of a chance.

AD-HD Pirate

And it's still going on…

Can't you guys let people having their own opinion about this and just leave it to that?

SabZ

@AD-HD:

And it's still going on…

Can't you guys let people having their own opinion about this and just leave it to that?

I try… but they just don't stop. Makes me wanna post.

Phenomenol

@$abZ:

Phenomenol, it's over. I've attacked your quotes, along with OIP (who was saying the same things). You haven't attacked my theory at all. At least prove me wrong… you haven't. You've just overshadowed my posts with your arguement, without attacking my theory successfully.

"end....of ....story!"

Lets take a look at our argument shall we…........

@Phenomenol:

Prove to me that Luffy is stronger than Zoro? When the manga is telling you that they are equal….......Or are You just being a Luffy fanboy?

@$abz:

Stop with the fanboy crap… it's immature (and wrong).

How is the manga telling us that they're equal... except that fight that didn't finish. As far as what I've seen in OP so far, a fight picks up later... the first few hits are either equal, or Luffy getting his ass kicked.And the chart... don't make me have to explain that again. I gave a good reason on why Oda wasn't being entirely serious on concentrating on Luffy and Zoro. He was just giving an overview on the SH crew. If he wanted it to be about Luffy and Zoro... he would've done an in-depth analysis. Oda doesn't give everything away... so you and I are assuming.

@Phenomenol:

So prove to me that Oda was giving a half-assed effort on the data of Luffy and Zoro? Not too mention the fight that happened between them was their BEST techniques and NEITHER of them budged!!! Not too mention they tried to kill each other. All the evidence points to them being equal instead of your "Oda was not being serious on Luffy and Zoro's strength."

@$abz:

Oh right, so Luffy and Lucci weren't trying to kill each other. Lucci was beating his ass for a long time before things picked up. How do you know that Oda wasn't portraying the same thing with Luffy vs Zoro?

And you prove to me that Oda wasn't giving a half-assed effort.

@Phenomenol:

Uh…...Lucci was beating Luffy's cheeks the ENTIRE time!!! It was NOT until the end that Luffy got the win. Lucci even saved his BEST move until the end and that is what kept Luffy under his heel. Unlike Luffy and Zoro's fight their BEST techniques were Unleashed and NEITHER of them moved and inch.

Oda wasn't giving a half assed effort in the data books because the manga backed up his numbers, which ODA inserted in the data books.

@$abz:

Oh right… my mistake... Lucci is actually stronger than Luffy. My bad. Who won again?

The manga did, you're right. It backed up that Luffy and Zoro were both 6.

So tell me, if I enjoyed two Wii games so much that I almost loved them, and classed them both as 10 (as 9 is too low for them, and I class other games as 9), however I liked one slightly better than the other... does that make them equal in my view?

@Phenomenol:

Luffy won, BARELY but only because of the words of Ussop!!!!

You would only give the game that you are better at a higher rating!!! Oda is good at drawing both Luffy and Zoro, so he classes them EQUAL….

I addressed all your little theories, I will go with what Oda and the manga has dispalyed and say Luffy and Zoro are equal in power.

Final End

But if Oda were to make charts for other characters, The strong characters would also be a "Six" in Strength. I bet Oda would rank characters like Don Kreig as Sixes in Strength. Because he was really strong. It was one of his main notable features.

If other characters were on the chart Like Whitebeard he would be higher then a six alot higher and the max number would not be six.

Well, when listed along with qualities such as exploration and intelligence, I'dexpect it measures physical strength.It's just like the Card game "Top Trumps", where different characters get a broad rating on various stats. To see it any other way is kinda silly.

Never played "Top Trump".

I'm not saying Luffy>Zoro (Well, Zoro's never beat an opponent superior to Luffy's…). But to try and prove it this way is silly.

Well you must think Oda is silly because hes the one that made the Chart.
you know who Oda is right?…..the guy who made One piece manga.

@Sabz

What a weak argument............you argument goes a lil like this

! IF ODA NEVER SAID IT HAPPENED IT DID!!!!!

Since it was never stated that BB cant eat people…......it means he can!

See how repugnant you sound?..:getlost:

SabZ

Phenomenol… the big thing here is...

I want you to PROVE to me that Oda DIDN'T create a full-on analysis using maths, and them dim it down to make the chart. PROVE THAT… and I'm finished.

You see… that would mean you're speculating that he didn't make an analysis before dimming it down into a chart.

You wouldn't be speculating if he quotes that they're equal in the manga. That can't backfire on your theory, because it's Oda's WORDS. But the chart... can backfire on your theory.

6 = 6... Oda might have done the maths stuff I explained and dimmed it down... so that on the chart they're both 6, however one is stronger than the other. Remember, 5 to 6 is a sxth of the SH PL... which isn't one, sadly for you.

And Final End... your arguement is pointless... because a statement clarifies things up. Oda saying nothing doesn't clarify things, which leads to speculation... which is what is happening in this case. You have the weak arguement.

Phenomenol

@$abZ:

Phenomenol… the big thing here is...

I want you to PROVE to me that Oda DIDN'T create a full-on analysis using maths, and them dim it down to make the chart. PROVE THAT… and I'm finished.

You see… that would mean you're speculating that he didn't make an analysis before dimming it down into a chart.

You wouldn't be speculating if he quotes that they're equal in the manga. That can't backfire on your theory, because it's Oda's WORDS. But the chart... can backfire on your theory.

6 = 6... Oda might have done the maths stuff I explained and dimmed it down... so that on the chart they're both 6, however one is stronger than the other. Remember, 5 to 6 is a sxth of the SH PL... which isn't one, sadly for you.

Prove to me that Oda wipes his @#%&* with his left hand? If it is NOT written down in the data book or the manga it can NOT be discussed. .

Final End

@$abZ:

And Final End… your arguement is pointless... because a statement clarifies things up. Oda saying nothing doesn't clarify things, which leads to speculation... which is what is happening in this case. You have the weak arguement.

LMAO your the one saying "if Oda never said it happen! it must have happened!"…............you have yet to show me where in the data book Oda tells us to Add, subtract and divide?.....Please post it up Im dying to know.

SabZ

@Final:

LMAO your the one saying "if Oda never said it happen! it must have happened!"…............you have yet to show me where in the data book Oda tells us to Add, subtract and divide?.....Please post it up Im dying to know.

Did you even read what you quoted? Seriously, read it and understand it. Then you'll realise the waste of energy in your typing with your new post.

And I never said what you said I have.

Final End

Understand????? What this…..LOL

Show me where Oda DOESN'T say it's a rough overview and show me where he said he HASN'T done all the maths and then dimmed it down into a chart?

If it was a "rough overview" Oda would have put that into the data book also….
See how weak your argument is?? Step your game up!

"I read the book, Oda's words, he made it, blah blah"… attack my theory. The chart has backfired on yours... and I'm talking about FULLY proving... not adding more of a chance.

All your saying is that my theory is above what oda says or written in the data book. The chart does not backfire, where you get that from? and once again show me where it is stated in the data book that Oda wants us to add and subbtract?

SabZ

@Final:

Understand????? What this…..LOL

If it was a "rough overview" Oda would have put that into the data book also....
See how weak your argument is?? Step your game up!

That's speculation. That's exactly what I'm saying. If Oda writes notrhing of it, we can only speculate. What if Oda didn't want to write it in the data book? Hm? Since your his childhood friend.

So until we get a quote that clears things up, then you've got nothing. The chart can backfire because of Oda's possible real intentions… and if Oda didn't do an analysis, you expect him to state that aswell? It's the opposite way around.

POSSIBLE means it CAN happen.

Final End

Let me end this Sabz…..................

@Phenomenol:

Prove to me that Oda wipes his @#%& with his left hand? If it is NOT written down in the data book or the manga it can NOT be discussed.* .

taboo

If Oda writes notrhing of it, we can only speculate.

What if Oda didn't want to write it in the data book?

:ermm: Erm. Aren't you contradicting yourself…

SabZ

@taboo:

:ermm: Erm. Aren't you contradicting yourself…

WE can only speculate. WE means the two of us.

You probably don't know my arguement. My arguement isn't Luffy > Zoro, it's Luffy = Zoro hasn't been stated. I use opposite specultation to prove they are speculating too. E.g.

Them: "Oda didn't do an analysis, he just did 6 = 6! End of!"

Me: "How do you know Oda didn't do an analysis? He probably did"

Urian

Zoro is equal to Gear 1 Luffy but Zoro cannot upgrade his body to Gear 2 or similar state and because of this Luffy is stronger.

The difference between Luffy and Zoro is that Luffy is able to defeat Lucci and Zoro says that only Luffy can win against Lucci. Do you believe that Luffy and Zoro are equals? Put Zoro in front of Lucci and marimo´s dream is over.

ONEinchPUNCH

@Urian:

Zoro is equal to Gear 1 Luffy but Zoro cannot upgrade his body to Gear 2 or similar state and because of this Luffy is stronger.

Asura is a stance, zoro named a move while in asura stance, asura is zoro's gear 2

The difference between Luffy and Zoro is that Luffy is able to defeat Lucci and Zoro says that only Luffy can win against Lucci.

That was a bad translation, he says nothing of the sort.

Do you believe that Luffy and Zoro are equals? Put Zoro in front of Lucci and marimo´s dream is over.

Very unlikely since they are equal.

@$abZ:

Haha. It was you, a while back, that couldn't even think of an arguement against my post. "I read it"… um, that backed me into a corner. You didn't even reply to my above post.

Why should I argue speculation? I told you what I think of your speculation, I'm not replying because you believe only what you want to believe.

The red book doesn't have the facts you are looking for, so you just change the facts with a theory of yours. I didn't reply to your other post because I've only just seen it and wouldn't have answered anyway because I have agreed to disagree.

Archtyrant

Yeah, forget it abZ, i know its hard to, but just let it go. We all already know who the winner is for this one. This is what we chinese call "singing a tune to the cow". Tell me which cow ever listens to music? Similarly, there's no convincing someone of a different frequency.

Fine guys they're equal, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that Luffy's and Zoro's strength is even marginally, even to the ninth decimal place, different from one another. Every second of their life, their muscles are able to pump blood and regenerate each muscle cell AT THE EXACT SAME RATE.

End of story.

P.S. I would agree that Luffy and Zoro cannot defeat one another (or take an insane amount of time to do so if one does beat the other), but saying that their strength is EXACTLY equal…

EDIT:
@ONEinchPUNCH:

That was a bad translation, he says nothing of the sort.

Lol yeah the translators decided to come up with something like that themselves. They were thinking "hmm Luffy is stronger than Zoro so I must add that part in for the world to read."

Archtyrant

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ONEinchPUNCH

@Archtyrant:

Yeah, forget it abZ, i know its hard to, but just let it go. We all already know who the winner is for this one. This is what we chinese call "singing a tune to the cow". Tell me which cow ever listens to music? Similarly, there's no convincing someone of a different frequency.

You haven't won anything all the facts point to them being equal, when you put some facts in your post I may take you seriously. This is what we over in the west call "talking to a wall". Tell me can a wall hear you? Theres no convincing something that can't hear the facts.

Fine guys they're equal, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that Luffy's and Zoro's strength is even marginally, even to the ninth decimal place, different from one another. Every second of their life, their muscles are able to pump blood and regenerate each muscle cell AT THE EXACT SAME RATE.

See you are comparing a comic to real life, in life you don't have a number asigned to your strength. Anyone with the will power can become the best, you just have to want it bad enough, dedicating your life to the cause.

In manga a character is only what the author wants him to be, if he gives them both 6 they are equal. You can guess "Well yeah luffy might be stronger" but that is speculation.

P.S. I would agree that Luffy and Zoro cannot defeat one another (or take an insane amount of time to do so if one does beat the other), but saying that their strength is EXACTLY equal…

We have to go by what the author says.

If Oda didn't have the whiskey peak fight and the equal strength in the data book, you think I'd call them equal? I'm only using facts if there were no stats and no whiskey peak and constant hints pointing to them being equal. I would also have my own theory, but since there are facts that won't be neccessary.

Lol yeah the translators decided to come up with something like that themselves. They were thinking "hmm Luffy is stronger than Zoro so I must add that part in for the world to read."

Maybe they like to twist the truth and use home made theories like certain other people.

Archtyrant

LOL kk you win you win.

This argument was retarded to begin with.

BlackGalleon1

@Urian:

Zoro is equal to Gear 1 Luffy but Zoro cannot upgrade his body to Gear 2 or similar state and because of this Luffy is stronger.

It's statements like this that really annoy me and caused me to write this

DesertSpada

Look at each persons achievements and look at it for yourself. Compare and contrast. See who did more and who did less.

Archtyrant

Nah, DesertSpada, don't need to ask them to do that.

They must be spoonfed every single piece of information, anything else that isn't stated cannot be inferred and is therefore always wrong.

I humbly thank you for voicing your opinion on the matter but there really is no need to do so.

CodedTech

@DesertSpada:

Look at each persons achievements and look at it for yourself. Compare and contrast. See who did more and who did less.

Looking at achievements alone isn't enough, as certain characters have had more oppurtinites to achieve greater achivements than others, even the another may have accomplished it.

SabZ

I proved the chart backfires on their theory, which proved that they were speculating about things such as Oda and the way he made the chart.

They so beat us XD.

Paulie

$abZ, you're wasting your time. Things like logic don't work here.

Final End

@$abZ:

I proved the chart backfires on their theory, which proved that they were speculating about things such as Oda and the way he made the chart.

They so beat us XD.

Nothing backfires….....all your saying is "add, subbtract and divide" when the Data Book tell us not to. If the Data Book said you must "work it out" like your implying then I would agree with you....... but it does not, and you keep saying "your theory?" the Data book is not something we written, Oda worte it.

SabZ

@Final:

Nothing backfires….....all your saying is "add, subbtract and divide" when the Data Book tell us not to.

Lol… no I'm not and no it doesn't.

I'm done with this debate, we're going in circles. Plus, I've done enough.

Final End

Lol… it doesn't.

LOL thank you for answering my long time question, sabz….....remember what it was?......my question was show me where in the data book, Oda wants us to "work it out" and its a "rough overview." Does it say that in the data book.

No

FireFistAce 0

Okay, let me see if I generally understand you and Final End, OiP.

Luffy and Zoro are GENERAL equals in strength. We've been given a GENERAL ranking. Saying they are EXACT equals is speculation, but saying HOW MUCH they vary from one another is also speculation.

In essence, they are equal, according to the data book. But 6 is too low of a number to accurately portray the EXACT level of their strength. Their EXACT difference doesn't really matter; they're close enough to be considered equals.

Is THAT what you're trying to say? If that's so, then everyone should be okay with that.

ONEinchPUNCH

@Fire Fist:

Okay, let me see if I generally understand you and Final End, OiP.

Luffy and Zoro are GENERAL equals in strength. We've been given a GENERAL ranking. Saying they are EXACT equals is speculation, but saying HOW MUCH they vary from one another is also speculation.

That's why we have to go by 6, there is no proof of it being a GENERAL ranking. Me saying one is stronger than the other is basically playing GOD, we can only guess who is stronger. This means we have to go by the fact that 6=6 until Oda makes one stronger than the other.

In essence, they are equal, according to the data book. But 6 is too low of a number to accurately portray the EXACT level of their strength. Their EXACT difference doesn't really matter; they're close enough to be considered equals.

It's impossible for two people to have the exact level of strength since we are all unique. BUT this is a comic they are as strong as Oda wants them to be, guessing which one has the edge is speculation.

Is THAT what you're trying to say? If that's so, then everyone should be okay with that.

This is great logic, but we cannot play GOD and decide one is stronger than the other. We must wait for the author to say this, so far they are equal in numbers and in an actual fight. This is no coincidence Oda is trying to say something, he's saying they are equal.

bedrock

@Final:

LOL thank you for answering my long time question, sabz….....remember what it was?......my question was show me where in the data book, Oda wants us to "work it out" and its a "rough overview." Does it say that in the data book.

No

The attitude with which you guys go into this discussion is annoying me more and more whenever I take a glance at this thread. Everyone of you posseses the ONE and ONLY truth an no one even seems to wonder how the other ones can be so stupid. Well, it´s probably not necessary when I KNOW I´m right… (shudder)

I´ll try to answer your question:
It does not need to be stated explicitly in the data book as it is inherent to the nature of such tables/charts/nice-little-graphics. What you refer to as "fact" is nothing else as a piece of descriptive statistics (and as such is naturally object of interpretation - both in the process of making same as the process of reading). To derive "real" facts from such a table/chart/whatever there have to be met certain conditions. Unfortunately this is just a piece of crap from a kids comic and they aren´t met. We don´t know shit about the measurement scale, Oda does not even bother to define the different categories he choose (just reread the posts that questioned the "meaning" of STRENGTH)

In short: the gates are wide open for interpretation (in fact you can´t do shit with those numbers without interpreting - due to the sad fact that the author of those charts worked sloppily from an empirical point of view). The really horrible part is, that you seem totally unaware that you are interpreting yourself:sad:.

Ah, this is quite a pain in the ass, as I´m not used to explain rather complex topics in english, if I´m too unclear please get yourself a book on statistics for empirical sciences, if you survive the first sixty pages it will be clear that 6 equals 6, sometimes, under specific conditions ….

For the record:

I do not give a damn who is stronger
None of the "heroes" of this thread owns the truth
The matter is unclear, there are rivaling interpretations of a sloppy chart
the whole debate is horrific stupid as it tries to pull sthg. of of a fantasy manga that is not in it

Nauykuyr

@bedrock:

The attitude with which you guys go into this discussion is annoying me more and more whenever I take a glance at this thread. Everyone of you posseses the ONE and ONLY truth an no one even seems to wonder how the other ones can be so stupid. Well, it´s probably not necessary when I KNOW I´m right… (shudder)

I´ll try to answer your question:
It does not need to be stated explicitly in the data book as it is inherent to the nature of such tables/charts/nice-little-graphics. What you refer to as "fact" is nothing else as a piece of descriptive statistics (and as such is naturally object of interpretation - both in the process of making same as the process of reading). To derive "real" facts from such a table/chart/whatever there have to be met certain conditions. Unfortunately this is just a piece of crap from a kids comic and they aren´t met. We don´t know shit about the measurement scale, Oda does not even bother to define the different categories he choose (just reread the posts that questioned the "meaning" of STRENGTH)

In short: the gates are wide open for interpretation (in fact you can´t do shit with those numbers without interpreting - due to the sad fact that the author of those charts worked sloppily from an empirical point of view). The really horrible part is, that you seem totally unaware that you are interpreting yourself:sad:.

Ah, this is quite a pain in the ass, as I´m not used to explain rather complex topics in english, if I´m too unclear please get yourself a book on statistics for empirical sciences, if you survive the first sixty pages it will be clear that 6 equals 6, sometimes, under specific conditions ….

For the record:

I do not give a damn who is stronger

None of the "heroes" of this thread owns the truth

The matter is unclear, there are rivaling interpretations of a sloppy chart

the whole debate is horrific stupid as it tries to pull sthg. of of a fantasy manga that is not in it

This point has already been made a dozen times before. You're not gonna get Final End to understand.

Angel emfrbl

Hey Bedrock, leave it out, some of us have called an end to this discussion and we just about to reach that point… Please don't throw more wood into the fire.

Final End

The attitude with which you guys go into this discussion is annoying me more and more whenever I take a glance at this thread. Everyone of you posseses the ONE and ONLY truth an no one even seems to wonder how the other ones can be so stupid. Well, it´s probably not necessary when I KNOW I´m right… (shudder)

….....................

I´ll try to answer your question:
It does not need to be stated explicitly in the data book as it is inherent to the nature of such tables/charts/nice-little-graphics. What you refer to as "fact" is nothing else as a piece of descriptive statistics (and as such is naturally object of interpretation - both in the process of making same as the process of reading). To derive "real" facts from such a table/chart/whatever there have to be met certain conditions. Unfortunately this is just a piece of crap from a kids comic and they aren´t met. We don´t know shit about the measurement scale, Oda does not even bother to define the different categories he choose (just reread the posts that questioned the "meaning" of STRENGTH)

Strength? Do you know what that means in an anime or manga.
Oda's chart has Zoro and luffy as equals, that is it…period the end of this debate. Also Oda has said a few times in his sbs that most of the things he does for One piece is not that deep!…..So why the hell do all of you want to add, subtract, abd divide for a simple chart. That is just leting you know that Zoro and luffy are equals, and what up with the rest of the SH crew. It dont matter how Oda made that chart! Fact is Luffy and Zoro are equals......the chart is not a "rough overview" if it was then it would have said that!

In short: the gates are wide open for interpretation (in fact you can´t do shit with those numbers without interpreting - due to the sad fact that the author of those charts worked sloppily from an empirical point of view). The really horrible part is, that you seem totally unaware that you are interpreting yourself:sad:.

See above post…......

Ah, this is quite a pain in the ass, as I´m not used to explain rather complex topics in english, if I´m too unclear please get yourself a book on statistics for empirical sciences, if you survive the first sixty pages it will be clear that 6 equals 6, sometimes, under specific conditions ….

Well under the data books conditions 6 = 6….........

For the record:

I do not give a damn who is stronger

None of the "heroes" of this thread owns the truth

The matter is unclear, there are rivaling interpretations of a sloppy chart

the whole debate is horrific stupid as it tries to pull sthg. of of a fantasy manga that is not in it

Why did you post?

I dont mind people making theorys why Luffy is stronger, or why Zoro is stronger…......Just keep it at that, dont push your theory as facts, because a lil Red Book says they are equals, and the only thing thats going to dismiss that is the yellow book..

AD-HD Pirate

See Bedrock?
It's mission impossible.
Final End aka WHITEBEARD won't listen anyone.

wolfwood

Wow Bedrocks post made the most sense of anything ive read in the entire 41 pages of this topic(and if thats "poorly" explained in english i dont wanna see what kinda brainiac he is in his naitive language) and yet the point went flying over Finals head.

and people really should heed his advise bout the attitude me thinks.

Radical jack

LOL.Omg.final end seems to make me laugh every time he posts.

btw,nice post bedrock.even though it won't get through to some people at all

Nauykuyr

@wolfwood:

Wow Bedrocks post made the most sense of anything ive read in the entire 41 pages of this topic(and if thats "poorly" explained in english i dont wanna see what kinda brainiac he is in his naitive language) and yet the point went flying over Finals head.

He just said what has been stated before. I doubt you guys read the 40 pages, because we've been deconstructing the chart since the very beginning :sad:

wolfwood

have read most of it and yeah i know youve been doing great but that post by Beddy was just pure ownage it got everything right so i just had to compliment him^^.

ONEinchPUNCH

More you people posting cannot change facts from a book written by the author. I've explained my points and none of you have countered, you just use theorys. They don't count as fact, only facts can beat facts.

Maybe one day you people will learn a comic doesn't function like real life, each character is exactly what the author claims them to be. They aren't what you people THINK they are, not everything in a comic follows life.

Final End

@Radical:

LOL.Omg.final end seems to make me laugh every time he posts.

btw,nice post bedrock.even though it won't get through to some people at all

It has been said before…........yet you still pushed your theory why Luffy is stronger then Zoro with a weak argument like "Divide the numbers, and six dont equal six," and agreeing with sabz and saying "fuck the data book im waiting for the manga" when the data book is canon also. as I said in my last post the point is Luffy = Zoro…......Data book is above your theory.

wolfwood

@ONEinchPUNCH:

More you people posting cannot change facts from a book written by the author. I've explained my points and none of you have countered, you just use theorys. They don't count as fact, only facts can beat facts.

gee i thought he would shut you up when he pointed out that you yourself are speculating in that the 6 in strength means fighting capabilitys and not physical strength which it also very well could be since it wasnt clarified, but i suppose it would be hard for you to admit that seeing as how youve been pushing it as a "fact" for so long.

SabZ

@ONEinchPUNCH:

More you people posting cannot change facts from a book written by the author. I've explained my points and none of you have countered, you just use theorys. They don't count as fact, only facts can beat facts.

Maybe one day you people will learn a comic doesn't function like real life, each character is exactly what the author claims them to be. They aren't what you people THINK they are, not everything in a comic follows life.

My counter was a theory that implies the possible real meaning of the fact you're talking about. My theory explained how the chart, the way it is, can be interpretted differently and has ways that don't FULLY prove Luffy = Zoro (e.g. the scale… with maths included).

I don't understand what you mean by the comic following life thing. The chart, was most likely made like most other charts are made in everyday life. I have been asked to do many charts in evaluations, and they always include maths, however I have to do a final copy at the end (dimmed down) so the more presice details do not complicate it.

All I was saying was that the chart isn't good enough to prove Luffy = Zoro, and that we have to wait for a better source of information or better information in general. Replying with "but 6 = 6" is pointless with what I've just said.

Now that I've cleared up what my intentions were, I'm done here for good.

Final End

@wolfwood:

gee i thought he would shut you up when he pointed out that you yourself are speculating in that the 6 in strength means fighting capabilitys and not physical strength which it also very well could be since it wasnt clarified, but i suppose it would be hard for you to admit that seeing as how youve been pushing it as a "fact" for so long.

So I guess when Cell (from DBZ) talks about unmatched strength he means physical??? Huh?? guess whitebeard got his title in a Strong man contest??
Because he can lift the most.

wolfwood

@Final:

So I guess when Cell (from DBZ) talks about unmatched strength he means physical??? Huh?? guess whitebeard got his title in a Strong man contest??
Because he can lift the most.

the point that you cant seem to grasp cause your so full of yourself is that we dont know for sure what it meant,

now im not saying your way of seeing it is wrong its as viable as mine but what i want to get thru to you is that both interpertations are speculation.

ONEinchPUNCH

@wolfwood:

gee i thought he would shut you up when he pointed out that you yourself are speculating in that the 6 in strength means fighting capabilitys and not physical strength which it also very well could be since it wasnt clarified, but i suppose it would be hard for you to admit that seeing as how youve been pushing it as a "fact" for so long.

Oda has shown through the manga with the words "WORLDS STRONGEST MAN (STRENGTH)" that strength indeed means how good a fighter you are. If it didn't mean that whitebeard would just be some strong guy, which is false.

Whitebeard has shown speed, reaction, strength and technique with one slash of his kwon do. Just because one of your theory heroes says otherwise, it doesn't erase the manga's fact of "WORLDS STONGEST (STRENGTH) MAN"

6=6 you cannot say one is stronger than the other, that is speculation. Telling people to divide and subtract is speculation, telling people it is poorly written is speculation, telling people it's a rough overview is speculation.

Now in LIFE it is impossible to be exactly equal to another person, we are all unique. Now in a COMIC the author is GOD he makes a character however strong or equal he pleases. All the facts and even manga hints are there, you lot just won't acknowledge them.

wolfwood

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Oda has shown through the manga with the words "WORLDS STRONGEST MAN (STRENGTH)" that strength indeed means how good a fighter you are. If it didn't mean that whitebeard would just be some strong guy, which is false.

Whitebeard has shown speed, reaction, strength and technique with one slash of his kwon do. Just because one of your theory heroes says otherwise, it doesn't erase the manga's fact of "WORLDS STONGEST (STRENGTH) MAN"

okay so lets do this your way(well actualy finals but what the hey) show me where in the data book is specifys that the strength rating means fighting capabilities and not just strenght just do that small thing and ill admit it as a fact and not a speculation.

as i said above its not that im saying your wrong i just want you to admit that its as much speculation from your part as it is from ours.

Final End

the point that you cant seem to grasp cause your so full of yourself is that we dont know for sure what it meant,

In mangas/animes we all know what strength means….....thats a givin, now if oda was talking about physical wouldnt it be written down in the data book also?

now im not saying your way of seeing it is wrong its as viable as mine but what i want to get thru to you is that both interpertations are speculation.

6 = 6 Oda didnt need to put down fighting ability because in mangas and animes that falls under the word strength.