@access-timeco I gave up on waiting for Logia which is my favorite type.
I understand that Logia is supposed to be lesser in amount, but come on.
I think Paramecia is in the 80s and Zoan at about 50 and Logia is still below 15. I'd be fine with 17 or 18
Guys, a few theories are being thrown around and I gotta say:
either give Loki the serpent fruit or give him the eye-patch. Do not make him a giant one-eyed snake!
I mean, that would be a dick move on Oda's part.
A giant with a T-Rex devil fruit would be dope
@Cockycent said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
@access-timeco I gave up on waiting for Logia which is my favorite type.
I understand that Logia is supposed to be lesser in amount, but come on.
I think Paramecia is in the 80s and Zoan at about 50 and Logia is still below 15. I'd be fine with 17 or 18
That's probably not the reason, since Mythical Zoan were said to even rarer than Logia and yet Oda is showing zero restraint with those.
Maybe it's just hard to think of many natural elements that don't end up overlapping in some way.
He seemingly tried to push the limits with Katakuri when he first said his fruit was a Logia, but ended up having to backtrack and change it to "special paramecia" - probably because Logia is too restrictive with being only "natural" elements.
The thing about mythical zoans is that they are both zoan and either paramecia or quasi-logia. You have the cool animal transformation, often coupled with some mythological motif that makes it look even better, plus all the versatility of some paramecia fruit. While I would like to see non-zoans used more often again, it's hard to expect them for an hyped "legendary devil fruit". Maybe a logia could fit, but I'm struggling to think of an element that would be legendary that hasn't been used yet.
Who do we think the thief is in the cover story?
So Elbaf/Erbaf/Elbaph starts now. It's nice to see the community so enthusiastic, it has been a long time. But arc starts is not where Oda is the weakeast.
I hoped yo see the second part of the crew so I'm happy and I have a Vivi teasing as a bonus. It is hard to say when this will pay off.
Loki presentation is great. It is too early to say if he is that insane giant or if it another of Oda's misleading. I'm curious to understand why there is no king when the previous one is dead. Was there a third prince ?
The final double spread is gorgeous. That sword looks like a mistake, doesn't it ? It is much bigger than Wano's and I fear it will have the same purpose : none
@Kdom said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
That sword looks like a mistake, doesn't it ? It is much bigger than Wano's and I fear it will have the same purpose : none
I'm willing to put it down to Oda's horrible sense of scale, but yes. Anyone large enough to wield it would have to be as tall as the Yggdrasil tree itself, which makes even giants look like ants in comparison. Either we learn eventually that there once existed warrior beings of absolutely colossal proportions (some of the Ancient Weapons ? Mythical creatures pre-dating even the ancient kingdom ?), in which case these swords are leftovers from their battles and a cool foreshadowing, or they're just another whimsical decoration we won't ever hear about.
So in Japan right now. Dunno if it’s the specific region or the entire country, but can’t access the English viz manga site or the manga plus site for an online version of the chapter. Just noting for the irony.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide yeah my understanding was viz manga was US only, but given I can’t access Japan apps for example like One Piece Base which i tried to get while here, thought on my phone I’d be still be able to access either site, but guess not.
Though not having access to the jump sites and the latest chapters in Japan makes total sense.
@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
@Kdom said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
That sword looks like a mistake, doesn't it ? It is much bigger than Wano's and I fear it will have the same purpose : none
I'm willing to put it down to Oda's horrible sense of scale,
In blue are Rodo's castle and the bridge Gerd and Goldberd just crossed.
Giants are ant-sized compared to the sword, no amount of bad scale could compensate for that.
Maybe something Zunesha sized. Maybe. Someone as big as the shadows cast by those in Skypiea.
@access-timeco Probably for Ancient Giants
@Cockycent Ancient Giants aren't that big. Oars wasn't much taller than the Sunny. Oars was like 3-normal-giants tall.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@access-timeco let me rephrase about scale. I agree with your estimation, and that Oda cannot have intended the sword for giants such as we know them.
But if we ever find out who or whatever wields it (Zunisha is an interesting lead, it's clearly the largest creature we've ever met), there will definitely be sooner or later a panel that contradicts the scale shown in this chapter.
@Gizmo said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
So in Japan right now. Dunno if it’s the specific region or the entire country, but can’t access the English viz manga site or the manga plus site for an online version of the chapter. Just noting for the irony.
Thats the japanese governament telling you to buy the physical Jump copy this week.
@Seafarer33 For now, I consider this sword and the Onigashima one to be mere monuments built to be impressive. However, I wouldn't be surprised if we later find out that in the distant past there were colossal god-like entities warring to shape the world or some other mythological explanation.
Im really loving loki's design ngl. Looks cool asf.
Oars ir 67m tall, while Gerd is 17m, so he is nearly 4 times her size. That would make him not even as big as the castle in that image.
If the skull that makes Onigashima belonged to a humanoid creature, though...
So, youtuber Morj released a video about the legendary fruit saying it's a Human Human Fruit Model: Elbaf.
Main argument was that Dorry and Broggy referred to the god that is named Elbaf in Little Garden. Not a god OF elbaf, but a god NAMED Elbaf. At first I thought it was some mistranlsation, so I checked the official polish transaltion I have and it also does use "god (named) Elbaf". Nice catch. We're probably getting a battle of Gods this arc. Nika vs Elbaf.
@Cockycent Good point, lol.
I still think it would be THAT big, but depending on the DF it could grow to colossal sides.
There are many possibilities for the DF stolen by Loki. I would love to see a powerful logia, but I’m having a hard time thinking of elements for new logia fruits. It could also be a mythical beast which, similar to how Yamato’s fruit represent the guardian of Wano, could represent the guardian of Elbaf.
Other options are: is the fruit passed down through generations in the sense of it being stored or eaten by kings? If the old king had eaten the fruit, it would be explained why Loki had to kill his father to grab it. But I’m inclined to think they kept it hidden, waiting for the Sun God to arrive. It would be too much trouble making sure the fruit spawned nearby (and it could even spawn on other islands, we aren’t sure of how it works!).
Im pretty sure that it will be a zoan type fruit. especially a mythical one since thats the rarest type of fruit.
Logia would be a hard one as discussed earlier.
ODA FORGOT ABOUT PARAMECIA TYPE FRUITS
@trollatron786 said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
Im pretty sure that it will be a zoan type fruit. especially a mythical one since thats the rarest type of fruit.
The irony is that currently there are more mythical zoans than logias, despite it being stated mythical zoans were even rarer.
@trollatron786 said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
ODA FORGOT ABOUT PARAMECIA TYPE FRUITS
Which is why I want the Big Mom Pirates to return. So many interesting paramecias that hadn't been properly displayed... Smoothie, Mont'dor, Galette, Oven, possibly Compotte... Heck, I'd love to see Brulee in a real fight.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@trollatron786 SWORD, Blackbeard Pirates, Vegapunk. He's added quite a few in Egghead.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
The irony is that currently there are more mythical zoans than logias, despite it being stated mythical zoans were even rarer.
I think its a problem of shonen in general, near the end we start seeing all the rare stuff w/o consideration to their rarity just because its cool.
Not that I mind tho, cause i enjoy it too. So, Im being a hypocrite.
Fans of the previous concept art that showed a “bigger” Loki can expect that he became skinny for being chained for too long. Maybe after Luffy releases him Loki will go on a meat eating binge and regain his weight. Maybe Luffy frees him BECAUSE he promises him a big meat feast.
@Chams-0 said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
Fans of the previous concept art that showed a “bigger” Loki can expect that he became skinny for being chained for too long. Maybe after Luffy releases him Loki will go on a meat eating binge and regain his weight. Maybe Luffy frees him BECAUSE he promises him a big meat feast.
I'm not sure there was ever a concept Loki. It was just a generic enough sillhouette that Oda inserted in since he probably didn't have a final design ready yet.
I think Oda is going for the typical trickster devil look here, so it makes sense to have Loki be lanky.
I mean, there's a silhouette of Loki that's lot more round and looks nothing like him literally the page before he's introduced this chapter. I think that's just how Oda draws generic giant silhouettes. All the giants in the background from when Chiffon explained the marriage look like that, too.
I'm a bit more on the side of "It was just a generic sillhoutte" but we could also take into account that Loki was younger.
I mean, ignoring the possible he got skinny after being chained theory, we could also see him changing through the flashbacks, bit like Coby.
And he did wear a crown, instead of his helmet.
Again that could be just a simply way to show that random sillouette was the prince, but I think it's flashback material.
@FolhaS He started hitting the gym after getting rejected, then.
I wonder what does Saul think of all of this. It is implied he's here with the books.
Any chance Big Mom Pirates or Cross Guild show up this arc?
They both have connections here, Big Mom Pirates had the whole marriage between Loki and Lola that didn’t end up happening and Cross Guild originally had all five members of the new giant pirates as crew members before they quit to join Luffy and they strangely weren’t shown in between egg head and Elbaf arcs
Also I hope Urouge shows up this arc, he’s the only supernova who hasn’t been around for a whole arc, the guy needs some love
@Shiebs said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
Any chance Big Mom Pirates or Cross Guild show up this arc?
Big Mom Pirates, I think so.
Cross Guild, I feel the major factions that got some highlight last arc (Cross Guild, Shanks, Blackbeard, Revolutionary Army, World Government) won't be a part in this.
@Shiebs said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
Also I hope Urouge shows up this arc
I mean, every arc we get closer to the end, the more likely is for Urouge to appear and do something, so...
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
Silhouettes don't mean much in this series.
Even first appearances don't mean much. Characters like Moria got tweaked after his first partial reveal to later have spikey teeth.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
@Shiebs said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
Any chance Big Mom Pirates or Cross Guild show up this arc?
Big Mom Pirates, I think so.
Cross Guild, I feel the major factions that got some highlight last arc (Cross Guild, Shanks, Blackbeard, Revolutionary Army, World Government) won't be a part in this.
@Shiebs said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
Also I hope Urouge shows up this arc
I mean, every arc we get closer to the end, the more likely is for Urouge to appear and do something, so...
Im the opposite, I believe we are done with Big Mom pirates and its the guys who got focus that will turn up on Elbaf
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
@kevo_koma Oda’s style is to set up things esrly that will only pay-off much later. It’s not unusual for plot threads to start on an arc, skip the next one (or several ones) and only return way after.
The Reverie, for instance, was teased after Deessrosa and Zou, but only came about after Whole Cake, then it skipped Wano, and was finally fully resolved in Egghead.
So, if an Egghead plot has no lead-up to Elbaph, then I doubt it will matter there. Blackbeard will be busy with Wano and Fishman Island, the World Government chose to not pursue the Straw Hats, the Revolutionary Army has no interest in Elbaph, Cross Guild had no lead-in to it and it feels it’s still organizing itself, it’s not ready to act. Even Vivi’s status is on hold since her message failed to reach its targets for now.
Meanwhile, the Big Mom Pirates’ status are a dangling plot thread that has been on hold for a while and have a connection to both Elbaph and Loki. So, I’d bet on it becoming relevant now more than any of the other discussed factions.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
Loki giving Luffy the beginning of Wano, Kaido beat down would be sso funny. A giant just spanking Mr. Liberation to start the arc would be the best laugh.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
Meanwhile, the Big Mom Pirates’ status are a dangling plot thread that has been on hold for a while and have a connection to both Elbaph and Loki. So, I’d bet on it becoming relevant now more than any of the other discussed factions.
Only Big Mom and Lola/Chiffon had any connection with Elbaph. I would think Katakuri and Co. are far more concerned about Pudding's kidnapping (who's beloved around all Totto Land), especially since that event also left Cracker on literal ice.
@King-Cannon First, we don't know if Big Mom is alive or not. She may very well be, and it's plausible Smoothie and the others located her with her Vivre Card and rescue her before leaving Wano.
Second, even if Linlin is dead and gone, the Big Mom Pirates need to secure their position in the world without her. They still have most of their crew, with many top officers never seeing real fights in the story, and territory, that is now under attack because they lost their Emperor status and have been twice invaded recently. As such, it makes sense that they may seek allies, and someone like Loki, of which the elder siblings probably have heard of, if not met, could provide them major power, as long as they find a way to mend their relationship. What better way to do so than freeing him?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
As such, it makes sense that they may seek allies, and someone like Loki, of which the elder siblings probably have heard of, if not met, could provide them major power, as long as they find a way to mend their relationship. What better way to do so than freeing him?
On the other hand, it is well possible the Big Mom Pirates' knowledge of Loki amounts to "he nearly became Lola's betrothed a decade ago", period. Based on what we currently know, there has not been any further contact with giants after the aborted wedding, so they may be ignorant of the trouble brewing in Elbaf and Loki's detention. Or that he has a legendary Devil Fruit.
Not that it matters. As far as I'm concerned, I would much rather the Charlotte siblings stayed far from Elbaf and focused on consolidating their territory or rescuing Pudding. They already had their time in the spotlight and with Oda's natural tendancy to clutter arcs, one less crew cannot hurt.
@Seafarer33 said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
On the other hand, it is well possible the Big Mom Pirates' knowledge of Loki amounts to "he nearly became Lola's betrothed a decade ago", period.
The Big Mom Pirates, renowned by their intelligence network, probably have way more information than that.
I can't really see the Big Mom Pirates being a major antagonist threat again when the Straw Hats very categorically beat the Beasts Pirates two arcs ago. To the point all Straw Hats sans Chopper now have higher bounties than the likes of Oven and Daifuku.
They wouldn't really feel like a "next level" threat. Even Smoothie is not that special anymore since Robin is close to her in bounty. And I do not see Oda giving Katakuri another fight when his one against Luffy was already as long as it is.
@King-Cannon said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
I can't really see the Big Mom Pirates being a major antagonist threat again when the Straw Hats very categorically beat the Beasts Pirates two arcs ago. To the point all Straw Hats sans Chopper now have higher bounties than the likes of Oven and Daifuku.
They wouldn't really feel like a "next level" threat. Even Smoothie is not that special anymore since Robin is close to her in bounty. And I do not see Oda giving Katakuri another fight when his one against Luffy was already as long as it is.
Who do you think will assist Loki as the villain of this arc? There’s usually more than one villain
I was hoping the Holy Knights might show up, but it might be too soon for them
The Big Mom Pirates showing up doesn't mean they're the antagonists again, or at least the way they were before.
Big Mom was defeated. For a awhile in the beggining of Wano I though BM could become a recurring villain/threat, but she was dealt with at the end of the arc.
But that doesn't mean she and her crew aren't coming back into the story. They can easily play the same role Crocodile played in Impel Down, a reluctant ally that may cause/will cause problems in the future but for now it's a contained threat.
@King-Cannon Bounties mean nothing, what’s important is how much trouble they can give. Oven alone was taking hits like crazy and kept going while disabling fishmen at sea. These guys can give trouble to any Straw Hat below the 1 bil bounty range.
Besides, not all of them need to have 1v1 fights, most can be early- or mid-arc threats. And you also have Smoothie who’s a commander with over 900 mil bounty, and other unknowns like the first daughter Compotte, with no known powers or bounty, but said to have an impressive record.
I also see the Big Mom Pirates not as main villains. They are needed mostly to bolster Loki’s forces and set things moving.
As for the comparison with Beasts Pirates, I always felt the BM crew was way more impressive due to the array of abilities and the number of powered individuals.
The thing to consider is that Oda left a good chunk of the BM Pirates still active for some reason, and I see no better arc to tie that dangling plot thread than Elbaf.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
@King-Cannon Bounties mean nothing, what’s important is how much trouble they can give. Oven alone was taking hits like crazy and kept going while disabling fishmen at sea. These guys can give trouble to any Straw Hat below the 1 bil bounty range.
Robin and Franky beat two pirates with bounties over 400 billion. Even if bounties "don't mean anything", it doesn't mean they don't have a point either. Oda pretty clearly uses them to set up expectations.
Case in point, he went on to "correct" Dorry & Brogy's bounties, because 100 million didn't reflect their strength anymore. Doesn't seem like he took "bounties don't mean anything" here, otherwise he could've just let the giants remain with their old prices.
It's difficult to think that just because someone like Oven can "give trouble" means he would be a worthy adversary. Oda already set up an expectation where a guy like that would fall in terms of threat by giving him a bounty that he likely never thought much of. Franky beat a 472 million triceratops, why should I look forward for him against Oven, Daifuku and so on? Franky is the Emperor crewmate now. He's not the underdog in this confrontation.
Like, who in the Big Mom Pirates besides Katakuri can really challenge the SH that are in the billions? Even ignoring the prices, Zoro and Sanji already proved they can beat people that in theory are far stronger. Jinbe is also in that category.
And I know very well that Oda won't reuse Katakuri, Cracker and Perospero since those characters already had their due. That only really leaves Smoothie as the "ignored" BM Pirate that has an impressive bounty.
Besides, not all of them need to have 1v1 fights, most can be early- or mid-arc threats. And you also have Smoothie who’s a commander with over 900 mil bounty, and other unknowns like the first daughter Compotte, with no known powers or bounty, but said to have an impressive record.
I agree that Smoothie could use more screentime, but I don't really see her pulling Loki's weight by herself.
Like, you have four people in the SH's crew that are worth more than Smoothie. And a fifth that's only 2 million below her. She's not really giving major danger vibes if she's supposed to fight any of the above.
I also see the Big Mom Pirates not as main villains. They are needed mostly to bolster Loki’s forces and set things moving.
Oda can just give Loki his own faction. Seems like a much simpler way to do things.
As for the comparison with Beasts Pirates, I always felt the BM crew was way more impressive due to the array of abilities and the number of powered individuals.
BM crew was "more impressive" because they weren't dealing with a whole army of fighters, but rather a small alliance of rebels. They really only fought an actual army when the SH were already safe, but by then, a lot had already been foiled.
Like, Oda probably didn't give much thought to most of the BM Pirates' abilities, since a lot of them boil down to "control food". Some like Perospero and Cracker are arguably repeats of the same concept even.
A few like Mont'dor's are creative, but they are rare compared to butter girl, cream man, and so on. They don't really seem like interesting powers to show in extended fights.
@Deicide said in Chapter 1130: The Accursed Prince:
I see a lot of people comparing Loki’s situation to Zoro’s introduction, but they forget Luffy didn’t free Zoro immediately, he first judged Zoro’s character. It was only after talking to Zoro, seeing Zoro eat Rika’s riceball and finally learning the truth from Rika and Helmeppo that Luffy decided to free him.
And you seem to forget that we've not seen Luffy for quite a while now. Strawhat Goku, one piece protagonist for the last decade or so, only cares about being given food and fighting big stronk men.
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