I just realized that Elbaf has a Sun God connection, going by what Carmel said. So maybe Bonney would sail with Luffy by the end of Egghead in order to go to Elbaf and better understand Nika.
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@electricmastro said in Official Egghead Thread:
I just realized that Elbaf has a Sun God connection, going by what Carmel said. So maybe Bonney would sail with Luffy by the end of Egghead in order to go to Elbaf and better understand Nika.
Loki for next Nakama
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In an alternate timeline, we're at Egghead and Paulie is yelling at Robin for having her whole ass out.
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God I really wanna find that fic that takes alternate joining further - Kuina is alive and training while Zoro died, Kaya joins as a prospective doctor while Usopp left with his dad, Gin joins instead of Sanji, etc.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Official Egghead Thread:
In an alternate timeline, we're at Egghead and Paulie is yelling at Robin for having her whole ass out.
I still don't think Paulie will join even though may had said they wanted him to.
I hope he still gets to reunite with them at some point though.
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Do you guys think Elbaf is the next arc? Or is Oda toying with us
He does like to make it seem your going one way and then pull the rug out from under you
Like with drum island or punk hazard
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@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Do you guys think Elbaf is the next arc? Or is Oda toying with us
He does like to make it seem your going one way and then pull the rug out from under you
Like with drum island or punk hazard
I don't see any bigger compelling reason why not at this point.
The only reason I can think of is if Luffy appeals to Vegapunk and Bonney if they want to go somewhere else next. Luffy's goal is to get them out of Egghead safely after all, so giving them a ride somewhere I think would fit into that.
It's like Yamato caring about Wano. Yamato always cared about Wano, so seeing Momo's failure was a logical progression of her character into staying. So for Bonney at least, maybe she'd ask for Luffy to take her to Sorbet since Sorbet means a lot to her too, and would lead to them turning to South Blue to accomplish that.
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I think Elbaf kind of has to be next. There are a lot of signs pointing towards it like Saul seemingly being there with all the Ohara books, it being close by according to Vegapunk. It's connection with Shanks (and Kid presumably being there) and we can't have that many arcs left in the story and Elbaf is one of the only arcs we absolutely have to get before the series end (the other being Laugh Tale itself).
Also, if you believe in the parallel stories theory, Egghead is the post-timeskip parallel to Saboady (dealing with Kizaru and Kuma and potentially having Luffy punch another Celestial Dragon, this time a more important one) which means the next arc has to be a parallel to Amazon Lilly, an arc focused on a unique tribe of warrior people unaffiliated with the World Government that end up as allies of the Straw Hats by the end of it. That sounds like Elbaf to me.
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It seems we won't have a break after Chapter 1100.
So, either I got the holiday breaks wrong, and JUMP won't come out in Dec 17th and Dec 31st, or we will get 4 chapters in a row (1099-1102, and the year ends in Ch 1103).
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@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Do you guys think Elbaf is the next arc? Or is Oda toying with us
He does like to make it seem your going one way and then pull the rug out from under you
Like with drum island or punk hazard
Oda is speedrunning the story now.
I can 92% guarantee we are not going to be diverting from the main path anymore.
Its definitely Elbaf next.
I just don't see Oda wanting to do this for much longer. Its been nearly two decades, stuck in an office, chain smoking and drawing one manga.
It just seems like he's kinda done with this whole thing.
I'm actually bummed that we might never see him draw anything new. -
Nearly three decades you mean.
And the man loves drawing too much to stop completely, I just wouldn't expect a new series from him. He'll go the Toriyama route for sure and become a character designer, with the occasional one-shot if he feels like it. Also you know that even when the manga ends and the anime ends, they'll still do more One Piece, whether it be movies or spin-offs, and Oda will probably do some drawings for those.
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@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Do you guys think Elbaf is the next arc? Or is Oda toying with us
He does like to make it seem your going one way and then pull the rug out from under you
Like with drum island or punk hazard
Oda is speedrunning the story now.
People have been saying this since Egghead started last year,
and we're still on Egghead. lol
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@black-leg-jex Oda’s done a great job of setting up a world where pretty much any story he wants to draw can take place—I think he’s even said as much—so I can easily imagine him going the GRRM route and writing shorter side stories and histories that continue to explore that world when he’s finished with the main story.* I do kind of wonder if he’s gotten tired of writing the straw hats, though, given how out of focus they’ve been in most new world arcs.
*not that George ever finished the main story
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@Allspice said in Official Egghead Thread:
@black-leg-jex Oda’s done a great job of setting up a world where pretty much any story he wants to draw can take place—I think he’s even said as much—so I can easily imagine him going the GRRM route and writing shorter side stories and histories that continue to explore that world when he’s finished with the main story.* I do kind of wonder if he’s gotten tired writing the straw hats, though, given how out of focus they’ve been in most new world arcs.
*not that George ever finished the main story
I think it's more so the world and its events have gotten so big that they need more attention so as to give the Straw Hats better things to work with.
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How would you guys describe Saturn’s relationship to Egghead Island?
He’s the Warrior God of Science and Defense, so is he like the overseer, or keeper in charge of it?
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@electricmastro I would say such areas like Egghead and Punk Hazard are under the supervision of a Ministry of Science which is headed by Saturn.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I would say such areas like Egghead and Punk Hazard are under the supervision of a Ministry of Science which is headed by Saturn.
And doing that opens to the possibility of how many other science-related islands he’s supervising due to his role with science.
He might even have some involvement in supervising Drum Island due to it having some of the best doctors around for example.
I suppose he could be supervising some weather islands too.
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@electricmastro I would suppose as Head of Justice, that Enies Lobby and Impel Down would fall under Warcury's portfolio, as well.
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@Johnny-B-Decent said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I would suppose as Head of Justice, that Enies Lobby and Impel Down would fall under Warcury's portfolio, as well.
Places like Enies Lobby, Impel Down, Marineford, and maybe is even the main public face of Mary Geoise itself.
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@electricmastro I would say Marineford would be under a Defense Ministry type, as the Marines are the WG's army.
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I think Saturn getting defeated at Egghead really depends on how Luffy's relationship with Bonney will fare out. Luffy defeated Crocodile for Vivi, defeated Doflamingo for Law, defeated Kaido for Momo, so if Bonney is the Vivi of this arc, then we could expect Saturn to get defeated soon.
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@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Do you guys think Elbaf is the next arc? Or is Oda toying with us
He does like to make it seem your going one way and then pull the rug out from under you
Like with drum island or punk hazard
Oda is speedrunning the story now.
I can 92% guarantee we are not going to be diverting from the main path anymore.
Its definitely Elbaf next.
I just don't see Oda wanting to do this for much longer. Its been nearly two decades, stuck in an office, chain smoking and drawing one manga.
It just seems like he's kinda done with this whole thing.
I'm actually bummed that we might never see him draw anything new.The true loss is the complete reduction of fun crew interactions due to its streamlining of events. And I agree that elbaf is the next destination, but the question is really how we will arrive there. Will we get ported via Kuma's paws, use VP's technology or a coup de burst? Maybe we will even go over the White Sea and reach Elbaf by climbing down Yggdrasil.
As for Oda's post OP career and potential spinoffs: I hope that if he returns for a shorter oneshot manga, he fully embraces the gritty, realistic look he sometimes displays during the small volume cover avatars. A single volume sized oneshot that goes full Seinen with realistic artwork could be something very unique.
Likewise, OP does not need sequels like Boruto or DBSuper that trample on its legacy. If anything, there should be spinoffs that detail the adventures of another crew that mainly just show other parts of the world. Let's take a ragtag crew from one of the other Blues and let them journey to the Grand Line as well, taking another path than the Strawhats and eventually ending up at Sabaody.
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@Nidhoeggr said in Official Egghead Thread:
@kevo_koma said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Do you guys think Elbaf is the next arc? Or is Oda toying with us
He does like to make it seem your going one way and then pull the rug out from under you
Like with drum island or punk hazard
Oda is speedrunning the story now.
I can 92% guarantee we are not going to be diverting from the main path anymore.
Its definitely Elbaf next.
I just don't see Oda wanting to do this for much longer. Its been nearly two decades, stuck in an office, chain smoking and drawing one manga.
It just seems like he's kinda done with this whole thing.
I'm actually bummed that we might never see him draw anything new.The true loss is the complete reduction of fun crew interactions due to its streamlining of events.
I think we've had plenty fun moments with the crew. I think Bonney tagging along will make things even more fun with how she's about as fun as Luffy is.
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@electricmastro I wonder how the fact that Bonney is 12 will change their relationship... At 24 Bonney was like a big sister to Luffy, but at 12 she should be more like a little sister.
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@danie said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I wonder how the fact that Bonney is 12 will change their relationship... At 24 Bonney was like a big sister to Luffy, but at 12 she should be more like a little sister.
Seemed seemed to act like the little sister in the first place given her early arc lunch and being a crying daddy’s girl Luffy had to save.
I imagine the Nika connection would change things up a bit though.
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Colorspread drawing timelapse for Ch 1101. Since this is in the official Oda staff account I think it's not a problem to post here, right?
Interesting that at some point Oda went for Robin/Brook/Franky/Jinbe drawings. I feel we may see those ideas coming back later.
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This flashback I think slowly been turning from
Kuma’s flashback to Bonney’s.Do many still feel Oda will just write her to be like Rebecca? Because I’m not getting that feeling.
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@electricmastro I expect the tail end of the flashback to show some events from Bonney's perspective. This is still Kuma's flashback, it's 95% about him. Of course Bonney still has her own story and will get her own moments, but she's not the main actor.
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When do you guys think the Holy Knights will come into play?
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@Shiebs Probably after Egghead. I guess they'll attack the Revolutionary Army.
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BTW: Something to keep in mind on how Oda works mysteries. In Chapter 1101, we find out that Kuma went to Windmill Village to see Luffy. We then get a flashback to around 9 years prior, when Kuma finds out Luffy is Dragon's son.
Oda often does this "out of order" storytelling, by ommiting information when it should be chronologically revealed, only to use devices such as flashbacks (even within flashbacks) to reveal it when the story needs it instead. If Oda were to just show events in chronological order, Kuma finding out Dragon has a son would have happened in Ch 1098. Instead, the information was kept hidden from the reader and was used in Ch 1101 to explain Ch 1100's cliffhanger.
I think there's still a lot of information waiting to be revealed in that manner. Including Kuma's connection to Amazon Lily.
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At this rate, I don't really see how Amazon Lily has any importance in Kuma's life. It just feels like one of those "interesting places" he wanted to show Bonney someday. Sending Luffy there would leave an obvious route back to Sabaody if he knew former Empress Shakky lived with Rayleigh.
Which brings me the question on why he though the satanist country was a good place to bring her daughter to.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
BTW: Something to keep in mind on how Oda works mysteries. In Chapter 1101, we find out that Kuma went to Windmill Village to see Luffy. We then get a flashback to around 9 years prior, when Kuma finds out Luffy is Dragon's son.
Oda often does this "out of order" storytelling, by ommiting information when it should be chronologically revealed, only to use devices such as flashbacks (even within flashbacks) to reveal it when the story needs it instead. If Oda were to just show events in chronological order, Kuma finding out Dragon has a son would have happened in Ch 1098. Instead, the information was kept hidden from the reader and was used in Ch 1101 to explain Ch 1100's cliffhanger.
I think there's still a lot of information waiting to be revealed in that manner. Including Kuma's connection to Amazon Lily.
Maybe he realized Rayleigh had a connection with Shakky, and put it together that he had a connection to Amazon Lily as a result.
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@electricmastro Everything points to Kuma and Rayleigh not knowing each other personally before the events in Sabaody.
In Ch 513, Kuma said to Rayleigh: "You must be Rayleigh, the Dark King."
In Ch 591, we see what else Kuma said to Rayleigh in that encounter: "I'm a leader of the Revolutionary Army. I want to help the Straw Hats escape this place."
None of that would be required if they knew each other.
Plus, Rayleigh's answer to this is in Ch 513 is: "You expect me to believe you are the real Kuma?". However, I found the official translation weird, so I checked scanlations at the time I happen to have and they translated it as: "And are you expecting me to believe what you say?". ALso, Stephen's old translation has it as: "And you want me... to take your word for it?".
Anyway, Kuma's retort is: "That's up to you."
Chapter 591 shows Kuma returns later to Rayleigh in Shakky's bar: "I apologize for being abrupt earlier. Let me explain myself. I don't have much time left."
Nothing in that shows any prior interaction between the two, so why and how would Kuma make a decision to send the most important member of the crew and son of his conrade to a completely unknown location?
The simplest answer is that Kuma sent Luffy to an island he personally knew just like he sent every other Straw Hat to a place he personally knew. Why would he endanger Luffy among the entire crew?
Now, when did Kuma go to Amazon Lily? And why would he think Luffy would be fine there? Well, those are the questions that we need to think about.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Everything points to Kuma and Rayleigh not knowing each other personally before the events in Sabaody.
In Ch 513, Kuma said to Rayleigh: "You must be Rayleigh, the Dark King."
In Ch 591, we see what else Kuma said to Rayleigh in that encounter: "I'm a leader of the Revolutionary Army. I want to help the Straw Hats escape this place."
None of that would be required if they knew each other.
Plus, Rayleigh's answer to this is in Ch 513 is: "You expect me to believe you are the real Kuma?". However, I found the official translation weird, so I checked scanlations at the time I happen to have and they translated it as: "And are you expecting me to believe what you say?". ALso, Stephen's old translation has it as: "And you want me... to take your word for it?".
Anyway, Kuma's retort is: "That's up to you."
Chapter 591 shows Kuma returns later to Rayleigh in Shakky's bar: "I apologize for being abrupt earlier. Let me explain myself. I don't have much time left."
Nothing in that shows any prior interaction between the two, so why and how would Kuma make a decision to send the most important member of the crew and son of his conrade to a completely unknown location?
The simplest answer is that Kuma sent Luffy to an island he personally knew just like he sent every other Straw Hat to a place he personally knew. Why would he endanger Luffy among the entire crew?
Now, when did Kuma go to Amazon Lily? And why would he think Luffy would be fine there? Well, those are the questions that we need to think about.
I mean, Kuma doesn't even need to have necessarily met Rayleigh personally.
We know that Gloriosa and Rayleigh met at least 38 years ago, because they were both at God Valley.
So possibly either through seeing Shakky or somehow knowing Rayleigh and Gloriosa have some connection, Kuma could have sent Luffy to Amazon Luffy based on even a vague idea of some connection.
We know that Gloriosa and Rayleigh helped rescue Hancock from slavery 15 years ago, so maybe some slaves who also escaped saw that and happened to meet with Kuma, who told him what they saw upon talking about the subject of freeing slaves in general.
I dunno, if you can come up with a better answer that doesn't involve Kuma hearing some rumor of Rayleigh having a connection with Shakky or Gloriosa, then I'd like to hear it.
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@electricmastro Don't you see how convoluted the explanation becomes when you try to break a direct connection between Amazon Lily and Kuma?
You are assuming:
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That Kuma saw Shakky with Rayleigh (when? where?), reckognized her as a Kuja empress (how? Just a reminder that Shakky left the position before Kuma even became a Revolutionary), or
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Some random slaves saw Gloriosa and Rayleigh helping a random slave girl (because Hancock was not famous) and for some reason told that to Kuma. And they reckognized the Empress Hancock as that slave girl as well. Notice that this entire lore is secret to pretty much everyone in the One Piece world, but these random slaves managed to have it and to tell Kuma of all people for... reasons.
And on top of that, you assume Kuma chose Amazon Lily because of these very very vague ties to Rayleigh, a man he was probably meeting for the first time. And then proceeded to not straight up tell Rayleigh Luffy was sent to Amazon Lily, because in Ch 591 Rayleigh says he deduced Luffy's destination because Kuma gave him the direction he had sent Luffy, and he had to confirm it by retracing Hancock's path before the war.
So, you conclusion is that Kuma sent Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, and Franky all to places he had personally been and knew would benefit them. But Luffy? The son of his conrade? The captain of the crew? He sent to a hostile land stranded in the most dangerous sea in the world, a land ruled by one of the most unreasonable Warlords, known for hating men, where he'd be a hunted criminal by a tribe that knows haki, all because he deduced that land had some vague ties to a man he didn't even know personally before that day?
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs Probably after Egghead. I guess they'll attack the Revolutionary Army.
It makes sense for them to go after the revolutionaries since they already said as much when Sabo returned
But that means we won’t see them until the Straw Hats meet the revolutionaries, since there’s no way they clash without the Straw Hats present
But they might also go after the Straw Hats if they take out Saturn I was thinking
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@Shiebs I think they may be introduced like the Seraphim, in an inter-arc event, and then return with more significance and screen time in the following arc.
I guess Oda's going to use them as foes to the Revolutionary Army or other active groups like Cross Guild, but it's not impossible for some of them to fight the Straw Hats. There could be both nameless and important ones, with different roles.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
So, you conclusion is that Kuma sent Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, and Franky all to places he had personally been and knew would benefit them. But Luffy? The son of his conrade? The captain of the crew? He sent to a hostile land stranded in the most dangerous sea in the world, a land ruled by one of the most unreasonable Warlords, known for hating men, where he'd be a hunted criminal by a tribe that knows haki, all because he deduced that land had some vague ties to a man he didn't even know personally before that day?
I don't see why not?
Let's not beat around the bush. You are desperately trying to make this arc about Hancock and Amazon Lily when it's not. Kuma sending the SH to all those different places were clear gambles, seeing that in the case of Brook for example, there were unforeseen consequences that ended up benefitial, but were likely not planned. I'm particularly not sure why sending Luffy to Amazon Lily is any more important than sending Zoro to Mihawk's place, especially since Shakky did predict Luffy could charm Hancock anyway. Why couldn't Kuma make a similar prediction?
Plus, he knew Luffy was raised in a hostile jungle, so surviving Amazon Lily wouldn't be beyond his capabilities.
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@King-Cannon said in Official Egghead Thread:
"didn't know Luffy personally"
I'm talking about Rayleigh, Luffy. "all because he deduced that land had some vague ties to a man he didn't even know personally before that day"
@King-Cannon said in Official Egghead Thread:
Kuma sending the SH to all those different places were clear gambles, seeing that in the case of Brook
You are basically taking 7 of 9 cases as exceptional and the other 2 as the rule. Just because you don't know yet why Brook was sent to that island doesn't mean it wasn't visited by Kuma nor had any reason behind it.
Really, concluding Kuma and Amazon Lily have some sort of connection is like summing 2 and 2 now. Kuma wanted to save the Straw Hats, and chose their destinations for specific reasons. It wasn't random at all.
@King-Cannon said in Official Egghead Thread:
He knew Luffy was raised in a hostile jungle, so surviving Amazon Lily wouldn't be beyond his capabilities.
The jungle was the least of Luffy's problems in Amazon Lily. The crazy man-hating empress (who was a Warlord no less), the haki-wielding women-only tribe and the freaking Calm Belt are far greater obstacles.
Also, by just assuming he sent Luffy to Amazon Lily because he could survive in the jungle, you are implying Kuma knew there were jungles in Amazon Lily...
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
Also, by just assuming he sent Luffy to Amazon Lily because he could survive in the jungle, you are implying Kuma knew there were jungles in Amazon Lily...
Yes. He could have visited the place as part of his Warlord activities. And because he was interested in seeing new places to tell Bonney about them.
Doesn't mean he interacted with anyone there. I'm sure he didn't interact with Mihawk back at Kuraigana.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
You are basically taking 7 of 9 cases as exceptional and the other 2 as the rule. Just because you don't know yet why Brook was sent to that island doesn't mean it wasn't visited by Kuma nor had any reason behind it.
If there are any connections, they are likely superficial. By his last appearance in this chapter, we know Kuma isn't interacting with people anymore, so it's unlikely that he will suddenly become BFFs with the Kuja in the next chapters.
None of the Kuja were acting like they were expecting Luffy anyway.
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@King-Cannon This very chapter showed how Kuma had learned about Luffy 9 years before, a fact that was skipped earlier. I'm sure Kuma visited Amazon Lily during his search for Bonney's cure, just like with all the other islands. The story just didn't care to show it.
Really, I can't understand how you can see the story giving us information that he visited all sort of places and personally knew the destinations of the Straw Hats, and can't figure out that there's a reason Amazon Lily was specifically chosen as Luffy's destination.
@King-Cannon said in Official Egghead Thread:
None of the Kuja were acting like they were expecting Luffy anyway.
Why should they? I doubt Kuma visited there more than once, and the decision to save the Straw Hats only came when the Straw Hats needed to be saved.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@King-Cannon I'm sure Kuma visited Amazon Lily during his search for Bonney's cure, just like with all the other islands. The story just didn't care to show it.
Probably because it is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
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@King-Cannon Nothing is unimportant in One Piece. Especially when it concerns the main character.
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@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
Really, I can't understand how you can see the story giving us information that he visited all sort of places and personally knew the destinations of the Straw Hats, and can't figure out that there's a reason Amazon Lily was specifically chosen as Luffy's destination.
Amazon Lily is very close to Rusukaina, so if Kuma was expecting Luffy to grow stronger, it would make sense to send him to a place with a similar environment to Mt. Colubo.
If Shakky can randomly guess Luffy has enough charisma to bring Hancock to his side, then Kuma is allowed to make the same prediction. Luffy only needed someone who could teach him Haki (high chances of that in Amazon Lily), but Rayleigh ended up being that one because he figured out Luffy's location from the direction of Kuma's pushing (again, another random guess since Luffy could've gone anywhere in a particular direction).
Like, we have Shakky and Rayleigh making those heavily random predictions, but Kuma is not allowed the same? He needs a secret connection from nowhere instead?
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@King-Cannon
Shakky and Rayleigh can make those predictions because (1) Kuma told them the direction he sent Luffy, (2) they both know Hancock personally, and (3) Shakky also suffered through love sickness, and knew the empress before her who also suffered through it.So, are you saying Kuma knew Hancock personally as well?
@King-Cannon said in Official Egghead Thread:
Amazon Lily is very close to Rusukaina, so if Kuma was expecting Luffy to grow stronger, it would make sense to send him to a place with a similar environment to Mt. Colubo.
Kuma didn't send Luffy to Rusukaina, he sent him to Amazon Lily. The decision to train Luffy in Rusukaina was Rayleigh's.
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I would think Kuma simply thought it would serve Luffy well to go to an island of haki users... Just like he would think it would serve Zoro well to learn from Mihawk... Of course he didn't know it would go well. It was a gamble.
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@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs Probably after Egghead. I guess they'll attack the Revolutionary Army.
It makes sense for them to go after the revolutionaries since they already said as much when Sabo returned
But that means we won’t see them until the Straw Hats meet the revolutionaries, since there’s no way they clash without the Straw Hats present
But they might also go after the Straw Hats if they take out Saturn I was thinking
I figure Vegapunk would want to meet up with Dragon, so maybe they could meet up at Elbaf.