I can't really think Yamato has anything useful in the way of nautical, mirroring her idol. I guess she's the crew's Combatant?
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That or Chronicler would fit.
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The assembled crew in that one battle spread is how Oda envisioned the full crew when he started the manga.
That's almost verbatim from a conversation we had.
And the nice thing about it, is the possibility it holds.
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Law confirmed that he will be around until the yonkous fall so he can know what D. is all about. Has his sad flashback, well two. And his crew is so weak it's like oda is hinting that these guys are bound to die.
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The expectation of another nakama is not only about the "i need 10 nakama" statement.
It´s about Oda stating in interviews that new nakama would join consecutively.One example (and i think we can trust sandman on the translation):
"I think I can keep drawing in next decade and we will get new nakama successively." China Times (2014)Which is why, especially after Jinbe officially joined in this arc, people expect the next/last one to join here.
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Oda really never talks about new crewmates, and we have no way to know if he actually used the word 'nakama' for that specific interview.
But the OP Magazine emphazising Luffy's initial comment, its something to look at.
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The interview was posted in direct speech, meaning literally what Oda said
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Several people have translated it as such who are trusted translators in this forum
So that´s nonsense.
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The assembled crew in that one battle spread is how Oda envisioned the full crew when he started the manga.
That's almost verbatim from a conversation we had.
And the nice thing about it, is the possibility it holds.
What about that panel in Chapter 977, though? :ninja:
! I don't expect an answer. Lol
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See how you'd find several words to refer to your pals in English; friend, companion, acquaintance, comrade, etc.
Well, big news, Chinese also have several of these, and here's where the issue remains, Oda could have perfectly used 'tomadachi', and the Chinese interviewer translated that in chinese to a very interchangable word like 'friend'. You can translate friend to both nakama and tomadachi, no big deal.
The problems are that 1; is likely that the interviewer didn't know the huge deal there is between the usage of tomadachi and nakama, and 2; nobody saw the Grand Fleet coming, so all the translations you'd find are using 'nakama', yes, because there were several candidates in Dressrosa and again, nobody could've predict Oda was creating a grand fleet for Luffy.The absolute absense of any reafirmation about that comment(since the Grand Fleet now exists) and in about 6 years since that interview, kinda gives away that Oda was talking about the Grand Fleet.
So yeah, much likely some telephone game shenanigans happened;
Oda-several tomadachi are coming!
Interviewer-Oda says several >>insert generic word for friend in Chinese here<< are coming!
Everyone who non-officially translated the thing-Oda says several Nakama are coming! -
The assembled crew in that one battle spread is how Oda envisioned the full crew when he started the manga.
That's almost verbatim from a conversation we had.
And the nice thing about it, is the possibility it holds.
Right, I remember you said that. I'm trying to work through what that means, and I know you probably can't go more in depth on this, but I hope you'll bear with me.
There are two distinct periods of crew development we as fans know of: two years before the serialization, and just before Chapter 1 released, both shown as sketches in DB Green. I'm guessing this comment of Oda's is related to the earlier sketch, the one where Jinbe was erased in Green and restored in Magazine 10. And I take it you mean that Jinbe's the last original character from that period to be in the battle line-up. The sketch does look a lot more complete with him in there, and not much room for anyone else. So I can now agree that most likely, at that point in time, there were just 10 total Straw Hats.
But if it refers to the second period as well, that's harder for me to understand. That sketch, the one with Robin and Franky added and Jinbe most likely included, was made just before Chapter 1. That's the chapter Luffy said he wants 10 people. And I know you said before that whether Luffy counts himself is vague even in Japan, but there is evidence that he doesn't. Zoro was introduced as the first person, and Brook was the eighth. That would make Jinbe the ninth, even if Oda never officially writes that chapter title, and that implies there should be a tenth. Plus, Blackbeard has 10 Titanic Captains under him. That was made very clear and puts his core crew, the ones most likely to fight the Straw Hats someday, at a total of 11.
Whoever the tenth person turns out to be, I still think they were planned before the series started, even if it wasn't as early as two years before. That newer sketch has yet to be updated, and it sure does look like someone else could fit in at the end next to where Jinbe's spot should be. Even on the off chance that there never was 11 at that pont, I still consider the addition of a tenth person under Luffy as a strong possibility.
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See how you'd find several words to refer to your pals in English; friend, companion, acquaintance, comrade, etc.
Well, big news, Chinese also have several of these, and here's where the issue remains, Oda could have perfectly used 'tomadachi', and the Chinese interviewer translated that in chinese to a very interchangable word like 'friend'. You can translate friend to both nakama and tomadachi, no big deal.
The problems are that 1; is likely that the interviewer didn't know the huge deal there is between the usage of tomadachi and nakama, and 2; nobody saw the Grand Fleet coming, so all the translations you'd find are using 'nakama', yes, because there were several candidates in Dressrosa and again, nobody could've predict Oda was creating a grand fleet for Luffy.The absolute absense of any reafirmation about that comment(since the Grand Fleet now exists) and in about 6 years since that interview, kinda gives away that Oda was talking about the Grand Fleet.
So yeah, much likely some telephone game shenanigans happened;
Oda-several tomadachi are coming!
Interviewer-Oda says several >>insert generic word for friend in Chinese here<< are coming!
Everyone who non-officially translated the thing-Oda says several Nakama are coming!Once again, the translators here took that into account. If you are talking about the translator of the magazine screwing up, equally unrealistic.
The standing and significance of nakama within the story is pretty clear, the same does not apply to "traveling companion", there is no reason to mention them within an interview considering new characters affiliated with the crew always pop up, same can not be said about nakama, so it´s obvious why one would need to be mentioned while the other is a given.
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So you are reading too much into and projecting into something that is pretty straightforward.
The irony is strong in this one
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But if it refers to the second period as well, that's harder for me to understand. That sketch, the one with Robin and Franky added and Jinbe most likely included, was made just before Chapter 1. That's the chapter Luffy said he wants 10 people. And I know you said before that whether Luffy counts himself is vague even in Japan, but there is evidence that he doesn't. Zoro was introduced as the first person, and Brook was the eighth. That would make Jinbe the ninth, even if Oda never officially writes that chapter title, and that implies there should be a tenth. Plus, Blackbeard has 10 Titanic Captains under him. That was made very clear and puts his core crew, the ones most likely to fight the Straw Hats someday, at a total of 11.
Keep in mind that we only found out that the Blackbeard Pirates had eleven main members in Dressrosa. Going into the timeskip, there was only ten of them, and there’s now an anomaly in the crew who we don’t know of and wasn’t involved in any of the pre-skip stuff.
From what Greg has said, it’s quite clear that the chapter one, the ten people Strawhats started at Luffy and ended at Jinbei. That’s as close as we can get to information out of the horses mouth.
Doesn’t mean that Oda can’t have decided in the twenty plus years since then to stick another Strawhat in. And I’d think that would coincide with him between the timeskip and Dressrosa adding another Blackbeard Pirate, despite them looking to be a complete set at Marineford.
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Isn't Aokiji the last BB Pirate?
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Isn't Aokiji the last BB Pirate?
Kuzan is "assisting" the Blackbeard Pirates but it wasn't said if he is one of the Ten Titanic Captains.
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Wasn't Nami originally planned by Oda to be a kind of tomboy melee fighter?
A "role" that, nowadays, is still unplayed within the crew and that could suits perfectly with Yamato…
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From what Greg has said, it’s quite clear that the chapter one, the ten people Strawhats started at Luffy and ended at Jinbei. That’s as close as we can get to information out of the horses mouth.
That's what I'm trying to clarify. Greg said it's the crew Oda envisioned when he started. But that's a pretty broad term considering there were two OP one-shots and at least two distinct versions of the crew planned to paper in the two years before Chapter 1. What counts as starting? The pre-planning or the release of the first chapter?
And there's still Zoro being called "the first person". The count wasn't counting Luffy even back then.
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Wasn't Nami originally planned by Oda to be a kind of tomboy melee fighter?
https://external-preview.redd.it/lbkmilGiZPsYeWGGXgI6XsThhv6OzwwZwaXlw1-RNv0.jpg?auto=webp&007ac615
A "role" that, nowadays, is still unplayed within the crew and that could suits perfectly with Yamato…
As much as I enjoy side-boob Yamato, I'm not sure the role of tomboy really suits her.
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Good to know that if someone does get forced in at this stage it will be someone who came about as an after thought after the real crew was put together.
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There’s two concept images of the crew that we know of. One from a few years before Chapter 1 was published, with the dwarf shipwright and the botanist and no Robin, whuch was recently revealed to also contain the fishman helmsman, and another one, from just before the series started, which has the crew as we know today but we haven’t seen it updated like the earlier one.
In the later one, there’s space for more than just Jinbe left. If Oda included the 11th there, then I feel the character may have been hinted at ocer the course of the series already. Maybe one of the known BB pirates is its counterpart. -
Keep in mind that we only found out that the Blackbeard Pirates had eleven main members in Dressrosa. Going into the timeskip, there was only ten of them, and there’s now an anomaly in the crew who we don’t know of and wasn’t involved in any of the pre-skip stuff.
From what Greg has said, it’s quite clear that the chapter one, the ten people Strawhats started at Luffy and ended at Jinbei. That’s as close as we can get to information out of the horses mouth.
Doesn’t mean that Oda can’t have decided in the twenty plus years since then to stick another Strawhat in. And I’d think that would coincide with him between the timeskip and Dressrosa adding another Blackbeard Pirate, despite them looking to be a complete set at Marineford.
As far as i know, Luffy says 10 nakama, which obviously does not include himself, though Greg would know it better.
He says he will need to find nakama/crewmembers, about 10 should be enough.
From context alone it does not fit to count him as part of the 10.
And like Shift said, then there is the counting of the members when they joined, which starts to count Luffy´s nakama/crewmembers from his point of view and begins with the first, second and so on, once again implying Luffy is not counted among the 10. -
That's what I'm trying to clarify. Greg said it's the crew Oda envisioned when he started. But that's a pretty broad term considering there were two OP one-shots and at least two distinct versions of the crew planned to paper in the two years before Chapter 1. What counts as starting? The pre-planning or the release of the first chapter?
And there's still Zoro being called "the first person". The count wasn't counting Luffy even back then.
“Started the manga” sounds to me like the start of serialisation, but maybe I’m wrong with that.
As for “the X person” chapter titles, I don’t think that’s saying much either way. Zoro was the first person to join Luffy, but not the first Strawhat. That’s Luffy. When Oda gave the official numbers it’s not Luffy 0 Zoro 1 Nami 2, it’s Luffy 1 Zoro 2 Nami 3.
I think it would make a lot of sense that the feasible future Strawhat (and last Blackbeard Captain) was a late addition formed by Oda after the timeskip, and that’s why they missed the 3D2Y (Whitebeard assassination) that all the others witnessed. Especially since there’s not really much room to suspect there will be a twelfth member, so it will literally just be the one respectively in each crew that missed this huge timeskip event for some reason.
Although if it is Yamato who joins she would have in her favour that she understands what Luffy went through, since she knew Ace herself.
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Good to know that if someone does get forced in at this stage it will be someone who came about as an after thought after the real crew was put together.
Well, Oden forced himself into Whitebeards Crew.
I could see Yamato being dragged a couple of days thru the ocean as well.
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As much as I enjoy side-boob Yamato, I'm not sure the role of tomboy really suits her.
Carrot fits that profile much better if that's the trait that everyone is looking for. A female character who likes to fight, doesn't cower in the face of danger, enjoys adventure, and hasn't been oversexualized.
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“Started the manga” sounds to me like the start of serialisation, but maybe I’m wrong with that.
Which is my point, it's a matter of semantics that can be taken a few ways. If I start building a house, the start could be considered drafting the blueprint as much as the actual wood and brick construction.
As for “the X person” chapter titles, I don’t think that’s saying much either way. Zoro was the first person to join Luffy, but not the first Strawhat. That’s Luffy. When Oda gave the official numbers it’s not Luffy 0 Zoro 1 Nami 2, it’s Luffy 1 Zoro 2 Nami 3.
It shows that there's a distinction between the two counting schemes. Literally speaking, there are 10 Straw Hats right now, and Luffy is 1, Zoro is 2, like you said. But the fact that there's a separate numbering order with Zoro as first, Sanji as fourth and Brook as eighth implies that there's a reason for counting them differently. It's the order of who joined Luffy's team, who he wants, and he said he wants 10.
I think it would make a lot of sense that the feasible future Strawhat (and last Blackbeard Captain) was a late addition formed by Oda after the timeskip, and that’s why they missed the 3D2Y (Whitebeard assassination) that all the others witnessed. Especially since there’s not really much room to suspect there will be a twelfth member, so it will literally just be the one respectively in each crew that missed this huge timeskip event for some reason.
There are so many momentous events that later crewmates missed. 3D2Y was important, but so was the stand at Enies Lobby, saying goodbye to Vivi, kicking the barrel and announcing their dreams. That doesn't indicate who was or wasn't in Oda's plans at any particular moment, nor does BB not having his final crew during the war. Sure, it's possible the tenth was only thought up after the timeskip, but the only thing we know Oda said is that there was once just 10 total.
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Jinbe does get to claim he took part in a lot of stuff since he participared in the 3D2Y thing, as well as ID, Marineford, and half the timeskip so far. He isn't much worse than say, Brook. Oda delayed his entrance to the crew, but there were a good 10-11 years where he was a mainstay in the manga before then.
Whoever joins after probably doesn't have that luxury, unless it's someone like Vivi or Smoker, tbh. Gives some strength to the Nobody side.
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I think the most crucial thing is 3D2Y. Everything else can be spun further and further, nobody besides Zoro met Coby before W7, yet Coby is one of the most essential side characters. Most of them don´t know about Nami and Arlong, none of the Strawhats know about Sanji´s relationship with Zeff and the list goes on. To distinguish between what the entire crew went through and individual events relating to the crew seems meaningless to be honest. There is always something that someone misses. Half the crew also missed WCI/Dressrosa.
But 3D2Y was the crucial event that really tested the crew and their bonds, something that someone new can not really comprehend even if they learn about it. And for Jinbe it was substituted by him being Luffy´s closest companion when he went through his biggest challenge yet, both mentally and physically, so Jinbe has something to make up for it. Nobody would question his dedication to Luffy or that it lacks compared to the other Strawhats who went through 2 years of rigorous training for him.How that can and will apply to a possible new nakama is everyone´s guess, but i fear we, assuming someone will join, will not get anything to make up for it.
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Jinbe does get to claim he took part in a lot of stuff since he participared in the 3D2Y thing, as well as ID, Marineford, and half the timeskip so far. He isn't much worse than say, Brook. Oda delayed his entrance to the crew, but there were a good 10-11 years where he was a mainstay in the manga before then.
Whoever joins after probably doesn't have that luxury, unless it's someone like Vivi or Smoker, tbh. Gives some strength to the Nobody side.
Neither of them has that luxury, because it´s not about the presence and screen-time in the story, but to not stand out as outlier regarding the bonds of the Strawhats that emerged through the adventures they went through.
Each Strawhat, with 3D2Y, basically said that Luffy and making his dream come true is more important than their own, or at least they can only do it for him and with him. There were more prominent members for whom Oda made this more obvious (Zoro for example, Mihawk literally stated Luffy is more important than Zoro´s dream of becoming WSS, Chopper accepted being a monster, something he feared the most, Robin stated she wished to become stronger for Luffy and so on, heck with Robin, she already had made that decision in Shabondy where she could have finally achieved her dream of learning the truth but instead decided for the crew and for Luffy and their voyage) but it applies to all of them.
Smoker likes Luffy, even if it is unconsciously, but his dedication is something else.
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3D2Y was one of the most important events to date, I'm not denying that. But it's not such a vital event that it prevents anyone else from joining after, that's my point. What we've been leading up to for nearly 10 years, ending with Luffy potentially defeating one or two of the top four pirates in the world, is very momentous and important as well. No one can deny that just about anyone who joins after fighting by the Straw Hats on this Kaido saga would deserve it.
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3D2Y was one of the most important events to date, I'm not denying that. But it's not such a vital event that it prevents anyone else from joining after, that's my point. What we've been leading up to for nearly 10 years, ending with Luffy potentially defeating one or two of the top four pirates in the world, is very momentous and important as well. No one can deny that just about anyone who joins after fighting by the Straw Hats on this Kaido saga would deserve it.
No, like i said, Oda can definitely set it aside, or try to pretend the bond a new character has with Luffy is achieved differently, but from a credibility point of view, it still is questionable.
And it´s not like Oda has not repeated certain things more or less credibly, especially comparing pre to post-TS, it happens, so from that point of view, yep, it does not prevent any joining. Does not change the quality, or rather lack thereof though, unless Oda goes all in. -
Tam/mat/rot joins after Wano. Big party guys!
Le one week later in universe the strawhats conquer the entire grandline.
-It's been solid adventuring with ya'll this week of my life.
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Tam/mat/rot joins after Wano. Big party guys!
Le one week later in universe the strawhats conquer the entire grandline.
-It's been solid adventuring with ya'll this week of my life.
With Carrot it'd be over a month. XD
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The way I see it, when we look back on the series when it’s all over, 3D2Y will still stand out as one of the two most important moments in the series. The other will be Luffy’s final victory.
They are the two extremes, Luffy at his absolute lowest, questioning whether he can even be Pirate King, and Luffy at his highest, having achieved whatever his hidden dream that he shares with Roger is. Every other achievement can be eclipsed. Beating Katakuri will be overshadowed by beating Kaido, which will be overshadowed by beating Blackbeard. Luffy falling out with Usopp was overshadowed by Luffy losing the Merry for good and then by him losing his crew in Saobody. But the two extremes will not be matched.
So yeah, I would question Oda putting in another Strawhat that missed that moment, more than any other. The Strawhats beat CP9 then moved straight on into another adventure and victory. Ace dying, on the other hand, put a halt to everything. Even in the real world, there was a months (was it a month? A fortnight?) break after it. And it was a moment that was so important because it was so Luffy centric. Every other time, Luffy has been the one to save his crew, this time they saved him.
So yeah, I’d find it weird for just one Strawhat to have had nothing to do with it. Sure, Oda can ignore it totally, but that doesn’t mean I think it would be good.
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Vivi works differently because she is an honorary strawhat already.
She was part of the crew, they consider her as such, she continues to keep track of them after all this time and there are hints they may have to rescue her soon. I don't think she lacks a bond, really. If she joins near the end it's not just one week, her connection to the crew is much older.
I named Smoker because he's another old one but yeah he doesn't have any bond.
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Smoker you say? I've been pushing for Smoker for 15 years lol
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My own thoughts are that the last crewmate is someone from before the timeskip who allied with Luffy back then and has been following his adventures since.
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I'm wondering if the other half of the spread for chapter 1000 could feature the next straw hat. Likely not, but I'm staying open the possibility due to chapter 1000 being such a major milestone. Oda did have a colorspread called "Mugiwara pirates vs CP9" featuring Franky, 60 chapters before Franky officialy joined. :ninja:
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Chapter titles have Zoro as the first, color spreads start with Luffy. So it can go either way.
Tam/mat/rot joins after Wano. Big party guys!
Le one week later in universe the strawhats conquer the entire grandline.
-It's been solid adventuring with ya'll this week of my life.
Presumably the keep travelling together for years of filler adventures after the series.
That aside Brook was with the crew for like 20 minutes before they got separated for two years, Franky not much longer, (a week to build the boat and like 2 days for the full events of W7) and Robin was only around for however long Skypeia was.
None of them were with the group for very long but it still became a permanent bond.
Similarly Rogr's crew considered Crocus a full member despite only being on the final trip. And Vivi is still part of the gang.
The how long isn't as important as is what they did in the time they had.
It's all relative.
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So if Oda had 10 of the 11 crewmates planned near the beginning of the series, is it not feasible that Oda has put hints throughout the manga of who this mystery person is? Asking for a friend. :ninja:
The first Strawhats to join were more or less obvious until after Chopper.
Nami wore Robin's clothes back in Loguetown. Then Robin saved Luffy's life, twice, at Alabasta.
Luffy "drew" Franky and instantly loved Franky's cyborg antics. Plus the crew needed a shipwright and were actively looking.
Brook in particular was heavily foreshadowed having attributes Luffy wanted and Laboon connection.
Jinbe was name-dropped during Arlong Park. Jinbe's and Ace's connection bridged Jinbe's and Luffy's connection.
And we know Blackbeard has an unknown 10th Commander. Since the two crews mirror each other, it is a reasonable assumption Luffy will get a crewmate after Jinbe. Oda may be waiting to introduce the last crewmate of each crew on a monumental chapter??
Stating all this, the crewmate after Jinbe may not have fit in the timeline Oda wanted for 3D2Y therefore delaying their introduction as a character or as a Strawhat. I surmise Oda wants the probable last crewmate to make a huge impact as with their addition marks where this is truly the Pirate King's crew to us the audience.
Plus Luffy not adding at least ONE crewmate post-timeskip that is a NEW character takes away from the recruitment excitement, IMO.
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I'm wondering if the other half of the spread for chapter 1000 could feature the next straw hat. Likely not, but I'm staying open the possibility due to chapter 1000 being such a major milestone. Oda did have a colorspread called "Mugiwara pirates vs CP9" featuring Franky, 60 chapters before Franky officialy joined. :ninja:
There's a suspicious white space near Jinbe in the blurred preview of the colorspread that could have been erased before blurring to hide someone.
Or it may be nothing.If it's a character, thought, I doubt it's Yamato, unless he/she is too tall. Unless he/she is scaled down to fit there.
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Presumably the keep travelling together for years of filler adventures after the series.
Personally i question if there will be a strawhat crew post-end game.
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So if Oda had 10 of the 11 crewmates planned near the beginning of the series, is it not feasible that Oda has put hints throughout the manga of who this mystery person is? Asking for a friend. :ninja:
The first Strawhats to join were more or less obvious until after Chopper.
Nami wore Robin's clothes back in Loguetown. Then Robin saved Luffy's life, twice, at Alabasta.
Luffy "drew" Franky and instantly loved Franky's cyborg antics. Plus the crew needed a shipwright and were actively looking.
Brook in particular was heavily foreshadowed having attributes Luffy wanted and Laboon connection.
Jinbe was name-dropped during Arlong Park. Jinbe's and Ace's connection bridged Jinbe's and Luffy's connection.
And we know Blackbeard has an unknown 10th Commander. Since the two crews mirror each other, it is a reasonable assumption Luffy will get a crewmate after Jinbe. Oda may be waiting to introduce the last crewmate of each crew on a monumental chapter??
Stating all this, the crewmate after Jinbe may not have fit in the timeline Oda wanted for 3D2Y therefore delaying their introduction as a character or as a Strawhat. I surmise Oda wants the probable last crewmate to make a huge impact as with their addition marks where this is truly the Pirate King's crew to us the audience.
Plus Luffy not adding at least ONE crewmate post-timeskip that is a NEW character takes away from the recruitment excitement, IMO.
Pirate apprentice first mentioned in volume 2.
We found out about Ace learning how to make amigasa hats in marineford.
Luffy getting star eyes from hearing about ninjas.
A big ass sphinx named Tama (with katakana/hiragana, not kanji like Tama the girl). -
So if Oda had 10 of the 11 crewmates planned near the beginning of the series, is it not feasible that Oda has put hints throughout the manga of who this mystery person is? Asking for a friend. :ninja:
The first Strawhats to join were more or less obvious until after Chopper.
Nami wore Robin's clothes back in Loguetown. Then Robin saved Luffy's life, twice, at Alabasta.
Luffy "drew" Franky and instantly loved Franky's cyborg antics. Plus the crew needed a shipwright and were actively looking.
Brook in particular was heavily foreshadowed having attributes Luffy wanted and Laboon connection.
Jinbe was name-dropped during Arlong Park. Jinbe's and Ace's connection bridged Jinbe's and Luffy's connection.
And we know Blackbeard has an unknown 10th Commander. Since the two crews mirror each other, it is a reasonable assumption Luffy will get a crewmate after Jinbe. Oda may be waiting to introduce the last crewmate of each crew on a monumental chapter??
Stating all this, the crewmate after Jinbe may not have fit in the timeline Oda wanted for 3D2Y therefore delaying their introduction as a character or as a Strawhat. I surmise Oda wants the probable last crewmate to make a huge impact as with their addition marks where this is truly the Pirate King's crew to us the audience.
Plus Luffy not adding at least ONE crewmate post-timeskip that is a NEW character takes away from the recruitment excitement, IMO.
This guy bought Carrot merchandising a long time ago.
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I'm not pulling for anybody after Jinbei, but people were so horny for Yamato to join the moment they appeared, the contrarian in me really hopes they don't, lol.
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So if Oda had 10 of the 11 crewmates planned near the beginning of the series, is it not feasible that Oda has put hints throughout the manga of who this mystery person is? Asking for a friend. :ninja:
The first Strawhats to join were more or less obvious until after Chopper.
Nami wore Robin's clothes back in Loguetown. Then Robin saved Luffy's life, twice, at Alabasta.
Luffy "drew" Franky and instantly loved Franky's cyborg antics. Plus the crew needed a shipwright and were actively looking.
Brook in particular was heavily foreshadowed having attributes Luffy wanted and Laboon connection.
Jinbe was name-dropped during Arlong Park. Jinbe's and Ace's connection bridged Jinbe's and Luffy's connection.
And we know Blackbeard has an unknown 10th Commander. Since the two crews mirror each other, it is a reasonable assumption Luffy will get a crewmate after Jinbe. Oda may be waiting to introduce the last crewmate of each crew on a monumental chapter??
Stating all this, the crewmate after Jinbe may not have fit in the timeline Oda wanted for 3D2Y therefore delaying their introduction as a character or as a Strawhat. I surmise Oda wants the probable last crewmate to make a huge impact as with their addition marks where this is truly the Pirate King's crew to us the audience.
Plus Luffy not adding at least ONE crewmate post-timeskip that is a NEW character takes away from the recruitment excitement, IMO.
Ok, fine, since everyone is quoting you and posting their perceived "foreshadowing":
- Nami also wore Hancock-like clothes as well as Robin's in Chapter 97.
- Short after Chapter 100, Color Walk book 1 was released previewing future enemies. One of them was a prototype Hancock, which means her character was in Oda's mind for a long time.
- Chapter 516, which introduces Hancock and is aptly titled "The Pirate Empress Boa Hancock", features a color spread with a message "A Casual Discovery" and all SHs in their "debut" situations, akin to the panels now used for the chapter 1,000 countdown.
- Hancock losing her title and Amazon Lily being destroyed was hinted way back in the chapter 517.
- Hancock was hyped as having all forms of haki, but we never got to see her capabilities in full. Since she's not going to be an enemy, she's obviously being reserved to be shown in all her glory later in the story, fighting alongside the SHs at some point.
- Alongside Jinbe, she was Luffy's greatest and most loyal ally during the Impel Down/Marineford saga, and helped nurturing him back to health.
- She also participated in the 3D2Y thing.
- She being more about her feelings with Luffy after the 2 years hint at some hidden development in the period.
- Jinbe's flashback skipping Fisher Tiger's rampage in Mary Geoise hints towards that scene being covered in the future. Maybe Hancock's flashback?
- The recent dissolution of the Shichibukai and the impending attack on Amazon Lily will most likely bring Hancock back to the spotlight. Of all allies Luffy met on the way, Hancock is one of the few, if not the only, great friend that wasn't ever in danger and is in debted to Luffy, which means her arc is ahead of us and not in the past.
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I’m rewatching episodes 128-130 for some “feel good get out of my depression funk” entertainment.
I don’t care what anyone else says. Vivi and Carue are part of the crew.
Honestly I’m good with the crew as is as long as that asterisk of Vivi and Carue being official crew members is there. And she’s in her own league, not just another friend/ally they made and traveled with along the way, truly crewmates.
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I’m rewatching episodes 128-130 for some “feel good get out of my depression funk” entertainment.
I don’t care what anyone else says. Vivi and Carue are part of the crew.
Honestly I’m good with the crew as is as long as that asterisk of Vivi and Carue being official crew members is there. And she’s in her own league, not just another friend/ally they made and traveled with along the way, truly crewmates.
She´s the next best thing but truly? Nope. :ninja:
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Vivi is 100% part of the Strawhats. That's why I was so disappointed by her in the Reverie mini-arc. The only interesting thing about her was Im looking at her picture.
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Vivi is going to travel with the crew again, I’m sure. That won’t forbid an 11th SH, thought. Vivi is a special .5 slot.
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Yeah even if she never travels with them again, which I can’t see happening given they will possibly have another adventure in the endgame, Vivi is still considered part of Luffy’s crew in Luffy’s eye, like how Luffy doesn’t see his Fleet as part of his crew.
And don’t forget Carue people. Carue deserves a lot of said respect too. I mean, if Stronger is part of Blackbeard’s crew (and isn’t actually hiding some intelligence/ability beyond being Dr Q’s ride), then Carue should be considered too. And Carue has personality!