Well, the anime made something very different. Her speech made it feel like Carrot really liked the crew and wanted to be with them… followed by a flashback or something about her always dreaming to go on an adventure.
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Well, the anime made something very different. Her speech made it feel like Carrot really liked the crew and wanted to be with them… followed by a flashback or something about her always dreaming to go on an adventure.
When you take into consideration that she had to be told that it wasn't a game by Wanda, that shows what's on her mind. To take on that task, she took into account how prepared the crew is. She's listing all of their roles (which could've been told to her off screen or off panel, but wasn't implied outside of this moment lol) that exemplifies their talents that can add to the mission.
When she exposes herself and then put on the spot, what does she do? She goes into how useful she can be to the current situation. Everything is rooted in being useful, so she can stay for her adventure. So, yeah it might entail that it was really about being with the crew, but I took it as going for that mission, "even if it was just once" - Carrot.
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I just don't see how she will follow the Kozuki Clan since she never really felt invested in being a retainer for Momonosuke. If she feels her duty by the arc's conclusion is to follow him, then so be it. One driving theme with her is that she definitely wants to be useful. I just really doubt that's the case since she is still following the Straw Hat Crew around.
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The 'useful' word is kind of the key in here, she's not outright claiming a position like all of the strawhats, the sniper, the navigator, the cook, etc, there isn't a narrative straight telling us 'yea we gon recruit this position, we can't go any further without it'.
Nothing of that, is just 'I want to be useful', and she does whatever task to accomplish being useful, she's not being the lookout because we're going to recruit one, there's never been plans from the author of doing so, and neither Carrot, introduction boxes or anyone else have ever called Carrot a Lookout, only the fandom does, that is barely a cannonical word.
That's all, she's got Chimney's personality, but unlike Chimney, she was useful, that's everything there is to it.
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When it comes to Carrot and the Dawn stuff, I see it like this…
Luffy wasn't looking for a fleet and that wasn't a narrative. There were allies that bonded and wanted to show Luffy that respect. Luffy said no, but the impression he left, inspired them even more to do what they want and be Luffy's sons
Pedro wasn't looking for the next Roger Pirates. He just wanted to be of service to his leaders and get the PGs. His people were saved by the crew and throughout WCI arc, he seen further proof that this crew was worthy of his sacrifice
None of this is straightforward. Characters naturally being of use is earned. Did Crocodile expect to save Ace and Luffy when he was freed? I don't think so.
I think Carrot's selfish want for adventure, desire to be useful and her growth is indirectly moving towards being a Straw Hat or Momo retainer. Why the retainer gig hasn't made sense to me is because the lack of interest in Momo and also being constantly separated from her initial group. As supported in panels in the past thread, Paulie was barely separated from his group, physically or just in a narrative. Put him next to Luffy and the Galley La are right there. Even to show anger over Iceberg, he isn't differentiated. Was he the first or best friend of Iceberg? Or even to create differentiation over CP9. Was he closer to Lucci than the rest? All of this was done for Franky from the start with his gang. He was then shown to be Iceberg's peer and that CP9 were after him.
Look at any Mink. They were mostly begging to come along. I also noticed that I don't see too many younger Musketeers and Guardians. Carrot didn't think to ask the leaders. It's more carefree and selfish as Neko and Inu worrying the the tribe with their trip off Zunisha. Carrot is mistakenly acting like a Straw Hat. It's just her selfishness mixed with her want to be useful that many Straw Hats exhibit. They all have their own goals and agenda, but also want to be of use. Look at their pledge to Luffy throughout the story or even the conflict. Usopp battles with the fate of Merry. It's not just because he sees a nakama in Merry, he sees himself having that same fate if he isn't of use anymore. Zoro makes the pledge when he loses to Mihawk. Sanji sees himself as a burden and tries to take it on himself in the middle of conflict with another pirate and it's a Yonko. Luffy, like in Baratie, reminds him in a very Luffy way who they are as a crew. Sanji honors Zeff by saving his crew and feeding Linlin because she needed it.
Wanting to be of use and having an unrivaled sense of selfishness is the Straw Hat way. If her maturity leads to Momo's retainers, then Oda lined up the alley oop well. If this is for being a Straw Hat, I do not believe the job is done with this arc.
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It's interesting how you mention selfishness as a trait Straw Hats share. For a long time, one of the arguments against Jinbe was that he was too selfless, that he put his country and the safety of others first and didn't have dreams of his own. And then Oda threw a lampshade on that and had the Sun Pirates outright tell Jinbe he should be a bit selfish for once and go on the adventure with the SHs that he wants.
Carrot definitely has things she wants to do out in the wide world. She's also nothing if not loyal, and she can fight. I hope we soon see some payoff for all those traits.
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I recall a poster on another forum making similarities between Carrot and Oden. How basically their introduction is them attacking a pirate crew, being driven by the curiosity of the outside world they beg for said crew to take him/her with them, and joins their wacky adventures. Now, where Oden had his revelation of what he truly felt like he needed after talking with Roger, Carrot similarly might reach a conclusion on why she would want to continue her venture with Luffy out to sea. They were initially both driven by curiosity and adventure till they realized there was something more that they should do. With Oden, it was basically doing what Robin does now. For Carrot, we'd have to wait and see this arc's conclusion. It's already been foreshadowed and even reported by Oda something huge is going to happen at the conclusion of this arc and so Carrot's direction in the story should become much more clear by then. Because even now, no one really knows where she is going or what she is doing.
It is a strong possibility in my eyes because I really do think Oda needs to justify Carrot's presence in the narrative for this long. Carrot herself doesn't affect the story, but I think that's why we need the push from a writing perspective to put her in that situation, where the story justifies why Carrot had to be where she was and do the things she did in the arcs she was involved in, including being with the Straw Hats in this raid on Onigashima as opposed to the Mink Tribe right now.
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I recall a poster on another forum making similarities between Carrot and Oden. How basically their introduction is them attacking a pirate crew, being driven by the curiosity of the outside world they beg for said crew to take him/her with them, and joins their wacky adventures. Now, where Oden had his revelation of what he truly felt like he needed after talking with Roger, Carrot similarly might reach a conclusion on why she would want to continue her venture with Luffy out to sea. They were initially both driven by curiosity and adventure till they realized there was something more that they should do. With Oden, it was basically doing what Robin does now. For Carrot, we'd have to wait and see this arc's conclusion. It's already been foreshadowed and even reported by Oda something huge is going to happen at the conclusion of this arc and so Carrot's direction in the story should become much more clear by then. Because even now, no one really knows where she is going or what she is doing.
It is a strong possibility in my eyes because I really do think Oda needs to justify Carrot's presence in the narrative for this long. Carrot herself doesn't affect the story, but I think that's why we need the push from a writing perspective to put her in that situation, where the story justifies why Carrot had to be where she was and do the things she did in the arcs she was involved in, including being with the Straw Hats in this raid on Onigashima as opposed to the Mink Tribe right now.
I am personally against the use of parallels as a justification for a character to join the crew. Like saying Yamato needs because of Oden parallels, or Carrot needs to join because of Ino-Neko parallels, or Oden parallels, or Momo needs to join because of Oden parallels, or Tama needs to join because of Buggy-Shanks parallels. Luffy journey and what he has achieved does have similarities to Roger's, but he's never had a 1:1 crew and if we try to start using that to justify crew members then we might as well say that all of these characters should join because they parallel someone on Roger's crew. Whoever the last crew member is should stand out on their own, not because they were like someone on Roger's crew.
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I am personally against the use of parallels as a justification for a character to join the crew. Like saying Yamato needs because of Oden parallels, or Carrot needs to join because of Ino-Neko parallels, or Oden parallels, or Momo needs to join because of Oden parallels, or Tama needs to join because of Buggy-Shanks parallels. Luffy journey and what he has achieved does have similarities to Roger's, but he's never had a 1:1 crew and if we try to start using that to justify crew members then we might as well say that all of these characters should join because they parallel someone on Roger's crew. Whoever the last crew member is should stand out on their own, not because they were like someone on Roger's crew.
Not trying to force parallels, but they were trying to point out that eventually Carrot is going to realize what is so special about Luffy's journey and what the Dawn of the World truly means. This higher purpose already had foundations laid down by Pedro since his journey as the captain of the Nox Pirates reflects that. Now that Luffy is here, he can carry out what he left behind and sooner or later Carrot would need to understand this herself. That's where I think her course in the story will change, from being passive to active. Where she moves in the plot from there should begin to make more sense. The Oden parallel was just to get that point across.
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I am personally against the use of parallels as a justification for a character to join the crew. Like saying Yamato needs because of Oden parallels, or Carrot needs to join because of Ino-Neko parallels, or Oden parallels, or Momo needs to join because of Oden parallels, or Tama needs to join because of Buggy-Shanks parallels. Luffy journey and what he has achieved does have similarities to Roger's, but he's never had a 1:1 crew and if we try to start using that to justify crew members then we might as well say that all of these characters should join because they parallel someone on Roger's crew. Whoever the last crew member is should stand out on their own, not because they were like someone on Roger's crew.
I don't think the parallel is to justify it, but more of an example to understand it.
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I recall a poster on another forum making similarities between Carrot and Oden.
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I think you mean that
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/next-strawhat-crew-members-and-the-grand-fleet.79/page-54#post-487216Yep, that specific post. While I don't think Carrot is paralleling Oden, I believe the structure on how Oden discovered his goal will follow similarly with Carrot upon this arc's conclusion.
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Yeah, but maybe both Oden and Carrot are just a parallel of Luffy?
Raised in a small town, in a remote corner of the world, Luffy wants adventure more than anything and begs a pirate crew to take him with them. He leaves his home seeking adventure and eventually finds out the truth about the world and complicated historical and political matters.
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In terms of Vivi joining, she has always been an option, even if she is far behind strength wise and such or lacks a role.
Vivi has always been different then every tag along and treated different then everyone, she has stayed popular all throughout the series eversince Arabasta and is popular in both hemispheres.
Vivi has always been the closet to the Strawhats that no matter the distance or the passage of time she still remains imo the closest to the Strawhats above everyone they meet, when ever something happens to the Strawhats its Vivi thats close by, wasn't surprised at all by Robin joining, was deciphering Luffys message when he went to marineford again (considering she knew Robin join before it was really reported don't underestimate her), clearly still has the same spirit from Sailing and that no-nonsense attitude.
https://i.imgur.com/6WUFuVT.pngShe is even developed different compared to the WG princesses just by rereading Arabasta not to long ago, active to take roles in participating in the Government from a young age, knowing the meaning of her actions with Wapol, taking charge to chase and infiltrate BW.
Now with Revivre, we learn/know Arabasta is treated differently then any of the other 20 Royal Families that formed the WG, confronted CP-0 not giving a rats ass, Im has plans for her as unlike dangerous people/targets like Luffy, Blackbeard and Shirahoshi that were torn up Vivi has left unscathed and just the news of Arabasta, hell Greg on twitter brought this up I think is worth mentioning:
https://pm1.narvii.com/6204/7617a2ce89f17c2d27235aaf76361f836b64600d_hq.jpgI've never been concerned with Power as @robby says Oda can come up with whatever he wants to bridge the ower gap if he wants:
- Training with pell and co since the Timeskip
- Inheriting Kumas Fruit or some other fruit
- Training with the Revs if/when we learn there stories are linked together with the Revivre
Oda can come up with anything if he really wants to, I don't think anyone should dismiss Vivi as she is clearly treated differently then every other Princess or Strawhat Ally
Discount Vivi at your own expense.
Vivi also has a god tier unit in Treasure Cruise that atm will never be power crept out.
This. I've always felt that Vivi would back on the table since her disappearance and Imu's desire to kidnap her. No way she is dead or unlikely to see the Strawhats again.
Some can say she would become a revolutionary, but she trusts the Strawhats more and would think of Luffy first before anyone else. Power scaling be damned she would be a great official member to make up for Alabasta's finale years ago.
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Vivi is already a nakama. She's an honorary Straw Hat because she can't follow them on their adventures because of her commitment to her country. It's also why I keep counting her out because no matter the circumstances, Vivi will always put her country first before venturing on the seas. If anything were to happen to with her or Alabasta, it'll just be a repeat of 2 years ago.
Though if I were to remove my bias of Carrot for 1 minute, Vivi has a higher chance of being the last nakama than Carrot and definitely Yamato, just from the fact she already is one.
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I will guess Yamato’s chances will approach zero as more chapters are released.
I still trust my instincts and they tell me there’s something wrong with the whole Yamato story.If anyone joins in Wano other than Jinbe, it will be Carrot. But, just to reinforce my PoV, I think no one but Jinbe will join in this arc.
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I'm still repping Tama and/or Momo. Momo is for sure going to have to make a huge choice, even bigger than the one he made a couple chapters ago, and one way or another he'll be fulfilling what his father couldn't.
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I'm still repping Tama and/or Momo. Momo is for sure going to have to make a huge choice, even bigger than the one he made a couple chapters ago, and one way or another he'll be fulfilling what his father couldn't.
I feel Momo may still travel with the crew. But I don’t consider that the same as him becoming a Straw Hat. For me, even if he still has a role, he wouldn’t get regular color spread appearances, a clear role in the ship or a counterpart in the Blackbeard pirates.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I feel Momo may still travel with the crew. But I don’t consider that the same as him becoming a Straw Hat. For me, even if he still has a role, he wouldn’t get regular color spread appearances, a clear role in the ship or a counterpart in the Blackbeard pirates.
I feel like Oda knows that readers would be looking for an Oden parallel to join after reading the flashback and has put in 4 or 5 characters who can potentially carry on his will just to mess with us.
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I feel like Oda knows that readers would be looking for an Oden parallel to join after reading the flashback and has put in 4 or 5 characters who can potentially carry on his will just to mess with us.
I think the chance of someone going along with the crew is not the same as that person becoming a Straw Hat. If, say, Carrot stows away again without a proper invite and welcome, I’m still not considering her a crewmate until she starts being featured as one (color spreads, merchandise, narration box, BB countepart, things like that).
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I think the chance of someone going along with the crew is not the same as that person becoming a Straw Hat. If, say, Carrot stows away again without a proper invite and welcome, I’m still not considering her a crewmate until she starts being featured as one (color spreads, merchandise, narration box, BB countepart, things like that).
I guess it depends on how far they go? If Carrot goes all the way to Laugh Tale with the crew and they're just side eying her the same time.. Actually that would be funny.
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There's no doubt in my mind that Momo just wants to stay in Wano with his sister and his people. Whatever needs to be done to prepare for the final war can be done there.
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I think the chance of someone going along with the crew is not the same as that person becoming a Straw Hat. If, say, Carrot stows away again without a proper invite and welcome, I’m still not considering her a crewmate until she starts being featured as one (color spreads, merchandise, narration box, BB countepart, things like that).
If Carrot sneaks aboard a second time, there's no way it's not seen as a request to join.
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If the meta-story still treats her as not part of the family, so will I.
Now, if she starts to be treated like part of the family and not just a companion, so will I.
I feel like the whole reason she's been seemingly ignored despite being with the crew so much is because anything more would make her purpose immediately obvious. Everything has been building up to this battle, and if she's just another Kozuki-allied Mink, she has no reason to stick around after Wano is freed. Which is why I've said before, if she doesn't join by the time the SHs leave Wano, she won't be joining at all.
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^ this but with everyone tbh. Unless it's a character like Hancock or Smoker who we have known for a long time but aren't in Wano, then the final crewmember must join after Wano is over or they aren't joining at all.
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^ this but with everyone tbh. Unless it's a character like Hancock or Smoker who we have known for a long time but aren't in Wano, then the final crewmember must join after Wano is over or they aren't joining at all.
I agree with this too. I feel all Straw Hats were introduced pre-timeskip. Of the New World characters, Carrot has the best chance, but I think the last Straw Hat is going to be Hancock, especially because of how much was hinted but never shown of her (full strength and combat capabilities, past flashback, unfinished business with Luffy, no direct interactions with the Straw Hats).
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There's no doubt in my mind that Momo just wants to stay in Wano with his sister and his people. Whatever needs to be done to prepare for the final war can be done there.
Momo needs to become his own man and show his resolve. That's what his story has been leading up to for a long time. It might be him just becoming the Shogun and opening the country, but we know so little about Hiyori that she could do that instead. Like with all things OP, only time will tell.
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Seeing how are 200+ Sulongs being treated up there, I wouldn't put too much hope in one* single Sulong.
And there are still like 40 important characters that will manitain more focus.
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Momo needs to become his own man and show his resolve. That's what his story has been leading up to for a long time. It might be him just becoming the Shogun and opening the country, but we know so little about Hiyori that she could do that instead. Like with all things OP, only time will tell.
That need to grow is why he needs to stay in Wano, to properly become the shogun he wants to be, not a pirate on another huge adventure. Plus, the people of Wano have shown their care deeply about him and don't want to lose him again. They need him a lot more than the SHs do.
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Seeing how are 200+ Sulongs being treated up there, I wouldn't put too much hope in one* single Sulong.
And there are still like 40 important characters that will manitain more focus.
So why hasn't she gone ahead and transformed with the rest of them? Why is she still being set apart if she isn't meant to stand separate from the group?
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Carrot is a narrative carrot and stick. She breaks the insert important person dying in the past troupe.
Yamato is Kaido's Ace and their relationship is comparative to Whitebeard and Ace. Me thinks Luffy may fight Yamato again but both get serious.
Momo will be shogun with current and new retainers. Tama. Shinobu. Toko. Yamato?
Smoker will never leave the Marines or Tashigi and vice-versa for her.
Supernovas were not planned. Crewmates were.
Pell survived.
Pagaya survived.
Pound survived.
Waiting on Pedro's and Pekoms' cover story, Big Mom saying they are still alive, or the mysterious pop-up in Wano. Will of P is my nomination. Pekoms can't go back to Big Mom. Pedro's survived at least 2 near-death experiences. No known corpses.Inuarashi and Nekomamushi both rode with Roger but neither made the final journey to Laugh Tale. A mink should go all the way to Laugh Tale to insure the Strawhats bring the Dawn of the World.
Bounty: 382M Quirks: High Places | Garchu
Roles: Ship Guard | Ship's Cat | Lookout
Clues: Ch 175 | Statue | Foxy Flag | Paw DF
Dreams: Travel w/ PK | The Dawn
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Carrot is a narrative carrot and stick. She breaks the insert important person dying in the past troupe.
Pell survived.
Pagaya survived.
Pound survived.
Waiting on Pedro's and Pekoms' cover story, Big Mom saying they are still alive, or the mysterious pop-up in Wano. Will of P is my nomination. Pekoms can't go back to Big Mom. Pedro's survived at least 2 near-death experiences. No known corpses.Inuarashi and Nekomamushi both rode with Roger but neither made the final journey to Laugh Tale. A mink should go all the way to Laugh Tale to insure the Strawhats bring the Dawn of the World.
Believe me, I get how easy it is to write off his death. The chapter it happened, "Pell-dro" was the first phrase out of my mouth. Pedro was a well-crafted and important character, but his story reached its natural conclusion. He was shown to have lost the majority of his lifespan, and used what little remained to save the people he knew could save the world. And in that process, he passed on his will to Carrot and began her transformation into the active character she's destined to become.
A Mink definitely should make it to Laugh Tale. It very easily could have been Pedro, but Pedro passed that mission onto Carrot.
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When it comes down to character designs I still think Pekoms and nekomamushi have way better/more interesting character designs than Carrot
Although neither has as good a chance at joining
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That need to grow is why he needs to stay in Wano, to properly become the shogun he wants to be, not a pirate on another huge adventure. Plus, the people of Wano have shown their care deeply about him and don't want to lose him again. They need him a lot more than the SHs do.
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So why hasn't she gone ahead and transformed with the rest of them? Why is she still being set apart if she isn't meant to stand separate from the group?
She's getting Rebecca'ed.
All elements are present actually.
Rebecca=Carrot~ a brave female, but will require someone else to do the job
Kyros=Sanji~ El Macho
Diamante=Perospero~ the guy who stalks underage girls in social media
Scarlett=Pedro~ The grave that finishes off the villain.Heck, Carrot is just there beside Nami, similar to how Rebecca was just there with Robin.
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She's getting Rebecca'ed.
All elements are present actually.
Rebecca=Carrot~ a brave female, but will require someone else to do the job
Kyros=Sanji~ El Macho
Diamante=Perospero~ the guy who stalks underage girls in social media
Scarlett=Pedro~ The grave that finishes off the villain.Heck, Carrot is just there beside Nami, similar to how Rebecca was just there with Robin.
So Carrot will stay with Sanji in the end? Carrot will be on Luffy's back before she goes to Sanji?
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When it comes down to character designs I still think Pekoms and nekomamushi have way better/more interesting character designs than Carrot
Although neither has as good a chance at joining
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tropes and having her 'flashback' actually happen in real time.I think this line of thought miss something very important about flashback tragedies: Oda spends a LOT of time building up the relationship before breaking it in an emotional way. To me, if Carrot's "flashback" was in present time, both Carrot and her relationship to Pedro would have been explored in way more depth than it was beforehand.
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She's getting Rebecca'ed.
All elements are present actually.
Rebecca=Carrot~ a brave female, but will require someone else to do the job
Kyros=Sanji~ El Macho
Diamante=Perospero~ the guy who stalks underage girls in social media
Scarlett=Pedro~ The grave that finishes off the villain.Heck, Carrot is just there beside Nami, similar to how Rebecca was just there with Robin.
Kinda forcing another parallel here…
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Alright, here's an entirely unbiased (:ninja:) analysis of the data book green and magazine 10 concept sketches…
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Alright, here's an entirely unbiased (:ninja:) analysis of the data book green and magazine 10 concept sketches…
Here's something about your thoughts: I agree that the 11th Straw Hat was probably someone Oda thought way back in the beginning of the series. Plus, in the second crew concept art, you can see the left of the shipwright's is somewhat erased, hiding possible characters there. The image also has enough space for two tall characters on the left side. One, probably on the left of the shipwright, would be Jinbe/Saigo. The other, between Zoro and Sanji, would be the 11th, probably someone of less girth, yet tall.
Now, remember that image in the first Color Walk of future villains yet to appear? It was published around the time the story reached the Grand Line, so pretty early in the series. And it contained my candidate: Hancock.
Hancock's visuals evolved since then, but Oda made it clear that it was intended to be her. Also, Nami even dressed as her (and Robin) in Chapter 97, ditching the clothes because they didn't fit her style.
In Hancock's first appearance, chapter 516, we get a colorspread with all known SH's first appearance (NOT the moment of their joining) in the series. Maybe it was just because the crew had just been separated, but it could also be a hint, especially considering it has the message "A Casual Discovery…" written on it. Could we have casually met a future crewmate in that chapter?
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I heartily endorse Eyepatch Pekoms as the last crewmate.
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Here's something about your thoughts: I agree that the 11th Straw Hat was probably someone Oda thought way back in the beginning of the series. Plus, in the second crew concept art, you can see the left of the shipwright's is somewhat erased, hiding possible characters there. The image also has enough space for two tall characters on the left side. One, probably on the left of the shipwright, would be Jinbe/Saigo. The other, between Zoro and Sanji, would be the 11th, probably someone of less girth, yet tall.
Now, remember that image in the first Color Walk of future villains yet to appear? It was published around the time the story reached the Grand Line, so pretty early in the series. And it contained my candidate: Hancock.
Hancock's visuals evolved since then, but Oda made it clear that it was intended to be her. Also, Nami even dressed as her (and Robin) in Chapter 97, ditching the clothes because they didn't fit her style. I like the point about 516 color spread. I wonder if Oda has the ability to plan something like that though?
In Hancock's first appearance, chapter 516, we get a colorspread with all known SH's first appearance (NOT the moment of their joining) in the series. Maybe it was just because the crew had just been separated, but it could also be a hint, especially considering it has the message "A Casual Discovery…" written on it. Could we have casually met a future crewmate in that chapter?
Some interesting points, though I'm still not sold on Hancock. I do agree she fits the bill of being imagined early in the development of the series. I guess to this point, Luffy did have a memorable first encounter with Hancock. I like the point about the cover of 516. Would Oda be able to plan that in advance?
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
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Some interesting points, though I'm still not sold on Hancock. I do agree she fits the bill of being imagined early in the development of the series. I guess to this point, Luffy did have a memorable first encounter with Hancock.
I think people will only get "sold" when she starts to actually be developed and we get to see what she was like before slavery.
I mean, she has been a character that's mostly told about rather than shown. We are told she's strong, but never saw her going all-out. We were told her origin, but never saw her flashback. Once her story starts to get shown, I think a lot of people will get on board.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I think people will only get "sold" when she starts to actually be developed and we get to see what she was like before slavery.
I mean, she has been a character that's mostly told about rather than shown. We are told she's strong, but never saw her going all-out. We were told her origin, but never saw her flashback. Once her story starts to get shown, I think a lot of people will get on board.
I think what's interesting here is that both she and Smoker could be involved in the next story arc if it is related to Vegapunk. So it's an opportunity for both of our theories to be tested lol
Arguments for Hancock have been around for a long time, but you have made the best points in her favor that I have seen.
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I think what's interesting here is that both she and Smoker could be involved in the next story arc if it is related to Vegapunk. So it's an opportunity for both of our theories to be tested lol
Arguments for Hancock have been around for a long time, but you have made the best points in her favor that I have seen.
There's one final thing to consider I forgot to mention.
In Fishman Island, we got to see Fisher Tiger's story. However, that flashback skipped his rampage in Mary Geoise. Again, we were told, but never shown. Why?
I suspect it's because that moment is reserved for another flashback: Hancock's.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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There's one final thing to consider I forgot to mention.
In Fishman Island, we got to see Fisher Tiger's story. However, that flashback skipped his rampage in Mary Geoise. Again, we were told, but never shown. Why?
I suspect it's because that moment is reserved for another flashback: Hancock's.
The story already went through enough of both Hancock's and Fisher Tiger's perspectives to get what we needed to know: Hancock and her sisters were subjected to horrors they don't want to remember, and FT freed them. It skipped how he freed them because it was saving the twist that he was also a slave there.
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The story already went through enough of both Hancock's and Fisher Tiger's perspectives to get what we needed to know: Hancock and her sisters were subjected to horrors they don't want to remember, and FT freed them. It skipped how he freed them because it was saving the twist that he was also a slave there.
This is a good point and likely the reason Oda skipped showing the Marijoa escape in Hancock's flashback.
Jimbei's formal introduction also came right around the same time as Hancock, so I feel like this buildup was used for Jimbei's joining arc rather than for Hancock.
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Maybe Oda still intends to show Fisher Tiger releasing the slaves in Mary Geoise, but that would be the third time telling the same event.
Anyway, the two reasons why I believe Oda didn't properly show that scene was (1) it would show too much of Mary Geoise too early, (2) it would take a lot of pages to tell an event which is mostly action, the kind of stuff that Oda does offscreen anyway.
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It's one thing to say that Hancock may not join even if she's about to return to the story and has a flashback to be told. We've seen non-SH characters with flashbacks, like Wiper, Kyros and Law, after all.
It's another to believe that Oda won't show Fisher Tiger's greatest achievement, and from the emotional perspective of the slaves he was freeing, no less.
As for me, I will double the bet by saying that Hancock's flashback will also cover Fisher Tiger's and Koala's time as a slave, as their three stories intertwine in captivity.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
