Katakuri was a "paramecia" in name only. His ability was clearly more like a "logia" and he was initially introduced as such.
Yeah, but Oda changed it to a Paramecia for some reason, so maybe there's some logic behind it.
Katakuri was a "paramecia" in name only. His ability was clearly more like a "logia" and he was initially introduced as such.
Yeah, but Oda changed it to a Paramecia for some reason, so maybe there's some logic behind it.
"Special paramecia" is what it was labeled I believe.
"Special paramecia" is what it was labeled I believe.
Yep.
My interpretation is that his fruit does not make him intangible, but he's still mochi and can make his body "flow". So, with Observation, he can predict strikes and "move" out of the way, similar to a logia, but that's not the natural behavior of the fruit.
He is "mochi" and can and produce it from his body. That is basic "logia" ability.
I think it's more than evident that his power is essentially Logia. To me it's the fact that his element is manmade that classifies him as Paramecia.
This is more a scientific question,maybe: Could Kizaru with the awakening of his fruit,get to time travel?
That's actually a really interesting thought considering all the scientific theories on the subject. I would say it should be possible Awakening or not but maybe it's too powerful for One Piece so Oda wouldn't do it. Should it ever happen I'll be looking back to your post though.
Enies Lobby may have been affected by an awakened light logia in the past. It being day light 100% of the time fits perfectly into the possibilities that an awakened logia could provide.
So you're saying there was an actual limitation to how Crocodile's drying powers worked and that it even required an explanation because that is not how sand works…
That's why some people believe that's, at least part of, his awakening, because it's an ability that goes beyond what we should expect. Smoker never did anything like it, nor Ace, nor any other logias. They usually manipulate themselves as an element, they don't turn their surroundings to their element.
As for how that would work for Kizaru ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe it's something like Enel's final techniques, transforming himself into a giant being of pure element, that's also something we've never seen other logias do.p.s. we don't know if Crocodile could pull that ability off with both hands for obvious reasons
In regards to Ace there were two moments in the manga that could definitely fit into the awakened category. My personal belief is that it was just Oda hinting at Ace's ability but then later created or fleshed out awakening that would not contradict what happened in Alabasta and Drum.
Some random NPC was given a message to Luffy from Ace. After Luffy and the gang left Drum the NPC ran to Dalton claiming he forgot to mention something.
Chapter 154
"About a week ago a traveler appeared in Robelu Town. It was a strange day. It didn't snow."
Katakuri was introduced as a Logia and whether Oda meant that or not I think the special paramecia bit was absolutely fantastic. Luffy was touching the guy as far as we could tell but his Haki wasn't working. It was a nice little mystery before it was figured out and shed light on what Akainu may have done at the war. It also gave a huge boost to CoO which I thought was lacking, though not as much as CoC, lol.
Katakuri may be like Luffy where he is always mochi. His ability may also be like Foxy's or Hancocks in which he can create a substance as well. Mochi does grow in nature, maybe he was just growing himself? Or just the simple fact that he was awakened was probably why he could create things seemingly out of thin air.
Yep.
My interpretation is that his fruit does not make him intangible, but he's still mochi and can make his body "flow". So, with Observation, he can predict strikes and "move" out of the way, similar to a logia, but that's not the natural behavior of the fruit.
His fruit works like a logia in every sense. His ability factors in to allow him to "move out of the way" before the attack reaches him, so even haki coated attacks can't solidify him as logia would. The Future Vision makes his abilities beyond logia, but without it is already pretty much the same (the fact it was initially said to be logia, but then retconned on the volumes, kinda reinforces it was conceived as a logia in every sense, I suppose Oda changed it because mochi is not natural or simply because he wanted the BMP to be 100% Paramecia).
Law recognized the outfit but on the same time we have seen that the comic version outfit was actually Yellow/orange and not black.
So why? And how did Law could still recognize it?
Judge's raid suit didn't look exactly as depicted in the comic (825). It was said to be sensationalized by Morgans anyway
Judge's raid suit didn't look exactly as depicted in the comic (825). It was said to be sensationalized by Morgans anyway
Yeah but the color scheme was off as well
I checked it up. In the manga we never have seen Stealth Black colored so maybe it is an anime thing, which is stupid considering the nickname
Who do you think will die from the alliance's side? Or is it even necessary? (Obviously a non SH character if ever)
It isn't necessary, but the hints are there for characters like a Scabbard or 2 and even a Beast Pirate imo. Perospero has had it coming since WCI arc, i'm keeping an eye on him.
@Gol:
Who do you think will die from the alliance's side? Or is it even necessary? (Obviously a non SH character if ever)
I think the most likely to bite the dust is Denjiro.
I was just in a thread about how Rebecca's narrative was somewhat overlooked. Losing her mother, forgetting her father that was there, being hated and shouldering vengeance.
That got me to think about how so many characters and narratives being in some of these arcs can overshadow narratives for some readers. I don't forget or overlook it, but should Oda cut down on the amount of narratives going on in some of these arcs?
I don't think so, but that's just because I selfishly feel like I can keep up and can't really commiserate with those who can't. I'm more so understanding than sympathetic to that plight.
I think the most likely to bite the dust is Denjiro.
Awwwwww. What’s your reasoning behind it? He’s my favorite Scabbard along with Nekomamushi. For me, Kiku and either Neko or Inuarashi.
@Gol:
Awwwwww. What’s your reasoning behind it? He’s my favorite Scabbard along with Nekomamushi. For me, Kiku and either Neko or Inuarashi.
I feel it's exactly because he's the coolest Scabbard but also the one that has least story to tie up. Inu and Neko need to mend their friendship (NOT just put asides differences), Kiku has to celebrate with her brother, Kin'emon has to see Oden's dream come true (I know all the Scabbards want this, but Kin is THE main Scabbard), and so on.
So, I think that leaves Ashura and Denjiro as the ones with least dangling plot lines. Any of them could die, but Denjiro is the one whose death would be felt the most by the readers.
Kin'emon did say he felt like he was going to die. I don't have any hard data, but it feels to me like characters who are in that boat typically live to fight another day. He would probably be the most impactful death. I feel like other potential death options are:
Kanjuro, if he has a change of heart and defects from the bad guys.
Raizo, if he's protecting the minks.
Ashura, if his sacrifice is a tribute to his comrades who attacked Onigashima 10 years earlier and died.
IMO only Kin'emon and Kanjuro have more than a 2% chance of dying.
I don't feel like it would be right to kill any of the others.
Denjiro has the most political power and experience among the Scabbards. He will almost certainly play a big role in rebuilding Wano while Momonosuke continues to grow up. Plus, if Kin'emon dies Denjiro absolutely needs to stay alive as the other original Scabbards member.
Kiku dying would have little impact on the story, and judging by Pound's survival there's no chance that Oda would kill her or Izo after reuniting.
Kawamatsu is better off being alive. He's already been through hell, and has tied loose ends with Hiyori. As a fish-man, he could play a considerable role in Wano's reopening in terms of helping the citizens accept different races and maybe being a liason to Fishman island.
It doesn't really make sense to kill Inu and Neko either. Back in the Zou arc Pedro insisted that their lives be saved first, because "the world is waiting for them". Now, maybe that statement will come to pass in this arc, but it still makes no sense for one of them to die for it. They are clearly a package deal and them treating each other as dead was already a plot point.
Counterpoint: Law dies in this arc.
@Kaido:
Kin'emon did say he felt like he was going to die. I don't have any hard data, but it feels to me like characters who are in that boat typically live to fight another day. He would probably be the most impactful death. I feel like other potential death options are:
Kanjuro, if he has a change of heart and defects from the bad guys.
Raizo, if he's protecting the minks.
Ashura, if his sacrifice is a tribute to his comrades who attacked Onigashima 10 years earlier and died.IMO only Kin'emon and Kanjuro have more than a 2% chance of dying.
I don't feel like it would be right to kill any of the others.
Denjiro has the most political power and experience among the Scabbards. He will almost certainly play a big role in rebuilding Wano while Momonosuke continues to grow up. Plus, if Kin'emon dies Denjiro absolutely needs to stay alive as the other original Scabbards member.
Kiku dying would have little impact on the story, and judging by Pound's survival there's no chance that Oda would kill her or Izo after reuniting.
Kawamatsu is better off being alive. He's already been through hell, and has tied loose ends with Hiyori. As a fish-man, he could play a considerable role in Wano's reopening in terms of helping the citizens accept different races and maybe being a liason to Fishman island.
It doesn't really make sense to kill Inu and Neko either. Back in the Zou arc Pedro insisted that their lives be saved first, because "the world is waiting for them". Now, maybe that statement will come to pass in this arc, but it still makes no sense for one of them to die for it. They are clearly a package deal and them treating each other as dead was already a plot point.
Counterpoint: Law dies in this arc.
Raizo definitely wanted to pay them back. I didn't think of that, wow. Asura's story of those samurai is something i've been keeping in mind.
Kin'nemon did say he felt he was going to die, but Ashura told him ''if we die, we die together'', and he was speaking for all the scabbards. I don't think Oda would contradict that statement, but I don't think he'd just go and kill all the scabbards either.
Best shikomizue user, Tamago, Fuji, or Brook?
It’s our gentleman skeleton…
@Gol:
Who do you think will die from the alliance's side? Or is it even necessary? (Obviously a non SH character if ever)
The most quoted in all the theories around the web are Law and Jinbei.
From the samurai,i think Deinjiro because he has a tragic story,and Kinemon because of some of his recents dialogues where he kept saying he was ready to die (similar to Jinbei who many times in the story said he was ready to die in battle). But probably in the end nobody will die because that's One Piece. If Wano was written by Joss Whedon,he would have killed many people because he says during big battles the protagonists have to lose someone because you cant do a battle like this without sacrificing something. I think he may be right,but at the same time i'm happy Oda is writing Wano instead of Whedon of course.
Was it done on purpose by Oda or is it just me that this all feels more like Kinemon's story more than Momos'? In FI arc, I felt like Shirahoshi and Jinbe shared a great amount of focus. Fisher Tiger's right hand, an honorable and dutiful fishman that wants best for his people and Luffy's comrade was basically his narrative. Shirahoshi wasn't just another person that Luffy encouraged to go for their treasure or goal, she was Poseidon and someone that carried on Otohime's will like Jinbe did for Fisher Tiger and Otihime. I feel like that they both were equally focused on in that narrative.
Now, I feel like Kinemon has overshadowed Momo during many points. From the flashback to every arc since PH, I feel like this is more about Kinemon's mission than Momo being developed to do whatever he's destined to do. That can be taking the Shogun role from Orochi or just holding that off and sailing until he's more experienced. Maybe because Momo is a Kozuki and his role in the story is bigger, maybe Oda is giving most of the focus to Kinemon for this plot. I just don't know how to feel about all of this. Is Momo's narrative lacking or is Kinemon's narrative supposed to take priority in all of this? Not saying that Momo's importance or focus is diminutive. Just that i'm looking for the Jinbe/Shirahoshi balance when it comes to focus due to Momo being Oden's son.
Thats true,i have to say i was disappointed to see that Momo didnt manage to free himself from Kanjuro,i was sure it was his chance to finally do something cool. I really dont know what to say about Momo,sometimes it seems like he is important,sometimes it seems just like the classic children we can see in some arcs like Aisa or Chimney.
@Kaido:
Kin'emon did say he felt like he was going to die. I don't have any hard data, but it feels to me like characters who are in that boat typically live to fight another day. He would probably be the most impactful death. I feel like other potential death options are:
Kanjuro, if he has a change of heart and defects from the bad guys.
Raizo, if he's protecting the minks.
Ashura, if his sacrifice is a tribute to his comrades who attacked Onigashima 10 years earlier and died.IMO only Kin'emon and Kanjuro have more than a 2% chance of dying.
I don't feel like it would be right to kill any of the others.
Denjiro has the most political power and experience among the Scabbards. He will almost certainly play a big role in rebuilding Wano while Momonosuke continues to grow up. Plus, if Kin'emon dies Denjiro absolutely needs to stay alive as the other original Scabbards member.
Kiku dying would have little impact on the story, and judging by Pound's survival there's no chance that Oda would kill her or Izo after reuniting.
Kawamatsu is better off being alive. He's already been through hell, and has tied loose ends with Hiyori. As a fish-man, he could play a considerable role in Wano's reopening in terms of helping the citizens accept different races and maybe being a liason to Fishman island.
It doesn't really make sense to kill Inu and Neko either. Back in the Zou arc Pedro insisted that their lives be saved first, because "the world is waiting for them". Now, maybe that statement will come to pass in this arc, but it still makes no sense for one of them to die for it. They are clearly a package deal and them treating each other as dead was already a plot point.
Counterpoint: Law dies in this arc.
Solid points.
Agree with Law. It's in the back of my mind since it was revealed that Kaido wasn't really his true objective. He can be an impactful death too. This is a war with an emperor and the alliance shouldn't come off unscathed.
Can someone please tell me where the nickname Jaggy is coming from? Luffy and Zoro even call Kid by that name but I neither seem to remember when it happened the first time nor do I really get what the nickname refers to in the first place. Seems like the right thread to ask a question like this.
Can someone please tell me where the nickname Jaggy is coming from? Luffy and Zoro even call Kid by that name but I neither seem to remember when it happened the first time nor do I really get what the nickname refers to in the first place. Seems like the right thread to ask a question like this.
It's referring to Kid's jagged/spiky hair. It started in Ch. 926.
It's referring to Kid's jagged/spiky hair. It started in Ch. 926.
Oh that's it. I was not familiar with the term so it confused the hell out of me. Thanks for the info.
Now I'm curious what they call him in Japanese.
My question is where is the best place to read all of One Piece legally? I don't mind paying for a subscription to Viz Media if they have all the chapters. Thank you in advance! :3
(I want to catch up again, and I feel it's best to start over, as where I stopped it was somewhere in the Wano arc.)
My question is where is the best place to read all of One Piece legally? I don't mind paying for a subscription to Viz Media if they have all the chapters. Thank you in advance! :3
(I want to catch up again, and I feel it's best to start over, as where I stopped it was somewhere in the Wano arc.)
VIZ has the entire series available digitally, as I understand it - though only the three most recent chapters are available to read without a subscription. So that's probably your best bet.
We're still in the Wano arc, though…
VIZ has the entire series available digitally, as I understand it - though only the three most recent chapters are available to read without a subscription. So that's probably your best bet.
Great, thank you so much! :happy:
We're still in the Wano arc, though…
Oh, I see. I didn't think it was still going. Well, that's good to know.
Great, thank you so much! :happy:
No problem.
Oh, I see. I didn't think it was still going. Well, that's good to know.
It's a long one…
Even longer than Dressrosa?
I'd have to check, but we're on track to surpass it, if we haven't already.
Wano's currently at 75 chapters. We could be realistically looking at a 120-140 chapter arc.
I'd have to check, but we're on track to surpass it, if we haven't already.
@Kaido:
Wano's currently at 75 chapters. We could be realistically looking at a 120-140 chapter arc.
Oh, wow. It seems like a very important story arc then.
I kinda vibe with Law/Denjiro/Kinemon dying. Any of those would be poignant and tragic in their own ways, after what each of them has endured, and would definitely be more impactful than if a less-developed alliance member ate it. But I do kinda hope somebody of note dies in all this, it'd definitely help increasing sense of stakes that I think the series has (mostly) succeeded with post-timeskip.
I also think Law dying would be a fine twist for the "worst generation" triad stuff. I've been suspecting (hoping, maybe) that Kidd actually takes Kaido's life at the end of all of this (while Luffy will be the one to land the finishing blow, of course). It's hard to imagine a way for Kaido to be meaningfully defeated while still being alive, given what little we know about him, and it would give a good deal of weight to Kidd's rep as a savage dude/set him up to be a more serious antagonist towards Luffy later on.
But it's really hard for me to imagine what Law would do in this story after Kaido's defeat except just… sail around, if the alliance is indeed over. I don't see Law and Luffy having a real fight with gravitas during the story, and as a D. I think there's potential for a "sacrifice himself so that Luffy can go on to do his thing" end, a la Saul. This would also get Law out of the picture, leave Kidd as a more meaningful rival, and permanently take two significant actors out of the series endgame.
Just a thought!
How old are the members of the scabbards who didn't travel through time be now?
@Gol:
How old are the members of the scabbards who didn't travel through time be now?
Neko and Inu are 40, Ashura is 56. Denjiro probably also somewhere around 50+, and Kawamatsu 40+.
What is the World Government stand on Germa 66's wars? Are they condoned, just like shichibukai's pillages? Or maybe the warmongers are only allowed to make war in nations that are not affiliated with the World Government?
What is the World Government stand on Germa 66's wars? Are they condoned, just like shichibukai's pillages? Or maybe the warmongers are only allowed to make war in nations that are not affiliated with the World Government?
Seems to me that they only become active when there are stalemates and the World Government doesn’t intervene. I don’t think those countries would pay money to Germa otherwise…
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Do you think all those retired heroes from Roger’s era (Rayleigh, Garp, Scopper, Shiki?) will participate in the final war?
Do the Strawhats have any money right now?
Was it done on purpose by Oda or is it just me that this all feels more like Kinemon's story more than Momos'? In FI arc, I felt like Shirahoshi and Jinbe shared a great amount of focus. Fisher Tiger's right hand, an honorable and dutiful fishman that wants best for his people and Luffy's comrade was basically his narrative. Shirahoshi wasn't just another person that Luffy encouraged to go for their treasure or goal, she was Poseidon and someone that carried on Otohime's will like Jinbe did for Fisher Tiger and Otihime. I feel like that they both were equally focused on in that narrative.
Now, I feel like Kinemon has overshadowed Momo during many points. From the flashback to every arc since PH, I feel like this is more about Kinemon's mission than Momo being developed to do whatever he's destined to do. That can be taking the Shogun role from Orochi or just holding that off and sailing until he's more experienced. Maybe because Momo is a Kozuki and his role in the story is bigger, maybe Oda is giving most of the focus to Kinemon for this plot. I just don't know how to feel about all of this. Is Momo's narrative lacking or is Kinemon's narrative supposed to take priority in all of this? Not saying that Momo's importance or focus is diminutive. Just that i'm looking for the Jinbe/Shirahoshi balance when it comes to focus due to Momo being Oden's son.
I feel like Momo's narrative took precedent during Zou and they've been about equal since then. Kinemon started off the Oden flashback, but by the end more focus was put on Momo. Same with the Wano focus in general. Kinemon is the focal point of the scabbards, but Momo is probably going to be pretty front and center in the next couple chapters.
I feel like Momo's narrative took precedent during Zou and they've been about equal since then. Kinemon started off the Oden flashback, but by the end more focus was put on Momo. Same with the Wano focus in general. Kinemon is the focal point of the scabbards, but Momo is probably going to be pretty front and center in the next couple chapters.
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Momo was like 2nd fiddle to Tama and Chopper for the Udon escape/Linlin adventures. Kinemon has been leading the Scabbards and the whole operation as he's supposed to. He had to "earn" Ashura back with his scheme. Kinemon was way more of a spotlight of the flashback than Momo due to being 1 of the first Scabbards. Post flashback has been a lot of Kin focus compared to Momo.
In Zou, Momo does take most of the focus and between the 2, there is a balance of focus in Punk Hazard. It goes
It is true that Momo got the focus when Kaido appeared to burn the place. The arc isn't over and the Zunesha/Momo seed was planted, as well as Momo promising everyone that he'll overcome in some way. Maybe he'll finally get some control of his DF and escape or show some kind of leadership going forward.
There’s lots of allusion to the possibility. What do you think?
No, I do not believe Luffy will die.
I think he will but I hope he doesn't
Chapter 63: I Won’t Die
No. I don't think that's the story Oda is going for with Luffy.
There’s lots of allusion to the possibility. What do you think?
Moved to the Questions thread.
But it's a distinct possibility it will end with his death, passing of the hat, etc. I don't think it'll be in the present timeline, though. More like 20-30 years when he's had his fun.