Twice died for two reasons: 1) he was the most powerful member of the Legion of Doom by a comically large margin, nothing that Shigaraki could get as a power up would come close to Twice's potential, and Horikoshi had to off him because fuck writing fights around that, and 2) Twice is the only member of the Legion that the audience is guaranteed to have at least some sympathy for, so pathos could be wrung out of killing him.
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He is addressing that though. Many of the villains are victims of one of the two.
only spinner is tho
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only spinner is tho
Twice and Toga are both victims of social injustice. Twice in particular lost a legal battle solely because of his looks while Toga didn't get the necessary psychiatric help for her condition (because society could not provide it). Spinner was specifically a case of racism, which is one of the many forms of social injustice.
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Twice and Toga are both victims of social injustice. Twice in particular lost a legal battle solely because of his looks while Toga didn't get the necessary psychiatric help for her condition (because society could not provide it). Spinner was specifically a case of racism, which is one of the many forms of social injustice.
when did twice lose a legal battle because of his looks, also he looks normal?
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when did twice lose a legal battle because of his looks, also he looks normal?
toga's parents did send her to quirk counseling i don't see what else they could have done since her thirst for blood is biological not psychological
Some people have biological conditions that don't allow them to function properly in society and sometimes they end up abandoned. Have you never met a disabled person? Or someone with a genetic condition like Down syndrome? And that's only the biological disorders.
Heck, have you heard of Renfield's syndrome?
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hmm, this doesn't really show any systematic problems other than that trial by jury is bad but yeah i guess it's an injustice.
also it was never mentioned that he actually got a criminal record only a chance of one,and he got fired for a completely different reason anyway.Some people have biological conditions that don't allow them to function properly in society and sometimes they end up abandoned. Have you never met a disabled person? Or someone with a genetic condition like Down syndrome? And that's only the biological disorders.
not at all equivalent to toga's urge to be a serial killer, also she wasn't abandoned she ran away after possibly murdering someone.
Heck, have you heard of Renfield's syndrome?
yes, and it's bullshit it even says so in that article
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Some people have biological conditions that don't allow them to function properly in society and sometimes they end up abandoned. Have you never met a disabled person? Or someone with a genetic condition like Down syndrome? And that's only the biological disorders.
Heck, have you heard of Renfield's syndrome?
Twice's problems had nothing to do with hero society and everything to do with japan itself. Same with Shiggy.
Toga is a psychopath, no help for that.
Spinner was treated poorly ina a small town. Instead of moving away and seeing that other places arent like that he went on a crime spree.
The entire MLA is a joke and completely implausible.
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hmm, this doesn't really show any systematic problems other than that trial by jury is bad but yeah i guess it's an injustice.
also it was never mentioned that he actually got a criminal record only a chance of one,and he got fired for a completely different reason anyway.He also happens to be an orphan, who aren't viewed with good eyes on family-centric Japan. And he ends up unemployed in work-centric Japan, so that's a double-whammy of social outcasting.
In any case, the injustice doesn't have to come from one's Quirk. That's irrelevant.
not at all equivalent to toga's urge to be a serial killer, also she wasn't abandoned she ran away after possibly murdering someone.
By "abandoned", I mean abandoned by society.
Society can't really help Toga with her biological needs, so she is forced to be an outcast as well. The problem is somewhat similar to Spinner since it's not really their fault for being who they are.
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Twice's problems had nothing to do with hero society and everything to do with japan itself. Same with Shiggy.
Toga is a psychopath, no help for that.
Spinner was treated poorly ina a small town. Instead of moving away and seeing that other places arent like that he went on a crime spree.
The entire MLA is a joke and completely implausible.
Hero Society is not the problem though? Heroes are just cops with celebrity status. It makes no sense for them to be the root of a problem since they're the ones with training and education. Maybe Dabi is a victim of whatever Endeavor did, but that's still a mystery.
Like, it's not really the fault of heroes that Quirk racism is a thing. That's a problem of society and people overall.
Also, I like that you think Spinner's problem could be solved by just going somewhere that somehow has no racism. Some places are just less racist than others, but not clear of it at all.
Also, do you really think the MLA is implausible when the NRA exists? The guys who have some of the strongest lobby schemes in the US government?
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Toga is definitely sympathetic.
Girl's quirk gave her a fascination with blood that wasn't considered "acceptable" or "normal" by society at large. The quirk counseling they sent her to most likely made things worse and her parents scolding her or not being "normal"?
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Yikes, it's not like the celebrity cops could have any influence in the general population if they started advocating for changes in the inherent societal issues, or advocating for the rehabilitation of petty criminals instead of incarceration and ostracize, more like Batman in TAS, less like Batman in Snyder's wet dream.
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I believe that the issue is the opposite of what you paint, putting the celebrity part on the cops makes people who live for combat and practice might makes right (as long as it is the protection of the majority) turns them from humans into exemplars of what should be, and whenever people don’t see them solving all ills of society, then they feel justified to ignore the ills that the heroes do, as in if wash were to go around promoting clean energy instead of LG brand, how Or why do you expect a washing machine man to Be the one that tells you “use renewable power sources mmkay” instead of the experts?
The problem is not in heroes, the problem is in society not valuing true heroes. Or just the people that knows how to do a job, really.
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Yikes, it's not like the celebrity cops could have any influence in the general population if they started advocating for changes in the inherent societal issues, or advocating for the rehabilitation of petty criminals instead of incarceration and ostracize, more like Batman in TAS, less like Batman in Snyder's wet dream.
People have such a tendency to cut thing black an white with this series that tend to ignore the little hints given by Hori that things aren't swell, like a whole generation or more of society simply putting their trust in peace and security on the shoulders of a single man.There's nothing indicating this isn't the case already? Twice was offered a chance for rehab, but rejected it.
Honestly, it just seems the problem lies in people, but villains blame heroes for it. It's not like a hero could have done anything for Toga, or Spinner, or Twice, since their problems were outside the scope of their work.
Like, Tomura blames heroes for what happened to his family, but that was just because of All For One feeding his head with lies. In the end, Tomura was the who brought it to himself, as a result of a father who couldn't get over his hero mom. Ultimately, the responsibility falls entirely within All For One anyway since he was the one who forced Nana into her predicament.
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Tldr; punchy man is not role model for everything. Should not be. Punchy man does important job to stop evil punchy people, but punchy man is not above the law, punchy man does not get to rewrite the law, and punchy man cannot be taken as an example of a good life because punchy man can’t stop wife beater man or prevent power level trader man from taking control of alergies kid, or eat unassisted.
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Maybe the problem lies with the general population.
But I don't think I articulate my thoughts clearly; I don't expect the pro heroes to use their influence to advocate for subjects our of their fields such as renewable energy sources, climate change and recycling; I would want them to see them talking about "why the crime rates remain stable even if so much heroes out there? Don't we rehabilitate well enough petty criminals? Do they face prejudice from society trying to get their seconds chance?" or "Why the number of young villains keep on rising? Do these individuals felt so ostracized by their peers that they think their only alternative is to lash on society? Is there a systemic bullying and racism against people with quirk deemed un-heroic? What we can do to change that?"; "Is there racism and prejudice against mutant type quirks? He one with size alteration, they get enough support of living spaces and clothing? Do we do enough for including them in society?"; "Do children with problematic quirks (ie Toga and Stain) get adequate clinical and psychiatric treatment in order for their quirk do not become a problem for themselves and other?".
I think that long time heroes should be smart enough to perceive an pattern of criminal behavior, and try to act to diminish said pattern. But like max said, society decided that they are pillars of example and the things they ignore, are allowed for us normal citizens to ignore too; which is plainly wrong in both ways.
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Toga is definitely sympathetic.
Girl's quirk gave her a fascination with blood that wasn't considered "acceptable" or "normal" by society at large.
The quirk counseling they sent her to most likely made things worse and her parents scolding her or not being "normal"?Exactly. This is why I sympathize with Toga.
It's kind of like a Shinso situation.
Because his quirk is brainwashing, people constantly mentioned how it seemed more suited to villainy,
which really weighed him down mentally.Though obviously, Toga was quick to actually act like one.
Toga's quirk is entirely about consuming blood.
Naturally, she started out as a creepy kid who wanted to bite and feed on everything.
But instead of trying to understand her and help her channel her desires in a healthy way,
everyone in her life was like "oh my gosh, act normal you little freak".
I have no doubt that trying to behave only made those desires bubble under the surface for several years until they finally exploded,
resulting in the murder that forced her on the run.So she's pretty tragic in my eyes, since she clearly has mental issues and is on autopilot to keep sating her rooted desires.
She's done terrible things and murdered plenty, but I can't consider her to be evil. She's all instinct and inner nature.
She claims to LOVE the people she drinks. She genuinely loves them (from her own perspective of love).
It's one of those sad cases where a Judge would probably put the convicted person in a mental facility instead of jailing them or condemning them.I adored that she found a friendship with Twice, which is why it hit me so much when they had to seperate forever,
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Maybe the problem lies with the general population.
But I don't think I articulate my thoughts clearly; I don't expect the pro heroes to use their influence to advocate for subjects our of their fields such as renewable energy sources, climate change and recycling; I would want them to see them talking about "why the crime rates remain stable even if so much heroes out there? Don't we rehabilitate well enough petty criminals? Do they face prejudice from society trying to get their seconds chance?" or "Why the number of young villains keep on rising? Do these individuals felt so ostracized by their peers that they think their only alternative is to lash on society? Is there a systemic bullying and racism against people with quirk deemed un-heroic? What we can do to change that?"; "Is there racism and prejudice against mutant type quirks? He one with size alteration, they get enough support of living spaces and clothing? Do we do enough for including them in society?"; "Do children with problematic quirks (ie Toga and Stain) get adequate clinical and psychiatric treatment in order for their quirk do not become a problem for themselves and other?".
I think that long time heroes should be smart enough to perceive an pattern of criminal behavior, and try to act to diminish said pattern. But like max said, society decided that they are pillars of example and the things they ignore, are allowed for us normal citizens to ignore too; which is plainly wrong in both ways.
I believe that the ultimate problem is that society hasn't adapted to Quirks overall, meaning the whole world is sorta slowly self-destructing.
Everybody has their own personal weapons, so it's difficult to keep everything in line.
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! Goodbye Crust, you died as you lived…disappointing.
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Vigilante 78 is out
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Vig talk
! Yep, makes sense a top 10 hero would show up. Even more interesting
It's a hero who has a off-putting personality like Endeavor since we have a villain posing as a hero. Koichi will need someone with a
Strong quirk to help deal with Six. Hmm, actually I can see a straight up Six vs Endeavor fight now and
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! Oh boy, an Endevor hasjoined the brawl, one that hasn't had character progression yet…
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! Goodbye Crust, you died as you lived…disappointing.
! I say he went out like a great hero.
He cut the Nomu's arm off instead of prioritizing his own escape,
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! I'm feeling the same thing with Crust that I did with Twice. Now that he's gone, it's weird to see where his story arc started and where it ended. The guy certainly stood out thanks to his spot on the charts, but he hasn't really done anything yet or had a cool sequence like say, Mirko did. He was a "just there character, then suddenly he dies saving the life of several main characters. Was that his purpose? Did Horikoshi just want to create a selfless hero like this, making him stand out just enough to not get popular, but make us notice him when he finally died? Weird, but I guess that's how it is.
! I will say, I guess in the end his constant talk about caring and sacrifice rang true, as the guy gave it all up without hesitation when the moment came. It was, perhaps, the greatest example of heroism in this series yet, and I'll be hard pressed to forget Crust after this even if he himself was a kind of background character. -
I'm sorry, was I supposed to know or care about that one hero who died? I don't even know what his name was.
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Are we in the final arc? It certainly feels like.
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Are we in the final arc? It certainly feels like.
I think it's more Marine ford that Final war.
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Well damn, they are screwed, but seeing so much destruction makes me wonder if Shiggy really needs more quirks at all. The stars of this chapter were certainly Crust, Torino and Ryukyu. The first may not have had enough screentime or feats, but his heroic death was well done.
Are we in the final arc? It certainly feels like.
It actually may be the end of My Hero Academia, kinda like how Naruto ended and then started Naruto Shippuden. So once this arc ends Hori and the anime could get to rest for a year, then "My Hero Remix" starts. Jokes aside, I have no idea how the shippuden equivalent for MHA could be called.
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The guy who died was Crust, one of the top 10 heroes, he was giving Mirko support when she was doing well against the nomu.
Wash might be dead, they were still on ground during the shiggy wave. Same with the earth powered pussycat.
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Crust went out a true hero.
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The guy who died was Crust, one of the top 10 heroes, he was giving Mirko support when she was doing well against the nomu.
Wash might be dead, they were still on ground during the shiggy wave. Same with the earth powered pussycat.
Nah. Pixiebob was able to counter Decay with flowing earth (similar to fire smothering). I don't think Decay would work on fluids.
And Wash can just make bubbles to float away.
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He decayed energy beams before his upgrade. No reason he shouldnt decay everything.
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He decayed energy beams before his upgrade. No reason he shouldnt decay everything.
If you destroy the things where his Decay spreads through, it should stop it to an extent.
We see Izuku doing this in this chapter. Pixiebob does something similar by destroying the concrete with an avalanche.
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He decayed energy beams before his upgrade. No reason he shouldnt decay everything.
I mean, Re-Destro´s stress black thingie seemed like some kind of matter, so I think Shigaraki still has the limit of not being able of extending his decay throught sand.
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I kept asking for heroes to start dying and now it might happen I am looking everywhere asking "Where is Gang Orca? Have you seen Gang Orca? GANG ORCA!!!"
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The Pussycats probably make it out, Wash (as the Greatest Hero) definitely does, everyone on the Blue Eyes White Airlift makes it, that hospital is totally boned tho.
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Having not checked out Vigilantes yet, I have no particular attachment to most adult heroes out there. As long as Aizawa and Mike make it out, I think I'm good.
Thing are picking up fast. My only concern is that the only take away from this whole situation for the kids will end up being "Just be stronger, tougher, smarter heroes than the old guard so we're prepared to stop this from ever happening again." Hopefully Hawks will at least give Tokoyami a deep talk where he gives him Twice's and his own story and imparts some final passing advice to help these people before they become villains before he bites it.
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Shiggy saying he was cold may have something to do with being incomplete. Don't think he's doing much else after this attack only because him and Giantomacia would end everyone. I like what Hori did with Crust. It's okay for a minor character to have a big moment. But yeah that's 3 of the Top
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Are we in the final arc? It certainly feels like.
More likely final arc of the part 1.
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Yeah, why would this be the final arc of the series? Deku hasn't even achieved a 100% output by himself, let alone gained access to the other predecessors' quirks. Shigaraki just now became the endgame threat, it would be like One Piece had ended after Blackbeard stole the Gura Gura no Mi. If anything, this is the halfway point which would also fit series-length-wise.
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it would be like One Piece had ended after Blackbeard stole the Gura Gura no Mi.
Very good analogy, I like it.
Yeah, there's still a long way to go.
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I kept asking for heroes to start dying and now it might happen I am looking everywhere asking "Where is Gang Orca? Have you seen Gang Orca? GANG ORCA!!!"
I mean, Gang Orca is basically a reused design from his first manga, so I would say he is safe. Even more so seeing how Ryukyu saved another character that came from that series, the dog heroine that booed Bakugo back then. If a Oumagadoki Zoo character actually bites the dust then it means this is serious, since Hori seems to like them a lot.
Also, I still find funny how Hori simply took an old villain design of his and made him a hero, with the only design change being making him more beefy.
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Being a walking disaster he now is, I wonder if Shigaraki is left with nasty side effects due to being unplugged from the process too soon.
There's bound to be a plot reason preventing him from taking a stroll and ending civilization.
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Almost certainly doing this one blast is going to like, incapacitate him for two years or something, giving them a counting clock to get their timeskip training arc in. This is actually a little later than Naruto's timeskip, a lot earlier than One Piece's and a lot later than Dragonball's.
THough since the entire series is a training arc? I dunno. At the pace its moved so far it always seemed like there was no way it was actually going to spend all three years at the school since six years in they're still first years even though they're already constantly on the front lines.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a time jump coming to try and pop some spark and enthusiasm back into the series.
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I honestly do not see the point of a timeskip when Izuku went from 20% to 45% in a few months already. The whole point of a timeskip is to have characters become stronger without having to show it, something that just happened.
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I honestly do not see the point of a timeskip when Izuku went from 20% to 45% in a few months already. The whole point of a timeskip is to have characters become stronger without having to show it, something that just happened.
He has 8 other power ups to master.
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I just noticed, even if they don’t recover the old man, Toga and a bag of Twice’s blood formerly known as Twice are right there.
I am not feeling the time skip yet, while this amount of death (and a little media fallout on the crimes of Hawks and Endeavor) is bound to send shockwaves, and maybe crumble society as it is, I don’t think that Horikoshi is going to go full “land of villains”, but I do feel like it is time for the governing body to fail catastrophically in how they deal with this crisis.
Like that now it is shown how heroes fail, the general population don’t see them as invencible heroes or paragons, but as the humans that they are, now the weight of their crimes (both real and imposed) will fall on them, and the government will try to force business as usual and overplay their control, just for the audience not feel sorry for them when they get Shiggy’d. And maybe then there is a time skip.
Remember that if hawks killed Jeanist, it was all for nothing, and Even if not, Twice can’t be his first victim.
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Baseless snark or explaining that is less than that because toshinori and deku had no quirks, and I wouldn’t count either the super strength of one for all or black whip as mastered.
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Izuku will probably activate Nana's Float Quirk and just barely control it to escape Shigaraki's dusting.