So Diez Drake is the tenth member, perfect fit
I’ll keep it as a possibility in the back of my mind, still think it’s to early to judge
Although I guess that’s what this thread is for
So Diez Drake is the tenth member, perfect fit
I’ll keep it as a possibility in the back of my mind, still think it’s to early to judge
Although I guess that’s what this thread is for
Holy shit I think I just realized something much more interesting.
Vegapunk is the person who created the process to make inanimate objects get the power of devil fruits, if he had indeed extracted the Nikyu Nikyu No Mi out of Kuma´s body and he intends to give it to the SH´s, we probably don't need a person to eat it, but instead, one of the several objects in the Strawhat Crew, and the most perfect for this purpose is with no doubt, The Shogun Franky.
Vegapunk is the person who created the process to make inanimate objects get the power of devil fruits, if he had indeed extracted the Nikyu Nikyu No Mi out of Kuma´s body and he intends to give it to the SH´s, we probably don't need a person to eat it, but instead, one of the several objects in the Strawhat Crew, and the most perfect for this purpose is with no doubt, The
Shogun Franky.Thousand Sunny
Fixed that for you :P
I still don't know why people are so against Vega Punk joining
you can read One Punch Man to see just how different Cyborgs and Mad Scientists fight
and with Oda's insane creative mind you can just imagine all the crazy weird out there inventions he could give a mad scientist, again just look at all the inventions Child Emperor has in One Punch Man, and then imagine Oda doing that
I still don't know why people are so against Vega Punk joining
Franky kind of already works as the 'Vegapunk' representative, seeing as he's using much of his technology already. It's just a case of redundancy, where it'd be better if new crewmembers expanded on themes we haven't seen rather than bring in more of what we already have. Kinda like adding a Samurai when we already have Zoro, or another Doctor when we already have Chopper (like people asking for Law to join)
Most of these objects are getting Zoan abilities tho. I wonder if there is something special about Zoan because it's centered on creatures or it was more of how to start off this concept, then go into other DF types. Another aspect of the OP world that we are still learning about because we don't know if the Mochi Mochi is the only special Paramecia or not. Along w/ how awakening works.
Most of these special occurrences like
Awakening for Paramecia and Zoan
Leads me to believe that there is more for Logia fruits. The only thing so far is Teach's DF that doesn't allow him a fluid like form. So many applications and nuance to Zoan and Paramecia makes me suspect that there is more for Logia. Not saying that the door is closed on things like Logia being awakened, just the decision on how to unload and sequence these things into the story. I doubt there's no reason for why we experience a lot of these things with Zoan and Paramecia first. I think Logia was introduced before Zoan tho
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Same, Sunny makes more sense
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I still don't know why people are so against Vega Punk joining
you can read One Punch Man to see just how different Cyborgs and Mad Scientists fight
and with Oda's insane creative mind you can just imagine all the crazy weird out there inventions he could give a mad scientist, again just look at all the inventions Child Emperor has in One Punch Man, and then imagine Oda doing that
Not against it, just don't know Vegapunk really. I haven't seen the arguments for against him yet. Any reddit or forum links?
Franky kind of already works as the 'Vegapunk' representative, seeing as he's using much of his technology already. It's just a case of redundancy, where it'd be better if new crewmembers expanded on themes we haven't seen rather than bring in more of what we already have. Kinda like adding a Samurai when we already have Zoro, or another Doctor when we already have Chopper (like people asking for Law to join)
Not against it, just don't know Vegapunk really. I haven't seen the arguments for against him yet. Any reddit or forum links?
Basically people just say what the quote above you says, that Franky already fits that role and there'd be to much overlap
but I def agree we don't know nearly enough about him yet to know whether he's even a candidate, hell we haven't even seen him outside of a silhouette
Most of these objects are getting Zoan abilities tho. I wonder if there is something special about Zoan because it's centered on creatures or it was more of how to start off this concept, then go into other DF types.
Unless it's been confirmed, I'm still on board with Fujitora's sword having the Gravity powers.
Unless it's been confirmed, I'm still on board with Fujitora's sword having the Gravity powers.
I have no proof, but I suspect Shank's sword just off the name Gryphon
Also, Vegapunk has made a bunch of Pacifista. There's modified animals in his hometown. Maybe that can be a clue to this new weapon that has replaced the Warlords. Creatures and inanimate objects that took in DF abilities, but they are modified like the animals from his hometown, Kuma and Sanji's siblings. It would combine many of the things that are attached to his findings
Wouldnt that make the Sunny.. you know', sink?
I'd imagine it could repel water and 'float' above it indefinitely, like a thin barrier of air between the sea and the ship.
On a side note, I think the Paw Paw Fruit abilities seems to compliment Coup De Burst and Gao Cannon nicely. It's like a super upgrade for both systems.
I'd imagine it could repel water and 'float' above it indefinitely, like a thin barrier of air between the sea and the ship.
On a side note, I think the Paw Paw Fruit abilities seems to compliment Coup De Burst and Gao Cannon nicely. It's like a super upgrade for both systems.
BUT, could it reach the moon?
BUT, could it reach the moon?
Maybe it could repel the space around the moon, keeping it in the same spot any time they need it.
Sulong problem solved
I actually wouldn't mind Carrot joining. I like her energy around the straw hats and her having travelled on two adventures now with them makes it a little more likely in my books.
For the Sulong argument: Has anyone thought about an artificial full moon, that Carrot or another crew member can use to trigger her transformation (and end it if necessary)?
We've seen the very same concept in Dragon Ball years ago, where it was called "Power Ball" and triggered the saiyans to transform into their giant ape forms.
I don't find it hard to imagine a technique to use on Carrot specifically. We've seen artificial weather, sprouting banana boats, wings made from arms…
I'm gonna have to ask you guys to save it for tomorrow or take it to the spoiler board.
@K.:
Carrot, and everyone else in the world know about the fleet because of Big News Morgans.
Carrot can decide where to go if she is a captain.
Other Minks outranking her means nothing. It is their character traits. While Wanda and others may be Carrot's seniors they lack the initiative Carrot has displayed. They asked for permission to go to Whole Cake Island instead of disobeying orders. That's why Carrot fits better to lead them. Like Luffy, whom has very few leadership traits (ones you would actually expect from a captain of the ship - knowledgeable, strategic, etc), Carrot lacking these is why the other Minks would join her to complement what she lacks.
The beautiful thing about the fleet is its non-existence. That way, other captains can become followers without Luffy having to command them. I find it highly unlikely that after this war a Samurai/Mink pirate crew is not formed. A small group within the entire two countries (read thousands) that want to specifically help in the pirates king's quest. It is what Oden wanted by liberating Wano in the first place, to help Joy Boy's will carrier. Carrot will prove to be the best choice to lead this small faction. Pair that up with her helping obtaining some of the missing poneglyphs, meet back at Elbaf. She gets to explore the world by trying to find these missing stones. She is directly helping into bringing the new dawn. She has a crew.
And once again, its hard for me to view you saying how and why Carrot is better to lead them when Carrot herself is not even shown being in a position of leadership or taking the initiative of leadership. It's been shown several times that Carrot is taking orders from the other Straw Hats like Luffy, Nami, Jinbe, and Chopper. Even now with the raid of Onigashima, Carrot is not the one leading the Musketeer faction into the battle with Kaido, that Shishillian who is doing it. And rightfully so, he's the leader of Inuarashi's Musketeer force, while she's shown once again aligned with the Straw Hats. In order to feasibly imagine Carrot being a captain of a Mink-faction fleet, you'd have to imagine her having any level of authority from people willing to follow her, which we never see. And once again, Robin don't need someone to get the Poneglyphs for her, the Nox Pirates only assumed doing that would help accomplish their goal, but since Neko and Inu showed Luffy the Road Poneglyph, he already knew that they would be the ones to accomplish their goal.
EDIT: Nevermind, Chapter 903 mentions the fleet. Completely forgot about that moment.
That comment of the Sulong being the Mink's true form have called my attention in a greater way than expected actually.
if there was indeed more than one Moon in the past, that's just implies we need an astronomer even more then ever now. gotta find those dummy Moons that don't even know the place they should be orbiting, and yeah one Moon alone causes a massive effect on the ocean already, the geological changes that we all know are going to happen(cof cof All Blue, cof cof meeting with Laboon), could very well be set in motion by two or more moons suddenly showing up in the sky.
That’s the most confusing part, what roles are left for the next crew member? I still think it will be some non pirate role we don’t know we need yet like Robin being an archeologist
That’s the most confusing part, what roles are left for the next crew member? I still think it will be some non pirate role we don’t know we need yet like Robin being an archeologist
Historically speaking, Pirates applied astronomy to navigation.
Historically speaking, Pirates applied astronomy to navigation.
Well Nami is the navigator, but if we do get an astronomer maybe it will be an alien lol
Well Nami is the navigator, but if we do get an astronomer maybe it will be an alien lol
Yes, Nami is the navigator, but they're currently in a moment where they must literally apply archeology to navigation or otherwise, they simply won't reach Laugh Tale.
I'm picturing a somewhat similar scenario with an Astronomer.
This is where we fade out and fade in to the landscape in Punk Hazard. A certain person is walking through the shinokuni, an astronaut outfit protecting her from the toxic wasteland. She comes across one of her astronomy books lying in the debris. She picks it up and glares up at the moon. Her wings spread - she's got a mission that can only be accomplished by joining the lunar journey with Luffy. She drops the book and flies into the distance toward Wano.
This is where we fade out and fade in to the landscape in Punk Hazard. A certain person is walking through the shinokuni, an astronaut outfit protecting her from the toxic wasteland. She comes across one of her astronomy books lying in the debris. She picks it up and glares up at the moon. Her wings spread - she's got a mission that can only be accomplished by joining the lunar journey with Luffy. She drops the book and flies into the distance toward Wano.
I see why you mostly just commentate now
That was gold.
Given the recent chapters I'll say it again, I think Carrot is going to join.
I think the problem with next nakama discussion is that most of our arguments are framed based on how characters joined pre-TS. Post-TS arcs have been much bigger with a wider range of characters while having a reduced focus on the Strawhats as a whole. We went several years without the all the Strawhats together in an arc. Even in Wano many of the Strawhats have taken the backseat (even Luffy) as a lot of this arc have revolved around Oden's story which is the longest flashback in the series btw.
Jinbe joining the crew was stretched out over several arcs. While not impossible, I think its unreasonable to expect that every new nakama has to be a primary focus for the arc. I mean for some of the criticisms of Carrot you could easily apply to Jinbe. We got a flashback of Otohime and Fisher Tiger but when do we get a flashback from HIS perspective?
We have a lot of made-up "rules" that people selectively apply but in terms of the story Oda has slowly and gradually been slipping her into the crew. I think the Strawhats as a whole have taken a backseat this arc so that Oda could give room to tell Oden's tale but I think now the some of the spotlight will shift back to them (and Carrot).
Given the recent chapters I'll say it again, I think Carrot is going to join.
I think the problem with next nakama discussion is that most of our arguments are framed based on how characters joined pre-TS. Post-TS arcs have been much bigger with a wider range of characters while having a reduced focus on the Strawhats as a whole. We went several years without the all the Strawhats together in an arc. Even in Wano many of the Strawhats have taken the backseat (even Luffy) as a lot of this arc have revolved around Oden's story which is the longest flashback in the series btw.
Jinbe joining the crew was stretched out over several arcs. While not impossible, I think its unreasonable to expect that every new nakama has to be a primary focus for the arc. I mean for some of the criticisms of Carrot you could easily apply to Jinbe. We got a flashback of Otohime and Fisher Tiger but when do we get a flashback from HIS perspective?
We have a lot of made-up "rules" that people selectively apply but in terms of the story Oda has slowly and gradually been slipping her into the crew. I think the Strawhats as a whole have taken a backseat this arc so that Oda could give room to tell Oden's tale but I think now the some of the spotlight will shift back to them (and Carrot).
At this point, the flashback is not even the most important thing Carrot lacks.
Carrot is still very lacking in terms of interactions with the Straw Hats. And so far, we haven't had a clear position for her to fill since the Straw Hats haven't had trouble lately with requiring one. We even had that random helsmanship scene where Luffy shows how bad he is at the beginning of Whole Cake, because it set up Jinbe's skills later.
And then there's her fighting style. Her transformation move is super situational, and I have no idea how that could be adapted by the plot. And while I admit the Electro gloves are cool and unique, it's still lacking in terms of moves.
And now, the position of Lookout seems nicely filled with Usopp.
She can fight without being in Sulong form. Chopper also has limitation with his Monster point where he is paralyzed a moment after using it. Or Luffy who can only usenhis gear 4 during a limited time
So it is not really a big concern in my opinion.
If it not her, Wano does not seem to offer any other great candidate so far
I wouldn't call Carrot a great candidate.
People just really want want her to join and think she will because she appears with the crew in a panel or two.
Looking at long-term, Carrot's the most viable candidate since most of the New World has had the Straw Hats being lead to this confrontation. If anyone was to join outside Jinbe, now would be the time. I think we're past that since we're about to take down potentially 2 Emperors.
Carrot not taking the initiative this chapter as the lookout I will say did harm the argument against her and Usopp using what his Observation Haki to good use did seem to hamper the usefulness of a lookout even more. Regardless, I still look forward as to what Oda would have her do since she's included in the Straw Hat faction force.
And now, the position of Lookout seems nicely filled with Usopp.
Juste like the position of musician seemed nicely filled with Franky ?
Usopp is already the gunner, and if there's a battle at sea he can't be at the look out and firing canon at the same time.
And about the interaction, she had several nice interaction with the wholecake team.
Another person saying Carrot only appeared in a panel or two lol. I see the setup. Not gonna post the almighty collage
To help those in denial about her possibility, Oda should've put Carrot in the panel with the rest of the Musketeers and not with the Strawhats.
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She can fight without being in Sulong form. Chopper also has limitation with his Monster point where he is paralyzed a moment after using it. Or Luffy who can only usenhis gear 4 during a limited time
So it is not really a big concern in my opinion.
If it not her, Wano does not seem to offer any other great candidate so far
It's worth pointing out that as of recently wasn't it pretty much confirmed that Zoro descends from the Shimotsuki clan? So we already have a member that at least descends from a Wano samurai.
Even before the start of this arc I was skeptical about a new nakama originating from there. We don't really need another samurai as Zoro has that covered.
I guess a ninja isn't out of the realm of possibility but Raizo is with Law and the rest of the scabbards. Not sure where Shinobu disappeared to after she was attacked by Kanjuro.
Whereas it looks like Carrot is the only one non-SH in the SH group as far as I can tell. Shishilian left to go lead the Mink faction, I presume Wanda went back with the Shishilian and the rest of the Musketeers as she hasn't been in any of the panels with the Strawhat crew.
I think its also important to mention that in an interview Oda said that with Wano arc the series is accelerating towards the climax or something like that. If someone else were to join after Jinbe I'd imagine its someone we know and, this is just my opinion, find it unlikely that he'd introduce a completely new character and have them join the Strawhats during the last leg of the series.
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Juste like the position of musician seemed nicely filled with Franky ?
Usopp is already the gunner, and if there's a battle at sea he can't be at the look out and firing canon at the same time.
And about the interaction, she had several nice interaction with the wholecake team.
Then in that case, why isn't that specific struggle shown? Oda could've made Carrot useful for this situation, but he didn't. He didn't show Usopp failing at his job.
Compare with Jinbe last arc, where we saw the Straw Hats struggling at helmsmanship, setting up Jinbe's skills a few chapters later.
Usopp has great eyesight. That's one of his defining abilities. He didn't even need the binoculars to catch the enemies, and the others thought they were only seeing shadows.
Usopp had no problem climbing the mast and then shooting. That's the thing. We didn't see a struggle there.
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usopp is always grapping the mast for whatever reason and most of the time not for lookout ones
She can fight without being in Sulong form. Chopper also has limitation with his Monster point where he is paralyzed a moment after using it. Or Luffy who can only usenhis gear 4 during a limited time
So it is not really a big concern in my opinion.
If it not her, Wano does not seem to offer any other great candidate so far
Sulong has the problem of only being viable at a certain time, in a certain period. And it can't be kept up for long.
It's not like Monster Point at all. Chopper can keep transforming after a few minutes.
usopp is always grapping the mast for whatever reason and most of the time not for lookout ones
He's clearly climbing it in response to Denjiro's warning of enemy attacks (since he doesn't look scared or nervous). It's why, in the next panel, he's holding binoculars as he's scanning for his surroundings.
It wasn't too long ago that someone tried to belittle the ability to get to the crow's nest quickly and the use of binoculars. Now, someone is using it to say that Usopp's got it covered. Not only was Brook amazed by the ability to get up so quick, Carrot spotted BM approaching without binoculars and Jinbe thought it was "impossible" that they would catch up quickly. She called out "6 o clock".
In 978, Usopp is shown on the mast and later using binoculars. Both of these are total opposites of what Carrot has been shown doing. Her actual intro shows her leaping in mid air against Zoro, then leaping to tell Wanda where exactly is the drama coming from. After that arc, she is shown being a lookout more than any other character. If it's for nothing, then why show it?
It wasn't too long ago that someone tried to belittle the ability to get to the crow's nest quickly and the use of binoculars. Now, someone is using it to say that Usopp's got it covered. Not only was Brook amazed by the ability to get up so quick, Carrot spotted BM approaching without binoculars and Jinbe thought it was "impossible" that they would catch up quickly. She called out "6 o clock".
In 978, Usopp is shown on the mast and later using binoculars. Both of these are total opposites of what Carrot has been shown doing. Her actual intro shows her leaping in mid air against Zoro, then leaping to tell Wanda where exactly is the drama coming from. After that arc, she is shown being a lookout more than any other character. If it's for nothing, then why show it?
Because here, it's not being portrayed as necessary? Heck, Carrot just stands there. You'd think this would be an opportunity to portray her doing Lookout stuff.
Usopp climbs up the mast, and then spots the guards from the corner of his eye, sniping them. He doesn't even need the binoculars.
It was a problem last arc because Usopp wasn't present, but here, he's doing the job fine.
Sulong has the problem of only being viable at a certain time, in a certain period. And it can't be kept up for long.
It's not like Monster Point at all. Chopper can keep transforming after a few minutes.
He's clearly climbing it in response to Denjiro's warning of enemy attacks (since he doesn't look scared or nervous). It's why, in the next panel, he's holding binoculars.
We saw Nekomamushi fly toward Jack during the flashback fight which was similar to flight from Sulong mode (it was depicted very similarly). Granted this is just speculation but just character X said that Sulong happens during a full moon that with proper training an ability can be used without the need for the full moon. I mean we're talking about a manga here, it's almost silly to think that we'll just stick to the same rules for X power-up forever and ever because the way it was first described. When was the last time we saw chibi Luffy after using Gear 3?
As far as roles go? Who cares. Just because Usopp can do something fulfill a role means nothing. Usopp could have been the shipwright until Oda wrote the need for a shipwright into the story. People argued for YEARS against Jinbe being the helmsman because Chopper could it just fine until Oda wrote the need for one. I mean Usopp didn't even have a role before joining. Luffy was testing out the cannons and Usopp was good at it and Luffy was just like "lol ok you can be our sniper now".
Yeah the narrative around Carrot have changed dramatically, the "I want to be useful" Carrot that would insta-jump into the Crow's Nest, is completly gone now.
We saw Nekomamushi fly toward Jack during the flashback fight which was similar to flight from Sulong mode (it was depicted very similarly). Granted this is just speculation but just character X said that Sulong happens during a full moon that with proper training an ability can be used without the need for the full moon. I mean we're talking about a manga here, it's almost silly to think that we'll just stick to the same rules for X power-up forever and ever because the way it was first described. When was the last time we saw chibi Luffy after using Gear 3?
As far as roles go? Who cares. Just because Usopp can do something fulfill a role means nothing. Usopp could have been the shipwright until Oda wrote the need for a shipwright into the story. People argued for YEARS against Jinbe being the helmsman because Chopper could it just fine until Oda wrote the need for one. I mean Usopp didn't even have a role before joining. Luffy was testing out the cannons and Usopp was good at it and Luffy was just like "lol ok you can be our sniper now".
The thing with the Shipwright is that it was stated many times that Usopp wasn't one, even before Water 7. His repairs were considered quick and amateurish even by then.
With a Musician, we had Luffy's constant need of having one on board.
Cook, Doctor, Navigator… all of those showed a problem beforehand that was resolved. Jinbe follows the same pattern. When Poneglyphs started being introduced in Alabasta, it was no coincidence Robin joined, since history was now gonna become an important matter.
And in the case of a Helmsman, the start of the Whole Cake Arc introduced it as a problem since precise navigation was necessary at the time (due to them being in enemy territory). Of course, Oda turned this into a problem because Jinbe was gonna show them what a good Helmsman could bring.
Essentially, Oda introduced the problem so it could be addressed later. This was a good opportunity to showcase how good of a Lookout Carrot is, yet Oda deliberately has Usopp fulfill the job.
And we also can't ignore that throughout the arc, she had been ignored, becoming a complete background character when you'd think she would get screentime. At least Jinbe had an excuse and had prior screentime during Fishman Island and the war.
Another person saying Carrot only appeared in a panel or two lol. I see the setup. Not gonna post the almighty collage
To help those in denial about her possibility, Oda should've put Carrot in the panel with the rest of the Musketeers and not with the Strawhats.
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Oda put Carrot with the crew because she is one of the minks that stands out like Shishilian and Wanda. Do you think they will join too?
Oda put Carrot with the crew because she is one minks that stand out like Shishilian and Wanda. Do you think they will join too?
Except Wanda wasn't present this chapter and Shishillian is going to be leading the Musketeers. The panels were to represent and show the separate factions fighting during the Onigashima raid. So Oda is showing that Carrot is more aligned to the Straw Hat faction. What she's going ot be doing though, is anyone's guess.
I'll be honest, I don't know what Oda has in mind or in store, but if Carrot wasn't going to be fighting with the Straw Hats, the panels would have conveyed that.
Except Wanda wasn't present this chapter and Shishillian is going to be leading the Musketeers. The panels were to represent and show the separate factions fighting during the Onigashima raid. So Oda is showing that Carrot is more aligned to the Straw Hat faction. What she's going ot be doing though, is anyone's guess.
I know all that and outside of Dogstorm and Catviper I do expect Carrot to shine the most out of the minks but she won't be the only one.
Because here, it's not being portrayed as necessary? Heck, Carrot just stands there. You'd think this would be an opportunity to portray her doing Lookout stuff.
Usopp climbs up the mast, and then spots the guards from the corner of his eye, sniping them. He doesn't even need the binoculars.
It was a problem last arc because Usopp wasn't present, but here, he's doing the job fine.
What's interesting about this is that Usopp is being used with another character to show a role on the ship. It happened with fixing Merry and Usopp that lead to Franky. Now, Usopp is doing just fine, but climbing it isn't the same as one leap with speed that even Brook (can leap with speed as well) was used to comment on. Franky and Zoro as well.
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Oda put Carrot with the crew because she is one of the minks that stands out like Shishilian and Wanda. Do you think they will join too?
Sicilian and Wanda didn't abandon their group to go on an adventure without telling anyone after 2 Jack attacks. I really want to help you on this matter. Wanda was literally 1 of the bunch asking to pay the crew back and didn't take the initiative. Sicilian would almost fit your point of being in "1 or 2 panels" more than Carrot. You're literally proving my point with almost everything you say.
What's interesting about this is that Usopp is being used with another character to show a role on the ship. It happened with fixing Merry and Usopp that lead to Franky. Now, Usopp is doing just fine, but climbing it isn't the same as one leap with speed that even Brook (can leap with speed as well) was used to comment on. Franky and Zoro as well.
Again, the problem is that Usopp is fulfilling the position with no trouble at all.
That's the crucial part. Usopp was already stated several times that he wasn't a Shipwright before Water 7 was even a thing. The need of a true Shipwright was already there. He had trouble fulfilling that role, which is why the Klabauterman showed up in Skypiea.
However, thanks to Usopp's eyesight, he has no problem spotting enemies. In fact, he was the one who spotted the last Beasts Pirates ship shooting them from afar, And now, he just took the role of Lookout and was successful at it. We just had a naval battle where Carrot, if a Lookout was necessary, could have been useful for her skills, but she remained in the background, not doing much.
Whole Cake Island showed this best. We had a whole scene where Luffy tries to steer the Sunny and fails at it. That was all setup for Jinbe's skill later. Same for cooking, where Luffy was even more miserable at. The whole trip to Zou in the Going Luffy-senpai also showed how essential Nami was. Oda is always introducing those needs to show us what the crew requires, even when members are temporarily missing. Even the one non-essential position, the musician, was always brought up by Luffy because he always pestered the others about it.
Wanda is in the Sunny too.