Lol at anyone thinking Redestro and his alliance wes ever going to be anything more than a one arc jobber to make Shigaraki look good.
My Hero Academia II - A true Hero
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This is all very interesting, but I'd like to get back to the kids.
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This is all very interesting, but I'd like to get back to the kids.
My same thoughts. Hopefully this arc is done in the next 1 or 2 issues.
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I had a thought recently I shared elsewhere but thought I'd bring up here, too.
In a discord I'm on, someone had said that didn't like MHA because (as I understood it) there was too much ideology among the villains despite them being 'insane or stupid'. Between Stain, Overhaul, and Re-Destro, I can see the point, even if I don't agree with it.
That got me to thinking and wondering if part of Shigaraki's purpose isn't to put the lie to those claims. He wants to destroy everything, and he's pretty up front about that. He doesn't really need an ideology beyond that. Similarly, all indications are that All For One really did just want the power offered by being the Big Bad supervillain of the setting. Meantime, for all the words they use to dress it up, Overhaul and Re-Destro aren't really doing more than making similar power grabs by shaking up the status quo (or, as Shigaraki puts it here, "destroying what they don't like").
Stain is, perhaps, the only true ideologue, but he's one very insane man, too. Shigaraki's victories over these other would be ideologues is coming due to the fact that they are not so different but, in Shigaraki's case, at least he admits it
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This is all very interesting, but I'd like to get back to the kids.
My same thoughts. Hopefully this arc is done in the next 1 or 2 issues.
On the other hand, when do we ever get something like this in manga stories?
Villains taking over the story for such a long stretch is something I've rarely heard of and I'm loving every moment of it.
The longer this goes on, the more and more awestruck I become towards Hori's sheer audacity and ambition.
There's something I really respect about an author going completely all in and fully committing to a story idea.My brain agrees with you though, we can't stay on this side forever. We do need some protagonist interactions.
Yet my heart says "…just keep doing this forever, Hori. I'm having too much fun with this."This arc has lasted pretty much two entire volumes, so I totally understand that some people are finally starting to get antsy.
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I would exchange the new spinoff with My Villain Academia any day.
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I haven't enjoyed this arc in a long time. I'm over Shigaraki's story, Re-Destro, and especially, the art.
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The art is awesome…I dunno how you can be over that lol. The rest. Yes I agree.
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I had a thought recently I shared elsewhere but thought I'd bring up here, too.
In a discord I'm on, someone had said that didn't like MHA because (as I understood it) there was too much ideology among the villains despite them being 'insane or stupid'. Between Stain, Overhaul, and Re-Destro, I can see the point, even if I don't agree with it.
That got me to thinking and wondering if part of Shigaraki's purpose isn't to put the lie to those claims. He wants to destroy everything, and he's pretty up front about that. He doesn't really need an ideology beyond that. Similarly, all indications are that All For One really did just want the power offered by being the Big Bad supervillain of the setting. Meantime, for all the words they use to dress it up, Overhaul and Re-Destro aren't really doing more than making similar power grabs by shaking up the status quo (or, as Shigaraki puts it here, "destroying what they don't like").
Stain is, perhaps, the only true ideologue, but he's one very insane man, too. Shigaraki's victories over these other would be ideologues is coming due to the fact that they are not so different but, in Shigaraki's case, at least he admits it
I don't think Magneto, Lex Luthor and Carnage are not secretly the same just because they are villains.
Most villains have actual motives while facepalm is a petulant child stuck in a 12 years running temper tantrum. I'm fine with praising his simplicity but let's resort to the oversimplication of everyone in order ro make him seem better.
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I haven't enjoyed this arc in a long time. I'm over Shigaraki's story, Re-Destro, and especially, the art.
I'm in the same boat; I've never been fond of the whole system where brand new characters are introduced as being a "seriously big deal for real you guys" just to off them instantly so the villains look badass but I was hoping that this series could make it interesting to me.
It hasn't.
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I don't think Magneto, Lex Luthor and Carnage are not secretly the same just because they are villains.
Most villains have actual motives while facepalm is a petulant child stuck in a 12 years running temper tantrum. I'm fine with praising his simplicity but let's resort to the oversimplication of everyone in order ro make him seem better.
That's… Not what I'm doing?
The point I was going for was that, however much they may dress up what they're doing, all any of the villains are REALLY doing is trying to grab power for themselves.
My whole idea is that, for all the other villains mock or insult Shigaraki for being all about pointless destruction, he's not really doing anything different from the rest of them and may well be the one coming out ahead because he's not fettering himself with pretty words.
It even comes up in this latest chapter. Shigaraki claims to get Re-Destro because he wants to obliterate whatever bugs him, too. Re-Destro, meanwhile, is seeing in Shigaraki exactly what his ideology claims to want: someone completely unfettered in the use of their ability.
I'm not trying to make Shigaraki "better", it's just a thought as to why he's coming out on top in all these encounters.
Edit: knocked out some of the middle point by point stuff to avoid a big wall o' text for no reason
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I had a thought recently I shared elsewhere but thought I'd bring up here, too.
In a discord I'm on, someone had said that didn't like MHA because (as I understood it) there was too much ideology among the villains despite them being 'insane or stupid'. Between Stain, Overhaul, and Re-Destro, I can see the point, even if I don't agree with it.
What the hell, who hates a story for having antagonists with an ideology.
In my opinion, every great conflict in stories is usually between two different ideologies.
Its why, I ended up detesting Naruto, he just changed antagonists ideologies with a few meaningless words.
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Isn't having an ideology what motivates people? It is kind of a silly complaint, that'show writing works. I dunno what that person would have preferred. Face Palm is the only one that's kinda all over the place with straight up destruction of everything. Stain wants the destruction of corrupt hero institutions. Re-Destro wants a free society. If that has some destruction he's not opposed to it but it's not his end goal. Gentle wanted to be popular? His crimes weren't severe. Overhaul was developing drugs that remove quirks. They probably would have butted heads with Re-Destro at some point. Then there was the cult that hated mutant types.
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Isn't having an ideology what motivates people? It is kind of a silly complaint, that'show writing works. I dunno what that person would have preferred. Face Palm is the only one that's kinda all over the place with straight up destruction of everything. Stain wants the destruction of corrupt hero institutions. Re-Destro wants a free society. If that has some destruction he's not opposed to it but it's not his end goal. Gentle wanted to be popular? His crimes weren't severe. Overhaul was developing drugs that remove quirks. They probably would have butted heads with Re-Destro at some point. Then there was the cult that hated mutant types.
What the hell, who hates a story for having antagonists with an ideology.
In my opinion, every great conflict in stories is usually between two different ideologies.
Its why, I ended up detesting Naruto, he just changed antagonists ideologies with a few meaningless words.
I'm not prepared to speak for the other person, short of quoting them directly. Nor do I plan to, since I disagree too and it's not relevant to the point I'm going for myself.
That said, without getting it completely myself I could still see two lines of logic. One is just a preference for Capital E Evil villains, which trying to give justifying motives to interferes with.
Alternatively, if we follow the rabbit hole of my own idea, villains fighting over ideology is irrelevant because, however high or grand their stated motives might sound on paper, more often than not they're just excuses for them to do what they really want to do anyway.
As an example, Overhaul claimed what he was doing was in gratitude for the boss he had to render comatose and whose grandchild he had to exploit for his plan. For all his talk of quirks as an illness, his grand plan was kill quirks in people then sell the antidote to get them back.
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I haven't enjoyed this arc in a long time. I'm over Shigaraki's story, Re-Destro, and especially, the art.
My interest has been slowly waning since Curious died. That was the first red flag that the MLA are seemingly just there to be stepping stones for Shiggy and co. While I was over Re-Destro's henchmen, I still had some hope for the man himself due to his initially engaging presence, but not anymore.
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That's… Not what I'm doing?
The point I was going for was that, however much they may dress up what they're doing, all any of the villains are REALLY doing is trying to grab power for themselves.
My whole idea is that, for all the other villains mock or insult Shigaraki for being all about pointless destruction, he's not really doing anything different from the rest of them and may well be the one coming out ahead because he's not fettering himself with pretty words.
It even comes up in this latest chapter. Shigaraki claims to get Re-Destro because he wants to obliterate whatever bugs him, too. Re-Destro, meanwhile, is seeing in Shigaraki exactly what his ideology claims to want: someone completely unfettered in the use of their ability.
I'm not trying to make Shigaraki "better", it's just a thought as to why he's coming out on top in all these encounters.
Edit: knocked out some of the middle point by point stuff to avoid a big wall o' text for no reason
There is a fundamental flaw with your argument.
All any heroes need to be able to protect more civilians is to grab power.
Everyone needs power to be able to give form to their ideologies. No one in this world is spared from that.
He's not fettering himself with pretty words because he has nothing to give reasons to his acts.
The greatest villains, heck characters, are manifestation of ideologies, not pure destruction from this mix of blame and adolescent angerAll the other villains or any character worth his salt usually have followers that share their ideology, or a charm and innate belief that their vision is the right one, utilizing whatever they can to see it come to light.
The only reason he is coming up top is because his power is broken and this series took a serious nosedive in the writing and power scaling department.
It's also because having an edgey villain is the lowest hanging fruit in the genre where you can pander to the younger adolescent who are mostly shallow minded and superficial because of their age.The entire re destroy set up was intriguing and could open the world of BnHa but nope the fuck away from that.
It's like he has all this nice ideologies and ideas but he refuses to let go of his Shiragaki and Deku parallel despite how bad it is turning out to be in a writing standpoint. -
Super disagree with the opinion that the writing took a nosedive or that having the parallels between Deku and Shiggy is a misstep. Also most villains are pretty edgy in the series in some form. Gentle probably being the most different but his overall vibe is less heinous and more mischievous.
I actually have enjoyed the parallels and polar opposite themes we've been shown between hero life and villain life. The kids dealing with normal slice of life stuff with the occasional life threatening fights. And the villains struggling to survive constantly. A decent chunk of LoV only becoming villains because society failed them at some point.
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Im firmly convinced Shiggy's actual motivation is to be the most popular villain of all time. He sat down and had a talk with Deku about why Stain is more popular than him and how that annoys him.
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I honestly really REALLY enjoy the themes of this manga.
From the moment they brought up anti-quirk discrimination in the early days (akin to X-Men being shunned by society),
brought up quirk marriages, and started referencing "the people they couldn't save", I knew I was gonna love this whole story.Hori isn't afraid to draw parallels and uncover the ugly truths of society.
I think that's refreshing, and a GOOD direction for an author to take.
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Im firmly convinced Shiggy's actual motivation is to be the most popular villain of all time. He sat down and had a talk with Deku about why Stain is more popular than him and how that annoys him.
He asked him because he actually didn't understand. To him, Stain or Re-Destro are no different than him: They just want to destroy what they hate. It's just that in his case, he hates everything so he wants to destroy everything. Now, this is Shigaraki's opinion, but maybe Horikoshi wants to get across that message that behaving violently to enact change because you don't like how society works is inherently as petty and childish as pointless destruction, regardless of the underlying motivations (which is an unusual message for something aimed at teenagers, but who knows ). I'm not sure about that because I feel like we were meant to think that Stain kinda had a point, since a lot characters brought it up. Unless the whole thing was mocking society for taking his ideas seriously only because he was cool (Each of the LoV members that joined because of him has later been proven to be completely hollow in their admiration )
Anyways Shigaraki is the purest villain that wants to destroy everything, no context needed, just like the Deku is the purest hero that wants to save everyone, no context needed. That's probably the point here.
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No one is the villain in their own story.
Besides the fact that the flawed ideologies of the villains are just as void/valid as the heroes.
Gentle trying to prove his own value from outside the narrow view of society, to the point of endangering bystanders.
Shiggy blames innocent bystanders of the injustices committed at him, even if Someone had tended him a hand they would be chunks.
Stain believes that only those worthy are the ones who put their lives on the line for what they believe, it is a job man, if you gatekeep heroism to those who only care about your standards then there would be a deficit of heroes. You don't need to bet your life for every job, when most cases just an uniform and a battle pose is enough.
And then Re-destro that is almost a gun nut for quirks. If it's part of their being yeah, more flexibility to their used, but then you go to the social Darwinism so integrated in his beliefs that he actually submits to someone stronger.And fuck overhaul.
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Re-Destro is so Senator Armstrong that it seems almost like a conscious reference.
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The jump app has chapter 59 of Vigilantes out. Looks like some Aizawa centric stuff and more explanation on a mention in MHA.
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Oh Aizawa flashback nice, am I the only one that thinks young Aizawa looks like our man Yu Ishigami. Cloud boy makes an entrance, he is really nice to bad he's got get Mirio'ed down the line. And Aizawa was really bullied into being a professor, now I know why he sucks.
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That Vigilantes chapter is great. Any Aizawa fan should read it.
It's nice seeing him and Koichi just chillin' together. You wouldn't see that between him and Deku because of their teacher/student relationship.
I know I don't have to spoiler it, but I don't wanna ruin it so…
! Shirakumo got his full body and quirk reveal in Vigilantes! What the hell? That blew my mind. I love his carefree/fun personality. I doubt we'll learn why exactly Shirakumo left, but even learning more about Aizawa's insecurities as a student is more than enough. Even now I can see why he took Shinso under his wing, probably wanting to help Shinso like Shirakumo helped him. So good.
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! Man, Shiggy got an army.
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! At ReDestro HQ after battle
! Geten:"How could you do this ReDestro?!"
! Monarch:"Look, every time that guy uses his quirk a bald eagle is born, every time I use mine I go bald. I just can't compete with that much FREEDOM. He is peak Destro's ideals, whether you like it or not. -
! Now they're going to have a sushi banquet all together, One Piece style
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Today's chapter…wow
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! Shigaraki Grand Fleet
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So the ultimate villain and army has now been formed eh. Wonder how long the build up to the final confrontation takes now. The others side is much too weak.
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! Lol, really, he just submits to him and gives him all his resources? Okay then…
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Holy shit that was bad.
I hereby proclaim this chapter the one that starts the inevitable trainwreck so that I can come back in 2 years and pat myself on the back.
This is the power crept equivalent of Pain nuking konoha in Naruto and hmm similarly that's when the manga went to the gutter.
This is so hilariously bad that I had to do a double take.! All hail Shiragaki! Banzai! .
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I don’t think the kids are graduating after that. My Villain Academia Ends in a high note for me.
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Well damn. The kids are gonna need to eat their wheaties.
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The chapter did not really appeal to me but at least this villain served something I guess. Rather than just be a side-track. And there's some sense to it.
! Giganto converted a bit fast and I would prefer Redestro letting himself be destroyed because Facepalm proved himself than him becoming a underling with the anachist. But I could see part of his following going for the strongger quirk.
! I would have like Redestro letting himself. Than the rest of his group becomes interested in Facepalm and try to lead him to his full potential. Kind of like Sylar but more similar to how Doffly was molded by Trebol while also receiving all the power and alliegeance. -
Man, that's a wrap!
! After so many failures, Horikoshi did an amazing job at suddenly turning the Villain League into a fearsome enemy. It is not simply a matter of Shigaraki being strong, he now has the kind of powerful presence that graduates him from the brat who looks up to the main villain to the future final main villain.
Great big villains always have that sort of magical charisma that make others want to bow to them and follow them, but I really really like the idea of a villain that does that not because of their big ideals, but exactly because of their desire for raw, unrestrained and pure destruction. For Re-Destro he may represent a new form, and probably the only absolute form, of liberation.
I mean, anyone can relate to the joy of breaking things down, causing destruction for the sake of it. In the real world we can't go around freely letting those desires run rampant because there will always be consequences, there is always an afterward, after someone or something to answer to or to affect. But Shigaraki sheer presence seems to promise the absolute destruction that send those restraints away, there is no need to reign down those feelings if everything will be destroyed, there is incomparable freedom in that - and I think that's exactly what Horikoshi wanted to pass with Spinner and Re-Destro being left awestruck at the sight or a city completely ruined and Shigaraki standing in front of it.
! Also way to answer to all those who were annoyed by the repetitive "boring and episodic arc villains" - I don't think I complained about it in any of my posts, but I definitely kept it at the back of my mind as the Liberation army walked towards their unavoidable end. -
Oh man.
! I gotta admit. I was a tad worried Horikoshi was gonna kill off Re-Destro. But I'm glad he's keeping them around.
! Ooo. We might get a Ice-mancer + Dabi vs Todoroki fight. -
Holy shit that was bad.
I hereby proclaim this chapter the one that starts the inevitable trainwreck so that I can come back in 2 years and pat myself on the back.
This is the power crept equivalent of Pain nuking konoha in Naruto and hmm similarly that's when the manga went to the gutter.
This is so hilariously bad that I had to do a double take.! All hail Shiragaki! Banzai! .
Cut to three years later and the series is still going strong.
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The thing that's so neat about this, to me, is how it's very much a Shonen arc just played for villains. To borrow a post elsewhere that lines it up nicely
The villain is perched up holding one of the hero's friends hostage, and he's fighting his minions to get to him.
The hero's friend (Twice) tries to fight the Big Bad, but ultimately fails when the big bad uses his abilities and is only saved by the hero arriving at the right moment.
The villain looks down on the hero's childish ideals and has him on the ropes, but the hero has a mental epiphany and overcomes the villain by rejecting his ideals and firmly establishes his own while getting stronger from overcoming his limits as a person.
The villain, having grown to respect the hero's resolve, ultimately decides to help him in his cause.
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Bonus: more members of the Legion of Doom for Final Fight matchups.
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! I like and dislike this chapter at the same time, but I have mostly good vibes from it. Re-Destro giving up to Shiggy doesn´t bother me since I wanted him to live, but it would have helped seeing Re-Destro feeling unfit to lead the revolution before this chapter and the previous one. I mean, Re-Destro fighting to the death would have been stupid, since his ideals would have died with him, but this kind of thing needs a little more foreshadowing. It´s sad that Spinner and Dabi fights got skipped, though Spinner at least got some insight.
! About Tomura´s current power level, not problems there, his big AOE attack ended hurting him as well (kind of similar to that kid with earhquakes powers) It seems that his power can end killing him if he uses it to the fullest extent, so maybe AFO doesn´t want or need Tomura to live that long. That said, Shigaraki new forces make him a pretty big deal, so much that it wouldn´t be surprising if Japan needed heroic reinforcements from other nations.
! And one thing I liked a lot was how the first thing that Shiggy does after getting an army and funding is getting good food for the league, he is a good boss. It made me remember Netero asking for food after that old master begged him to be his disciple. -
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Bonus: more members of the Legion of Doom for Final Fight matchups.
Yes. Let Kouda fight Donald Trumpet with an army of bugs.
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! Love it. Love it. Love it.
With this, Shigaraki has everything he needs going forward. Resources, an army, Gigantomachia, sushi, everything. I do like Re-Destro having his feet destroyed. It's good payback for Giran without him having to die.
! The jailbreak "arc" will probably be an afterthought now. Might as well off-panel it. No way is anyone remotely stopping them. -
I haven't read this manga cause I like the anime adaption, and I didn't want to spoil it. I broke down a few days ago.
This arc was fun. To avoid spoilers, seeing a shonen arc between villains, complete with last-second power ups and flashbacks, was a neat change of pace. I'm rewatching the first two seasons, so it's well-timed to see where these characters started and where they are now.
I am terrified for the kids at U.A now. Sugarman isn't ready for this…
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Sugarman defeats Gigantomachia with homemade cookies.
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Cut to three years later and the series is still going strong.
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Being wrong will actually make me really happy.
Seems like I'm in the minority that didn't like this arc and chapter so ill just sit back and not stir the flames.
I'll enjoy what I get.
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I wondered where this was going. Welp.
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Being wrong will actually make me really happy.
Seems like I'm in the minority that didn't like this arc and chapter so ill just sit back and not stir the flames.
I'll enjoy what I get.
See you in two years, maybe probably. I've been here for 10 years so eh what's another two.I wanna know why you didn't like it. Can't speak for anyone else, but I don't want this being a thread where only popular opinions get tossed around. There's Reddit for that.