The thing is that Pedro was working under Catviper, while it might be a relevant subject to Dogstorm, the one who she has to report it is to the big cat.
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She seems quite mature for her age, even more so than Momo. And maturing through the story is some great character development, so i don't see that as a negative point.
People in Wano have no understanding of what it means to be a pirate or a marine. Instead people dream of being a great ninja/kunoichi or samurai, but it basically mean the same thing, to be a great man/woman and achieve stuff. Her dream of being a great kunoichi travelling the seas is sort of equivalent of Usopp being a great warrior of the seas.
As for her power, it works. in RPG terms she is a beastmaster/summoner kind of class, she is basically the pokemon trainer of one piece.
Perfect ability for a a physical weak kid, she could tame new animals in every arc to protect her and provide with useful abilities.
Its not that new really, we have seen in almost every arc how animals fight alongside Luffy in a way or two, so we know Oda likes and uses the idea already.But the most important points to look at is: her introduction and relationship with Luffy, connection and promise to Ace, dream, being sort of an outcast and low class, her possible group dynamic and role in the crew, which all seem very pro strawhats for now.
Her having purple hair, being the little sister of the crew, and having a unique first letter of her name also fits very well.
I can even see her taming the Godzilla of one piece and go toe to toe against Sanjuan Wolf! haha
We will see during the arc how her development and the story progress, but for now im all pro Tama, but i also recognize she could also just be a homage to Odas own daughters and their dog.
What role? What possible group dynamic? That's a question always put to Carrot, but she's at least physically capable of hopping around as a lookout, hoisting the mast, taking on enemies at a moment's notice, and being actually admired by the crew for her fighting abilities. What could Tama actually do on a ship besides swab and fish and maybe give a Sea King a dango to keep it from attacking? The crew has never needed a cabin kid, and that's about all she's physically fit to be.
Just because a character has an interesting power doesn't make that a power worth exploring on a weekly, monthly, yearly basis for a shonen battle-based story. The whole idea of taming animals, as you said, is already thoroughly covered by Luffy, and there's not much Tama adds to that besides convenience. It doesn't promise a compelling hook for battles.
Dogstorm said it clearly: at the end of the day, she's still just a kid. No matter how grown up for her age we take her to be, she is physically and emotionally a child. She got knocked out of commission by what were apparently minor wounds. Using other creatures to fight for her might be interesting if that wasn't all there is to it. Nami has relied on the stronger members quite a bit, but she needed to step up on her own merits and she did, reasonably. Tama may be earnest, but simply does not seem capable.
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still quite early in the arc but so far I been right to think Oda would easily avoid Carrot/Inu to talk about Pedro's fake death, excusing it with how action-packed Wano will be.
one day has passed already, Carrot is right there with Inu, there's a prison break mission and several characters yet to be introduced, so Oda still has stuff to keep going on with Pedro unmentioned.Which puts Pedro's fate to share more similarities with Igaram/Pell rather than Ace/Shirohige.
We JUST got clear-cut confirmation that Absalom is a corpse, and you still wanna call Pedro, death confirmed by Perospero, Carrot and Sanji, a fake-out? You need to see his splattered remains to be satisfied or what?
And your really believe Pedro's absence will never be brought up by Dogstorm? All to ensure he and Carrot never actually engage in conversation? That's some wishful thinking right there.
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I'm surprised we haven't got a resurgence of Perona for next nakama lol
I mean the cats in her picture on this cover look a lot like one of the cats in the 13 cats picture that just so happened to be holding an Umbrella!!! coincidence? :ninja:
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We JUST got clear-cut confirmation that Absalom is a corpse, and you still wanna call Pedro, death confirmed by Perospero, Carrot and Sanji, a fake-out? You need to see his splattered remains to be satisfied or what?
Absalom and Pedro are two different cases.
neither of those characters provided a corpse, they just went with it ala Vivi, so yeah, laughing and sobbing is no confirmation.And your really believe Pedro's absence will never be brought up by Dogstorm? All to ensure he and Carrot never actually engage in conversation? That's some wishful thinking right there.
my 'wishful' thinking is reality as of now, plus I remember being told Pedro would be brough up as soon as Carrot and Inu reunited, and to begin with, said 'super important' reunion was off-screened.
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What role? What possible group dynamic? That's a question always put to Carrot, but she's at least physically capable of hopping around as a lookout, hoisting the mast, taking on enemies at a moment's notice, and being actually admired by the crew for her fighting abilities. What could Tama actually do on a ship besides swab and fish and maybe give a Sea King a dango to keep it from attacking? The crew has never needed a cabin kid, and that's about all she's physically fit to be.
I'm not comparing Tama to Carrot in anyway, but it seems inevitably since Carrot got a few panels of worth in the latter half of WCI.
The only interaction between Carrot and Luffy that stood oout from what I can remember was when Luffy tried to take her carrots, which was a comic relief, he wasn't even there when Carrot transformed into her Sulong form.
We will probably get to see even less of Carrot now when the other minks are in Wano, and it is time for Wana and Sicilian to get some panel time.In terms of social roles, she would be the little sister of the crew.
We have ages from 17 to 90, as you can see theres one group not represented, and that is kids.
Oda is great at writing and developing kid characters, just look at Robins, Frankys and Laws flashbacks.In group aesthetics she is also filling a missing role, the last three crewmembers been big and muscular, tall and skinny, big and round. As we can see the in the cover of volume 91, a small and feminine character fits in perfectly.
What she could do? You just wrote it yourself, helping around and keeping seakings from attacking, that sure would have been a useful ability when the strawhats went to fishman island, and it is bound to be useful in the future.
Just because a character has an interesting power doesn't make that a power worth exploring on a weekly, monthly, yearly basis for a shonen battle-based story. The whole idea of taming animals, as you said, is already thoroughly covered by Luffy, and there's not much Tama adds to that besides convenience. It doesn't promise a compelling hook for battles.
There is some room for development of her power, as we saw when she tamed Speed and was surprised herself that it worked on human, that is basically mind controlling. Add some kunoichi tricks to that and she will have a decent movepool.
I don't think we will have to worry about getting tired of it, it is not like we will see her use it in every chapter, how often do we even see Chopper changing forms? How many times have we've seen Brooks utilize his spirit form? The abilities are there but mostly only used when necessary.
That was more of an example of Oda not being completely foreign for the ability, we've had Luffy do it a few times with the kungfu dugongs and Ucy, Jinbei with whalesharks, Shirahoshi with seakings, and Momo with Zou. It is a legit power and why not have a specialist of it in the crew?
Dogstorm said it clearly: at the end of the day, she's still just a kid. No matter how grown up for her age we take her to be, she is physically and emotionally a child. She got knocked out of commission by what were apparently minor wounds. Using other creatures to fight for her might be interesting if that wasn't all there is to it. Nami has relied on the stronger members quite a bit, but she needed to step up on her own merits and she did, reasonably. Tama may be earnest, but simply does not seem capable.
I think you forgot that Tama is a sick and malnourished child, she is a strong fighter at hearth though and that is what counts.
Anyway, Ace made a promise to bring her to her crew, and Luffy will surely fulfil it, that will happen after the arc is done or in the series epilogue, I think it will happen after the arc for reasons written before.
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I know many people dont see it, but Tama turning out to be Hiyori would be no surprise to me.
which I believe keeps her out possibilities due to Sanji already being royal.
Momo+Tama is a beast duo, with Zunisha and Tama's control over huge animals tho.
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Calling the Jesus Burgess gets the Diamond fruit too!
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I know many people dont see it, but Tama turning out to be Hiyori would be no surprise to me.
which I believe keeps her out possibilities due to Sanji already being royal.
Momo+Tama is a beast duo, with Zunisha and Tama's control over huge animals tho.
Then how does Tama know Ace, a pirate that showed up at Wano 3-4 years ago prior to the current storyline? At least make sense with your claim.
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Then how does Tama know Ace, a pirate that showed up at Wano 3-4 years ago prior to the current storyline? At least make sense with your claim.
Lady Toki could've sent her earlier in time, there's one retainer missing from the flashback, so there's some hinting.
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So is Gecko Moria gonna join the BB pirates??? and if so what does that mean for match ups?
Always thought Jesus Burgess was a better fit for the Diamond fruit than Shiryu
wouldn't it be funny if Zoro fought Jesus Burgess and Sanji fought Shiryu?
And Catarina Devon fox illusions vs Nami's weather illusions
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You really think that some cover page with Nekomamushi and some cats is a foreshadowing of the amount of crewmembers at the end for the Strawhats? Why?
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You really think that some cover page with Nekomamushi and some cats is a foreshadowing of the amount of crewmembers at the end for the Strawhats? Why?
Mostly just messing around, just thought it was a weird coincidence, and I know how this thread was terrorized by AGOG because he thought Perona would join and I just couldn't resist
I know Perona's not going to join and we will more than likely only have 11 members (10 + Luffy)
Still would like 13 members but ahhh well probs not gonna happen
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Absalom and Pedro are two different cases.
neither of those characters provided a corpse, they just went with it ala Vivi, so yeah, laughing and sobbing is no confirmation.my 'wishful' thinking is reality as of now, plus I remember being told Pedro would be brough up as soon as Carrot and Inu reunited, and to begin with, said 'super important' reunion was off-screened.
Two different cases, yet you dismiss them both the same way. We didn't have to see the bullet in Mr. 11's head to know he was dead. The people who found him said he was dead, so we have to take it on faith. Oda made it clear that Pedro and Absalom are to be considered dead as we left their respective stories, just as he made Pell's survival clear before the story letf Alabasta.
Noe excuse me, are you quoting "super important" as if someone actually said that? Who ever said anything about it being the first thing we'd see, as soon as they're reunited? All I ever said, myself, is that Carrot would fill them in, and that maybe it would lead to some deeper discussion. I expect Dogstorm to say something about Pedro, given his conspicuous absence and importance to the Minks. Whether that leads to anything for Cartot is obviously conjecture on my part, but c'mon, Pedro is getting his due from the duke at some point.
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Lady Toki could've sent her earlier in time, there's one retainer missing from the flashback, so there's some hinting.
I'm going to point out that while I can't say that isn't a possibility, personally there's no reason to believe Tama would want to go out to sea with Ace if she was patiently waiting for the members of the Kozuki Clan to return. Not to mention that Tama was 5 when Ace came to visit, so unless you're saying that Tama, being Hiyori, was dropped off into a poverty-ridden area with no noticeable retainer that Kinemon never mentioned, that's 3 years of blank history.
If you want to speculate who Hiyori could be, why not speculate the lady wearing the fox-mask or something? Since it has been like 20 years since Oden's castle was overrun and her age would fit the description at least.
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I'm going to point out that while I can't say that isn't a possibility, personally there's no reason to believe Tama would want to go out to sea with Ace if she was patiently waiting for the members of the Kozuki Clan to return. Not to mention that Tama was 5 when Ace came to visit, so unless you're saying that Tama, being Hiyori, was dropped off into a poverty-ridden area with no noticeable retainer that Kinemon never mentioned, that's 3 years of blank history.
If you want to speculate who Hiyori could be, why not speculate the lady wearing the fox-mask or something? Since it has been like 20 years since Oden's castle was overrun and her age would fit the description at least.
Kin'emon was sent to a different time, there's probably no way he knows what happened to the missing retainer and Hiyori, him not mentioning it makes perfect sense.
plus, Hitetsu(who's mysteriously waiting for someone) takes care of her.
and If Hiyori was 4 when time travelled, then probably she doesn't remembers it at all.
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Tama ain't joining, no kid that little and weak is joining the SH's and after having my hopes crushed with Mansherry (dwarf Princess) Raizo (our first Ninja) Ashura (who I was hoping would be a Yokai king) and a grandma Ninja who was thoroughly Underwhelming I can't get myself excited for characters who "might" be straw hat pirate material, so yeah Hiyori might have a chance but I'm not all over that theory
would love if it turned out that Kaido brainwashed her to becoming his ally, like all for one did with Tomura Shigaraki or Shredder did with Karai
that would explain the traitor to the minks also
Also people might think I'm insane, but if they don't have a chapter dedicated to there death I'm not buying it
also if our last crewmember happens to be just a little girl, or a generic bunny girl who didn't even get put on the latest cover (which seemed to be a huge deal when she was on one of the previous covers and now apparently means nothing at all that she's excluded from this one, for….. reasons???)when we've had a 7 level transforming Reindeer, a Hawaiian shirt and speedo wearing cyborg with a blue pompadour, a gentlemen skeleton with an Afro and Rock & Roll apparel, and a shichibukai whale shark Fishman.... if it doesn't live up that type of hype I'll be..... well... disappointed
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I'm not comparing Tama to Carrot in anyway, but it seems inevitably since Carrot got a few panels of worth in the latter half of WCI.
Yes, naturally I’ll be comparing her to Carrot. She and Jinbe are the ones set to join as far as I’m concerned, and not merely because of “a few panels of worth”. But don’t get me wrong, the problems I see with Tama are still there when compared to any current member of the crew, as well.
Nami, Usopp, Chopper are characters that are much weaker than their companions. Yet, they’re clever and have resolve to save themselves in fights against enemies who could easily kill them. Tama nearly was killed. She was relying on a familiar to protect her, and that failed. She has nothing else to fall back on besides that party trick. Any of those SHs could come up with any number of strategies to make it through, or at least use their own leg power to get themselves out of there. Tama simply doesn’t have the basic physical capabilities to defend herself, so the drama would either come from her getting a convenient familiar every time, or have someone on the crew jumping in to take on her fights. That would fly once, not for the entire series.
The same goes for the Sea King thing. If Tama was taming one, just one, that’d be fine. But we’d have to have that power used any time a Sea King or Sea Beast ever comes back, or else have her conveniently absent again, or just have no more monsters at sea. Where’s the drama in that?
In terms of social roles, she would be the little sister of the crew.
We have ages from 17 to 90, as you can see theres one group not represented, and that is kids.
Oda is great at writing and developing kid characters, just look at Robins, Frankys and Laws flashbacks.But what makes her on par with any of those flashback children? Or any child character up to now? I could draw comparisons to Aisa from Skypiea, who also had a pretty nifty ability. Or filler-y Apis who was adored by the crew and would have made a fine Straw Hat in their eyes. And of course, all of us hated her.
In group aesthetics she is also filling a missing role, the last three crewmembers been big and muscular, tall and skinny, big and round. As we can see the in the cover of volume 91, a small and feminine character fits in perfectly.
Carrot has that aesthetic too, in a non-lolicon sorta way. She’s certainly fit for the role of being a little sister. She literally calls Chopper Cho-niki, Cho-bro, big bro Chopper.
There is some room for development of her power, as we saw when she tamed Speed and was surprised herself that it worked on human, that is basically mind controlling. Add some kunoichi tricks to that and she will have a decent movepool.
She is not yet a kunoichi, and you're basically hoping she’ll become one, and a great one at that, by the end of the arc. As for Speed, one could make the argument the Smile fruit made her literally and permanently half a real animal, so that’s why the dango worked on her.
I don't think we will have to worry about getting tired of it, it is not like we will see her use it in every chapter, how often do we even see Chopper changing forms? How many times have we've seen Brooks utilize his spirit form? The abilities are there but mostly only used when necessary.
All the time. We literally saw Guard Point last chapter. Brook’s power was a major part of the battle against Big Mom. These powers are a big part of who they are, as much as their designs and personalities. Tama’s power would have to be utilized quite a bit to make it worthwhile, and by the same token, it’s way too broken and could easily ruin any suspense left when dealing with the giant monsters of the OP world.
That was more of an example of Oda not being completely foreign for the ability, we've had Luffy do it a few times with the kungfu dugongs and Ucy, Jinbei with whalesharks, Shirahoshi with seakings, and Momo with Zou. It is a legit power and why not have a specialist of it in the crew?
Like I said before, it’s not strictly the power that’s the problem. With proper checks and balances, a beat tamer could be interesting. But as it stands now, the power and Tama wielding it is merely a plot device, a MacGuffin meant to give the bad guys a reason to chase after her. But more than that, she’s not ready to find creative uses for that power. In someone else’s hands, maybe. But you can’t teach a kid to use the microwave and expect fine dining.
I think you forgot that Tama is a sick and malnourished child, she is a strong fighter at hearth though and that is what counts.
What counts, among the various other things we’ve discussed, is that being a strong fighter period is what counts. She’s not Luffy, she’s not going to get insta-buffed with a proper meal. She’s not yet a kunoichi or even a real fighter, she hasn't learned to take care of herself like Nami, and she isn’t going to magically gain those essential skills in two weeks.
Anyway, Ace made a promise to bring her to her crew, and Luffy will surely fulfil it, that will happen after the arc is done or in the series epilogue, I think it will happen after the arc for reasons written before.
Epilogue is one thing, someday is one thing. I don’t see it happening at the end of this arc.
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Kin'emon was sent to a different time, there's probably no way he knows what happened to the missing retainer and Hiyori, him not mentioning it makes perfect sense.
plus, Hitetsu(who's mysteriously waiting for someone) takes care of her.
and If Hiyori was 4 when time travelled, then probably she doesn't remembers it at all.
the hints are right there to me, even in this latest chapter Tama's loose hair looks a lot more like Hiyori's sillhouete from the fb.This is something I can actually agree with. Shutenmaru was really Ashura Doji, Tama could easily be Hiyori. No one who would know like Dogstorm has deconfirmed it yet.
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Will AGOG return from his banishment if Perona actually shows up in Wano?
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still quite early in the arc but so far I been right to think Oda would easily avoid Carrot/Inu to talk about Pedro's fake death, excusing it with how action-packed Wano will be.
one day has passed already, Carrot is right there with Inu, there's a prison break mission and several characters yet to be introduced, so Oda still has stuff to keep going on with Pedro unmentioned.Which puts Pedro's fate to share more similarities with Igaram/Pell rather than Ace/Shirohige.
No, this doesn't make sense.
Even if Pedro was alive, Inuarashi would notice that, well, he isn't there while he was supposed to. This doesn't prove that Pedro is alive, and this possibility doesn't change the reaction Inuarashi should have. There's no logic to this thought process.
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Absalom and Pedro are two different cases.
neither of those characters provided a corpse, they just went with it ala Vivi, so yeah, laughing and sobbing is no confirmation.Even with Oda being Oda… Absalom is probably dead. None of the usual "there's ambiguity"or "there was a cloud of smoke" or "the death dagger is shown next to the victim instead of in them in the next chapter" or whatnot. Oda is making zero vagaries here.
There's an identified corpse, (even if we readers don't see it) credible witnesses (endgame villains who need their threat and credibility level raised a little), immediate reactions from those affected, and a passed on devil fruit. Devil fruits passing after death is one of THE hard rules of the series. The narration box even clearly states what fruit it is, so no trickery or similar fruit involved.
Plus Absalom is one of he more disposable villains, as a rapist he wasn't likely getting redeemed, same way parent murderers like Arlong and Hody aren't allowed to be redeemed.
Unless Blackbeard can extract them from living victims but if he could I'd think he would have taken Ace's logia at the time, and been more willing to deal with admirals.
The weird thing is why did he set him up as the sneaky secret photographer if this was going to be the angle.
That said, Zombie Absalom with a different personality later isn't out of the question at all, and that may be why Oda feels okay with killing this particular character. And I still expect Monet to be alive.
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I recall Oda saying off-hand in a SBS that he didn't particularly care for Absalom, so yeah, he dead.
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Oda state him as black and white, and honestly I see him more black than white do to his dressing and his bones always been hide. Plus, in this colourspread he's dressed in black (greyish black? I don't know how to call it). I think in a scenario like this a white-dressed character would fit.
Non-sense thought: what if Jinbe became the white one? He's the knight of the sea, and honorable knights usually are white :whistling:[
Just with this picture, we have 11 colors on the rainbow. Each character had one (except Brook in black), but its missing two blue. I think one is for Jinbe. Franky seems had a blue-green and Sanji the blue. So there remains one light-blue and a dark-purple. And has Brook is black, maybe we'll have one white..](https://i.imgur.com/r140xbO.jpg)
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No, this doesn't make sense.
Even if Pedro was alive, Inuarashi would notice that, well, he isn't there while he was supposed to. This doesn't prove that Pedro is alive, and this possibility doesn't change the reaction Inuarashi should have. There's no logic to this thought process.
Oda not milking Pedro' death is fishy enough.
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Oda not milking Pedro' death is fishy enough.
as I said is still early in the arc, but if keeps going unmentioned, the fishyness will just increase.I get what you mean but you are not taking context into account. If Pedro is not mentioned, this doesn't change that basically all the people who were with him in WC and are now in Wano think he's dead, and this is the information they came to Wano with. Inuarashi as far as we know doesn't have information on this so whatever his reaction is doesn't account for confirming or denying the death. Basically you are making this speculation based on Oda's track record instead of context, and what context dictates is that lack of mention does not equal him being alive, not for the people involved.
I do expect this to be mentioned because, you know, his absence is noticeable, but I have to admit, I was bugged by the strange use of ellipsis here by Oda basically solving the Tama issue and yet not bringing up Pedro. But on your other examples, this is not like Igaram's case when the whole country was at war and it took them even a while to notice that Vivi had returned, or (not yet at least) like Pell's case when he had an off-screened funeral.
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Sould we reopen the thread ?
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=38476&highlight=DeathI'm not sure we would have the same poll results nowadays.
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Pedro was Nekomamushi’s man right?… And Wanda’s friend... So the news of his death would mostly matter to them than Inuarashi... I for one think this is good writing by Oda since the Story dictates that Inuarashi is the first person Carrot meets but then again that’s not where the emotional hook of the situation can be explored so he off screens that particular meeting since it would most likely amount to a soldier telling a general that another soldier died which doesn’t carry as much weight as telling a child hood friend of the dead soldier that or telling the actual direct commander of that soldier...
Anyway we at least know Wanda must be around so that’s where this situation will matter the most.
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Calling the Jesus Burgess gets the Diamond fruit too!
The final crew count is either going to be 13 given the missing entries in the databook. My bet is that it's either Luffy + 11 nakama + the ship or Luffy + 11 nakama + an apprentice.
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Just with this picture, we have 11 colors on the rainbow. Each character had one (except Brook in black), but its missing two blue. I think one is for Jinbe. Franky seems had a blue-green and Sanji the blue. So there remains one light-blue and a dark-purple. And has Brook is black, maybe we'll have one white..
Brook is black AND white. The missing colors are the blue-green right next to the green and the dark blue/violet color.
Reading from left to right the colors of the rainbow
Red = Luffy
Orange = Nami
Yellow = Usopp
Green = Zoro
Green/Blue (Greenish Turquoise?) = ????
Light Blue = Franky
Blue = Sanji
Dark Blue/Violet = ????
Purple = Robin
Pink = ChopperNow I've match the colors of the rainbow to the members clothes and they're a 100% exact match except for Zoro who Oda gives him a darker green for whatever reason. All the other Strawhats colors matchup perfectly with their corresponding position in the rainbow. That leaves Turquoise and Blue-Violet as remaining colors.
Now which color is Jinbe? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he's neither of those. Of course Jinbe is joining but I'm not sure he fits into those 2 colors. Brook is black and white but his color isn't featured in the rainbow because it'd look jarring. I think Jinbe might also be the case where his color is not a normal chromatic color. I guess we'll find out soon with the vivre card deck but I'm going to say that his color is probably…. gold. It's hard to really convey that through the manga and anime but from the SBS we see that Oda is open to metallic colors (he assigned "white gold" to Vivi). Thematically speaking, gold is often used to represent the sun which befits Jinbe having been former captain of the Sun Pirates.
So who are the other 2 colors. I'm not sure about the Dark Blue but I think the Greenish Turquoise is Carrot. Keeping in line which what I mentioned above about Jinbe, Carrot's imagery is associated with the Moon given her Moon Lion transformation. Jade is often used as a representation of the moon in China which is where the "moon rabbit" folklore is derived from.
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Also Tama has purple hair is pretty interesting. Do we have any characters with purple hair? Closest I can think of is Ivankov which is more of a blue-lavender color.
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This cover is definitely a snub for Carrot, but I don't think its any more of a snub than Jimbei not being in the colour spreads. Oda has really been wishy-washy with his possible new crewmates for a while now.
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But her being on the same level as Rayleigh (who became Luffy's mentor) pretty much confirms my initial assumption that she would become to Luffy what Luffy was to Shanks. Remember that literally the only skill we know she has is to weave straw hats. I suspect that by the end of Wano, Luffy will have given her his hat and she'll make him a replacement.
Also Tama has purple hair is pretty interesting. Do we have any characters with purple hair? Closest I can think of is Ivankov which is more of a blue-lavender color.
Like, half of BM's kids have purple hair.
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Just with this picture, we have 11 colors on the rainbow. Each character had one (except Brook in black), but its missing two blue. I think one is for Jinbe. Franky seems had a blue-green and Sanji the blue. So there remains one light-blue and a dark-purple. And has Brook is black, maybe we'll have one white..
Light blue= Jinbe
Dark Purple= Hiyori
White= Carrot:pBut in all seriousness, its a stretch, but I do think Hiyori may be played up as a super important character this arc in the end.
Momonosuke is far too young to be in Luffy's crew, in addition to the fact that he wants to be Daimyo of Wano, but what of his sister? If she was never sent forward in time (for whatever reason), she would be so time displaced from her brother, it may actually a good thing she joins Luffy (his crew is full of oddities and people who don't belong). She'd be 24-26 at this point, a great age to join Luffy, and she could possibly be a Kunoichi, a fighting style we don't have on the crew (a Samurai joining would be redundant due to Zoro and the possibility of him just learning their techniques like Kinemon's Fox Fire technique).
With Hiyori having ties to her father, a man who joined the Pirate Kings ship at a young age, and her mother, a woman likely born during the time of the void century, she may have more reason to be on Luffy's ship, especially due to Momo being too young. On top of this, its possible she is the person who faces off against Orochi, a person who actually killed her father, instead of Zoro (who has been constantly popularized to fight him for some reason). Now that King is a thing, and is possibly a powerful swordsman, it leaves the possibility that someone else will fight Orochi, someone who has a more personal connection to him.
Jinbe is an obvious choice, he'll be back when BM arrives in some fashion. He is the Strawhat Helmsman now. Carrot is a definite maybe to me due to Pedro, and the idea that his will was passed along to her, but we have to see how much focus she gets in an arc as big as Wano.
If it is 11 members, Jinbe and possibly a Kunoichi (Hiyori). If its 12, I'd say all 3 of these people I mentioned. I feel like Wano is going to be the final opportunity to gain allies for an adventure for a story that is possibly ending in the next decade. We need them to actually be on the boat and spend time with Luffy, etc.
The final crew count is either going to be 13 given the missing entries in the databook. My bet is that it's either Luffy + 11 nakama + the ship or Luffy + 11 nakama + an apprentice.
Its funny because its likely either 11 total counting Luffy (Jinbe+ 1 more) and the 2 ships (Merry and Sunny), 11 without Luffy (like you mention; Jinbe+ 2 more) and just Sunny or its actually 13 crew members counting Luffy (Jinbe + 3 more) and the editors of the new databook actually have knowledge of this (it seems like the databook is future proofed to include new crewmembers at least due to the numbers).
This could also possibly mean that if they have this information, the new crew members joining is supposed to happen soon (as in the end of this arc soon)
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Well Vivi is still a Strawhat, technically. If you're gonna count Merry… ^^
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Dark blue/purple is called indigo, people
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Children are simply not joining, don't get Tama's purple hair drive you guys away from Bone Spitter, the real contender
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But her being on the same level as Rayleigh (who became Luffy's mentor) pretty much confirms my initial assumption that she would become to Luffy what Luffy was to Shanks. Remember that literally the only skill we know she has is to weave straw hats. I suspect that by the end of Wano, Luffy will have given her his hat and she'll make him a replacement.
I have been thinking for a while now about this hypothesis that Tama will become the "next generation", the one who will inhirit Luffy's will… nonetheless, I always thought that it was a little suspecious that Oda would choose a girl for this role, considering the prevalent sexism in One Piece and the fact that Oda has said many times that he writes for "boys" (shonen). In other words, the most natural choice for a character to be Luffy's next generation would be any little boy, not a little girl.
However, maybe Oda has chosen a girl for the role because he has two daughters and no boys. Maybe that's how he feels about it in his life, as if his girls are to him what Tama will be to Luffy's ideals.
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I suspect that by the end of Wano, Luffy will have given her his hat and she'll make him a replacement.
And break his promise to Shanks?
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Yeah, I think people should keep an open mind to Tama. Didn't the new databook confirm that Shanks was only around 10 or 11 when he became an apprentice on Roger's ship.
I think people expect that any member to join to be a full-fledged fighting member of the crew and not, possible, an apprentice with a very limited role.
Not saying she'll join, but people should keep an open mind. Roger had an apprentice on his ship, so why not Luffy which the series draws many parallels between?
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Makes sense that now that the SH's are an experienced pirate crew, they could let a rookie(with high potential) get into the crew, but children, com' on!!
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Makes sense that now that the SH's are an experienced pirate crew, they could let a rookie(with high potential) get into the crew, but children, com' on!!
Why not? Doffy had children in his crew, he himself was a child when he became a pirate. I don't see a reason why children can't join.
In retrospective, if you think about it, since the SH entered the New World, children were allways a theme.
Punk Hazard - experiments on children
Dressrosa - Sugar was kinda the reason for Doffys downfall + Laws childhood + Doffy childhood
Zou - ok, not really anything remarkable involving children except Momo talking to Zunisha
WCI - flashback of Big Moms childhood and she has 85 children
and now we have TamaMaybe those are all hints that the next nakama will be a child, nothing is impossible. Also even after this short time, Tama has a better chance of joining than Carrot because of her deeper relationship to Luffy.
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Makes sense that now that the SH's are an experienced pirate crew, they could let a rookie(with high potential) get into the crew, but children, com' on!!
See: Roger's crew
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See: Roger's crew
True Roger had kids on his crew, but the man Luffy truly idolizes is Shanks, who in the first chapter refused to let Luffy as a kid join his crew
Knowing how much Luffy looks up to shanks and is inspired by him, i doubt he'd do the exact opposite of his hero and have a frail child who's not battle ready join his crew
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True Roger had kids on his crew, but the man Luffy truly idolizes is Shanks, who in the first chapter refused to let Luffy as a kid join his crew
Knowing how much Luffy looks up to shanks and is inspired by him, i doubt he'd do the exact opposite of his hero and have a frail child who's not battle ready join his crew
I don't think that really matters. Luffy is his own person. Sure, Luffy idolizes Shanks but that doesn't mean he's trying to emulate Shanks.
The reason I bring this up is that the story draws A LOT of parallels between Roger and Luffy. And as another user mentioned having an apprentice would serve the purpose of shining a spotlight on the "next generation". Not saying it'll happen but people shouldn't write it off so easily.
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You know, I am not sold on this idea that every SH will necessarily have to fight 1x1 against one of the BB Commanders, so I don't see any problem with some SH not having fighting capabilities. I mean, yes, this is a battle/adventure manga, but is clear that Oda doesn't really exploit all the SH through fights. In 25 years Nami only got two fights. Robin only fought once to this day and it was against such a fodder of an opponent that we only count that fight to not face the fact she never got a fight at all.
Except for the self imposed rule (we love those, don't we) that each SH will necessarily have to fight against one of the Blackbeard Pirates by themselves, there is no reason for each and every SH to necessarily have fighting abilities.I am not saying that Tama is joining, but I never saw much weight in this point and will always think a no-fighting cabine boy/girl on the SH could always happen as long as the said kid can have useful abilities that could be used in other ways.
(EDIT: Also not saying that those 1x1 won't happen. I'm just saying it is not an established fact as people take it to the point of deciding other things based on that notion)
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"Tanaka wonders if it was even necessary considering the heavy impact of Luffy VS Usopp and comments on what a wonderful character is. Oda says he's the closest to a human in the series with everyone else being super human. He feels that as Usopp slowly gets stronger, his readers can feel the same way and get stronger too. Tanaka loves how when Luffy and team go off leaving Nami and Usopp behind then they both say, "Counting on you -_-;" Oda says there are certain things he wants to keep the same because it will just upset the balance. No matter who joins, he always wants Usopp to be the weakest, he always wants Chopper to believe Usopp's lies. There are just some weaknesses he wants them to carry."
-A summary by Greg of a discussion between Oda and Luffy's VA
This alone totally shuts down the idea of ever having a non-fighter cabin boy/girl. That includes Tama.
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@Rival:
"Tanaka wonders if it was even necessary considering the heavy impact of Luffy VS Usopp and comments on what a wonderful character is. Oda says he's the closest to a human in the series with everyone else being super human. He feels that as Usopp slowly gets stronger, his readers can feel the same way and get stronger too. Tanaka loves how when Luffy and team go off leaving Nami and Usopp behind then they both say, "Counting on you -_-;" Oda says there are certain things he wants to keep the same because it will just upset the balance. No matter who joins, he always wants Usopp to be the weakest, he always wants Chopper to believe Usopp's lies. There are just some weaknesses he wants them to carry."
-A summary by Greg of a discussion between Oda and Luffy's VA
This alone totally shuts down the idea of ever having a non-fighter cabin boy/girl. That includes Tama.
An apprentice isn't thought of as a normal member of the crew (see Inuarashi's conversation in ch. 820), so I don't really see any contradiction if Carrot were to join. There's also the generational difference between Tama and the others.
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So, examples of children being abused, experimented, used as soldiers or labor, controlled, lied, traficked, abandoned, eaten, and ignoring the biggest line of fishman island, "The children are watching", are evidence of a child joining a small band of adventurers?
Forgetting how Chimney (who seemed more like a weird teen without Oda's usual female body type), Aisa, that one kid from Alabasta who tried to be a revolutionary and got shoot and kicked by our beloved Mr 2 for his trouble, that one kid from Cocoyashi who Nami saves from trying to kill arlong, the Usopp pirates, Momonosuke, and one Monkey D Luffy. No kids on pirate ships. Tagalong kids stay on their island.
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An apprentice isn't thought of as a normal member of the crew (see Inuarashi's conversation in ch. 820), so I don't really see any contradiction if Carrot were to join. There's also the generational difference between Tama and the others.
My point was about Oda's wishes for Usopp. Usopp being the most human, weakest and most relatable of the straw hats is a significant part of his character. It has already been explained that this is something Oda wants to maintain. Therefore we are not gonna have someone like Tama join who would basically disrupt this balance. If she becomes an apprentice, then as you say she still won't be classified as one of the main members and won't be treated in the same regard as the others. I believed this thread was created to find who that person would be. Not just any companion.
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So, examples of children being abused, experimented, used as soldiers or labor, controlled, lied, traficked, abandoned, eaten, and ignoring the biggest line of fishman island, "The children are watching", are evidence of a child joining a small band of adventurers?
Nobody said evidence, maybe hints nothing more.
Forgetting how Chimney (who seemed more like a weird teen without Oda's usual female body type), Aisa, that one kid from Alabasta who tried to be a revolutionary and got shoot and kicked by our beloved Mr 2 for his trouble, that one kid from Cocoyashi who Nami saves from trying to kill arlong, the Usopp pirates, Momonosuke, and one Monkey D Luffy.
Yes, but at this point there is a difference between those children and Tama.
No kids on pirate ships.
Sorry, that' just nonsense.
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Yes, but at this point there is a difference between those children and Tama.
What's the difference between them? Tama may have a Devil Fruit power (so did Luffy when he was a kid; didn't mean he was ready to become a pirate), but she's also been kidnapped about three times in the first act of this arc.
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You know, I am not sold on this idea that every SH will necessarily have to fight 1x1 against one of the BB Commanders
Its a shonen manga, you'd better believe every main character is getting a fight in the final battle.
In 25 years Nami only got two fights.
Doublefinger, Davy Back,Kumadori, Califa, Absalom, fodders on fishmen island. Plus support roles against Buggy, Enel, Oars, Cracker, Big Mom and such.
Robin only fought once to this day
Pell, Tashigi, marine grunts, Yama, general zombies, and she tried to snap Moria's neck, and broke Hammond's spine. Plus support roles.
They haven't had anywhere near as many fights as the monster trio, but no one has. Usopp and Franky are probably close. But Brook and Chopper have both had very few fights, and Chopper's been around forever.
And 21 years, not 25.
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What's the difference between them? Tama may have a Devil Fruit power (so did Luffy when he was a kid; didn't mean he was ready to become a pirate), but she's also been kidnapped about three times in the first act of this arc.
Her relationship to Ace and Luffy.
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She is one of the few characters who got to share the volume cover alone with all the strawhats, so far the only ones who have done that is Franky before he joined, Rayleigh and Jinbei.
She wore Luffys strawhat.
She is from amigasa village, which means strawhat village.
And the fact that Ace promised next time he goes to Wano he will make sure to stop the famine and bring Tama along with his crew, Luffy already promised to bring an end to the famine.
And you guys keep saying she is another kid like Aisa and Chimney. Atleast recognize she got some very strong points going for her.
The only problem I see is if she ends up being Hiyori in some weird kind of way, then i’d guess she will end being another Shirahoshi and Rebecca.