maybe bone spitter is the phaesant
Chapter 924 : Ha*
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damn im excited to learn more of how Kaidou operates and his empire
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I see Franky acquiring the skill to make things with seastone...maybe even some weapons to add to the ship...maybe some weapon to fight Kaidou
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@Buggy:
damn im excited to learn more of how Kaidou operates and his empire
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I see Franky acquiring the skill to make things with seastone...maybe even some weapons to add to the ship...maybe some weapon to fight Kaidou
that would actually be quite awesome!
I do wonder whay developments this arc will bring… I feel like its going to be HUGE based on fights alone...but you make another interesting point: what will it do for thr Strawhats long term?
Perhaps another bounty increase...especially if they really do take down Kaido!
I hope to see Zoro finally face a true challenge. Everything has been too easy for him. I wonder if Robin or Brook or Usppp could gain from this. I would really like something to bring them more attention.
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that would actually be quite awesome!
I do wonder whay developments this arc will bring… I feel like its going to be HUGE based on fights alone...but you make another interesting point: what will it do for thr Strawhats long term?
Perhaps another bounty increase...especially if they really do take down Kaido!
I hope to see Zoro finally face a true challenge. Everything has been too easy for him. I wonder if Robin or Brook or Usppp could gain from this. I would really like something to bring them more attention.
Honestly, I would have rathered want to see Zoro get bitch-slapped more then Luffy. Especially by an actual samurai.
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Is it a fact that Kaidou knows of Momo's existence ? I thought nobody knows they reappeared 20y later except Raizou (cause Jack asked specifically for him). And also i think back in Zou it was said that Momonosuke didn't inherit the ability to read/write poneglyphs and thus Kaidou would not need him. Also, i bet there are others that can do that besides the shogun and Oden.
Well Kaidou knows he didn’t kill Momonosuke back 20 years ago so surely if Raizo is back then that should be enough confirmation for him that all the people who didn’t get killed must have returned
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It happens with some themes and Opera browser. It works fine on firefox and fishmen island theme:ninja:
How do you change themes
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How do you change themes
Left bottom corner, from the drop down menu, fishmen island is my favorite.
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@Big:
I would have to respectfully disagree here, epoch. Character development actually doesn't take center stage too much in One Piece, in comparison to say, Shinji ikari in Evangelion (a classic case which has been described as an anime "bildungsroman". I'm obviously even able to spell this German word correctly. ).
This. One shouldn't be disappointed to not see character growth in One Piece because the author has not built his 900+ chapters story on that. Expecting it will only bring you disappointment. It would be similar to be disappointed because there is no romance in One Piece. That's not this kind of story. If you want a story about character growth you can read plenty of other stories and continue to enjoy One Piece for what Oda does the best.
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So is it sure that fish bone guy is not kid? That whole scene is confusing.
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@S.C.:
Honestly, I would have rathered want to see Zoro get bitch-slapped more then Luffy. Especially by an actual samurai.
I don't know about that but I do know that I wanted to see him not win so easily for a change. I want Zorro to face a true challenge, like he did against Kaku in part 1. Or like he did against Das bones in part 1. Or like Luffy did against Katakuri just last arc. Something to force Zoro to actually break a sweat and then some.
Left bottom corner, from the drop down menu, fishmen island is my favorite.
ooh! Sooo using the Dressrosa one now that I know AP has themes. (this is the only vbulletin forum I still use these days…havent had one with multiple themes in ages)
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@uniaka:
So is it sure that fish bone guy is not kid? That whole scene is confusing.
Yeah. The guards brought Luffy into a hall where the fish bone guy was, then they took him into another room and threw him into a cell next to Kid.
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@uniaka:
That whole scene is confusing.
Only if you read it like if it was a recent HunterXHunter chapter.
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Regarding the discussion about Luffy starting to think before he acts and being less willing to get into trouble than in the past - I have a few issues with that.
Namely, him being so pragmatic would be a pretty major shift in his character - one that we haven't really seen in One Piece at all. The plot hasn't revolved around Luffy learning how to improve on his internal flaws to become a better pirate and captain - rather, Luffy is aided in his growth as a captain by adding a wide variety of crewmates who each add something different to the crew. But the key to success for Luffy himself has always been standing up for what he believes in and growing strong enough to do that successfully. If we start seeing Luffy carefully plan out his next moves, and think several steps in advance, would that really be Luffy? It would be quite the loop and I'm not sure it would benefit One Piece.
Also, in order for this development to feel natural and realistic, there needs to be an inciting incident (or preferably multiple ones) that show Luffy that he is not going to succeed with his disposition. So has there been any such event? One could say the Sabaody incident, but then you have to think about the alternative. Sure, Luffy could have avoided having his crew split up if he never punched Charlos, but two of his friends would have been enslaved. And him deciding not to invade Impel Down and Marineford would have benefited him physically, but it wouldn't have aided the Whitebeard Pirates in rescuing Ace - they may never have had a shot if Luffy wasn't there.
So I don't think Luffy has had much reason to really regret his headstrong nature. I'm reminded of his conversation with Doflamingo right before he activates Gear Fourth - Doflamingo saying that Dressrosa would have been happy and peaceful if the Straw Hats had never shown up and caused trouble, only for Luffy to reply that, under the surface, it had never been either of those to begin with.
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Only if you read it like if it was a recent HunterXHunter chapter.
I don't read that manga, so you will have to make one piece reference instead.
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@uniaka:
I don't read that manga, so you will have to make one piece reference instead.
If you paid as much attention as Luffy did during Jinbe's backstory on Fishman Island, then.
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Damn rip to that one guy who shared how he wanted the chapter to go. Why y’all shitting on him so much lol
Who are you referring to? Because 3 people is not all.
And I'll be honest, the way epoch wanted the chapter to go was indeed pretty bad lol.
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@Kaido:
Regarding the discussion about Luffy starting to think before he acts and being less willing to get into trouble than in the past - I have a few issues with that.
I think the issue is mainly because this behavior of luffy is accepted dufferently among people. Some really love this trait of Luffy but some other hate it. That's why those latter would like to see him change and become more reasonable. But the probabilities it will happen are very low in my opinion
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On the other hand, if Luffy keeps getting tough lessons on almost every place he's been to since Shabondy and still manages to win with willpower, luck and other circumstance, then we aren't reading much of a story here, are we.
Not saying Luffy needs to become a strategist and a tactician, but getting beaten and repeatedly caught off guard doesn't seem to be doing much so far.
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I don't think it's on luffy at all, even if he had it before. Looks like kaidou kld your crew and hurt tama very bad? Play it cool and stick with the plan, really???
It's more on him the urashima and holdem deal, that was clear it would get the attention of kaidou. Not that it would count much in the end, since looks like hawkins was informing kaidou or jack anyway.
@RigaCrypto:The discussion isn't about Luffy's reason to lash out and jump Kaidou, but more that he rushes in this situations and gets K.Oed/ captured/ beaten that it starts to grow repetitive for Oda to keep using the same circumstances / set-up for Luffy to develop / gain strength … I'm dying to see a good combo between post-timeskip Sanji Luffy Zorro or even with more of them.
He is faced with crazy scenarios all the time that don't really leave room for anything else. And some broke powers that can do that to anyone. Like kaidou on top of strongest creature could very well have that club with seastone too. And luffy still get out fine many times like holdem, urashima, hawkins.
And it's not just luffy but other SHs too, or they forget to help luffy. Like kinemon said in zou they need to get in unnoticed, and he knows how, but forgot to do it for luffy's group when they get here too, like have meeting with them before wano. Luffy captured in cake island was all sanji.
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The discussion isn't about Luffy's reason to lash out and jump Kaidou, but more that he rushes in this situations and gets K.Oed/ captured/ beaten that it starts to grow repetitive for Oda to keep using the same circumstances / set-up for Luffy to develop / gain strength … I'm dying to see a good combo between post-timeskip Sanji Luffy Zorro or even with more of them.
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The discussion isn't about Luffy's reason to lash out and jump Kaidou, but more that he rushes in this situations and gets K.Oed/ captured/ beaten that it starts to grow repetitive for Oda to keep using the same circumstances / set-up for Luffy to develop / gain strength … I'm dying to see a good combo between post-timeskip Sanji Luffy Zorro or even with more of them.
Call me strange, but I actually think that Luffy's depiction with regards to him attacking Drunk Dragon a'k'a Kaido has some logic behind it:
1. Luffy can be quite quick-tempered. Ironically, too much "character development" is a fiction's reader's fantasy. Research shows that even in real life, most or almost all character traits are pretty stable over a long amount of time and pretty much non-changeable (only with age or traumata). What's only changeable are issues of worldview or some attitudes. Long story short: It's not "unrealistic" to assume that Luffy running into things is a stable part of his character that might never quite change.
2. Luffy assumed that Kaido had maybe killed his friends. Kaido hit the place they were standing with what was probably one of the strongest attacks we've seen so far in the series (because obviously it's freakin' Kaido's attack). Less short-tempered people have lost their cool in real life for MUCH less than Luffy assumed to be happening at this moment.
3. Luffy has been, even if it didn't always look that way, on quite a "lucky streak" or a sequence of successes in the New World. His Gear 4 completely dominated Doflamingo, maybe the strongest Shichibukai except Weevil (and he would have won the fight against Doffy much quicker if he hadn't lost his stamina because of Gear 4) and he even overcame Legendary badass Katakuri, the man with the highest bounty at that time known. It's at least understandable that Luffy assumed that the gap between him and Kaido might not be that big or that he could at least deter/hold him off/tease him. What purpose do you think the fight against Katakuri served in terms of story power scalings? Right, it told us that Luffy should as of now be at least "Yonko Commander level" (if there is such a thing). We can reasonably assume that Luffy is already able to hold his own against anyone one step below the Yonko or Admirals. This might explain, again, why he underestimated the gap between him and Kaido.
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Luffy needs to gradually become a better fighter if he wishes to surpass the likes of Blackbeard and Sakazuki, but he isn't like Zoro who trains in-between arcs.
So he has to relay on getting beaten until he develops new ways to defeat his enemies.
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Luffy needs to gradually become a better fighter if he wishes to surpass the likes of Blackbeard and Sakazuki, but he isn't like Zoro who trains in-between arcs.
He developed Gear 2 as a response to him getting his ass beaten by Kuzan at Longring Long Island and revealed it first at Enies Lobby. Where do you think he learned and developed it? We mus assume it happened between Longring and Water 7/Enies Lobby.
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Woah. Woah. Woah.
Mihawk is definitely stronger than Doflamingo.
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I'm completely stumped. If Law and Luffy, without crew, stand absolutely zero chance against Kaidou, how is he going to be beat? The two strongest people in the whole alliance were totally fodderized: emptied of all their powers in the most garish manner one could think of. What are we in for really?
Please, someone help me out. How does Oda get out of this one? And nobody should tell me he's going to time travel into the future and become Haku or be tamed by Tama with the dango dango balls.
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I'm completely stumped. If Law and Luffy, without crew, stand absolutely zero chance against Kaidou, how is he going to be beat? The two strongest people in the whole alliance were totally fodderized: emptied of all their powers in the most garish manner one could think of. What are we in for really?
Please, someone help me out. How does Oda get out of this one? And nobody should tell me he's going to time travel into the future and become Haku or be tamed by Tama with the dango dango balls.
You forgot Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Marco and the remnants of the WB crew and the Samurai-Mink alliance.
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@Big:
He developed Gear 2 as a response to him getting his ass beaten by Kuzan at Longring Long Island and revealed it first at Enies Lobby. Where do you think he learned and developed it? We mus assume it happened between Longring and Water 7/Enies Lobby.
I do think there is a difference between trying new things with a Devil Fruit to lifting and swinging weights every day.
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@Kaido:
Regarding the discussion about Luffy starting to think before he acts and being less willing to get into trouble than in the past - I have a few issues with that.
Namely, him being so pragmatic would be a pretty major shift in his character - one that we haven't really seen in One Piece at all. The plot hasn't revolved around Luffy learning how to improve on his internal flaws to become a better pirate and captain - rather, Luffy is aided in his growth as a captain by adding a wide variety of crewmates who each add something different to the crew. But the key to success for Luffy himself has always been standing up for what he believes in and growing strong enough to do that successfully. If we start seeing Luffy carefully plan out his next moves, and think several steps in advance, would that really be Luffy? It would be quite the loop and I'm not sure it would benefit One Piece.
Also, in order for this development to feel natural and realistic, there needs to be an inciting incident (or preferably multiple ones) that show Luffy that he is not going to succeed with his disposition. So has there been any such event? One could say the Sabaody incident, but then you have to think about the alternative. Sure, Luffy could have avoided having his crew split up if he never punched Charlos, but two of his friends would have been enslaved. And him deciding not to invade Impel Down and Marineford would have benefited him physically, but it wouldn't have aided the Whitebeard Pirates in rescuing Ace - they may never have had a shot if Luffy wasn't there.
So I don't think Luffy has had much reason to really regret his headstrong nature. I'm reminded of his conversation with Doflamingo right before he activates Gear Fourth - Doflamingo saying that Dressrosa would have been happy and peaceful if the Straw Hats had never shown up and caused trouble, only for Luffy to reply that, under the surface, it had never been either of those to begin with.
Completly agree with this way of putting things.
Except that I believe this has been going on for some time. After Ace's death Luffy saw that he needed to grow stronger and put his adventure on hold for TWO YEARS to get better. He made an alliance with Bege to take down Big Mom out of convenience and not friendship. He had to think how to overcome Katakuri and actually ran away from that battle a few times, after ensuring he wouldn't go after his crew.
Maybe we are just not buying Luffy's strenght at this moment: there's something in his growth that seems forced. Not to open a can of worms, but there is a whole dispute about wether he actually defeates ans overcame Katakuri.Regarding what other people said about Tama dying: that would never never happen in One Piece. And still, Luffy thought it happened and acted according to his personality.
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I'm completely stumped. If Law and Luffy
Not that I disagree, but Law literally did nothing. That was all Luffy.
Please, someone help me out. How does Oda get out of this one? And nobody should tell me he's going to time travel into the future and become Haku or be tamed by Tama with the dango dango balls.
That's up to Oda to decide, but no, no one was going to tell you that he'd time travel into the future. Not only does that not make sense (how would that make him stronger?), but it's literally impossible.
And the Tama thing is anti-climatic as hell, and tbh it only ensures that Tama is safe, assuming that it even works on a Zoan user.
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Woah. Woah. Woah.
Mihawk is definitely stronger than Doflamingo.
I forgot about him. Damn, dementia is starting to set in and I'm only in my Twenties.
Seriously, I should re-read the series. Been a long time since I've done that.
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@Big:
I forgot about him. Damn, dementia is starting to set in and I'm only in my Twenties.
Seriously, I should re-read the series. Been a long time since I've done that.
Yeah, who knows what else you've forgotten.
Btw, Shanks is one of emperors.
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Not that mihawk as strongest is confirmed, just assumption, he can't even cut buggy.
At least doflamingo is more versatile, and that birdcage is crazy or parasite. Swordmen like mihawk without their sword, then it's interesting to see if they can do anything. I like how yonkou BM is monster with both sword skills and without it.
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Take away Big Mom's devil fruit and she's not half as dangerous. Just saying. No cloud riding, no lightnings and fires.
It's also an assumption that Mihawk can't cut Buggy. ^^;
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Not really, she is born monster iron ballon that doesn't seem to be related to her fruit, that is mroe about creating homies, and stealing years only works on scared people. And solo'd elbaf before she even got her fruit lol at age 5.
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People forgot she killed a bear in one hit?
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Take away Big Mom's devil fruit and she's not half as dangerous. Just saying. No cloud riding, no lightnings and fires.
It's also an assumption that Mihawk can't cut Buggy. ^^;
Almost everybody that is known as a powerful character in OP is strong in his own right, without DF, Haki, etc. Even Luffy, without Gomu Gomu is strong as hell. Remember when he still smashed rocks and shit before gaining Gear 2.
And also, as KageKage said, BM KO'ed the Giants leaders out cold, killed the bear, she even ate the fking kids, a table and some chairs in the middle of obtaining the DF :))) -
@Kaido:
Regarding the discussion about Luffy starting to think before he acts and being less willing to get into trouble than in the past - I have a few issues with that.
Namely, him being so pragmatic would be a pretty major shift in his character - one that we haven't really seen in One Piece at all. The plot hasn't revolved around Luffy learning how to improve on his internal flaws to become a better pirate and captain - rather, Luffy is aided in his growth as a captain by adding a wide variety of crewmates who each add something different to the crew. But the key to success for Luffy himself has always been standing up for what he believes in and growing strong enough to do that successfully. If we start seeing Luffy carefully plan out his next moves, and think several steps in advance, would that really be Luffy? It would be quite the loop and I'm not sure it would benefit One Piece.
Also, in order for this development to feel natural and realistic, there needs to be an inciting incident (or preferably multiple ones) that show Luffy that he is not going to succeed with his disposition. So has there been any such event? One could say the Sabaody incident, but then you have to think about the alternative. Sure, Luffy could have avoided having his crew split up if he never punched Charlos, but two of his friends would have been enslaved. And him deciding not to invade Impel Down and Marineford would have benefited him physically, but it wouldn't have aided the Whitebeard Pirates in rescuing Ace - they may never have had a shot if Luffy wasn't there.
So I don't think Luffy has had much reason to really regret his headstrong nature. I'm reminded of his conversation with Doflamingo right before he activates Gear Fourth - Doflamingo saying that Dressrosa would have been happy and peaceful if the Straw Hats had never shown up and caused trouble, only for Luffy to reply that, under the surface, it had never been either of those to begin with.
It would have been easy to make Luffy more mature using his brother's death and the seperation. Oda decided to keep him the same and made it all about his strength which is also a choice. But To say that there wasn't an opportunity seems disengenuous. I mean Zoro got more braggy and lazy so change ver the 2 years is not some crazy thing especially since we saw how badly Luffy was broke and he was forced to do something that was against his MO AKA take a breath and regroup.
He could have for example not pointlessly pick a fight with Fuji but he did to tell us it's the same old Luffy. Maturing a bit doesn't mean becoming Law.
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Almost everybody that is known as a powerful character in OP is strong in his own right, without DF, Haki, etc. Even Luffy, without Gomu Gomu is strong as hell. Remember when he still smashed rocks and shit before gaining Gear 2.
And also, as KageKage said, BM KO'ed the Giants leaders out cold, killed the bear, she even ate the fking kids, a table and some chairs in the middle of obtaining the DF :)))Really think I needed a reminder of that?
Did you see what I quoted? The point is none of the top dogs will be quite as strong if they aren't using their preferred method. Without her devil fruit BM is still a monster, just not at long distance as well as she is now. No raiton or katon for her.
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Really think I needed a reminder of that?
Did you see what I quoted? The point is none of the top dogs will be quite as strong if they aren't using their preferred method. Without her devil fruit BM is still a monster, just not at long distance as well as she is now. No raiton or katon for her.
How so? Top dogs don't seem to have preferred method, like swordmen. BM was wrecking with anything: sword, cloud, hand. Wb was wrecking with either fist or his weapon. BB himself was really good without any fruit to give shanks what mihawk never managed, scars from their battle.
BM's fruit doesn't make her stronger or weaker. Homies? people like sanji use fire without needing something special, he can also fly, much like the sons of BM that could have teached her geppou and not need her cloud. There is no way legs mihawk or club mihawk would perform close to sword mihawk if he only trained perfecting swordmanship.
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@uniaka:
Not that mihawk as strongest is confirmed, just assumption, he can't even cut buggy.
At least doflamingo is more versatile, and that birdcage is crazy or parasite. Swordmen like mihawk without their sword, then it's interesting to see if they can do anything. I like how yonkou BM is monster with both sword skills and without it.
If you're gonna take out Mihawk's main way of fighting, might as well take out Doflamingo's fruit.
Plus, Mihawk has a reserve knife, so he can still fight.
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If you're gonna take out Mihawk's main way of fighting, might as well take out Doflamingo's fruit.
Plus, Mihawk has a reserve knife, so he can still fight.
Not to mention Mihawk could just turn his sword to the blunt side and smack buggy.
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It would have been easy to make Luffy more mature using his brother's death and the seperation. Oda decided to keep him the same and made it all about his strength which is also a choice. But To say that there wasn't an opportunity seems disengenuous. I mean Zoro got more braggy and lazy so change ver the 2 years is not some crazy thing especially since we saw how badly Luffy was broke and he was forced to do something that was against his MO AKA take a breath and regroup.
Maybe, but it wasn't Luffy's fault that Ace died. Marineford didn't really present a situation that would have benefitted Luffy to be more thoughtful about his actions.
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@uniaka:
How so? Top dogs don't seem to have preferred method, like swordmen. BM was wrecking with anything: sword, cloud, hand. Wb was wrecking with either fist or his weapon. BB himself was really good without any fruit to give shanks what mihawk never managed, scars from their battle.
BM's fruit doesn't make her stronger or weaker. Homies? people like sanji use fire without needing something special, he can also fly, much like the sons of BM that could have teached her geppou and not need her cloud. There is no way legs mihawk or club mihawk would perform close to sword mihawk if he only trained perfecting swordmanship.
Well that's certainly a way to oversimplify things to prove your point, I suppose.
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@Kaido:
Maybe, but it wasn't Luffy's fault that Ace died. Marineford didn't really present a situation that would have benefitted Luffy to be more thoughtful about his actions.
Actually the reason Luffy get stronger is because he considers died from his weakness(he was helpless and Ace had to protect him) hence why his growth was strength. Another way to go was Ace die by going back when people told him not to take a pointless fight. Oda chose the first route.
But Oda could have gone either way. He chose one of them and that's fine but there's no need to pretend that was the only outcome or that growing from this experience would come from nowhere. This event and the archipelago were protrayed as shaking Luffy to his core and Oda had the opportunity if he wanted to change him a little bit. Again Zoro changed and we don't go that's stupid that he could changed despite having a less traumatic experience than Luffy.
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@Long:
Not to mention Mihawk could just turn his sword to the blunt side and smack buggy.
You mean futilely smack air while trying to keep up with the great captain Buggy
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We do need a good groin kick again in One Piece.
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Just noticed Kaido said Kidd has Conquerors haki too…. I thought when he was saying Kid, he was talking about Luffy
also how many parts can we expect???? and will there be intermissions?
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Really think I needed a reminder of that?
Did you see what I quoted? The point is none of the top dogs will be quite as strong if they aren't using their preferred method. Without her devil fruit BM is still a monster, just not at long distance as well as she is now. No raiton or katon for her.
Even without her devil fruit, Carmel estimated that she would have been an admiral, fleet admiral or the strongest in Cipher pol.
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Just noticed Kaido said Kidd has Conquerors haki too…. I thought when he was saying Kid, he was talking about Luffy
This gives us the interesting observation that: Law(will of D) + Kid(king's haki) = Luffy(Will of D and King's haki).
also how many parts can we expect???? and will there be intermissions?
If there are intermissions, it will be 3 acts otherwise there would be too much jumping around. If no intermissions, then I expect 5 acts like most real plays.
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Even without her devil fruit, Carmel estimated that she would have been an admiral, fleet admiral or the strongest in Cipher pol.
And having a devil fruit makes her even stronger…
Can't wait for another post reminding me of BM's strenght. Well done.
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And having a devil fruit makes her even stronger…
Can't wait for another post reminding me of BM's strenght. Well done.
Well well look at you receiving a well-rounded education courtesy of AP university.
Oh who am i kidding it's totally a party school.