Well, since they made seastone bullets i think they can make more stuff from it. My guess is that it was Hawkins idea for the nail bullets since he uses nails like Razh showed. But in the same manner, i'm waiting for some top seastone weapons/ shields/ equipment this arc since Oda just revealed that only the Wano craftsmen can produce refined seastone like that.
Chapter 924 : Ha*
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If Kaidou's club is made of seastone as some theorized this could explain why he reverted to his normal human form to use it.
Also, I haven't seen much discussion about what happens next. Does someone thinks we might revert back to Reverie as an interlude between acts?
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Yup, most of the guys/girls (?) here predicted it will either go back to Reverie or Weevil story. At least that is what i picked up from the last pages. Reverie was left in a cliffhanger with Sabo's group trying to save Kuma & Shanks random chitchat with the big guys.
Also, the story could cover Marco's side, Jimbei's & Sun Pirates outcome of the clash, Vinsmokes new plan, Caesar Clown's whereabouts or the other Supernovas. -
it could really go anywhere, tho, the fire festival that was mentioned just weeks ago had become much relevant than the reverie that was brought up years ago, that's kind of sad.
I wonder if the bar cells are made up with seastone as well or just regular metal, if its just metal the escape could go theorically easy just by releasing Kid.
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Well the whole SMILE thing is a result of Vegapunk's failure with his apprentice, if you think about it. Bringing him now to face it all would round things up perfectly.
One thing I forgot is that he could shed light on what it is that makes Momo's fruit a failure.
If it IS a failure! and not Cesar's jealousy. The way it was preserved made it look like a prized achievement. It doesn't look like the knock off smiles either. I think Momo's fruit was the first successful artificial df.
It is just Cesar's jealousy that made him say it was a failure. That's how I think at least.
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Luffy getting swathed away like a pesky fly jars with me. All the years of training and now this? Why would anybody go to war with such a huge disadvantage make any sense?
What is the strategy here? Swarm the headquarters and then what? Now that they've lost their strongest power what will they do? A strongest power that, as far as we know, can do nothing against this bizarre antagonist.
I reckon Luffy's punches are a hundred times more powerful than canon shot's plus they are reinforced with the malevolence of his haki. Yet, nothing. Same punches that sent Doflamingo flying across the whole length of a city. Same force that sent cracker flying.
Oda just keeps making things up as he goes. This gigantic world he has created did not go through an extremely thorough rigour of world building - it is beginning to tear at its seams as many mangas always do at the end: the resolutions are hardly ever satisfying.
Making up fruits wherever convenient: all sorts of bizarre fruits for kids for old ladies for everyone. Makes me wonder why everyone does not have some fruit power. Abusing deus ex machina makes stories cheap and unbelievable, using the same prison plot in two consecutive arcs is just lazy writing to me.
You can't afford to loose as a protagonist Luffy. Too many acts of mercy, coincidence and luck makes your character look flaky. How can you protect anyone this way?
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Wonder what alternative people have in mind for those who didn't like Luffy being jailed again. Because from my perspective, it was actually the right call to make, slight repetitiveness be damned.
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How do you beat such a creature. Why would you go against such a creature without knowing the stakes? He could have just been killed.
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How do you beat such a creature. Why would you go against such a creature without knowing the stakes? He could have just been killed.
Um, are you new to the series? If someone hurts his crew, Luffy's gonna attack. Could be a Celestial Dragon, could be a Yonkou, and what happens afterwords doesn't matter, Luffy won't ever let someone hurt a friend of his without doing something about it.
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All that work was to make him go from being a miniscule ant to an actual blip on the big boy radar.
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All that work was to make him go from being a miniscule ant to an actual blip on the big boy radar.
In hindsight, it's weird to think pre-time skip Luffy might not have been able to beat Baron Tamago and/or Pekoms.
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Wonder what alternative people have in mind for those who didn't like Luffy being jailed again. Because from my perspective, it was actually the right call to make, slight repetitiveness be damned.
Luffy shouldn't have fought Kaidou in the first place or he should have known enough to run when Law told him to. But Oda wanted to show just how strong Kaidou was. At least he could have shown Luffy trying to block the strike, then getting hit more than once to give us a sense that power levels make sense.
If Kaidou's club is made of seastone as some posit, that would be the cheapest hack ever for the strongest man in the world. It would be fighting dirty and I doubt the strongest man ever would be fighting dirty especially one that is looking for death.
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I was expecting someone to fight with seastone weapons ever since seastone was revealed. Even more if wano is the country where seastone comes from and also the only men that can craft small seastone.
With all those crazy strong DF users in the world someone has to take advantage of their kryptonite. I even want someone with full seastone armor and guns shooting seastone bullets and swords of seastone.
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Um, are you new to the series? If someone hurts his crew, Luffy's gonna attack. Could be a Celestial Dragon, could be a Yonkou, and what happens afterwords doesn't matter, Luffy won't ever let someone hurt a friend of his without doing something about it.
Yes, but he should have learnt by now what happens later matters. That is what got his crew blown away by Kuma. Same behavior got his brother killed. He stupidly imperiled his life and Nami's just because of food. He should know by now that these people can and will kill. Why would he not have a little idea about how mightily strong Kaidou is. Even if their reconnaissance and knowledge of the enemy is little shouldn't his CoO tell him to stop? Like it did during the war when he tried to attack Hawkeye. In this case, I reckon Kaidou is far more powerful than Hawkeye yet he did not sense anything.
He did not know in this case whether his crew was blown away. He was hoping they weren't.
Acts of stupidity do not help characters. It weakens them. The WCI arc totally weakened Sanji. Now Zoro is disappearing off a moving animal and getting lost. How can you be sitting next to people in a mobile animal and get lost without knowing. Things are so arbitrary and random - it is fun sometimes but it will be increasingly hard to pull off. I just hope he doesn't weaken Zoro to someone as blasé as Sanji.
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I was expecting someone to fight with seastone weapons ever since seastone was revealed. Even more if wano is the country where seastone comes from and also the only men that can craft small seastone.
With all those crazy strong DF users in the world someone has to take advantage of their kryptonite. I even want someone with full seastone armor and guns shooting seastone bullets and swords of seastone.
Benn Beckman i think has the seastone bullets or at least it's a theory. Seastone weapons should've made debut a lot earlier imo. Even more so after they entered the NW. I mean no one in BM's crew could acces a weapon like that… not the whole weapon, like Kata's trident could have the pointers like that or smth.
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Has the official translation clarified whether it’s Kidd or Kid.
P.s. Does anyone else have this problem of having to keep logging into Arlong Park every time you switch tabs
It happens with some themes and Opera browser. It works fine on firefox and fishmen island theme:ninja:
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Luffy shouldn't have fought Kaidou in the first place or he should have known enough to run when Law told him to. But Oda wanted to show just how strong Kaidou was. At least he could have shown Luffy trying to block the strike, then getting hit more than once to give us a sense that power levels make sense.
If Kaidou's club is made of seastone as some posit, that would be the cheapest hack ever for the strongest man in the world. It would be fighting dirty and I doubt the strongest man ever would be fighting dirty especially one that is looking for death.
Luffy refusing to engage Kaido after what happened to Tama and his crew would be out of character. Simple as that. What you would do is not what Luffy would do, and that comes with its pros and cons. Also the way I've been seeing this sentiment phrased, people are like this close to basically saying Luffy should never confront him period.
As for Kaido's strength, I understand the divisiveness over Kaido's strength being portrayed in such an extreme manner, but I don't see what that has to do with weaker clearly characters like Doflamingo or Cracker.
And it'll never not be weird when react badly to pirates (Or in this case, the possibility of that being the case) fighting dirty. I get it for those that are overly concerned with figuring out their power levels or whatever, but that's about it. Not that using a Seastone weapon is something I'd consider to be "dirty" to begin with.
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If we would go to Reverie or another location, wouldn't this introduce a pattern where we could go to another location after EVERY new Wano act? We still have 4 acts to go. So 4 cuts to another location? Ehhh… :blink:
I don't know, but that would seem very fragmented. I don't know if that would be good pacing or story editing. Although the 5 Reverie chapters we had were a bit too little, I admit.
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If we would go to Reverie or another location, wouldn't this introduce a pattern where we could go to another location after EVERY new Wano act? We still have 4 acts to go. So 4 cuts to another location? Ehhh… :blink:
I don't know, but that would seem very fragmented. I don't know if that would be good pacing or story editing. Although the 5 Reverie chapters we had were a bit too little, I admit.
Do all acts have to be wano and can't have rêverie as 1 of the 5 acts?
I don't see more then 1 act of rêverie, if it's 13 chapters like this one, even more with rêverie ending 1 full week before fire festival that would cover at least 2 acts if not more. So it's either 4 acts of wano + 1 act rêverie or maybe 2 rêverie and 3 wano.But then again, if rêverie was part of the acts, then rêverie we got before wano would count as act 1.
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Luffy refusing to engage Kaido after what happened to Tama and his crew would be out of character. Simple as that. What you would do is not what Luffy would do, and that comes with its pros and cons. Also the way I've been seeing this sentiment phrased, people are like this close to basically saying Luffy should never confront him period.
As for Kaido's strength, I understand the divisiveness over Kaido's strength being portrayed in such an extreme manner, but I don't see what that has to do with weaker clearly characters like Doflamingo or Cracker.
And it'll never not be weird when react badly to pirates (Or in this case, the possibility of that being the case) fighting dirty. I get it for those that are overly concerned with figuring out their power levels or whatever, but that's about it. Not that using a Seastone weapon is something I'd consider to be "dirty" to begin with.
This is a coming of age story, a bildungsroman, and it is supposed to shows character growth after extreme crisis. But crisis after crisis Luffy keeps doing the same thing. Character should develop at least some to give us, if I may say, a satisfying denouement and an ending. At this rate, we will have to wait till the very end to see any. And I'm tired of this troupe where the peril of death at the hands of antagonists is non existent because it can flimsily be excused after all the build up.
In my opinion, the excuse of breaking Luffy's will by torture, after witnessing his use of CoC even when unconscious is just lazy. Kaidou should have killed him once and for all to kill of the 20year prophesy rebellion. Maybe he is too strong to care.
Something else; why shoot a small nail instead of a bullet to disable Law. Why is Law allowing himself get hit by bullets from someone like Hawkins when it can end his life. That is just so lazy.
Anyway, let's hope things get tighter as the plot thickens.
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@uniaka:
Do all acts have to be wano and can't have rêverie as 1 of the 5 acts?
I don't see more then 1 act of rêverie, if it's 13 chapters like this one, even more with rêverie ending 1 full week before fire festival that would cover at least 2 acts if not more. So it's either 4 acts of wano + 1 act rêverie or maybe 2 rêverie and 3 wano.But then again, if rêverie was part of the acts, then rêverie we got before wano would count as act 1.
But it was specifically stated at the end of this chapter that this was the end of Act 1. And you know, the whole thing with Wano being reminscient of Japan… And the Kabuki is something so specifically japanese. Why would Oda let ANY acts of this supposed Kabuki theatre play outside the "Place-that-is-supposed-to-depict-Japan-in-the-One Piece"-world?
The only thing I can imagine is this: The act structure is supposed to be Jo-Ha-Ha-Ha-Kyu. So act 2 - 4 have another name and purpose than the first and last act. Maybe Oda won't have any location switches between 2 and 3 and 3 and 4 (I assume those will be much longer than what we had now), but between 1 and 2 and 4 and 5. As to not make this whole thing too fragmented. If that's true, we would really cut to Reverie after this chapter.
Then again, it said "Onwards towards the next Act of the Wano Arc". That's pretty straightforward I think what we can expect next week.
There's btw this theory that I and others had that Kaido could try to invade Reverie to capture Shirahoshi (because of Caribou knowing about this). That would connect those two arcs.
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Let me add that Luffy did not see his crew being blown away. He saw Kaidou shoot at their general area and he hoped that they survived it. Plus he easily evaded the fire with a horse in tow. The Tama incidence did not say that she was dead so instead of Luffy fighting Kaidou, it would have been plausible for him to run and salvage whatever was left of his crew and Tama.
The need for mangas to end every chapter on a cliffhanger can be their undoing. Yes keep the surprises coming but some modesty on the part of the writer brings us a sense of verisimilitude.
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Luffy shouldn't have fought Kaidou in the first place or he should have known enough to run when Law told him to. But Oda wanted to show just how strong Kaidou was. At least he could have shown Luffy trying to block the strike, then getting hit more than once to give us a sense that power levels make sense.
If Kaidou's club is made of seastone as some posit, that would be the cheapest hack ever for the strongest man in the world. It would be fighting dirty and I doubt the strongest man ever would be fighting dirty especially one that is looking for death.
What makes you think Kaido is a honorable warrior?
Whitebeard, Shanks, fucking Luffy don't do so. They're pirates.
This is a coming of age story, a bildungsroman, and it is supposed to shows character growth after extreme crisis. But crisis after crisis Luffy keeps doing the same thing. Character should develop at least some to give us, if I may say, a satisfying denouement and an ending. At this rate, we will have to wait till the very end to see any. And I'm tired of this troupe where the peril of death at the hands of antagonists is non existent because it can flimsily be excused after all the build up.
In my opinion, the excuse of breaking Luffy's will by torture, after witnessing his use of CoC even when unconscious is just lazy. Kaidou should have killed him once and for all to kill of the 20year prophesy rebellion. Maybe he is too strong to care.
Something else; why shoot a small nail instead of a bullet to disable Law. Why is Law allowing himself get hit by bullets from someone like Hawkins when it can end his life. That is just so lazy.
Anyway, let's hope things get tighter as the plot thickens.
Kaido doesn't care about the prophecy. That's Orochi.
Kaido also didn't kill Kid either, so we know he's in-character.
Luffy always fights oppression. If you thought that the point of the Sabaody Archipelago Arc was that Luffy just needed to let people abuse their power, then not only are you wrong, but you're expecting a very questionable message.
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This is a coming of age story, a bildungsroman, and it is supposed to shows character growth after extreme crisis. But crisis after crisis Luffy keeps doing the same thing. Character should develop at least some to give us, if I may say, a satisfying denouement and an ending. At this rate, we will have to wait till the very end to see any. And I'm tired of this troupe where the peril of death at the hands of antagonists is non existent because it can flimsily be excused after all the build up.
In my opinion, the excuse of breaking Luffy's will by torture, after witnessing his use of CoC even when unconscious is just lazy. Kaidou should have killed him once and for all to kill of the 20year prophesy rebellion. Maybe he is too strong to care.
He has grown, just not in the specific way you want. He'll never be that guy I'm sorry to say. :P
Kaido is one of the very few characters where you can easily see the justification in how he's decided to deal with Luffy. This isn't a Doflamingo situation, where we're wondering for more than half the arc how exactly Luffy will match up to him. It's been like what, 15 chapters, and we've already gotten to see the clear gap as he defeats Luffy with one hit. When you're apparently that strong, when you've been characterized as someone who's constantly drunk and is bored to the point of seeking to kill yourself, I'm personally fine with it. From Kaido's perspective, it'd be a waste to kill him, so he'll put him work. I can see the logic in that, he's a character in the story, not a reader like us. And I'm not sure why he should give up just because he has CoC? Kaido plans on having Luffy work for him the rest of his life, it's not like the process of breaking him would happen in a few weeks or something. In the end, his actions this chapter are in line with his characterization, which is what is most important to me.
Lastly, Kaido and the rest of his crew have no idea that Luffy has affiliated himself with Kin'emon and company. We don't even know if he believes in the prophecy; so far the only antagonist confirmed to be worried/paranoid about it is Orochi. And even if he did, the prophecy has nothing to do with Luffy from how they've interpreted it.
Something else; why shoot a small nail instead of a bullet to disable Law. Why is Law allowing himself get hit by bullets from someone like Hawkins when it can end his life. That is just so lazy.
Now you're just nitpicking at this point. Law didn't allow himself to get hit, it happened right as he prepared to rescue Luffy.
Bullet or nail, doesn't matter. He wouldn't die from that (Ironically he's literally survived getting shot multiple times in Dressrosa), and their preference is to capture, not kill him, just as they've done with Luffy and Kid.
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If I'm allowed to this is what I would have wanted to happen:
Luffy is bludgeoned by Kaidou blocks it but takes critical damage on the verge of unconsciousness. Law teleports him before he hits the ground and replaces him with fodder and they escape. When Kaidou finds out it is not Luffy he lashes out, sees Shutenmaru and blodgeons him with one hit. Shutenmaru is sent to jail to be broken as Kaidou wants him in his crew. At this time Kinemon has ascertained Shutenmaru is Ashura Douji and witnesses him being taken. Chapter ends with Luffy realising how little and how stupid he has been.
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If I'm allowed to this is what I would have wanted to happen:
Luffy is bludgeoned by Kaidou blocks it but takes critical damage on the verge of unconsciousness. Law teleports him before he hits the ground and replaces him with fodder and they escape. When Kaidou finds out it is not Luffy he lashes out, sees Shutenmaru and blodgeons him with one hit. Shutenmaru is sent to jail to be broken as Kaidou wants him in his crew. At this time Kinemon has ascertained Shutenmaru is Ashura Douji and witnesses him being taken. Chapter ends with Luffy realising how little and how stupid he has been.
Good thing you're not a writer. That sounds awful.
A character we barely know anything about suddenly becomes the target of a rescue. How exciting! I'm so invested in seeing how that guy that terrorized a village will escape from torture and jail.
Luffy is never going to think of himself like that (he did once, but was immediately told the problem was his strength, not his mindset), especially considering that he's spent his life fighting people that seemingly crush him at first. Where was that self-reflection against Smoker? Or Crocodile? Or Lucci in Water 7?
Luffy will rise up and try again. That's how stuff is.
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Good thing you're not a writer. That sounds awful.
A character we barely know anything about suddenly becomes the target of a rescue. How exciting! I'm so invested in seeing how that guy that terrorized a village will escape from torture and jail.
Luffy is never going to think of himself like that (he did once, but was immediately told the problem was his strength, not his mindset), especially considering that he's spent his life fighting people that seemingly crush him at first. Where was that self-reflection against Smoker? Or Crocodile? Or Lucci in Water 7?
Luffy will rise up and try again. That's how stuff is.
Yeah I'll never be a writer, but at least I can share my thoughts, maybe be an editor or something lol.
Shutenmaru ends in jail where kid and the other retainer is held. Shutenmaru tells him it is 20 years and about time they escape. We find the retainer already had a blueprint for escape. They escape with Kid and things pick up from there.
If character growth is all about strength then surely there is no depth in that. There should be some sense of wisdom when the world continues to deal you the wrong hands. You grow more careful and wiser knowing that a premature death serves nothing especially when you have a goal you must achieve. Even if in a small way he should grow some sense of care what happens next.
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Yeah I'll never be a writer, but at least I can share my thoughts, maybe be an editor or something lol.
A shitty editor can ruin a good writer by the way.
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Whatever you say, the likes of Hawkins should not incapacitate Law in such a dire situation. Seastone bullets should be able to kill these guys. The treat of death is so negligible in this mangas that it never gives us that urgency and appreciation of death as a tool for suspense and tension in the story.
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A shitty editor can ruin a good writer by the way.
The writer must be poor to let a shitty editor ruin his career. Writers persevere
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Shutenmaru ends in jail where kid and the other retainer is held. Shutenmaru tells him it is 20 years and about time they escape. We find the retainer already had a blueprint for escape. They escape with Kid and things pick up from there.
You honestly think readers prefers Kid interacting with a newcomer for like 4-5 chapters other than Luffy?
Whatever you say, the likes of Hawkins should not incapacitate Law in such a dire situation. Seastone bullets should be able to kill these guys. The treat of death is so negligible in this mangas that it never gives us that urgency and appreciation of death as a tool for suspense and tension in the story.
A bullet(or nail in this case) in the elbow never killed anyone like if it was on vital point as I recall.
Plus, a death of a character only matters if there is some sort of meaning in the future and said character has like no place in the future of the story. That's why people like Whitebeard and Ace dies while minor characters like Pell don't. Given the story so far, Oda can't just kill off Law because it certainly obvious he still has plan to him.
The writer must be poor to let a shitty editor ruin his career. Writers persevere
You just proved my point.
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Yeah I'll never be a writer, but at least I can share my thoughts, maybe be an editor or something lol.
Shutenmaru ends in jail where kid and the other retainer is held. Shutenmaru tells him it is 20 years and about time they escape. We find the retainer already had a blueprint for escape. They escape with Kid and things pick up from there.
Any editor worth their salt will tell you the bolded is shit. You're taking focus from the main characters, the people readers care about, to follow the stories of strangers with little to no development. Even the 4-5 Reverie chapters we got had Vivi and other people that interacted a ton with the Straw Hats. Hell, they even had Luffy as a major talking point through the whole arc.
Never mind that you don't know how the escape will proceed, or if they'll be rescued instead of needing to break out, or if Luffy's powers and abilities are necessary in the first place. Will Luffy need his ability to win people over in order to, say, convince some of the prisoners to help him out?
Oda has a whole story planned here. You really think you can do better without knowing the structure that's gonna be used for the remaining 80 or so chapters?
If character growth is all about strength then surely there is no depth in that. There should be some sense of wisdom when the world continues to deal you the wrong hands. You grow more careful and wiser knowing that a premature death serves nothing especially when you have a goal you must achieve. Even if in a small way he should grow some sense of care what happens next.
If the world deals the wrong hand to Luffy, then he just handles stuff with what he has.
It's the whole point of why Luffy keeps shocking the world. He has the balls to dare the people that take years to build their domains in it by stepping in and beating them. There's a reason Luffy punching Charlos was a great moment despite being super stupid and reckless. He actually went out there to fight for justice instead of just being a passive bystander like the other Supernova. Result, Luffy is way ahead in recognition with a 1.500.000 bounty.
And now he has been put in a situation where he can gain a valuable ally, all because his showing was enough to impress Kaido.
To have Luffy to take a step back and reflect is to ignore how the character has been working for 900+ chapters. Everybody telling him that fighting Kuro/Krieg/Arlong/Crocodile/Enel/Lucci/Moriah/Doflamingo was unwise, only for him to shut them up.
There's a moral in the series that's been there since the start. It's to not wait for things to happen and actually get shit done, otherwise the status quo will never be broken. Even a small flame can spark a wildfire.
P.S.: Luffy once said it's fine if he doesn't become Pirate King, so it's not like he wants to be careful about his dream. It's clear he is in it for the journey and adventure with his crew anyway.
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I'm not saying it has to be anything dramatic. Their escape could happen in a page or two coinciding with some other event. It could also be covered in a back story which isn't always a good idea but will do sometimes especially when Oda uses them all the time anyway. That said, I'm not trying to out do Oda here. I'm just saying things are things that are beginning to jar and pointing where and how.
Having balls will only get you so far that is why he showed wisdom in taking pause and training for 2 years so he can really compete with the toughest. So that he can protect those he cares for and so that he achieves his dream. It is also important that the protagonist wants very much to meet his dream. It gives stories purpose and creates room for suspense and tension because we want him to reach that dream. Putting yourself needlessly in harms way does not help and knowing that there is nothing at stake because there is one deus ex machina intervention coming is not enough.
As it is, seastones are bad for fruit users just by touching them. It should be clear that they must avoid being hit with a pin, bullet, dart, canon etc that is made from one because it can actually lead to death. With all the powers available to law in that situation no such projectile should land on him especially one shot by someone that is his peer or slightly below him.
Nobody will pretend and say this story is 100. It is playful and quirky and sort of tongue in cheek so my criticism shouldn't count much.
Good sport anyway.
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You sound like that Law knew that Hawkins had seastone nails with him and saw him coming to attack him from behind.
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You sound like that Law knew that Hawkins had seastone nails with him and saw him coming to attack him from behind.
Oda has continuously shown that powerful people have premonitions of impending danger reading it, as it ware, through CoO. They're supposed to be prepared for the worst at all times and anticipate whatever comes their way. In this case, the threat of Jack and Hawkins should have kept him honest.
It is what it is. Just airing my opinions. I mean no disrespect to anybody. Peace.
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And, if Kaidou doesn't care about the prophecy why then bother sending a Calamity to Zou. Why then censor the whole people about speaking the Koizoku clan name. Kaidou seems to have a firm hold of things developing around him as shown by his attack on speed. He should be aware that things are happening exactly 20 years even if through Orochi. He has plans and a certain crop of pirates who gets in the way of his plans successfully are now on his island at the exact time of the prophecy. He would be very absent minded not to link these two events. His portrayal so far shows otherwise.
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And, if Kaidou doesn't care about the prophecy why then bother sending a Calamity to Wano.
They live there…?
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It seems there's a general idea that with Luffy getting thrown in a cell, the story will now focus on the rest of the crew executing the plan.
Meanwhile, I'm actually worried it could be quite the opposite. With the next bunch of chapters only revolving around Luffy and his cellmate, with a quick reveal as soon as the Strawhats reunite with their captain that they managed to finish their parts perfectly. I mean, for all I know, Oda didn't hype up Kid and the mysterious prisoner this chapter to switch away in the next one. Also, since Luffy is in Udon and not Onigashima right now, it is very clear that he'll escape on his own and not get rescued by his crew, only then they'll go together to attack Kaido. Really hope I'm wrong though. -
It seems there's a general idea that with Luffy getting thrown in a cell, the story will now focus on the rest of the crew executing the plan.
Meanwhile, I'm actually worried it could be quite the opposite. With the next bunch of chapters only revolving around Luffy and his cellmate, with a quick reveal as soon as the Strawhats reunite with their captain that they managed to finish their parts perfectly. I mean, for all I know, Oda didn't hype up Kid and the mysterious prisoner this chapter to switch away in the next one. Also, since Luffy is in Udon and not Onigashima right now, it is very clear that he'll escape on his own and not get rescued by his crew, only then they'll go together to attack Kaido. Really hope I'm wrong though.Of course Luffy will still get his focus. But for those wanting to see more from the Strawhats, him being in jail only helps. Same for those who want the Calamities to be saved for other people, the chances of that have increased due to the last two chapters.
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Of course Luffy will still get his focus. But for those wanting to see more from the Strawhats, him being in jail only helps. Same for those who want the Calamities to be saved for other people, the chances of that have increased due to the last two chapters.
Not really, so far whenever he gets separated from his crew it only leads to the manga focusing on him, with the manga visiting them only when they reach certain checkpoints, except for very few instances which I hope this time will also be one of them.
And again, since Luffy isn't on Onigashima, the crew will most likely reunite with him before any of the calamities gets taken down.
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This is a coming of age story, a bildungsroman, and it is supposed to shows character growth after extreme crisis. But crisis after crisis Luffy keeps doing the same thing. Character should develop at least some to give us, if I may say, a satisfying denouement and an ending. At this rate, we will have to wait till the very end to see any. And I'm tired of this troupe where the peril of death at the hands of antagonists is non existent because it can flimsily be excused after all the build up.
In my opinion, the excuse of breaking Luffy's will by torture, after witnessing his use of CoC even when unconscious is just lazy. Kaidou should have killed him once and for all to kill of the 20year prophesy rebellion. Maybe he is too strong to care.
Something else; why shoot a small nail instead of a bullet to disable Law. Why is Law allowing himself get hit by bullets from someone like Hawkins when it can end his life. That is just so lazy.
Anyway, let's hope things get tighter as the plot thickens.
Because hawkins uses nails? As seen before?
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If Kaidou's club is made of seastone as some theorized this could explain why he reverted to his normal human form to use it.
Also, I haven't seen much discussion about what happens next. Does someone thinks we might revert back to Reverie as an interlude between acts?
Or maybe dragons dont hold things?
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Oda has continuously shown that powerful people have premonitions of impending danger reading it, as it ware, through CoO. They're supposed to be prepared for the worst at all times and anticipate whatever comes their way. In this case, the threat of Jack and Hawkins should have kept him honest.
It is what it is. Just airing my opinions. I mean no disrespect to anybody. Peace.
Even if his attention was focused on getting Luffy out of the way of danger?
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Could the mystery person in the cell be the former Shogun, Kozuki Sukiyaki ? Idk if anybody thought of this before (it's a common scenario), but instead of Oden himself, Sukiyaki could be a logic addition to this arc since he could step in when Orochi goes down and be a father figure to Momo until he comes of age.
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Could the mystery person in the cell be the former Shogun, Kozuki Sukiyaki ? Idk if anybody thought of this before (it's a common scenario), but instead of Oden himself, Sukiyaki could be a logic addition to this arc since he could step in when Orochi goes down and be a father figure to Momo until he comes of age.
Kaido wouldn't be searching for Momo if he already had somebody who could read the poneglyphs.
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The Shogun would first have to be willing to read them for Kaido.
Too many complications for it to be old Shogun, I think. Too bad Oda hid the flashback from us. :ninja:
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Damn rip to that one guy who shared how he wanted the chapter to go. Why y’all shitting on him so much lol
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Because they have nothing better to do. If Oda did it, you bet there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints. ^^
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Kaido wouldn't be searching for Momo if he already had somebody who could read the poneglyphs.
Is it a fact that Kaidou knows of Momo's existence ? I thought nobody knows they reappeared 20y later except Raizou (cause Jack asked specifically for him). And also i think back in Zou it was said that Momonosuke didn't inherit the ability to read/write poneglyphs and thus Kaidou would not need him. Also, i bet there are others that can do that besides the shogun and Oden.
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This is a coming of age story, a bildungsroman, and it is supposed to shows character growth after extreme crisis. But crisis after crisis Luffy keeps doing the same thing. Character should develop at least some to give us, if I may say, a satisfying denouement and an ending. At this rate, we will have to wait till the very end to see any. And I'm tired of this troupe where the peril of death at the hands of antagonists is non existent because it can flimsily be excused after all the build up.
In my opinion, the excuse of breaking Luffy's will by torture, after witnessing his use of CoC even when unconscious is just lazy. Kaidou should have killed him once and for all to kill of the 20year prophesy rebellion. Maybe he is too strong to care.
Something else; why shoot a small nail instead of a bullet to disable Law. Why is Law allowing himself get hit by bullets from someone like Hawkins when it can end his life. That is just so lazy.
Anyway, let's hope things get tighter as the plot thickens.
Completely disagree. One Piece, as many other mangas, is a story about a protagonist with an unflinching will, that pushes him forward against huge obstacles. The fact that he chooses to face them heads on is Luffy's growth. He is presented with the challenge of angering a Warlord as soon as he enters Grand Line: Luffy gets excited and welcomes the challenge. He is face to face with an Emperor: he challenges them. A huge dragon threatens everyone: normally a person would be scared or resort to other tactics: but Luffy chose to attack him head on and braved any fear of the huge beast: this should be inspiring and exciting for the readers, to imagine Luffy having that huge willpower and choosing to do the hard scary heads on face off. That is growth in manga. It is only the guy who punched Kaidou as soon as he saw him that will become Pirate King!
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This is a coming of age story, a bildungsroman, and it is supposed to shows character growth after extreme crisis. But crisis after crisis Luffy keeps doing the same thing. Character should develop at least some to give us, if I may say, a satisfying denouement and an ending. At this rate, we will have to wait till the very end to see any. And I'm tired of this troupe where the peril of death at the hands of antagonists is non existent because it can flimsily be excused after all the build up.
I would have to respectfully disagree here, epoch. Character development actually doesn't take center stage too much in One Piece, in comparison to say, Shinji ikari in Evangelion (a classic case which has been described as an anime "bildungsroman". I'm obviously even able to spell this German word correctly. ).