I'm just going to jump in here and say that we're getting 2 more characters after Jinbe (1 of them is Carrot) and they'll all join by the end of Wano.
BOOM
I'm just going to jump in here and say that we're getting 2 more characters after Jinbe (1 of them is Carrot) and they'll all join by the end of Wano.
BOOM
People still think a new SH is going to join after Wano? Everything in the NW has been building up to this arc where the SHs face their toughest test in the entire series. And after the dust settles, you expect some random character on a completely different island who hasn't been a part of the story for over 1000 chapters to just up and join the SHs after they officially take out an emperor? No. Not only would that be ridiculous from a story/character-development standpoint, but it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. After Wano, the SHs will have 3 of the 4 road poneglyphs and will officially be part of an emperor's crew. Face it. It's Carrot or no one at this point.
People still think a new SH is going to join after Wano? Everything in the NW has been building up to this arc where the SHs face their toughest test in the entire series. And after the dust settles, you expect some random character on a completely different island who hasn't been a part of the story for over 1000 chapters to just up and join the SHs after they officially take out an emperor? No. Not only would that be ridiculous from a story/character-development standpoint, but it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. After Wano, the SHs will have 3 of the 4 road poneglyphs and will officially be part of an emperor's crew. Face it. It's Carrot or no one at this point.
Only some of the story post-TS has been leading up to Wano. Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, and Zou. Fishman Island led more into the Big Mom plot and the bigger lore picture. Wano is more contained and has a billion characters. It's not going to be heavily focused on the crew since a ton of others have to get their time in the spotlight. It's not an ideaal arc for anyone to join, and no, Carrot isn't happening. We still have a plotline involving Vegapunk coming up, which may or may not get a full arc of its own. We also have the Rocks, which may or may not extend the story some. But we do for sure have Elbaf, an arc that's been built up even longer than Wano and will have nore Straw Hat focus since they don't have to share the spot light with as many other characters. A character is more likely to join there or anywhere else than during the ensemble cast arc that is Wano. It's not that rare that a character joins the main group super late into an adventure series. Works better if they were present throughout the story like what's being done with Jinbe. But there's still literally years left of this series, so as long as they haven't hit Raftel yet it's fair game.
As we read One Piece for years and years, it is natural to create our own personal expectations for the story and so derive narrow rules from some observations. However, some of these rules are just inventions of our own, or standards that sometimes miss their own purpose when applied without consideration to the individuality of different circunstances, and so these rules hinder the well being of the story for no reason, struggling the storytelling in such a way that only shows of our own underdeveloped writing ability.
There's nothing really barring a new Strawhat after Wano. Obviously, the crew will be top tier after defeating Kaidou, and they will be at the end game, but that's not a definitive impediment, afterall there are many different narrative approaches for new characters in the main cast. It's important to understand that the most important and iconic Strawhats have already been introduced ages ago, and they are the foundation of the crew and the foundation of the entire series, as they will always be, and nobody new should be put at the same standards. The next Strawhat doesn't need to be at the same level of protagonism and he doesn't need to be treated by Oda with the same importance, instead just being a new official comrade for the final adventure as the last flavour of the course. This situation itself also brings new possibilities of dynamics and themes for the crew to keep things fresh. He/she/they can arrive now, tomorrow or just before Laftel.
Jinbe aside, Wano isn't gonna introduce a new Straw Hat. That's pretty clear by now since the story of this arc is very focused in a different direction. Which gives us few options left - someone might join in Elbaf, someone we already know will step up to the plate, or surprise unknown arc. It should happen soon after Wano so they get SOME time with the crew before we reach the finale (kinda hope Oda manages to fit in another larger saga at that point just so we have one last big adventure (maybe the rocks?) with said last mate, but I'm not holding my breath). Hopefully they don't just grab a FuSoYa when they go to the moon.
Why won't there be a new strawhat in Wano? if Oda's line about the next strawhats joining consecutively means anything then surely we'll have a minimum of two strawhats this arc
Only some of the story post-TS has been leading up to Wano. Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, and Zou.
Fishman Island led more into the Big Mom plot and the bigger lore picture.
Every arc in the NW has had story threads leading up to this. Fishman Island isn't in the NW.
Wano is more contained and has a billion characters. It's not going to be heavily focused on the crew since a ton of others have to get their time in the spotlight.
I said this several months ago. No NN was going to show up in Wano and magically join the crew. This arc was always about the culmination of every other NW arc and no NN would've shown up just to play a minor role in their own arc.
It's not an ideaal arc for anyone to join, and no, Carrot isn't happening.
She has a better chance than anyone else and yeah, it is.
We still have a plotline involving Vegapunk coming up, which may or may not get a full arc of its own. We also have the Rocks, which may or may not extend the story some. But we do for sure have Elbaf, an arc that's been built up even longer than Wano and will have nore Straw Hat focus since they don't have to share the spot light with as many other characters. A character is more likely to join there or anywhere else than during the ensemble cast arc that is Wano. It's not that rare that a character joins the main group super late into an adventure series. Works better if they were present throughout the story like what's being done with Jinbe. But there's still literally years left of this series, so as long as they haven't hit Raftel yet it's fair game.
It doesn't matter how many arcs you dream up, any character joining after Wano would be an utter waste of time. They'd be hitching a ride on an emperor's crew (with 3 or 4 poneglyphs) having risked nothing for over 1000 chapters. It would completely trivialize the character. Since we entered the NW, Oda has shown that NN will not follow the same patterns he did before, so your "some NN will join on Elbaf" doesn't hold water. If Jinbe is any indication, a NN will appear with the SHs in multiple arcs before finally joining. Right now, that's basically Carrot (no, Kinemon, Law, and other characters like that don't apply). Part of this is because Oda has routinely split up the SHs in the NW, so any NN would have to be "around" the entire crew in order to even be acceptable and that means appearing in multiple arcs.
I like how you dismiss Kinemon as too similar to Zoro but somehow Carrot completely overlapping with Chopper in every single aspect is okay.
Why won't there be a new strawhat in Wano? if Oda's line about the next strawhats joining consecutively means anything then surely we'll have a minimum of two strawhats this arc
Mr Count had expained several times that thing about many people joining Luffy at once, was most likely referring to the Grand Fleet.
One moment, Vivi was there when Usopp made the Elbaf declaration.
Only some of the story post-TS has been leading up to Wano. Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, and Zou. Fishman Island led more into the Big Mom plot and the bigger lore picture.
But BM is going to Wano. So yes, FI and WCI have been leading up to Wano.
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I like how you dismiss Kinemon as too similar to Zoro but somehow Carrot completely overlapping with Chopper in every single aspect is okay.
If you redraw a Kinemon fight scene and a Zoro fight scene as sketches/stick figures, you would be really hard-pressed to tell them apart. If you redrew a Carrot fight scene and a Chopper fight scene, you can very easily tell them apart. They're not nearly as similar as you're making them out to be.
Kin'emon wouldn't be holding a sword with his mouth and Zoro Wouldn't be cutting explotions, still can tell them apart.
As expected, no ninja girl will join, since oda made it clear now that is just like Nami.
Kin'emon wouldn't be holding a sword with his mouth and Zoro Wouldn't be cutting explotions, still can tell them apart.
Zoro fights with one, or two swords about as often as he does with all three. And cutting explosions is really contextual.
So which one would be the one turning into a furry monster animal that uses physical attacks? And which one would be the one turning into a furry monster animal that uses physical attacks?
They have the same face, the same naive attitude, the same power set, are treating each other like brother and sister, and are even being sent on the same sidequest, AGAIN, while literally every other strawhat gets to do something unique, and Luffy even declared at the start of Zou that everyone on it was like Chopper. They are the same.
So which one would be the one turning into a furry monster animal that uses physical attacks? And which one would be the one turning into a furry monster animal that uses physical attacks?
Are you serious? Sulong and monster point are pretty much polar opposites. One is a strength/tank boost and the other is speed/dex boost. They function completely differently.
They have the same face,
They have the same upper lip. Chopper has a wider face, and their eyes and noses are different. I guess their eyebrows are the same too, but asside from Sanji and Brook, everyone has pretty much the same eyebrows on the crew.
the same naive attitude,
Not quite.
the same power set,
Chopper fights with teeth and claws? Chopper wields electricity? Chopper can double-jump?
are treating each other like brother and sister,
Zoro and Sanji treat each other the same too.
and are even being sent on the same sidequest, AGAIN, while literally every other strawhat gets to do something unique
The plan is to hide amongst the population. Carrot and Chopper can hardly do that can they? They can't pretend to be a corpse like Brook.
Are you serious? Sulong and monster point are pretty much polar opposites. One is a strength/tank boost and the other is speed/dex boost. They function completely differently.
Chopper has seven different forms. That do a wide variety of things.
They have the same upper lip. Chopper has a wider face, and their eyes and noses are different. I guess their eyebrows are the same too, but asside from Sanji and Brook, everyone has pretty much the same eyebrows on the crew.
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Thanks for posting them side by side. Same lips, same nose, same round eyes, same jawline, same framing around their face from hat/hair. The only difference is Carrot has girl highlights and eyelashes.
Not quite.
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Chopper at the start of the series was wide eyed, believed everything, and wants to see the world.
Carrot now is wide eyed, believes everything, and wants to see the world.
Chopper fights with teeth and claws? Chopper wields electricity? Chopper can double-jump?
We're talking stick figures here. If you can't tell Zoro and Kinemon's styles apart due to their variety and difference in designs, such as three sword style versus two sword, or the difference in techniques like use of explosions and fire cutting, you can't tell theirs apart from minor visual differences either.
And yes, Chopper can jump quite well, and fights with his hands.
And it's been previously debated at length that CHopper could learn from or be inspired by their techniques to do his own electric thing or create a new form,(and he has a history of creating new forms) but you refuse to consider the possibility of a shonen character upgrading after seeing someone else doing a technique, so there's no discussing that again.
Aside from that, Electricity is Nami's thing.
Zoro and Sanji treat each other the same too.
Like brother and sister
The plan is to hide amongst the population. Carrot and Chopper can hardly do that can they? They can't pretend to be a corpse like Brook.
Yes. And its still them sharing a plot path, AGAIN, doing the same thing and sharing all their screen time AGAIN rather than her bonding with anyone else in the crew. And… going off to meet with even more animal people with their same power set where they'll be even more the same!
Thanks for posting them side by side. Same lips, same nose, same round eyes, same jawline, same framing around their face from hat/hair. The only difference is Carrot has girl highlights and eyelashes.
Are you blind? The nose is different.
Round eyes. Lol no, every character drawn in a cutesy style has round eyes. The eye design is different, and it's funny that you don't mention that, because Chopper's eye design is very unique in the One Piece world. Carrot's is more standard.
Same jawline. It's normal when they have the same expression.
Same framing around their face from hat/hair. Lol what? Are you talking about their face structure? Chopper's is wider. Carrot's is rounder. You can tell with a glimpse.
If those are your only differences and you are not even pointing the obvious (hair, bunny ears) then I sure know you are not reliable.
Chopper at the start of the series was wide eyed, believed everything, and wants to see the world.
Carrot now is wide eyed, believes everything, and wants to see the world.
Chopper at the start of the series was easily scared and insecure. There go your terrible parallels ignoring basic character traits and differences. You are not doing a favor to your own cause cherrypicking stuff that is so easy to call you out on.
We're talking stick figures here. If you can't tell Zoro and Kinemon's styles apart due to their variety and difference in designs, such as three sword style versus two sword, or the difference in techniques like use of explosions and fire cutting, you can't tell theirs apart from minor visual differences either.
You are the one talking about how Carrot and Chopper have the same power set. Please do something with your lack of self-awareness.
And yes, Chopper can jump quite well, and fights with his hands.
For the bazillionth time, Chopper's Jumping Point doesn't exist post-timeskip, and even when it existed, it didn't work AT ALL like Carrot's jumping skills. If you call Zoro's and Kinemon's sword styles different and differentiable enough to the point they can't be compared, follow this logic and tell me when has Chopper ever backflipped or even used jumping to increase the impulse of an attack. He used it as an evasive tactic. That not taking into account that Carrot has shown to jump much higher and float mid-air.
You know who else fights with his hands? Luffy. And Franky. Both use punches. Frapper Gong was a thing. Heck, Franky was clearly doing a Gomu Gomu no Gatling Gun ripoff in Dressrosa. Shame on him.
Now, tell me about how Chopper fights with his claws or about how he combines fists and kicks like Carrot does. Or about Electrical Luna, actually about Carrot's attacks that release electro through her hands. You have plenty of stuff to explain here.
And it's been previously debated at length that CHopper could learn from or be inspired by their techniques to do his own electric thing or create a new form,(and he has a history of creating new forms) but you refuse to consider the possibility of a shonen character upgrading after seeing someone else doing a technique, so there's no discussing that again.
"It was previously debated at length" is not an argument. The reasoning behind was the dumb assumption that Chopper is or works like a Mink. If you don't have absolutely anything in the canon manga to back this up you are only entertaining a baseless speculation.
Also, when Chopper saw the Sulong form he asked if Inu and Neko could do it instead of wanting to learn it himself. I know his phrase about Inu and Neko is often used to say that Carrot's Sulong was only a hype tool, but it bugs me that two contradictory statements on Chopper's interest on Mink powers are held simultaneously because they both damage Carrot's chances. Please pick one and stick with the choice you make.
Aside from that, Electricity is Nami's thing.
And fire is… ouch. And blades are... aw. And fists are... agh. And projectiles are... ow.
This again. It never gets old.
Like brother and sister
Can't say I understand what are you two discussing about here. I don't get the difference it makes to the overall argument xD
Yes. And its still them sharing a plot path, AGAIN, doing the same thing and sharing all their screen time AGAIN rather than her bonding with anyone else in the crew. And… going off to meet with even more animal people with their same power set where they'll be even more the same!
We'll see how it goes, but yeah, it's a bit tiring and repetitive that they are always paired. Gotta give you that.
Truth…
Thanks. I was annoyed I was gonna have to say the same things over again. It's always the same arguments. Sometimes I think we're just being trolled.
Chopper has seven different forms. That do a wide variety of things.
Ok… So you've just completely abandoned your argument?
Thanks for posting them side by side. Same lips, same nose, same round eyes, same jawline, same framing around their face from hat/hair. The only difference is Carrot has girl highlights and eyelashes.
There are more physical differences between Chopper and Carrot than there are between Zoro and Sanji.
Chopper at the start of the series was wide eyed, believed everything, and wants to see the world.
Carrot now is wide eyed, believes everything, and wants to see the world.
I guess it's good that we aren't at the start of the series anymore.
We're talking stick figures here. If you can't tell Zoro and Kinemon's styles apart due to their variety and difference in designs, such as three sword style versus two sword, or the difference in techniques like use of explosions and fire cutting, you can't tell theirs apart from minor visual differences either.
And yes, Chopper can jump quite well, and fights with his hands.
And it's been previously debated at length that CHopper could learn from or be inspired by their techniques to do his own electric thing or create a new form,(and he has a history of creating new forms) but you refuse to consider the possibility of a shonen character upgrading after seeing someone else doing a technique, so there's no discussing that again.
Lol, so your argument is that their fighting styles are the same because Chopper will learn Carrot's moves in the future? Also, slashing with claws looks very different from punching.
Like brother and sister
I mentioned Zoro and Sanji because I thought you were saying two strawhats couldn't have a special relationship that they didn't have with the rest of the crew. And Zoro and Sanji being rivals fits that.
So what about them having a brother/sister relationship prevents Carrot form joining the crew?
Yes. And its still them sharing a plot path, AGAIN, doing the same thing and sharing all their screen time AGAIN rather than her bonding with anyone else in the crew. And… going off to meet with even more animal people with their same power set where they'll be even more the same!
We likely have a two week time-skip incoming, so I don't think that'll be as noticeable as you think.
I’m in the camp that says more SHs after the initial 10 + Luffy are definitely possible. I remember how easy it was for some people to dismiss anyone joining after the war and 3D2Y because of how much it affected the crew before bringing them back together.
That said, I have yet to see any Wano native that fits the bill. I’m giving Hiyori a chance because she’s literally a blank slate, but my hopes are not high for a princess. Shutenmaru turned out to be such a hard “no” that I had to laugh.
Shutenmaru turned out to be such a hard “no” that I had to laugh.
I chuckled about right at the part where he was getting ready to kill the grandma lol
thats all too ridiculous of a discussion, Zoro/Kin and Chopper/Carrot represent the same basic concept as character, a skilled swordman and a talking animal, discussing differences will lead nowhere because neither of them are the same character and obviously have noticable differences, I could make a ton from Kin starting from his eyes to his height that arent shared by Zoro but still 'skilled swordsman', claiming Carrot is I don't know 'blonde-haired' and Chopper isn't won't do as long as she remains a talking-animal shes blocked by Chopper.
Plus, things haven't been looking to good for her in the latest chapters, first she gets thrown in the Mink-faction, then, the Swirly-hats dissapear as a group and gets paired with Chopper and are sent to met Inu, who is a mink that is much more connected to the plot of Wano than anyone else, except for Neko.
Plus, things haven't been looking to good for her in the latest chapters, first she gets thrown in the Mink-faction, then, the Swirly-hats dissapear as a group and gets paired with Chopper and are sent to met Inu, who is a mink that is much more connected to the plot of Wano than anyone else, except for Neko.
She's been the only Mink with the Straw Hats, listening and reacting to Kinemon's story, as mentioned in last week's chapter.
Kinemon then conveniently gives her a new outfit along with the other Strawhats, further distinguishing her from the Musketeers.
Now she's been given her opportunity to go to Inuarashi and the others and finally inform them of Pedro's death, among other things.
Lastly, this chapter takes Shutenmaru out of the running, effectively leaving Hiyori as the only possible crewmate candidate left in this arc that's native to Wano. And until she actually appears, reinforces Carrot being the clear frontfunner for yet another arc.
While it's uncomfortable to genuinely consider the possibility of the last member not being present in Wano, I'd have to agree after this chapter that if it isn't Carrot, then it'll be someone else from a different arc/location.
thats all too ridiculous of a discussion, Zoro/Kin and Chopper/Carrot represent the same basic concept as character, a skilled swordman and a talking animal, discussing differences will lead nowhere because neither of them are the same character and obviously have noticable differences, I could make a ton from Kin starting from his eyes to his height that arent shared by Zoro but still 'skilled swordsman', claiming Carrot is I don't know 'blonde-haired' and Chopper isn't won't do as long as she remains a talking-animal shes blocked by Chopper.
Plus, things haven't been looking to good for her in the latest chapters, first she gets thrown in the Mink-faction, then, the Swirly-hats dissapear as a group and gets paired with Chopper and are sent to met Inu, who is a mink that is much more connected to the plot of Wano than anyone else, except for Neko.
I could agree with that if it didn't turn that Jinbe is a Straw Hat and a talking animal too. But yeah, better than parallels and similarities that don't apply, keep the reasoning simple and easy. If you don't want Carrot in the crew because Chopper is a furry talking animal as well, that is more comprehensible (if completely disagreeing on my part) than trying to bring dumb parallels and completely ignoring differences.
About Carrot being thrown in the Mink faction, I don't recall it happening since early 2016.
I could agree with that if it didn't turn that Jinbe is a Straw Hat and a talking animal too. But yeah, better than parallels and similarities that don't apply, keep the reasoning simple and easy. If you don't want Carrot in the crew because Chopper is a furry talking animal as well, that is more comprehensible (if completely disagreeing on my part) than trying to bring dumb parallels and completely ignoring differences.
About Carrot being thrown in the Mink faction, I don't recall it happening since early 2016.
its just as simple as anything against Kin'emon applies to Carrot, if comes to discussing differences I can talk a lot of Kin'emon from Zoro, and easily claim people ignoring the bunch of differences I would be pointing out, see? not hard at all. now, would that make Kin crewmate material?, not at all, because of the simplicity of what he represents.
Carrot was put in the Mink-faction recently in the alliance-paneling we just had.
and is on her way to meet a Mink who is actually related to Wano and Oden.
its just as simple as anything against Kin'emon applies to Carrot, if comes to discussing differences I can talk a lot of Kin'emon from Zoro, and easily claim people ignoring the bunch of differences I would be pointing out, see? not hard at all. now, would that make Kin crewmate material?, not at all, because of the simplicity of what he represents.
Carrot was put in the Mink-faction recently in the alliance-paneling we just had.
and is on her way to meet a Mink who is actually related to Wano and Oden.
I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I personally don't have anything against Kinemon regarding appearances, but rather, his narrative role as a retainer of the Kozuki clan. It's much easier to separate Carrot from the Mink tribe than to separate Kinemon from the Kozuki clan, and that's why I think it is more plausible. Now, Kinemon looking like or having similar powers to Zoro, I don't mind. If he blends well with the crew and there are not narrative drawbacks then why not. I actually had him as a candidate for a while.
Oh, on the Mink tribe thing you meant that… well I dunno xD. I thought you meant something that happened in the story.
Carrot supporters, excuse me if this is old but how do you guys take the absent of sob flashback..? Genuinely curious.
Carrot supporters, excuse me if this is old but how do you guys take the absent of sob flashback..? Genuinely curious.
I'm pretty chill about that
Seriously, though, I don't mind. If there is a flashback that connects to this it will be better but the character could join and have her flashback revealed later, if it's needed at all because the character has already had her sob moment.
Regardless of her joining or not, I do believe there's a lot about Carrot that hasn't been said yet. We are all here assuming that being trained directly by Sicilian and later by Pedro, and becoming a Ruler's Bird with Wanda is the normal and standard but it looks fishy to me. I wonder about her past and her connections in Wano.
I could agree with that if it didn't turn that Jinbe is a Straw Hat and a talking animal too. But yeah, better than parallels and similarities that don't apply, keep the reasoning simple and easy. If you don't want Carrot in the crew because Chopper is a furry talking animal as well, that is more comprehensible (if completely disagreeing on my part) than trying to bring dumb parallels and completely ignoring differences.
About Carrot being thrown in the Mink faction, I don't recall it happening since early 2016.
I wouldn't call Jimbei a talking animal since he doesn't look like a whale shark. He has properties of one. While the minks are basically their animals on 2 legs. But really both side should give it a break or fight on someone else. About every argument has been made and every new panel is just another way to go back to the same discussions.
I mean did Chopper and Carrot in carrot being together bring any discussion that wasn't already had on them being together on tottland? if Carrot gets on the boat and goes to the crow's nest will there any new argument that wasn't had before?
I wouldn't call Jimbei a talking animal since he doesn't look like a whale shark. He has properties of one. While the minks are basically their animals on 2 legs. But really both side should give it a break or fight on someone else. About every argument has been made and every new panel is just another way to go back to the same discussions.
I mean did Chopper and Carrot in carrot being together bring any discussion that wasn't already had on them being together on tottland? if Carrot gets on the boat and goes to the crow's nest will there any new argument that wasn't had before?
Technically, Carrot isn't a talking animal either. She is half animal half human in appearance, and I think Minks are considered a human race. So… yeah.
If you don't count fishmen as animals then you shouldn't count Minks because in-universe it's the same.
And I agree, arguments are quite repetitive. My position is the same as a while ago, the only possible plus or con I see is how she will handle her encounter with Inuarashi. We'll see then.
Technically, Carrot isn't a talking animal either. She is half animal half human in appearance, and I think Minks are considered a human race. So… yeah.
If you don't count fishmen as animals then you shouldn't count Minks because in-universe it's the same.
And I agree, arguments are quite repetitive. My position is the same as a while ago, the only possible plus or con I see is how she will handle her encounter with Inuarashi. We'll see then.
Bepo look physically like a polar. Neko looks physically like a cat. Pedro looks like a leopard. The minks looks like their animals. Similar concept of races but different execution.The long arms gets an extra articulation while the long legs just get longer legs. Similar concept of races but different execution.
And no I don't think Jimbei stand out more of his race(I actually find him fairly bland) than Carrot(she actually look less animalistic for some reason). But considering I consider Oda was lazy with the minks just being their animals where with Fishman it makes for interesting design I do insist on making their difference.
I figure Kinemon's like Igaram, Pell, or Chaka - his main duty is to protect Momonosuke, especially since Momonosuke's just a small child. With that in mind, I'd find it hard to believe that he (or Kiku, Raizou, or Kanjuro) would leave Wano.
With Carrot, I figure there's a handful of options for her after this arc, aside from joining the Straw Hats:
-staying in Zou (or Wano, if the rest of the Minks stay there), which wouldn't mesh with her desire to see the world
-starting a new Nox Pirates crew in honour of Pedro (even though she's a follower, not a leader - when she was teamed up with Chopper, Chopper was the one who took charge)
These options might work as a conclusion to her role in the story, but I'm not sure how well they fit with what we've seen so far of her character.
I don't know how likely it is that she'll join the crew, but between the lack of options that work and the lack of other reasons for including her in WCI/Wano (she's not there to motivate the crew to travel to a certain island, or provide exposition, or any of the other reasons why people travel with the Straw Hats), she seems like the best candidate that we've had since Fishman Island. I could easily see her on the Straw Hat crew, and at the very least, I can't see why she'd be ruled out entirely.
Carrot supporters, excuse me if this is old but how do you guys take the absent of sob flashback..? Genuinely curious.
The same way I feel about a lack of sob flashback for Jinbe. Oda isn't doing that anymore. We saw her lose her friend and mentor in real-time and it's going to shape her character for the rest of the series. Even now, she's going to find Inu. That conversation is going be important since it'll cover Pedro, his sacrifice, and his rationale.
…I don't think Robby has this. I mean it just...makes sense now, I guess.
Pedro looks like a leopard.
Jaguar.
Carrot supporters, excuse me if this is old but how do you guys take the absent of sob flashback..? Genuinely curious.
We had the flashback happen in real time. Pedro's death hit so many of the notes that other strawhats' flashbacks hit, i.e: a mentor who passes on their dream before dying. The only diference is that there wasn't a black border around the panels.
We're also likely to get some sort of historical flashback about "the dawn" in the future.
one StrawHat trait easily notable its their leadership capabilities, while some shown it to full degree like Luffy, Usopp or Franky, others do with less say, 'interest' but still capable of commanding over others, like Robin had a high rank with the Baroque Works and Soul King with his fandom.
so, arguing Carrot cannot bring back Nox Pirates 2.0 because she hasn't shown leadership capabilities and that she's unable to develop them it somehow equals to also not being able to join the main team of the series.
Even Chopper lead the children in PH and is now beloved by the minks, its a very common trait between SH's now that I think of it, pretty much Zoro is the only one I cannot recall taking charge over great amount of people but that may come soon with the Samurais being impressed with his skills.
Even Chopper lead the children in PH and is now beloved by the minks,
I'm not sure you quite grasp what leadership entails.
Also, who did Nami lead before joining the strawhats?
I'm not sure you quite grasp what leadership entails.
Also, who did Nami lead before joining the strawhats?
Nami is much like Usopp, she commands people whenever she feels like, they dont need to be a Captain like Jimbe or Gang leader like Franky, as long as they show it or develop it, claiming Carrot dont have any and cant become a leader of anything is pretty much disponing her as a possible crewmate
Guys, Carrot HAS to join. She has giant titties. And is rabbit. She has to. I say so.
It's funny, because Chopper took TWO YEARS to even show any signs of leadership. If that's how we are going Carrot is covered. Gotta take advantage of that similarity with Chopper, it actually makes her plausible xD
yeah but we go in circles again, if Carrot CAN acutally develop leadership, what really stops her from bringing back Nox 2.0??
claiming Carrot dont have any and cant become a leader of anything is pretty much disponing her as a possible crewmate
Those two things don't really have anything to do with each other. You can't say "all of the Straw Hats have to show their ability to lead others" only for about a third of the crew (at the very least) to be exceptions. The cases that you gave for Chopper happened about a decade and a half after he joined, Nami doesn't lead anyone outside of the crew, and Zoro doesn't lead anyone. Plus, Usopp's leadership skills prior to joining the crew consisted of a trio of nine-year-olds, and Sanji's leadership at the Baratie wasn't well-received among the staff.
yeah but we go in circles again, if Carrot CAN acutally develop leadership, what really stops her from bringing back Nox 2.0??
I don't think Carrot can become a leader RIGHT NOW, but maybe in the near future if something happens and it's explained… then okay. However Nox 2.0 doesn't make much sense to me, regardless of her having leadership skills or not. This has been discussed a lot here, my main issue is that the Nox Pirates had a purpose (finding Poneglyphs) that doesn't make sense for Carrot right now. If you want to entertain the possibility of her forming another different crew with different purposes, then okay. Nox 2.0 doesn't sound right.
Those two things don't really have anything to do with each other. You can't say "all of the Straw Hats have to show their ability to lead others" only for about a third of the crew (at the very least) to be exceptions. The cases that you gave for Chopper happened about a decade and a half after he joined, Nami doesn't lead anyone outside of the crew, and Zoro doesn't lead anyone. Plus, Usopp's leadership skills prior to joining the crew consisted of a trio of nine-year-olds.
But I'm not saying Carrot must show leadership quickly, I said leadership is a noticable trait between SH's and yes, Nami gets on it whenever is needed to, it actually shows more leadership than the actual first mate of the crew.
I said if people do not consider Carrot to have/or being capable to develop this very common trait between the crew, then she's not so possible at all.
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I don't think Carrot can become a leader RIGHT NOW, but maybe in the near future if something happens and it's explained… then okay. However Nox 2.0 doesn't make much sense to me, regardless of her having leadership skills or not. This has been discussed a lot here, my main issue is that the Nox Pirates had a purpose (finding Poneglyphs) that doesn't make sense for Carrot right now. If you want to entertain the possibility of her forming another different crew with different purposes, then okay. Nox 2.0 doesn't sound right.
it makes sense 100%, there is one Poneglyph no one knows the location of.
Yep, Monquito, and there's also Robin, who is the one that can interpret the Poneglyphs and she's in the Sunny. Why did finding Poneglyphs make sense for Pedro? Because he could take them to Zou and just wait that somebody would eventually use them. If Carrot ever finds a Poneglyph, she would need to catch up with the Straw Hats, because they are the ones who can make use of it.
But I'm not saying Carrot must show leadership quickly, I said leadership is a noticable trait between SH's and yes, Nami gets on it whenever is needed to, it actually shows more leadership than the actual first mate of the crew.
I said if people do not consider Carrot to have/or being capable to develop this very common trait between the crew, then she's not so possible at all.
The way that you're describing it makes it sound like a catch-22 - what you seem to be saying is that, if she has/develops leadership skills, then she "has" to start a new Nox Pirate crew, so she can't join the Straw Hats. Meanwhile, if she doesn't have/develop leadership skills, then she can't join the Straw Hats. There are other options, but you're not considering them.
Yep, Monquito, and there's also Robin, who is the one that can interpret the Poneglyphs and she's in the Sunny. Why did finding Poneglyphs make sense for Pedro? Because he could take them to Zou and just wait that somebody would eventually use them. If Carrot ever finds a Poneglyph, she would need to catch up with the Straw Hats, because they are the ones who can make use of it.
yes, catch up with them, just like the Grand Fleet will do one day as well.
it all fits perfectly.
yes, catch up with them, just like the Grand Fleet will do one day as well.
it all fits perfectly.
Eh… no? It would basically be a tag game. Pretty dumb if you ask me. Why don't you picture her as simply an ally who will appear when it's needed? It's way less complicated that way.
The way that you're describing it makes it sound like a catch-22 - if she has/develops leadership skills, then she has to start a new Nox Pirate crew, so she can't join the Straw Hats. If she doesn't have/develop leadership skills, then she can't join the Straw Hats. There are other options, but you're not considering them.
Nou, people said is not possible for her to bring back the Nox because she lacks leadership.
Then I said, you know leadership is kind of a common trait between SH's.
then all boils down to it, if not, then no crewmate at all, gargabe character, if yes, both Nox 2.0 and Crewmate are possible for her.
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Eh… no? It would basically be a tag game. Pretty dumb if you ask me. Why don't you picture her as simply an ally who will appear when it's needed? It's way less complicated that way.
Because that would be prettt much a Chimney or a Jonny and Yozaku, she had fair coverage to end up like them, but not enough to join the main team, putting there as equal to the other Captains of the Grand Fleet is a very much appreciated end to her, besides given she inherited Pedro's will(to find Poneglyphs), theres one missing, given that shes strong, charismatic, brave, had just gained experience in searching Poneglyphs. all she lacks is a ship and a crew, Minks are devoted to the SH's and I'm not sure what happened to Pedro's ship:ninja: