Bullseye was like the only good thing of the movie.
I liked the movie well enough. But Bullseye was definitely the best part.
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I would like to see Bullseye here, and Taskmaster in Iron Fist. But I found the fact that he's not sporting the red horn costume to be more jarring than anything, that pisses me off that he's downgraded after we waited all of season 1 for it, and all of season 2 for him to get his grappling hook.
That's another thing. It's also too soon for to go back to the old suit. DD has spent roughly 40-45% of his overall screen time in the Netflixverse in that black suit, so the "back to basics" approach doesn't feel as nostalgic as it should be.
But the more I think about it… What if Bullseye steals Daredevil's suit and repurposes it into his own costume while Matt gets a a copy or a new look? I could forgive the costume being lost for a twist as interesting as that, and their costumes have always been a similar style with different colors.
But it seems like Fisk is going to be operating more in the shadows, so maybe his primary presence won't be felt until season 4. He has to be extra careful now that he's already been on the inside and has lots of eyes on him.
This is possible. The Born Again comic book story doesn't even end with Kingpin being defeated. But many liberties can be taken.
Despite my gripes about Kingpin coming back too soon, holy hell this teaser gave me freaking chills. The marketing campaign for this season is unusually on point compared to the other shows.
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I actually haven't watched the trailer yet. It will give me expectations and I am not sure if I want them. But both Punisher and Fisk are all-time great and until they make a mistep I'll be fine with seeing them. that car scene is still in my mind.
Season 2 of Daredevil was the least interesting of the season 2 in my opinion. But season 1 is still my favorite(maybe Punisher is a challenge) and Defenders made me interested in Matt again. I hope he will not disappoint in this rocky season of Marvel series.
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New York Comic Con poster for Daredevil Season 3 showing Daredevil and Kingpin:
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I wonder if they can even call NYCC New York Comic Con anymore after the reason court trial dictating that no other convention besides San Diego Comic Con can use the name "Comic Con".
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I wonder if they can even call NYCC New York Comic Con anymore after the reason court trial dictating that no other convention besides San Diego Comic Con can use the name "Comic Con".
Well I'll stop being confused about what comic-con is. I'm never sure if new york or San diego is the real one.
Bit sad I saw the original costume before the show but happy to see Kingpin in a white costume. I hope he actually has it in the show and it's not just on the poster. He has earned it I think. give him a giant desk to sit at.
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That's another thing. It's also too soon for to go back to the old suit. DD has spent roughly 40-45% of his overall screen time in the Netflixverse in that black suit, so the "back to basics" approach doesn't feel as nostalgic as it should be.
But the more I think about it… What if Bullseye steals Daredevil's suit and repurposes it into his own costume while Matt gets a a copy or a new look? I could forgive the costume being lost for a twist as interesting as that, and their costumes have always been a similar style with different colors.
Ugh, don't remind me, have you seen this version of his costume in the comics?
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That's almost what I'd expect to see a copycat making the costume look like, not just to masquerade as him, but to mock him.This is possible. The Born Again comic book story doesn't even end with Kingpin being defeated. But many liberties can be taken.
He works better as the shadow villain anyway, letting others to his dirty work as puppets to his evil puppeteer. He already lost physically to DD once before, so it doesn't make sense for a direct confrontation anyway, especially now that he doesn't have his armorer to line his suits with protective material (although DD no longer has that either, stupidly enough). But Bullseye alone won't be enough, so maybe we'll have some crossover with
! Typhoid Mary since she's his enemy in the comics, and her Firestarter abilities will manifest at last after being teased in Iron Fist.
Despite my gripes about Kingpin coming back too soon, holy hell this teaser gave me freaking chills. The marketing campaign for this season is unusually on point compared to the other shows.
Well seeing Ultron's eyes shift into that scowl when he says "There are…no strings on ME." in the AoU trailer gave me chills, and that's not what we got, so we might be disappointed here too.
Also, any word on whether this will be 10 episodes only, like Iron Fist season 2?
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Ugh, don't remind me, have you seen this version of his costume in the comics?
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That's almost what I'd expect to see a copycat making the costume look like, not just to masquerade as him, but to mock him.Funny thing about that is this sort of happens in the comics… And they actually found a way to make the yellow costume look good.
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! His name's Ikari. Got experimented on to gain Daredevil's powers while maintaining his sight. The yellow in his suit is actually weaved from Jack Murdock's boxing robe to taunt Daredevil.He works better as the shadow villain anyway, letting others to his dirty work as puppets to his evil puppeteer. He already lost physically to DD once before, so it doesn't make sense for a direct confrontation anyway, especially now that he doesn't have his armorer to line his suits with protective material (although DD no longer has that either, stupidly enough). But Bullseye alone won't be enough, so maybe we'll have some crossover with
! Typhoid Mary since she's his enemy in the comics, and her Firestarter abilities will manifest at last after being teased in Iron Fist.
I agree about having another Daredevil v. Kingpin physical fight would be redundant. Although Luke Cage season 3 had Luke fight Bushmaster… what, four or five times? And Luke pretty much wins every match past the first one when Bushmaster doesn't cheat lol. Just Saiyan that I'm preparing myself for anything.
! Mary? …Maybe. I just hope we don't see Elektra again. Let her stay dead lol.
! I want to believe Mary's third personality will have fire powers, but I've lost nearly fall faith in Netflix budgets doing any flashy powers that go beyond strength, invulnerability, speed, jumping, mind control, and glowing fists. You know, all stuff done with bare minimum editing and only either requiring acting skills or advanced stats of what we can already do as human beings.
! ...All I want are new Daredevil villains on-screen, man. We've already seen Kingpin, the Hand, and Bullseye a bunch of times in media, whether it was good or not. Elektra and Punisher aren't even real villains although I like the philosophical debates and everything.
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! Give me the Owl.
Give me Typhoid Mary.
Give me Gladiator.
Give me Mr. Fear.
Give me Ikari.
Give me Muse.
Give me Jester.
Give me Matador.
Give me Coyote.
Hell, give Daredevil his own version of Electro since we all know Spidey isn't using him anytime soon. Electro is actually Daredevil's first issue villain.
I'll even take Stilt-Man and Leap-Frog as gag cameos.Well seeing Ultron's eyes shift into that scowl when he says "There are…no strings on ME." in the AoU trailer gave me chills, and that's not what we got, so we might be disappointed here too.
Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that reference was cringeworthy as hell. Way too on the nose. I've never really been into that "take a famous child-oriented song and nursery rhyme then make it sound dark" route, it always screams try hard for me. And it doesn't help how that got said in EVERY SINGLE TRAILER.
And I'm actually expecting Daredevil season 3 to underwhelm me. It's got much more going against it than for it in my opinion. But seeing Kingpin in the white suit with Vincent D'onofrio's line delivery is always going to get me pumped up, and the trailer music for Daredevil has always been on point. I still remember this tune for season one:
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Also, any word on whether this will be 10 episodes only, like Iron Fist season 2?
Most likely thirteen episodes given an episode order report about Daredevil Season 3 and Iron Fist Season 2 adding up to 23 episodes total. Do the math.
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Funny thing about that is this sort of happens in the comics… And they actually found a way to make the yellow costume look good.
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! His name's Ikari. Got experimented on to gain Daredevil's powers while maintaining his sight. The yellow in his suit is actually weaved from Jack Murdock's boxing robe to taunt Daredevil.That does look cool, but it's not his costume, it's someone else's, and if you're right about Bullseye masquerading in the costume and DD needs to get a new one, it's breaking continuity a bit if it looks like that. Although Ikari might be a good villain, I just don't get how anyone would know how DD's powers work if they're not Stick or the other Defenders, so someone duplicating his abilities but without losing sight might be unrealistic if they don't get how his work. They'd have to come up with a convoluted way for them to figure out he's a blind ninja.
I agree about having another Daredevil v. Kingpin physical fight would be redundant. Although Luke Cage season 3 had Luke fight Bushmaster… what, four or five times? And Luke pretty much wins every match past the first one when Bushmaster doesn't cheat lol. Just Saiyan that I'm preparing myself for anything.
Bushmaster couldn't match him and that's where his sneaky trickery came in, which made him more than just a dark opposite. Plus he wasn't even the real villain, it was always Black Mariah. They have to be creative with Luke Cage's enemies since he's so powerful, and it works.
! Mary? …Maybe. I just hope we don't see Elektra again. Let her stay dead lol.
! Agreed, Elektra wasn't a good villain for the Defenders.
! > I want to believe Mary's third personality will have fire powers, but I've lost nearly fall faith in Netflix budgets doing any flashy powers that go beyond strength, invulnerability, speed, jumping, mind control, and glowing fists. You know, all stuff done with bare minimum editing and only either requiring acting skills or advanced stats of what we can already do as human beings.
! They do explosions, especially in Luke Cage, so that might work in some minor ways if they give Typhoid Mary some pyrokinesis.
! > …All I want are new Daredevil villains on-screen, man. We've already seen Kingpin, the Hand, and Bullseye a bunch of times in media, whether it was good or not. Elektra and Punisher aren't even real villains although I like the philosophical debates and everything.http://media.comicbook.com/2018/03/10-best-daredevil-villains-cover-1096682.jpeg
Give me the Owl.
Give me Typhoid Mary.
Give me Gladiator.
Give me Mr. Fear.
Give me Ikari.
Give me Muse.
Give me Jester.
Give me Matador.
Give me Coyote.
Hell, give Daredevil his own version of Electro since we all know Spidey isn't using him anytime soon. Electro is actually Daredevil's first issue villain.
I'll even take Stilt-Man and Leap-Frog as gag cameos.They already did Owl, but he didn't have his powers and I doubt they're going to give someone flight in a a show like these. Same with Gladiator. I don't recognize half those other names so I'll have to do some wikipedia browsing, but yeah, I want more characters, especially ones who work well in tandem and would make team-ups (like in Luke Cage season 2 where Danny showed up) a necessity so we'll get more cameos.
Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that reference was cringeworthy as hell. Way too on the nose. I've never really been into that "take a famous child-oriented song and nursery rhyme then make it sound dark" route, it always screams try hard for me. And it doesn't help how that got said in EVERY SINGLE TRAILER.
I get it since we heard a lot of the rest of the song sung in the cutesy way, but that's why it was so unnerving at the end there where James Spader's voice comes in, dark and robotic, and made my blood run cold. I admit I wouldn't have gotten the reference without the rest of the song. But I like how they used it. It's just a disappointment that they didn't flesh out Ultron at all and he just went berserk for no discernible reason. He never even took any time to feel like he was wearing strings and become resentful enough to cast them off.
And I'm actually expecting Daredevil season 3 to underwhelm me. It's got much more going against it than for it in my opinion. But seeing Kingpin in the white suit with Vincent D'onofrio's line delivery is always going to get me pumped up, and the trailer music for Daredevil has always been on point. I still remember this tune for season one:
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I actually didn't much care for D'Onofrio's delivery in these, he always sounds like he's out of breath, rather than in better shape like his comic counterpart is contrary to his appearance. But I'm also prepared for disappointment here since both JJ and IF did not improve on their second seasons. I know DD and LC both maintained their quality by and large through their second seasons but I'm wondering if 3 will be the downfall for one or both.
Most likely thirteen episodes given an episode order report about Daredevil Season 3 and Iron Fist Season 2 adding up to 23 episodes total. Do the math.
I wonder why they cut Iron Fist season 2 short. It didn't really help its quality improve. If they're doing cutting, they should make it and Jessica Jones only 8 episodes per season like the Defenders. The filler in those only continually drags down the quality.
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That does look cool, but it's not his costume, it's someone else's, and if you're right about Bullseye masquerading in the costume and DD needs to get a new one, it's breaking continuity a bit if it looks like that.
Oh, I'm not saying Bullseye needs to wear a costume that looks anything like the yellow DD suit or Ikari's outfit lol. That was me responding to you saying the yellow suit looks like an abomination. Focusing on Bullseye wearing Daredevil's familiar red armor suit specifically, I'm saying that if you take the Netflix Daredevil armor, cut off the horns in exchange for a white bullseye insignia somewhere, and dye the whole thing black with maybe a little white… That's pretty much Bullseye's costume right there. Just look at them side by side:
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There was also this one time Norman Osborn made his own Dark Avengers team and hired Bullseye to be a dark version of Hawkeye. He wore Hawkeye's classic suit to a T with maybe slightly darker colors. So Bullseye stealing a hero's suit isn't too out of the ordinary…
Now I keep imagining a gag comic of a court trial where Daredevil sues Bullseye for theft and copyright infringement, thus hiring Matt Murdock as his lawyer. And he keeps finding stupid excuses to switch between Matt Murdock and Daredevil in a separate room between proceedings.
Although Ikari might be a good villain, I just don't get how anyone would know how DD's powers work if they're not Stick or the other Defenders, so someone duplicating his abilities but without losing sight might be unrealistic if they don't get how his work. They'd have to come up with a convoluted way for them to figure out he's a blind ninja.
Fisk learns Matt's identity like in the comics, uses his info network to find out how a blind man could fight so well, and then decides replicate Daredevil's creation by using his resources to make more radioactive chemicals and recreated context. It won't be too hard to dig through old newspaper articles a couple decades back at most and find a big headline saying "YOUNG BOY BLINDED BY CHEMICALS AFTER SAVING OLD MAN".
The only issue left for an Ikari adaptation is incorporating the ninja skills and aesthetic, but that can work if you have Gao come back and interact with Fisk again. She would offer her best leftover Hand soldiers for Fisk's Daredevil recreation experiments.
But I don't need Ikari to show up though. I only brought up his design as an example of a yellow Daredevil suit working. And this is just me, but I always had a fondness for the yellow costume. It's dumb, but I sort of like the quirkiness of not making a devil costume a cliche red.
Bushmaster couldn't match him and that's where his sneaky trickery came in, which made him more than just a dark opposite. Plus he wasn't even the real villain, it was always Black Mariah. They have to be creative with Luke Cage's enemies since he's so powerful, and it works.
Bushmaster only uses that magic dust or whatever once. We never get an explanation for what it is and we never see Luke Cage come up with a way to counter it. Every other time they fight, Luke just kicks his ass. If Bushmaster used more cheating techniques like that or found his own way to counter Luke's invulnerability, I wouldn't mind them fighting so often.
And even if Mariah is the real villain, having Luke and Bushmaster fight over and over again got old. Although I think the problem here is making that season thirteen whole episodes long. Instead of constantly pitting them into one-on-one fights, find other types of conflicts to spice things up. They briefly team up once, but that lasted only a few minutes.
All in all though, I am still glad Bushmaster didn't die. I liked his personality and family/Cage interactions.
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! > They do explosions, especially in Luke Cage, so that might work in some minor ways if they give Typhoid Mary some pyrokinesis.
! Maybe. But they were used very sparingly. I suppose they could maybe use a mix of simple pyrotechnic techniques and having a lot of Typhoid Mary's exploits be shown after the fact. Build up the mystery of her powers by leaving her victims charred with ash. Have Typhoid Mary be so horrifying that most of the season leaves her capabilities up to the imagination.They already did Owl, but he didn't have his powers and I doubt they're going to give someone flight in a a show like these. Same with Gladiator. I don't recognize half those other names so I'll have to do some wikipedia browsing, but yeah, I want more characters, especially ones who work well in tandem and would make team-ups (like in Luke Cage season 2 where Danny showed up) a necessity so we'll get more cameos.
I do not count that old man as the Owl in the slightest no matter what Marvel says. He mentioned in one scene that he has a son named Lee, probably Leland Owlsley Jr. Have Owlsley Jr. come to New York, put on some claws, and become a crime boss called the Owl and then I'll recognize him as the actual thing. Fisk getting dethroned leaves room for a power vacuum, so add that plus family vengeance drama and it all clicks.
Melvin Potter has not become the actual Gladiator yet. He's only a tailor that has made Daredevil's suit. Closest he's come to becoming Gladiator is throwing a buzz saw at Daredevil the first time they met under a misunderstanding. Have him put on a suit, throw buzz saws more than once (you can't tell me that sounds too stupid when Matt wears that red devil helmet and fights ninjas), have him be mentally ill or extorted into villain work so he can be sympathetic and maybe have a redemption arc, and THEN he'll be the Gladiator.
Also, Killgrave debuted as a Daredevil villain called the Purple Man. But I don't mind him being Jessica Jones' villain since Alias is the best story about him and they have more interesting chemistry.
Almost every one of those villains I've mentioned is not C-list at best, so I don't blame you for not knowing them. But that's exactly why they should show up instead of having Kingpin come back this soon, even if it's in the shadows.
I get it since we heard a lot of the rest of the song sung in the cutesy way, but that's why it was so unnerving at the end there where James Spader's voice comes in, dark and robotic, and made my blood run cold. I admit I wouldn't have gotten the reference without the rest of the song. But I like how they used it. It's just a disappointment that they didn't flesh out Ultron at all and he just went berserk for no discernible reason. He never even took any time to feel like he was wearing strings and become resentful enough to cast them off.
I can respect and understand that. But for me, Pinocchio is one of my first and favorite Disney films, so that also wasn't helping how on the nose try hard it sounded for me.
I agree about Ultron. And you know, if we had a couple scenes of the Ultron A.I. before going rogue, maybe we could have the MCU finally answer why most of the Avengers don't use any of Tony's tech to better themselves. Instead of simply not doing it for aesthetic reasons, they try to use Tony designed armor and weapons at the start of the film. Then Ultron goes rogue and makes all of Tony's tech malfunction or turn against them. Thus, most of the Avengers (sans Rhodey and Peter Parker because they're always tight with Tony) never use Stark's tech again as a subtle sign of their faltered trust in him. It'd be pretty poignant and answer that dumb question fans keep asking.
I actually didn't much care for D'Onofrio's delivery in these, he always sounds like he's out of breath, rather than in better shape like his comic counterpart is contrary to his appearance. But I'm also prepared for disappointment here since both JJ and IF did not improve on their second seasons. I know DD and LC both maintained their quality by and large through their second seasons but I'm wondering if 3 will be the downfall for one or both.
I totally get that. D'onofrio's Kingpin voice always sounds rather forced. Like he's pushing himself to be intimidating one change for his voice sounding stilted, artificial, and like you said, out of breath. But I don't mind it that much because of how this interpretation of Kingpin is more like a gorilla. Someone who's soft and noble on the inside but keeps getting provoked to intimidate and thrash his opponents when pushed. It's hammy, but in an endearing way. But that's the most I can justify it.
My favorite Kingpin voice of all time is still the one from the 90's Spider-Man animated series. And Tombstone from the Spectacular Spider-Man who was originally supposed to be Kingpin but couldn't be since FOX held the Daredevil rights at the time, so they completely reinvented Tombstone to be Kingpin 2.0.
I have no idea what they're going to do for Luke Cage season 3. They did mention taking inspiration from Daredevil: Shadowland where Daredevil gets possessed by a demon, takes over the Hand, becomes a murderer and fights a bunch of street level New York heroes plus Ghost Rider. But my question is how far they can go with Godfather Luke without making him irredeemable.
I wonder why they cut Iron Fist season 2 short. It didn't really help its quality improve. If they're doing cutting, they should make it and Jessica Jones only 8 episodes per season like the Defenders. The filler in those only continually drags down the quality.
It was a superficial way to build interest by looking like they were responding to complaints.
Completely agree on JJ. I like both seasons in spite of many flaws, but the filler in them is the worst because it only goes in circles.
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It is without a doubt that one famous daredevil villain it's obvious as hell. Regardless Season 2 of Daredevil looks to be hype.
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Fisk learns Matt's identity like in the comics, uses his info network to find out how a blind man could fight so well, and then decides replicate Daredevil's creation by using his resources to make more radioactive chemicals and recreated context. It won't be too hard to dig through old newspaper articles a couple decades back at most and find a big headline saying "YOUNG BOY BLINDED BY CHEMICALS AFTER SAVING OLD MAN".
I'm not sure if Karen's portrayal here is loose-lipped enough to let it go (yet) but we'll see, otherwise I don't know that any of their enemies are aware that the Daredevil is a blind man underneath (I don't remember the Defenders well so if Gao found out and didn't die, she might lead to the revelation to Fisk since they seemed to be close, at least closer than Nobu was with either of them even though he was also Hand. But yeah, I hope the Hand isn't completely gone so the standout characters can be used in conjunction with non-Hand enemies.
The only issue left for an Ikari adaptation is incorporating the ninja skills and aesthetic, but that can work if you have Gao come back and interact with Fisk again. She would offer her best leftover Hand soldiers for Fisk's Daredevil recreation experiments. But I don't need Ikari to show up though. I only brought up his design as an example of a yellow Daredevil suit working. And this is just me, but I always had a fondness for the yellow costume. It's dumb, but I sort of like the quirkiness of not making a devil costume a cliche red.
And that would be a perfect opponent since then Matt could take advantage of Ikari still having sight to use something that blinds him and, in spite of having the other senses, he's not used to it, which would give Matt an edge. But for someone who operates mostly at night, the darker red and black are much better than standout yellow, although for a blind guy you'd think he wouldn't realize if he was wearing something of a very loud color. They could play it for humor but it just doesn't work in the grittier, less cartoon-y TV universe compared to the comics. The yellow works for Iron Fist, though, I like it there.
Bushmaster only uses that magic dust or whatever once. We never get an explanation for what it is and we never see Luke Cage come up with a way to counter it. Every other time they fight, Luke just kicks his ass. If Bushmaster used more cheating techniques like that or found his own way to counter Luke's invulnerability, I wouldn't mind them fighting so often.
But he sucker-punches Luke the first time, so that was also sneaky. It's his style, so that's all I was getting at. Can't match his strength exactly, use some other means. I like how villains differ from the heroes, it's so trite when they are exact duplicates. Thor's the only one who doesn't have that happen, none of his enemies have exact analogues of his abilities (or exactly his level of strength).
And even if Mariah is the real villain, having Luke and Bushmaster fight over and over again got old. Although I think the problem here is making that season thirteen whole episodes long. Instead of constantly pitting them into one-on-one fights, find other types of conflicts to spice things up. They briefly team up once, but that lasted only a few minutes.
That was a weird dynamic, Mariah was almost using Bushmaster to do her dirty work until he started gunning for her directly, so it didn't exactly go the 'fight the henchmen to get to the leader' type situation even though it ended up kind of being like that in the end when Bushmaster buggered of and Mariah was the only one left standing. I did appreciate how that whole series of events differed from the norm, though, so I can't really complain. Luke Cage in particular is difficult to come up with good enemies to use, so one more powered person to take him on would probably have been better, like a bodyguard hired by Mariah who could stand up to Bushmaster and keep Luke Cage busy enough if Mariah ever needed to make a getaway.
All in all though, I am still glad Bushmaster didn't die. I liked his personality and family/Cage interactions.
Funny how very few of the Netflix villains die…Jessica Jones seems to be one of the few shows that explicitly kill their villains.
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Some Agents of Shield season 5 bloopers. Seems like a fun set.
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Ming-Na has the best laugh.
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I'm not sure if Karen's portrayal here is loose-lipped enough to let it go (yet) but we'll see, otherwise I don't know that any of their enemies are aware that the Daredevil is a blind man underneath (I don't remember the Defenders well so if Gao found out and didn't die, she might lead to the revelation to Fisk since they seemed to be close, at least closer than Nobu was with either of them even though he was also Hand. But yeah, I hope the Hand isn't completely gone so the standout characters can be used in conjunction with non-Hand enemies.
Well, we did get that glimpse about Karen hiding some sort of trauma about being in a car crash something if I'm correct. I expect that to be revealed this season and replace the porn star/drug addict downfall thing in Born Again, which in hindsight was really dumb and in poor taste. Depending on how that turns out, who knows? or in order to keep Karen redeemable, Kingpin figures out Daredevil's identity on his own. Which would be a bit less dramatic, but eh.
I hope the same thing about the Hand.
And that would be a perfect opponent since then Matt could take advantage of Ikari still having sight to use something that blinds him and, in spite of having the other senses, he's not used to it, which would give Matt an edge. But for someone who operates mostly at night, the darker red and black are much better than standout yellow, although for a blind guy you'd think he wouldn't realize if he was wearing something of a very loud color. They could play it for humor but it just doesn't work in the grittier, less cartoon-y TV universe compared to the comics. The yellow works for Iron Fist, though, I like it there.
Red and black are definitely better for a nighttime vigilante. But to be fair, back in Daredevil's early comics days, he was much more of a swashbuckling poor man's friendly neighborhood Spider-Man than a gritty grounded street level hero. The noir-esque tone didn't start until Frank Miller's run in the 80's and he debuted two decades earlier. His early comics have him swinging about in daytime all the time. So I can forgive the yellow as being a product of the times back then fumbling along into finding a unique consistent aesthetic.
Although Moon Knight wears freaking white while night patrolling because he's an obsessive vigilante with D.I.D. that WANTS criminals to see him coming. He sees it as building fear or likes the thrill or something, I guess.
But he sucker-punches Luke the first time, so that was also sneaky. It's his style, so that's all I was getting at. Can't match his strength exactly, use some other means. I like how villains differ from the heroes, it's so trite when they are exact duplicates. Thor's the only one who doesn't have that happen, none of his enemies have exact analogues of his abilities (or exactly his level of strength).
I get what you're saying. But I don't think my dissatisfaction comes from never seeing Luke overcome the trickery (correct me if I'm wrong). He loses the first two times because of it. But then it just disappears and Luke whoops Bushmaster all the time. So it feels randomly introduced and unresolved than a compellingly consistent element. Sort of like Luke's anger issues.
And yeah, when Bushmaster gets injured by the bomb and Danny points out how he's not bulletproof, I REALLY liked that.
I hate it whenever a villain has the exact same powers as the protagonist but is stronger just because. The fights look repetitive and the results depends solely on plot/psychological convenience. Reverse-Flash is the worst contender here, although I love his colors and silly backstory. Name's stupid though.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen an Anti-Thor before…
That was a weird dynamic, Mariah was almost using Bushmaster to do her dirty work until he started gunning for her directly, so it didn't exactly go the 'fight the henchmen to get to the leader' type situation even though it ended up kind of being like that in the end when Bushmaster buggered of and Mariah was the only one left standing. I did appreciate how that whole series of events differed from the norm, though, so I can't really complain. Luke Cage in particular is difficult to come up with good enemies to use, so one more powered person to take him on would probably have been better, like a bodyguard hired by Mariah who could stand up to Bushmaster and keep Luke Cage busy enough if Mariah ever needed to make a getaway.
I did like that dynamic where Luke kept protecting Mariah in a Batman/Joker way. Which the show runner cited as inspiration.
Luke Cage needs more psychological threats. I hope we don't get another super strength villain in season 3. Unless Diamondback returns with powers, ugh. We could always throw in some visual superpowers, but… Netflix budget.
Funny how very few of the Netflix villains die…Jessica Jones seems to be one of the few shows that explicitly kill their villains.
I like that dichotomy. Although Punisher could give Jessica a run for her money soon.
So my theory about Bullseye is 99% confirmed. I hope Bullseye comes back next season in his own outfit after debuting as Daredevil-Nega.
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Another Daredevil trailer, this one centering around Bullseye:
Looks pretty sweet! Interesting new footage, and it looks like they're gonna flesh Bullseye out like they did with Fisk in the first season, which is what made Fisk such a great villain. Pretty hyped for this release. -
It looks like Bullseye might be getting a tragic backstory. I don't know about that. I usually like tragic backstories, but I think Bullseye is one of the very few who does not need one. He's usually a sociopathic killer who has a ridiculous throwing talent and an obsession to defeat/terrorize Daredevil after losing to him. I don't mind changing up how two-dimensional that is, but I think Bullseye would work best as a villain that's sort of more humorous than the usual villain. In a sinister dark way. Like a toned down Joker.
But that's just me. I don't need sneering at rats and killing annoying old ladies like in the old Affleck Daredevil film, but when I think of Bullseye in action, I think of this scene from Daredevil season one:
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He better throw playing cards and something small like a paper clip or toothpick this season.
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My friend and I finally finished Iron Fist Season 2. Needless to say, better than Season 1: Things I didn't like about it or was at least very "meh" about:
! -While I suppose this makes sense to some degree considering that we changed showrunners between the two seasons, it's still pretty weird in hindsight to see that final scene in the first season, where 1. Davos and Joy were plotting to kill Danny, when they explicitly didn't want him dead throughout this season–or at least, Davos didn't for much of it before he went completely off the deep end. And 2. Madame Gao overhearing their plotting, which went literally nowhere considering she still hasn't been confirmed alive since the end of The Defenders.
-Basically whatever Joy's motive was during most of the season. When Joy said her "intentions don't really matter here, do they?" line to Ward, I was like "Um, yes, Joy, they do, like, a lot!" Her changing her mind and deciding to stop Davos was cool, I guess, but I'm pretty "meh" about her overall.
-Danny and Colleen breaking up at the end, wasn't a big fan of that. I could kinda understand because they clearly had some strain on their relationship throughout the season, but it didn't really feel that consistent. Like, there'd be tension, then it seemed like they'd gotten over that, and…it was just a weird roller coaster. Plus, I really like them as a couple. Though it was a comfort that it didn't feel like a permanent breakup, and more like a "taking a break to get ourselves together first" sort of deal.
-This one's more minor, but Ward's whole sideplot thing only marginally ended up amounting to anything since it didn't ever directly tie into the main plot, especially since his girlfriend broke up with him and decided to raise the baby on her own. Still, though, there's the argument that it kind of paralleled Danny's struggles with not knowing who he is and trying to find himself and the payoff being that he joins Danny on his journey, so it's not a big deal.
-While I mostly liked the ending okay, Danny apparently regaining chi/the Fist did seem random, so we'll have to find out how that happened, and how he and Colleen learned about channeling it through weapons.
! I'll also mention that I was actually fine with Colleen getting the Fist. There were some things about it that kinda felt "ehhh"--like the fact that she didn't train for it and earn it on the same level Danny did--but she's still a worthy holder of it who'll use it right, and she's such a badass that this just makes her cooler. And since Danny still got his chi back somehow, this doesn't have to change the layout/protag of the show since now they both have the power, and Colleen was always the deuteragonist to begin with. The stuff I did like or thought was cool:
! + Colleen was as awesome and kickass as ever, and now she has a Fist. I also liked Misty's presence there (and that she was more than just a cameo, she basically replaced Claire by being the third member of a trio with Danny and Colleen), and the forming friendship between them. Yay for the Daughters of the Dragon!- Similarly, after all the times Davos has verbally shit all over Colleen, it was super satisfying to see her get to kick his ass in the final fight. Especially since Danny still did get to fight him some in that battle, and already got to beat him in the previous episode, without the Fist, no less.
- Danny's continued development is nice. There are, naturally, still times where we all groan and are like "Ugh, come on, Danny!", but he gets better continuously, and he at least acknowledges his flaws and goes on his journey at the end to try to overcome them and improve.
- Mary/Walker was pretty cool. Alice Eve did excellently in playing her, and managed to make both personalities distinct, sympathetic, and reasonably fleshed out. Looking forward to more of her, and probably Bloody Mary at some point.
- Danny's and Ward's whole bromance was awesome. I was hoping we'd get to see them be closer this season once they made peace with each other, and was certainly not disappointed. I was straight-up grinning and flashing a thumbs-up at the screen when they decided to leave together at the end (though, yeah, not sure what's gonna happen with Rand Enterprises now, haha).Overall, I think I actually liked Iron Fist S2 more than the second seasons of both Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. There were times during both of them that I was pretty apathetic/almost bored, but the shorter season here meant that the pacing was better, so I was actually invested for most of it. Certainly the biggest season-to-season improvement so far.
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Iron Fist has been cancelled.
That's a shame. Guess season 1 tainted it too much. I liked season 2 better than Luke Cage s1 & s2. No more Ward :(
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Iron Fist was garbo anyway. Same as defenders, and lets be honest besides daredevil season 1 majority of marvel netflix is pure mediocrity.
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Too bad (can't believe I said that, but it's true). At least the show was trying to fix itself. But, there's always a possible Heroes for Hire series. Might be better this way. Have Connie and/or Danny team up with Luke Cage and Misty, throw in cameos from Ward, and make Typhoid Mary one of the villains. If they keep the episode count to ten or fewer episodes It'd be a hit.
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Iron Fist was garbo anyway. Same as defenders, and lets be honest besides daredevil season 1 majority of marvel netflix is pure mediocrity.
Hmmm…I'd argue Daredevil Season 2 and Punisher Season 1 are above Mediocrity, but I agree about the rest.
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Iron Fist season 2 was honestly the most bored I've ever been watching a Netflix MCU show.
I really wish they could've gotten their shit together and turned it into something great, but I totally understand it being cancelled.
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Iron Fist was garbo anyway. Same as defenders, and lets be honest besides daredevil season 1 majority of marvel netflix is pure mediocrity.
I think most of it is decent. The first seasons of Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Punisher are good.
Most of the rest are argued depending on the audience or expectation but are above mediocrity. Except of course if you going by the binary of you are either good or mediocre and no middle exist.
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I still think that Jessica Jones season 2 was the worst thing from any of the Netflix stuff. I would rather watch season 1 of Iron Fist again.
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I actually really enjoyed Iron Fist Season two and was interested to see where the plot would go from there, so I'm kind of bummed it has been canceled. But, even though season 2 was a huge improvement, it didn't really change my mind that they didn't really do Danny Rand right. Bad actor choice, bad writing choices that did get better but I don't think you can band aid it that much.
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There's a petition floating around to bring IF back for a season 3 lol.
3400 signatures so far. I kinda get what they mean though. The other shows got a season 3 despite not always having stellar reviews.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/10/14/marvel-fan-petition-iron-fist-season-3/
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The shows are all too slow and plodding, every season of every one. I'd agree with most of you that Daredevil Season 1 was still good, but I think the first half of Luke Cage season 1 is far and away the best Netflix Marvel has ever been. A heroes for Hire show could be really fun, so let's hope!
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Iron Fist took too long to prove itself and deserves the cancellation. The only thing I'm disappointed about is Ward's character arc and bonding with Danny getting wasted. Just the fact they still haven't made Danny wear the mask besides one flashback episode is proof enough that this show's creative direction was a mess that almost always takes a step forward before taking two steps back. Season 2 is better than season 1, but I still rank both seasons and the Defenders as the worst Netflix seasons easily.
Danny and Colleen can shine better in cameos or getting their own team-up shows anyway. But that all depends on if Daddy Disney is willing to let the Netflixverse prosper now that their streaming service is on the horizon.
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I still am baffled by the casting of someone who wasn't a trained martial artist as a superhero whose exact powers and gimmick is being really good at martial arts. Like, the fuck, Marvel?
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Agreed. Iron Fist should've been the definitive martial arts action series of the decade. That should've been the core of Iron Fist. If Disney decides to go that route they could make a Shang-Chi series.
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Seriously. Even Power Rangers had to sense to cast people who were trained in martial arts.
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I still think that Jessica Jones season 2 was the worst thing from any of the Netflix stuff. I would rather watch season 1 of Iron Fist again.
Agreed.
The shows are all too slow and plodding, every season of every one. I'd agree with most of you that Daredevil Season 1 was still good, but I think the first half of Luke Cage season 1 is far and away the best Netflix Marvel has ever been. A heroes for Hire show could be really fun, so let's hope!
At this point, HFH would be a hell of a lot more sensible than just having another Iron Fist season. Have him found the organization, recruit guys like Shang Chi, and go from there. Danny really does become the least interesting character of his own series most of the time, so letting the focus be off of him even more often is a good move.
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I still am baffled by the casting of someone who wasn't a trained martial artist as a superhero whose exact powers and gimmick is being really good at martial arts. Like, the fuck, Marvel?
That's why I maintain that, while he's still young (relative to the rest of the Defenders cast), Michael Angarano would have been a far better choice for Danny. The director for the Forbidden Kingdom was singing praises to the guy's dedication to practicing the arts for the production.
Agreed. Iron Fist should've been the definitive martial arts action series of the decade. That should've been the core of Iron Fist. If Disney decides to go that route they could make a Shang-Chi series.
I don't know about that, I mean, the Iron Fist gimmick kind of overshadows that concept, but I agree that Shang Chi would have been the critical addition for doing such a thing. I'm disappointed we didn't get him in season 1 and the best time to introduce him, season 2, was another missed opportunity.
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Marvel is going to be making some mini-TV series that will be streamed on Disney's new streaming service once that launches. These shows will be for secondary characters who haven't gotten their own movies. Loki and Scarlet Witch are two such characters for whom shows are definitely in the works. They'll be played in the shows by the same actors who play them in the movies. See here and here. There's also the possibility that Iron Fist will end up being picked up by/moved to this new streaming service, though it seems like this is just speculation for now:
https://theplaylist.net/iron-fist-marvel-disney-streaming-20181015/
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Marvel is going to be making some mini-TV series that will be streamed on Disney's new streaming service once that launches. These shows will be for secondary characters who haven't gotten their own movies. Loki and Scarlet Witch are two such characters for whom shows are definitely in the works. They'll be played in the shows by the same actors who play them in the movies. See here and here. There's also the possibility that Iron Fist will end up being picked up by/moved to this new streaming service, though it seems like this is just speculation for now:
https://theplaylist.net/iron-fist-marvel-disney-streaming-20181015/That just sounds so bizarre and impractical and beyond the capabilities of the budgets of such things.
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Good idea. No seasons, just a set story like a comic mini-series. Give Falcon a mini-series, or have a Nick Fury/Maria Hill/TV Shield reunion. Might be the only chance I'll get to see Shuri meet Luke Cage. Can't make a Hulk solo movie, Marvel? Do a mini-series.
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Personally I like the idea. I mean. I assume the budget would be in keeping the actors paid well. I don't think they'd go all in on special effects.
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Two more days…I can make it...I can make it...Daredevil season 3, don't you dare let me down.
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If only Marvel could take the inspirations between the "Marvel One shots" and find some middleground between them and the Netflix shows.
I mean outside of the entire Mandarin controversy, "All Hail the King" was great because of the set up of it, the context of how it was presented, and the surprise of it all. Imagine seeing just a few more segments of that story.
You don't need a big full cast ensemble, with a dozen plus episodes to tell a good story. I wish they could play in this universe in a less formulaic way to contribute to it.
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If only Marvel could take the inspirations between the "Marvel One shots" and find some middleground between them and the Netflix shows.
I mean outside of the entire Mandarin controversy, "All Hail the King" was great because of the set up of it, the context of how it was presented, and the surprise of it all. Imagine seeing just a few more segments of that story.
You don't need a big full cast ensemble, with a dozen plus episodes to tell a good story. I wish they could play in this universe in a less formulaic way to contribute to it.
But people are going to want spectacle so without the promise of at least AoS level SFX, they won't really go anywhere.
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Luke Cage was just canceled. Doh.
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Well…things ain't lookin' so hot for the MCU Netflixverse.
But man, that's one I actually did want to see a continuation of.
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With the WTF ending to Luke Cage S2….yeah I wanted some more answers.
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Make a Daughters of the Dragon show and have Godfather Cage be one of the antagonists. Danny can cameo or even be a main supporting character like Misty Knight in Iron Fist season two. Then have that spinoff show gets its own spinoff called Heroes for Hire.
But that might be giving Netflix and Marvel too much of the benefit of the doubt for common sense. Like expecting Danny to put on his mask for more than one flashback episode after two solo seasons and one crossover season.
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If they make a Heroes for Hire show, it'll be on Disney Play or Hulu.
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If they make a Heroes for Hire show, it'll be on Disney Pay
Sounds better given Disney's love for money.
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Iron Fist, understandable. Luke Cage, what? Something's going on behind the scenes. Either Disney trying the get its Marvel shows on its streaming service or… no, that's it. Question is whether Marvel will scoop up all their properties now or just take Danny and Luke for Heroes for Hire/Daughters of the Dragon.
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With all this Luke Cage and Iron Fist controversy I didn't realize Dare Devil season 3 was out.
Episode 1
! Oh man that was pretty boring. The last part with Nadeem pissed me off though because I felt bad for him. Also it's completely stupid that they know of his financial issues and are like. Sort it out. That's why he's asking for a raise you dipshits. Then they're like. Oh well you'll be risk if we put you up higher cause you'll be more likely to be tempted for bribes or whatever. Anywho. Go talk to this filthy rich businessman who's in prison and is shifty AF.
Episodes 2-5
! Awww.Yiiissss. Hallway fight scene lol. This episode was pretty good. I think it was 3? Maybe 4? Hard to remember when marathoning.
! I definitely don't like the route Matt is going. Also how do you expect Foggy to not tell Karen after you basically friend breakup with him? He has no reason not to.
! This is getting good with Poindexter's backstory. I love how they're showing Fisk reading through his files. -
Well, my friend and I binged the whole Daredevil S3 in just this weekend, haha. I thought it was awesome; hands-down the best MCU Netflix season released this year, and right up there with S1 for me as the best Netflix seasons overall. Definitely lived up to the (pretty high) hopes and expectations I had for it.
! My complaints about it are pretty mild:
-The beginning did feel rather slow-paced, like how it took until episode 3 for the first of Matt's friends to even find out about him being alive. But then again, I've been re-watching S1 lately, and things arguably started out just as slow there, with Fisk not even being introduced until the end of the third episode.
-There were some times where I felt like Matt's angst was a little bit too whiny, and his insistence at keeping his friends away from him got exasperating. Though I think Matt is sometimes intended as a character to skirt that line between justified and unsympathetic angst.
-Julie's death was so quick and anti-climactic that it took us a moment to even realize that that was actually her, and that she just died.
-That one random plotline where it turned out that Karen's boss had set her up on a blind date with his nephew, and they started having fun together. And then they found out Fisk got out of jail, Karen found out Matt was still alive, and that guy literally never appeared again and is never brought up again. What was the point?
-Speaking of dates, I was a little bummed that we didn't get more with Matt's and Karen's romantic plotline. I was kind of hoping we'd get more indication that they're on their way back to a relationship. At the same time, tho, I get it that Matt needed to reconcile his friendships with her and with Foggy first.
! Having said that, there were lots of things I loved–most of it, really--but some standouts:- Overall, I'm glad that this season gave so much focus to our main characters, where S2 felt like it was more building towards the spinoff and crossover. We finally got Karen's backstory, and with the one glaring exception of when she very stupidly told Fisk about killing Wesley, I found her more likable here. Foggy also got many chances to shine, as a lawyer, as a friend, and as a crusader for justice. And ultimately, I was very relieved that Matt didn't end up killing Fisk, since my concerns about it were the same as his friends': that it was something he wouldn't ever be able to come back from.
+That hallway fight in the jail was really awesome. It was like 15 minutes long; they outdid themselves.
+Once again, good villains this season, unlike S2, since we got Fisk back and also got Bullseye. I thought the latter's flashback in particular was good for fleshing him out and making him kind of sympathetic, while not too much so since we were frequently reminded that he's still a psychopath.
+Vanessa going all Lady Macbeth and proving that she's a worthy partner for Fisk (already implied back in the first season, but shown even more here). Shame she came back so late in the season and we didn't really get to see much of her in that role of "mob boss's complicit and active wife".
+Also ended up liking the resolution of the villains. I was pretty unsure of how they were gonna resolve Kingpin if they didn't kill him, since he knew Matt's secret and could just regain power in prison, but I think they managed to make it convincing that he'll go back to jail and the same thing won't just happen again, and the main trio will be safe (for now). And they kept Bullseye and are clearly gonna use him as a later villain, so hopefully that will work.
+Liked the overall ending, too. Makes me smile that Matt, Foggy, and Karen are going back into business together.
! So, yeah. Probably a lot more things about the season that I really liked and can't think of right now, but it was great. Looking forward to seeing what you all have to say about it.
- Overall, I'm glad that this season gave so much focus to our main characters, where S2 felt like it was more building towards the spinoff and crossover. We finally got Karen's backstory, and with the one glaring exception of when she very stupidly told Fisk about killing Wesley, I found her more likable here. Foggy also got many chances to shine, as a lawyer, as a friend, and as a crusader for justice. And ultimately, I was very relieved that Matt didn't end up killing Fisk, since my concerns about it were the same as his friends': that it was something he wouldn't ever be able to come back from.
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I have no idea what episode I'm on. But…
! I really like who I'm assuming is Bullseye. He's much more interesting than the version from years back. Although it's a low bar lol. So is Bullseye not a meta human or a mutant? Is he just on the cusp of being super human?
They seem to be doing some more fancy camera tricks with this season. It's really picked up steam after episode 5.
Episode 9
! Holy crap….That opening. I mean. I thought something would be shifty with her...But the shot made me jump.
