Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

K. Kira XXIII

Is it okay to talk about Fleet captains potential in this thread?

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I wonder if some of the Minks will decide to sail out to sea to help the Straw Hats like the fleet is doing. After they hear about Pedro's death, the Dawn and what Pedro said about the Straw Hats. Would any of them go out to sea and be an allied force, while the other Minks looks for a place to call home as it was already mentioned that they cannot keep living in Zou as it is not good for Zunisha.

I wonder whom could be the captain of this new crew that may even honor Pedro by calling themselves The Dawn Pirates. I do no think Cat and Dog could do it, they already sailed with Roger, it would have to be a new generation that carries on their will. Since Carrot is not a leader, I guess either Wanda or Sicilian. Most likely Wanda then. Unless they have two captains to keep the dual leadership the Minks already have. So, Wanda and Sicilian? Monkey mink as the lookout.

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I think the Three Eyed Tribe will also join the fleet.

Robby

I must have missed it. Which one is your description that doesn't use rabbit?

And not that it matters, but none of the traits you mention for Brook here are unique to him.

Please point out another character in the series that matches that description. I'm curious who I'm not thinking of.

Sugeeking

Name me another character with her height, name me another character wearing two gloves with retractable claws, name me another character who jumps this high. But hey, keep dodging. And that's removing personality traits like drawing Rose of Versailles style xD

Also, next time you want to talk about a combination of traits, don't single them out. Do you really think Brook is the only character with dark shades, with an afro or with that height? It's all of these together what make a unique character, not them separately.

Dylcor

Personality traits factor into it too, its not all about how they look.

Shift

@Monquito:

and that just really makes it worst.

you guys are on plain denial of the redundance of having two talking fur-animals, of her lack of uniqueness among the minks, of her jumping, electricity and even main colors being all already covered.
literally youre denying everything about Carrots existence and at the same time trying to convince others she has crewmate material?
thats really going nowhere.

Denial is a two-way street. How many people do you think denied Jinbe all through Fisman Island and even after it? You yourself are in denial about poor Pudding's poor chances.

@Dylcor:

You're right I did say I never felt the need to discuss it. I have discussed it, just not as much as members of this forum do and not the the extent that you do.

You do not have to feel sorry about being new, either to the forums or to this thread. We want you to have a good time in the discussions here and warm up at your own pace.

Dylcor

Oh for sure ! I'm not sorry at all, I just haven't been exposed to these types of discussions before and I didn't realize that what I have to say might have been heard many times before, so I get that it could be a little frustrating to hear the same points over and over again. I just need to get used to these discussions.

Kaptayn

@Dylcor:

Personality traits factor into it too, its not all about how they look.

Definitely, but Oda has always put great effort into making major characters look major, "iconic" I'd even say.
That is why Robby and Sugeeking are arguing about this. They both know that a character that doesn't stand out enough has zero chance of ever joining the crew.

(Welcome to AP, btw!)

theackwardstation

@Robby:

He said specifically he never felt like discussing the series before. That implies not being on another forum prior.

As for anyone else that might have been on other forums prior, AP is the first one that comes up if you search for "one Piece forum" or discussion, so it is more often than not the first place people come to when they are specifically fresh looking for a dedicated One Piece discussion . It's been around the longest, and takes the hardest stance on asking people to back up their crazy theories with actual evidence, and clamps down hardest on shitposting.

Yes, there are other OP forums. I visit several of them from time to time. The Podcast is great but not really a forum. New Pork City is invitation only and pretty dead as a result. Grandline is okay. Oro Jackson is a complete joke. OPforums is kind of a nonentity. The facebook pages are mostly people also in those other sites. There are also other Naruto forums, and video game boards, and so on that have subsections.

Time spent in them is not the same as time spent in this one, with its specific discussions, arguments, community, and back and forths. Consistently those sites take content from this one, and the spoilers and coverage provided by the guys here. And some things HAVE been debated and discussed here over and and and over again, there is a backlog and a track record where things have been hashed out many times over, with the same proof and counterpoints given many times until it reaches the actual proper backed up conclusion every time. It is a fair assumption to say that someone, who joined Arlong Park last month, has probably not seen the theories or debates in Arlong Park that go back two, three, ten years.

All things are not equal.

I agree with a lot of your opinions on the mentioned forums, but there are more. For example, english is not the only language in the internet… and each big country has at least 1 big OP community and then some smaller ones... and the arguments are all the same everywhere (perhaps with the exception of Japan, but I don't know).

Kdom

@Dylcor:

Oh for sure ! I'm not sorry at all, I just haven't been exposed to these types of discussions before and I didn't realize that what I have to say might have been heard many times before, so I get that it could be a little frustrating to hear the same points over and over again. I just need to get used to these discussions.

Honnestly it's the way all forums are. New members bring back discussions which have been discussed before. Even in the chapter threads, you have people who discuss things which have been discuss in the previous page like if they were the first to do it.
It's quite absurd a veteran forumer is annoyed by it.

AvocadoInTheRain

@Kaptayn:

Definitely, but Oda has always put great effort into making major characters look major,

The problem here, is that Carrot IS a major character. Even if she doesn't join the crew, she's a tagalong for 2 arcs and there's a very small number of characters in that club. Also she'll be an even more major character if she becomes a grand fleet captain. So all these complaints about her being too generic to be a major character are moot because Oda disagrees, since she already is a major character and that's the design he gave her.

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@Shift:

To Avocado, for the sake of civility, maybe you could try one of those alternative quoting methods when you rebut Robby from now on?

I will if the comment I'm replying to is close by (same page, lets say), but if the comment is farther away, I'm going to have to link it so people can follow the conversation. If not, there would be no telling if I took anything out of context.

Monquito

@Shift:

Denial is a two-way street. How many people do you think denied Jinbe all through Fisman Island and even after it?

a characters who did join and people who denied have zero effect with a character who will not.

Youurself are in denial about poor Pudding's poor chances.

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Im not.

Shift

@Monquito:

a characters who did join and people who denied have zero effect with a character who will not.

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I have no clue what you're saying here.

Im not.

You are, you and FelRes are blatant Puddingers. She's gone the way of all those gals you mentioned, out of the story, only promised a small bit of relevance near the end when Hancock and Rebecca and all the rest will also have bit parts to play.

Again, here's Oda's view of Carrot:

And here's his view of pwecious Puddin':

Now keep denying that, why don'tcha.

AvocadoInTheRain

@K.:

Is it okay to talk about Fleet captains potential in this thread?

It should, seeing as they're members of the greater strawhat fleet.

I wonder if some of the Minks will decide to sail out to sea to help the Straw Hats like the fleet is doing. After they hear about Pedro's death, the Dawn and what Pedro said about the Straw Hats. Would any of them go out to sea and be an allied force, while the other Minks looks for a place to call home as it was already mentioned that they cannot keep living in Zou as it is not good for Zunisha.

I wonder whom could be the captain of this new crew that may even honor Pedro by calling themselves The Dawn Pirates. I do no think Cat and Dog could do it, they already sailed with Roger, it would have to be a new generation that carries on their will. Since Carrot is not a leader, I guess either Wanda or Sicilian. Most likely Wanda then. Unless they have two captains to keep the dual leadership the Minks already have. So, Wanda and Sicilian? Monkey mink as the lookout.

My bet is on Pekoms. Everyone who's life was left in the balance when the strawhats escaped totland will probably come back into the story at the same time at some point in Wano. Pekoms was a previous member of the Nox pirates, so if there's anyone who has the experience necessary, its him. Also, he very likely lost an eye, so that would be a visual metaphor for him stepping into Pedro's shoes as captain of the nox pirates.

BattleFranky69

@Sugeeking:

Name me another character with her height,

How tall is she? Aren't Brook and Jimbei the other tallest characters? Franky's up there too, isn't he? There's at least two or three in that range, then.

name me another character wearing two gloves with retractable claws,

Apparently Blackbeard used to wear something similar and used it to give Shanks his scar. But if we're talking about slashy-slashy, both Zoro and Brook got that covered (and I still resent Brook for stepping on Zoro's toes with being a swordsman too.)

name me another character who jumps this high.

Luffy in Gear Mode, Brook, Sanji (who can jump even higher since he can fly), Chopper (Jumping Point). That was the easiest one. It's like the second-most ubiquitous ability the crew, has next to creating fire attacks.

But hey, keep dodging. And that's removing personality traits like drawing Rose of Versailles style xD

LOL, insert Rick and Morty reference for using esoteric references.

@AvocadoInTheRain:

The problem here, is that Carrot IS a major character. Even if she doesn't join the crew, she's a tagalong for 2 arcs and there's a very small number of characters in that club. Also she'll be an even more major character if she becomes a grand fleet captain. So all these complaints about her being too generic to be a major character are moot because Oda disagrees, since she already is a major character and that's the design he gave her.

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I will if the comment I'm replying to is close by (same page, lets say), but if the comment is farther away, I'm going to have to link it so people can follow the conversation. If not, there would be no telling if I took anything out of context.

Calling her a tagalong for 2 arcs is an exaggeration. She was a tagalong for the WCI arc. She was an ancillary character in Zou. She only graduated to tagalong once she stowed away.

Also has it yet been mentioned that Pedro blowing himself up is an exact duplicate of Hiruluk's demise that comprises Chopper's tragic backstory? How are we not doubling up on the furry thing, again? She might as well be his twin sister from another mister.

Monquito

@Shift:

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I have no clue what you're saying here.

because jinbe joined and people denie it, it gives zero help to the argument.
you're saying 'but people denied Jinbe' as if taking for guaranteed Carrot is joining and we're denying like other denied Jinbe.

You are, you and FelRes are blatant Puddingers. She's gone the way of all those gals you mentioned, out of the story, only promised a small bit of relevance near the end when Hancock and Rebecca and all the rest will also have bit parts to play

thats really just a perception of yours, I'm denying nothing concerning Pudding.

Again, here's Oda's view of Carrot:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/EjMpfUd.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/rmMmXWU.jpg[/qimg]

And here's his view of pwecious Puddin':

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/mSSXCkZ.jpg[/qimg]

Now keep denying that, why don'tcha.

a cover does not implies x character is joining.

Carrot completely lacks what is really requiered for a character to join, staring off with originality.

BattleFranky69

@Monquito:

because jinbe joined and people denie it, it gives zero help to the argument.
you're saying 'but people denied Jinbe' as if taking for guaranteed Carrot is joining and we're denying like other denied Jinbe.

thats really just a perception of yours, I'm denying nothing concerning Pudding.

a cover does not implies x character is joining.

Carrot completely lacks what is really requiered for a character to join, staring off with originality.

Anything that compares Jimbei and Carrot is utter bullcrap. Jimbei was a shoe-in from the microsecond they stepped out of Impel Down and he summoned those whale sharks. The icing on the cake was when he mentioned being a helmsman on their way to Marinford. Carrot has nothing whatsoever comparable to his feats or qualifications and it's insulting to the intellect hearing otherwise.

AvocadoInTheRain

@BattleFranky69:

How tall is she? Aren't Brook and Jimbei the other tallest characters? Franky's up there too, isn't he? There's at least two or three in that range, then.

It's not that she's tall, its that she's short. It's actually rare to see characters that are shorter than Luffy.

Apparently Blackbeard used to wear something similar and used it to give Shanks his scar. But if we're talking about slashy-slashy, both Zoro and Brook got that covered (and I still resent Brook for stepping on Zoro's toes with being a swordsman too.)

BB had Wolverine claws. Not at all the same as her fluffy gloves.

Luffy in Gear Mode, Brook, Sanji (who can jump even higher since he can fly), Chopper (Jumping Point). That was the easiest one. It's like the second-most ubiquitous ability the crew, has next to creating fire attacks.

I'm pretty sure her single jump was higher than any of those. Franky was impressed at least, and he's seen most of those other jumps.

Calling her a tagalong for 2 arcs is an exaggeration. She was a tagalong for the WCI arc. She was an ancillary character in Zou. She only graduated to tagalong once she stowed away.

I was more talking about Wano, since she's still going to be with the crew when they all get together again.

Also has it yet been mentioned that Pedro blowing himself up is an exact duplicate of Hiruluk's demise that comprises Chopper's tragic backstory? How are we not doubling up on the furry thing, again? She might as well be his twin sister from another mister.

The circumstances and context of those situations were completely different. That would be like saying Sanji can't join because Zeff also lost a limb like Shanks did. Or Jimbei can't join because Fisher Tiger was also shot like Bellemere was.

Monquito

@theackwardstation:

I agree with a lot of your opinions on the mentioned forums, but there are more. For example, english is not the only language in the internet… and each big country has at least 1 big OP community and then some smaller ones... and the arguments are all the same everywhere (perhaps with the exception of Japan, but I don't know).

its really very different from several countries/regions.

long ago I was on a Spanish forums where like 90% of them took Hancock as a given crewmate, while the very few of us whom believed otherwise were eaten alive.
tho I had massive feeling of satisfaction when Hancock stood behind in Sabaody.

one of the biggest problems in other forums is people taking the portayal of characters in the anime more relevant than the manga(tho I have the feeling some here do as well), is a really big issue and very dificult to make them understand those characters playing major roles in filler arcs mean zero things and add no valuable factors to discussions.

AvocadoInTheRain

@BattleFranky69:

Anything that compares Jimbei and Carrot is utter bullcrap. Jimbei was a shoe-in from the microsecond they stepped out of Impel Down and he summoned those whale sharks. The icing on the cake was when he mentioned being a helmsman on their way to Marinford. Carrot has nothing whatsoever comparable to his feats or qualifications and it's insulting to the intellect hearing otherwise.

Lol, don't talk like that was a done deal back then. You would have been in an extreme minority of opinion on this.

BattleFranky69

@AvocadoInTheRain:

It's not that she's tall, its that she's short. It's actually rare to see characters that are shorter than Luffy.

Chopper, then. The one person she's the most similar to on the crew and source of her utter redundancy.

BB had Wolverine claws. Not at all the same as her fluffy gloves.

'Kay. But like I said, we got slashy-slashy covered by plenty of folks on the crew.

I'm pretty sure her single jump was higher than any of those. Franky was impressed at least, and he's seen most of those other jumps.

Is it just that you don't realize how immaterial that is, or is there supposed to be more to it than you're explaining? BTW, Franky can boost his own ass higher than that with a Coup De Vent, so him being impressed by that doesn't make sense.

I was more talking about Wano, since she's still going to be with the crew when they all get together again.

Not necessarily, unless you consider Sanji's group a part of Dressrosa, which is stretching things if you take the proportion of how much Luffy's group did by comparison. At least until we see more later, but for now we haven't seen hide nor hair or her or any of the others on the ship since Luffy washed up. Feels like Oda's pulling yet another switcheroo with the active nakama for this arc. Really getting sick of that approach, I must say. It's the most annoying part of RPGs, too.

The circumstances and context of those situations were completely different. That would be like saying Sanji can't join because Zeff also lost a limb like Shanks did. Or Jimbei can't join because Fisher Tiger was also shot like Bellemere was.

Shanks losing his arm wasn't meaningful nor important in any way. It didn't stop him becoming a pirate, it wasn't any part of his identity, and nobody even remarks about it except Mihawk. Zeff's legs were his trademark, he was named after them, and losing one put his pirating career out of commission entirely. Not even remotely comparable. Both Hiruluk and Pedro were trying to protect and inspire their wards with their explosive finales, so those are indeed both parallels of one another.

Monquito

I do recall Hancock with a massive fan base while not even crickets made noice for Jinbe tho :/

BattleFranky69

@AvocadoInTheRain:

Lol, don't talk like that was a done deal back then. You would have been in an extreme minority of opinion on this.

But I defended it every damn time with every strong point he had going for him. He hit all the points Franky did when he was first a candidate and I saw that in Jimbei right away. I was also in the minority predicting how Katakuri would behave in regards to the interference by his sister in his fight with Luffy, where he evened things out (albeit in a more extreme fashion than I anticipated) but I smelled a trope coming from a mile away and got ridiculed for it and turned out to be right. Jimbei's was just WAY more obvious, but my hunches usually pay off.

AvocadoInTheRain

@BattleFranky69:

Chopper, then. The one person she's the most similar to on the crew and source of her utter redundancy.

Chopper is comically small. Carrot is still the size of a normal person, it just happens to be a size we don't see much in the manga. We actually see more comically small characters than we see normal people that are smaller than Luffy.

Not necessarily, unless you consider Sanji's group a part of Dressrosa, which is stretching things if you take the proportion of how much Luffy's group did by comparison. At least until we see more later, but for now we haven't seen hide nor hair or her or any of the others on the ship since Luffy washed up. Feels like Oda's pulling yet another switcheroo with the active nakama for this arc. Really getting sick of that approach, I must say. It's the most annoying part of RPGs, too.

This is the arc where they take an emperor head on. You really think half the crew is just going to disappear?

Shanks losing his arm wasn't meaningful nor important in any way. It didn't stop him becoming a pirate, it wasn't any part of his identity, and nobody even remarks about it except Mihawk. Zeff's legs were his trademark, he was named after them, and losing one put his pirating career out of commission entirely. Not even remotely comparable.

What is this nonsense that you're blithering on about? Shanks losing his arm is probably one of the most important events in the entire story. It's the climax of the main character's origin story. Its Luffy's uncle Ben. It doesn't matter if one got better, and the other retired, both events serve the same narative purpose for Luffy and Sanji.

Both Hiruluk and Pedro were trying to protect and inspire their wards with their explosive finales, so those are indeed both parallels of one another.

Hiriluk blew himself up to absolve Chopper of guilt (for having poisoned him) not to inspire him. Pedro did so because he believed that bringing about "the dawn" was more important than his life and was willing to sacrifice himself for that cause. Those two situations are completely different. The only similarity is that an explosion occurs.

Kdom

@BattleFranky69:

LOL, insert Rick and Morty reference for using esoteric references.

Are you really calling Rose of Versailles an esoteric reference ?

BattleFranky69

@AvocadoInTheRain:

Chopper is comically small. Carrot is still the size of a normal person, it just happens to be a size we don't see much in the manga. We actually see more comically small characters than we see normal people that are smaller than Luffy.

I fail to see the significance. I'm sensing a pattern here.

This is the arc where they take an emperor head on. You really think half the crew is just going to disappear?

They already did that, with half the crew (not to completion, but they replaced the crew with other allies which seems to be a recurring pattern since Dressrosa). Besides, we're talking about a guy that half the Supernovas have a boner for, and I've already made my prediction how that's going to shake out.

What is this nonsense that you're blithering on about? Shanks losing his arm is probably one of the most important events in the entire story. It's the climax of the main character's origin story. Its Luffy's uncle Ben. It doesn't matter if one got better, and the other retired, both events serve the same narative purpose for Luffy and Sanji.

Okay, let me explain that more slowly since you failed to grasp it. Shanks could have lost both arms, or a leg, or both legs, didn't matter worth a good goddamn. Zeff, on the other hand, lived for his famous kicks and retired after the loss. Pretty big slappin' difference there. Shanks could have just gotten huge toothmark scars in him to go with his shiner from Blackbeard, would have served the same purpose of shocking Luffy into staying home til he was grown. I could leave it at one lost a leg and one lost an arm but it goes deeper than that and I can't help that you're not understanding that.

Hiriluk blew himself up to absolve Chopper of guilt (for having poisoned him) not to inspire him. Pedro did so because he believed that bringing about "the dawn" was more important than his life and was willing to sacrifice himself for that cause. Those two situations are completely different. The only similarity is that an explosion occurs.

It served the exact same purpose, to not give up and carry on regardless of feelings of guilt or loss. For crying out loud, now who's nitpicking? I thought I was pedantic, but for hell's sake, man. They both passed on the torch, shall we agree on THAT at least? In that sense Shanks and Zeff DEFINITELY had differing goals for their respective wards. Shanks didn't want to be Pirate King while Luffy does, and saved him out of friendship. Zeff wanted to find All Blue and Sanji did too, but Zeff didn't know Sanji from a moldy potato at the bottom of the bag of food he gave him. Same loss of a limb, totally different motivations. Are we done yet?

@Kdom:

Are you really calling Rose of Versailles an esoteric reference ?

Never heard of it and don't give enough of a crap to look it up.

BobLoblaw

@Robby:

Robin has unique eyes and nose, and upon her introduction a unique haircut that wasn't really seen again until just now post timeskip, on top of a visually unique devil fruit, a mysterious introduction and an immediate bonding with the crew. Post timeskip Oda has made an effort to consistently give her shades to add another feature to her mix.

How are Robin's eyes unique when Robin face is a thing? You've never looked at Hancock or Viola and thought about Robin? Also, are you talking about her non-cannon blue eyes? Also, we're strictly talking about appearances, so DF talk is irrelevant. Just on it's face (pun intended), only Robin's nose is unique. Everything else has been swapped in and out on other characters.

Nami has a unique hair color that no one else in the series possesses, was the first major female in the series which was significant at the time, a tatoo, a permanent bracelet on her wrist and another bracelet with an orb on it, carries a magic weather making staff and now has a cloud she can fly around on.

I'm talking about physical appearance. Not anything that someone carries or wears. Just from a physical standpoint, she has orange hair and a tattoo. That's it. Plus, Nami-face is about as common as as new nakama candidate being mentioned in this thread. Again, from a purely physical design, the women in the crew are plain in comparison to any of the males. With that being the case, Carrot would be uniquely distinct from a physical standpoint among both of them.

You can't use "the other strawhats aren't that distinct, so its okay that Carrot isn't distinct" as an argument.

And you shouldn't compare the males in the crew to the females, nor should you include wearable items or DFs. You do that, and you have to start saying that Carrot's fighting style, eye color, gauntlets, and a whole bunch of other stuff make her unique, again, amongst the women.

theackwardstation

WCI had "modest" goals, that is, taking Sanji back and getting out. It's reasonable to have only half the crew there. In Wano we're going to defeat Kaidou and his crew, so all the Strawhats will be involved.

Dylcor

You do realize that shanks giving up his arm holds a way greater significance than shocking luffy a little bit, right? I mean, he did state that he bet it on the new generation. He didn't LOSE it, he GAVE IT UP. Those are way way way different.

AvocadoInTheRain

@BobLoblaw:

nor should you include wearable items or DFs.

He should be able to include clothing if the characters mear them all the time. Luffy's hat, for instance, is an integral part of his character design. Brook's DF is also always on and therefore integral to his design.

Dylcor

@AvocadoInTheRain:

He should be able to include clothing if the characters mear them all the time. Luffy's hat, for instance, is an integral part of his character design. Brook's DF is also always on and therefore integral to his design.

Luffy's design is pretty plain without the hat tbh… regular looking guy with a scar under his eye. Clothing should count,,, its not like we constantly see the characters without clothes on all the time.

Mike S

Personally, I am pro Carrot but I acknowledge that there are strong arguments for both sides.
Arguments that support Carrot joining the crew

Role/Position on the ship
Potential to inherit Pedro's will

One of the biggest things for me that Carrot has going for her is her potential as Lookout. She fills the position so well that I am suspicious of a red herring.

I have seen a few theories that put forth compelling evidence for Carrot's potential as the ship's Lookout and from what I gathered, Seeing seems to be a potential theme with Carrot's character.
• Carrot would like to see the world
• Her name is "Carrot". Now this may not hold much weight as carrots are the most popular food that bunnies/rabbits are known for but carrots are also associated with good eyesight.

I'm not sure if I have read this somewhere so this may be something that other theories have mentioned but as someone who would like to see the world, what better way to see the world than a Lookout? Also, bunnies rest during the day and are most active at dawn and dusk which should be valuable for a Lookout. *Side note: Lol This is a stretch but since the Strawhats are the crew to bring forth the "Dawn", wouldn't it be symbolic for Carrot - a bunny - to be active?

Arguments that do no support Carrot joining the crew

Lack of distinct features aside from those that come from being a bunny
Potentially overlaps with Chopper

Robby put forth a really compelling argument in regards to Carrot's design. Chopper is a reindeer with distinct features; Franky is a cyborg with distinct features; Brook is a skeleton with distinct features; Jinbei is a Fishman with distinct features. Carrot doesn't have distinct features other than those that come from being a bunny.

This argument certainly holds weight however, I'm not sure of the amount of weight that we should assign to this argument when we consider the designs of the other female members and the fact that female designs aren't one of Oda's strengths. Nami and Robin are relatively similar to a majority of female characters in One Piece. If you remove Carrot's bunny features, she becomes just as distinct as Nami and Robin when compared to other female characters.

There are credible arguments for both sides and neither completely makes or breaks Carrot's chances. At this point, I don't think either stance should be considered unreasonable.

Robby

@BobLoblaw:

How are Robin's eyes unique when Robin face is a thing? You've never looked at Hancock or Viola and thought about Robin?

Those characters came AFTER Robin. At the time she was introduced she was unique and an anomaly.

Oda's also gotten lazier about making her distinct over the years, and her timeskip haircut doesn't help matters, but at the time her eyes, nose and haircut were one of a kind. Plus the entire way she was introduced, style of dress, power and general enigma.

I'm talking about physical appearance. Not anything that someone carries or wears. J

Nami has NEVER taken off her bracelet since Nojiko gave it to her, not even in baths, and only switched out her compass when it got an upgrade in the new world. It is a permanent part of her design. And the other elements are things Oda has added over the years to make them stand out a little bit more that he consistently includes on them no matter what their outfit or hairstyle is now, like Luffy's hat, Zoro's earings, or Usopp's goggles..

The thing is, they were FIRST. That goes a long way. They were also introduced 21 and 18 years ago, when the series was younger and Oda hadn't refined his style or designs so much. Of course there's repeat after 20 years, hundreds of characters and thousands of drawings later, but they were FIRST. And they have the extra details now.

Shift

@Monquito:

because jinbe joined and people denie it, it gives zero help to the argument.
you're saying 'but people denied Jinbe' as if taking for guaranteed Carrot is joining and we're denying like other denied Jinbe.

Here are my exact words:

@Shift:

Look, I'm not saying that this proves Carrot will join.

None of my arguments with you have been to prove that Carrot is joining. It has all been to disprove your belief that Pudding is joining or, at the very least, to challenge your bizarre assertion that she is one of the only possible candidates.

thats really just a perception of yours, I'm denying nothing concerning Pudding.

Now here are your exact words: "its really just Bonney and Pudding atm, the rest dont even get to be in the pool."

If you still place Pudding's chances over people who are actually gonna be relevant for this next two-year-long arc, then yes, you are very much in denial.

a cover does not implies x character is joining.

Maybe not, but it can sure show who isn't joining, as it does for yellow, obscured Pudding.

Carrot completely lacks what is really requiered for a character to join, staring off with originality.

What's really required, for a start, is being in the same place as Luffy is and actually, y'know, being liked by him, both of which are traits Pudding is terribly lacking.

theackwardstation

@Monquito:

its really very different from several countries/regions.

long ago I was on a Spanish forums where like 90% of them took Hancock as a given crewmate, while the very few of us whom believed otherwise were eaten alive.
tho I had massive feeling of satisfaction when Hancock stood behind in Sabaody.

one of the biggest problems in other forums is people taking the portayal of characters in the anime more relevant than the manga(tho I have the feeling some here do as well), is a really big issue and very dificult to make them understand those characters playing major roles in filler arcs mean zero things and add no valuable factors to discussions.

Even if 90% of that forum had a particular (wrong) conviction, it doesn't mean that you didn't see many of the same arguments there being argued by a minority. You see, it's possible for a forum to have a bit of originality, but most ideas, notions and theories spread out.

The value of a forum is mostly enviromental: size, mood, friendships, preferences and organization.

AvocadoInTheRain

Carrot's opponent for this arc has been located:

BobLoblaw

@Robby:

Those characters came AFTER Robin. At the time she was introduced she was unique and an anomaly.

Oda's also gotten lazier about making her distinct over the years, and her timeskip haircut doesn't help matters, but at the time her eyes, nose and haircut were one of a kind. Plus the entire way she was introduced, style of dress, power and general enigma.

Yes, they came after her, but look at the other SHs and ask yourself how many other characters (save joke characters like Duval or the fake SHs) have had other characters take on some of their physical features. The point I was making was that the females in the crew are not that unique from an anatomical standpoint and they all definitely lack the flair present in the male characters from a design standpoint. That being said, Carrot lacking flair shouldn't be that surprising and she definitely shouldn't be compared to any males for the same reason Nami and Robin shouldn't.

Nami has NEVER taken off her bracelet since Nojiko gave it to her, not even in baths, and only switched out her compass when it got an upgrade in the new world. It is a permanent part of her design. And the other elements are things Oda has added over the years to make them stand out a little bit more that he consistently includes on them no matter what their outfit or hairstyle is now, like Luffy's hat, Zoro's earings, or Usopp's goggles..

Point taken, but even factoring in orange hair, tattoo, and bracelet, compare that to any of the males and count how many more unique physical traits they have than her. Now do the same with Robin. That's why I say the simple female designs Oda has should only be compared against each other.

The thing is, they were FIRST. That goes a long way. They were also introduced 21 and 18 years ago, when the series was younger and Oda hadn't refined his style or designs so much. Of course there's repeat after 20 years, hundreds of characters and thousands of drawings later, but they were FIRST. And they have the extra details now.

First sure, but we haven't seen any other bunny women up til this point and it's doubtful we see any going forward. That would still make her rather plainish Robin/Nami design unique.

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

I'm thinking this thief that was name dropped as Shuten Maru might be interesting. We haven't seen them yet though. I wonder if that name is a reference. OK it obviously is to some legend but which one?

Shift

@Long:

I'm thinking this thief that was name dropped as Shuten Maru might be interesting. We haven't seen them yet though. I wonder if that name is a reference. OK it obviously is to some legend but which one?

It's not exactly a name that rolls off the tongue like all the other members have had. Other than that, who knows?

Kdom

@BattleFranky69:

Never heard of it and don't give enough of a crap to look it up.

then please don't call on other when it's just your lack of curiosity and blatantly ignorance of the manga basics which is at fault

BigScaryBear

Shuten Maru could just be a shuten doji reference? In which case the character could be a yokai.

Shift

@BigScaryBear:

Shuten Maru could just be a shuten doji reference? In which case the character could be a yokai.

Reading up on it, it seems awful likely that Oolong's introduction in DB was a parody of that story.

Kishido

Shuten MARI will be a kunoichi… Mark my words <3

Robby

Rabbitbeard for crewmate.

Shutenmaru is going to be important because Oda's doing the name drop build up trick, but wait for at least a tiny bit more information than just a name before making calls folks.

ArmamentHero

@Robby:

Rabbitbeard for crewmate.

Shutenmaru is going to be important because Oda's doing the name drop build up trick, but wait for at least a tiny bit more information than just a name before making calls folks.

I'm not in, but isn't Shutenmaru a stealth character?

K. Kira XXIII

@AvocadoInTheRain:

It should, seeing as they're members of the greater strawhat fleet.

Yeah, I was just thinking it might benefit to have them separated, but at the same time, it could just open a can of worms with everyone and their mother being put as fleet captains. As we can see that happening with the next crew member.

My bet is on Pekoms. Everyone who's life was left in the balance when the strawhats escaped totland will probably come back into the story at the same time at some point in Wano. Pekoms was a previous member of the Nox pirates, so if there's anyone who has the experience necessary, its him. Also, he very likely lost an eye, so that would be a visual metaphor for him stepping into Pedro's shoes as captain of the nox pirates.

Right, Pekoms. I wonder if Big Mom will actually appear on Wano, and if so, when? Because depending on that, there are several ways that this can occur. Like she could show up like Kuma did in Thriller, or just show up right in the middle of the fight.

Anyways, concerning Pekoms, it might be possible he has lost both his eyes. If not, will he never transform into Sulong again? I think the fact that he mentioned that Pedro was the only one to reach him during that state, forces someone, with Pedro dead, to inherit that task, to keep Pekoms in check. Which also plays well with the already established dual leadership in Zou. I just find that the new Nox Pirates would have two leaders.

Sugeeking

@Robby:

Rabbitbeard for crewmate.

Now we are talking. Glad to be in the same boat for once.

Monquito

We all know more or less what Orochi represents and what role he'd be playing.
but Shuten Maru, a total mystery in the arc of 2+years, really really hope at least it doesn't have a Kanjuro/Raizo design.
it calls my attention strongly for some reason.

Sugeeking

Shuten Maru is just a name though. I'd wait at least to have a face before making the wildest takes ever. So far the only crewmate points it has is having a name, and that's a trait shared by over 600 characters in One Piece.

K. Kira XXIII

I hope he doesn't have a face.

That'd be insta-invite.

.access timeco.

He could have a henohenomoheji face and his different expressions would be shown by altering the letters that form his face.