While I don't like the reason sanji got the Bounty, I guess trying to kll a yonkou and escape from her land alive shows you have to be super strong. Some supernovas and warlords from pre ts had that 300m( even caribou had 200) and they will likely meet their end if they would try that. And while not mentioned, the vinsmoke name counts too, like how they know vinsmokes kids are superhumans, they could think sanji is too( since the world/ bird axe Morgans doesn't know he got out normal).
Bounties after Whole Cake Island? lets discuss!!!
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@.access:
I hope Urouge's current bounty also reflects him defeating Snack (so we could expect him to be +600)
Same with X Drake. Like many others, I'm assuming that he is Kaido's strongest subordinate after the three disasters(due to the the potential card theme of the Beast Pirates), so my guess is that he is worth something around 700-800 million.
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Same with X Drake. Like many others, I'm assuming that he is Kaido's strongest subordinate after the three disasters(due to the the potential card theme of the Beast Pirates), so my guess is that he is worth something around 700-800 million.
He's probably not Kaido's #4 subordinate, but he's definitely in the tier right below the calamities along with several other 10-themed people.
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Nailed it. About damn time Luffy got the 'spect he deserves. I really thought there was going to be more to it if his bounty decreased, like there was some kind of bait intended, but he's just being his usual dumb self, and what a great payoff it was. I was expecting something closer to 1B but hell, for someone now being called the Fifth Yonkou (or Gokou now, apparently; but that sounds a little too DBZ-ish I guess). Wonder what the other Yonkous' bounties are, especially Blackbeard.
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Same with X Drake. Like many others, I'm assuming that he is Kaido's strongest subordinate after the three disasters(due to the the potential card theme of the Beast Pirates), so my guess is that he is worth something around 700-800 million.
Since Doflamingo was the Joker, I believe he was the one right below the Calamities. Assuming his bounty was still active or was updated after he lost his Shichibukai title, I would bet he would be somewhere around 800 like Cracker.
So for Drake I would go 600~700.
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Since Doflamingo was the Joker, I believe he was the one right below the Calamities. Assuming his bounty was still active or was updated after he lost his Shichibukai title, I would bet he would be somewhere around 800 like Cracker.
So for Drake I would go 600~700.
I don't think Doflamingo counts in the hierarchy of Kaido's crew.
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I am really unsure what credit they gave Sanji for him to get to that number. Especially when the assassination failed. Bege had inside information and was instrumental to their escape, Jimbei is a big shot anyway but I am really unsure what made Sanji stand out to Morgans.
I am happy with Luffy new bounty.
Sanji was at the center of the wedding for any outside view that thinks everything was a plan to assassinate Big Mom from the beginning. He was a Vinsmoke (good story already) that infiltrated Big Mom's family to set everything in motion. Besides that, Sanji was clearly one of the strongest Strawhats around considering the others didn't do anything at the wedding combat-wise, so he was the one to hype other than Luffy and Jimbe.
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The last 2 times Sanji was issued a bounty it created some sort of plot point, more so than any other Straw Hat beyond Luffy. We got the issue with Duval, the "alive only" thing that lead to the Vinsmokes and Big Mom, and now we have Vinsmoke actually printed on his poster.
I've always wished someone would recognize Zeff in Sanji's fighting style leading to something cool but maybe now Sanji being fully outed to the world as Vinsmoke could bring up some interesting plot points in the future. More revenge I suppose? Maybe a little admiration from more comic strip lovers like Vito?
Would be interesting to see the reactions of people that have connections to the North Blue.
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Also now the world knows that Sanji is Judge's son, something Judge was very bitter and ashamed over. Any ideas how that could affect things in the future?Watch Sanji's next bounty mirror G66 with a 666,000,000B bounty.
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I guess I could buy being an renegate royal son give Sanji a decent bounty bump. That's already better than being at the wedding.
Watch Sanji's next bounty mirror G66 with a 666,000,000B bounty.
That's actually a really cool idea. Especially since Sanji has the devil leg(diable jambe in french).
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Only now I realized the 66 is probably because of their eyebrows.
Yeah, I'm in for his next bounty being that.
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On the lower end we've seen Commander bounties at 550,000,000B(Ace), 600,000,000B(Snack) with the highest end being at a billion or more with Jack and Katakuri.
I really want to see Sanji with that 666 bounty but it seems like if he has to go up against a King, Queen or Jack the 666 million would be kind of low unless its something of a team up. Maybe that makes sense because I imagine most of us assume the majority of the Kaidou battle will be Luffy/Law/Kidd/whoever VS Kaidou himself. By the end it will probably just come down to Kaidou and Luffy alone but of course before hand much of the credit would be shared.
Maybe for the first emperor take down, Jimbei, Zoro, Luffy, Sanji have to share the higher end opponents thus splitting the bounty increases instead of outright surpassing the opponents. Because of this the crew may be better prepared for clear 1on1's when they have potential/friendly fights with Big Mom or Shanks. Of course when its time for Black Beard those will be 100% definitive 1on1's.
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@ITaeyeon:
B 1,500,000,000.00 is SUPERB.
What were Sabo and Ace doing on their adventures. Lole.
Not anything as big as mobilizing a team to rival the Yonko and having a fleet of thousands in their back pocket.
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On the lower end we've seen Commander bounties at 550,000,000B(Ace), 600,000,000B(Snack) with the highest end being at a billion or more with Jack and Katakuri.
I really want to see Sanji with that 666 bounty but it seems like if he has to go up against a King, Queen or Jack the 666 million would be kind of low unless its something of a team up. Maybe that makes sense because I imagine most of us assume the majority of the Kaidou battle will be Luffy/Law/Kidd/whoever VS Kaidou himself. By the end it will probably just come down to Kaidou and Luffy alone but of course before hand much of the credit would be shared.
Maybe for the first emperor take down, Jimbei, Zoro, Luffy, Sanji have to share the higher end opponents thus splitting the bounty increases instead of outright surpassing the opponents. Because of this the crew may be better prepared for clear 1on1's when they have potential/friendly fights with Big Mom or Shanks. Of course when its time for Black Beard those will be 100% definitive 1on1's.
Since Wano will mark the first Emperor the SH will take down, I would love if the Calamities were defeated by them. But with all the Worst Generation gathered there and all the other big names, I think the chances of that happening are very small.
But assuming Oda allows the Monster Trio to fight the Calamities, I do think it is too early for them to go 1x1 seeing how Luffy barely managed to do that himself. So in my dreams I like to think it would be 2x1 with Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe being joined by Nami, Robin and Carrot in their fights. Obviously this would be too uniform to match the way Oda do his things, that would fit Kishimoto more…
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Sanji can get paired with another blonde cook, killer. And zoro has the swordmen samurais (raizou, kanjuro, kinemon) that fit to help him, jack and jimbe have some fishmen thing going on, so he could help the minks kings.
Anyway, Kid's cook is better rated then luffy's cook.:ninja:
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I have a hard time imagining Oda wouldn't give Zoro a proper 1 vs 1. He might lose lose 10 liters of blood in it but I definitely think he is getting a solo.
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I guess Zoro's next bounty will be over the billion then.
Considering that we will probably don't get anything before the end of Wano.Also, let's all notice that Sanji's bounty is higher than Hawkins and Bege's bounties (also Killer)
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I guess Zoro's next bounty will be over the billion then.
Considering that we will probably don't get anything before the end of Wano.Also, let's all notice that Sanji's bounty is higher than Hawkins and Bege's bounties (also Killer)
He could get a million and still be short of Luffy 600M. So sure why not?
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1 billion seems more like the final Bounty of a first mate in the top crews in the world, as in veterans like katakuri and jack. I could see all 3 , sanji, zoro, jimbe with 1 billion-ish, but more like at the end of the story.
Zoro's bounties follow luffy's bounties, so his next one after wano is more like 520 or 420 and will stop around 1 billion, since at 1,5 you are already considered 5th yonkou.
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@uniaka:
1 billion seems more like the final Bounty of a first mate in the top crews in the world, as in veterans like katakuri and jack. I could see all 3 , sanji, zoro, jimbe with 1 billion-ish, but more like at the end of the story.
Zoro's bounties follow luffy's bounties, so his next one after wano is more like 520 or 420 and will stop around 1 billion, since at 1,5 you are already considered 5th yonkou.
Logic doesn't… Why would bounty determine Yonkohood? the highest bounty is on Dragon and he's not a Yonko. Blackbeard had no bounty. Bounty has never determined yonkohood. So whyyyy??
Bounties after WCI has been revealed this topic has run it's course.
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What does this bring the crew's new total bounty to? Is it over 2 billion?
edit: NVM, I forgot how much all the others' bounties increased so it's over 3 billion. Holy crap.
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I have a hard time imagining Oda wouldn't give Zoro a proper 1 vs 1. He might lose lose 10 liters of blood in it but I definitely think he is getting a solo.
I'm sure he'll get a proper 1vs1 especially if its against the Shogun or something. I actually think a few Straw Hats will get multiple fights if this next arc is around 3ish years. I just think that the Calamaties will be taken on in team efforts much like the way Cracker and Jack were handled. I don't see Zoro, Sanji or Jimbei soloing Katakuri's equivalent just yet. Not with the way Luffy had to throw down with him and what it would potentially mean for the bounties.
Zoro and Sanji's bounty seem low to me now in regards of what they are capable of but I don't think they are in the 600-1 Billion range yet.
I just hope to high heaven when the Straw Hats do fight the Calamaties, if they have battle partners that it ends up something like Law/Luffy VS Doflamingo. It starts as a team effort and Law certainly contributed a lot but ultimately it was clear that only Luffy could finish that fight.
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It was hard to put a number down as there was no way to know, how much information Morgans would get, or his interpretation of that data. It is refreshing that after more than 900 chapters, Luffy gets the recognition, bounty-wise, that he deserves. I am sure that we have only seen Sanji's and Luffy's, but I am expecting all of them to have gotten somewhat of an increase. Just seems weird that at least the members that were in WCI did not get any sort of bump with Luffy being declared the 5th emperor.
However, with such an increase now, I find it hard to believe that he would increase it again after Wano. Mainly because I do not think Luffy will be given credit for Kaido's defeat.
This thread's title could be changed to encompass the rest of the series.
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However, with such an increase now, I find it hard to believe that he would increase it again after Wano. Mainly because I do not think Luffy will be given credit for Kaido's defeat.
What makes you think that?
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What makes you think that?
That sexy mug in your avatar.
I believe that Blackbeard will storm the Wano aftermath/party. There are several reasons for him to go there. And his statement: "it is too soon for you Straw Hat", makes me think so even more.
So if Blackbeard shows up after Kaido is defeated, forcing Luffy and the rest to escape, then Blackbeard might take the credit for it.
I have written the reasons in a couple of threads, but I can just write them again if you'd like.
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@K.:
That sexy mug in your avatar.
I believe that Blackbeard will storm the Wano aftermath/party. There are several reasons for him to go there. And his statement: "it is too soon for you Straw Hat", makes me think so even more.
So if Blackbeard shows up after Kaido is defeated, forcing Luffy and the rest to escape, then Blackbeard might take the credit for it.
I have written the reasons in a couple of threads, but I can just write them again if you'd like.
I think blackbeard would only go to Wano for some national treasure/prestigious DF/red poneglyph
why would he bother about Luffy?–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Luffy always gets a bounty higher than the opponent he defeats. He's 100% going to get over a billion for beating Kata
congratulation, you had a good guess lol
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I think blackbeard would only go to Wano for some national treasure/prestigious DF/red poneglyph
The war against Kaido will be full of devil fruit users, between the Whitebeard pirates, Kaido's crew the Straw Hats. Blackbeard has been to Wano with Whitebeard, and potentially met Oden. A poneglyph interest could also be a reason.
Blackbeard is known to be hunting devil fruit users. This should present a good opportunity.
why would he bother about Luffy?
To put it short: he is salty. His words from reading the news: "it is too soon" makes me think he will try to prove a point. After all everything Blackbeard had to do to be considered an emperor which included killing Whitebeard and stealing his power, obtaining Whitebeard's territory and defeat the remnant of the Whitebeard pirates in the Payback War. Here comes Luffy, crashes a wedding, beats a bunch of commanders and he is on the same stage as him.
Seeing what is being built up with Luffy being considered an emperor. Right now, Kaido and Luffy's confrontation will be regarded as two emperors clashing full on confrontation. If Kidd was able to deduce Luffy's and Law's target when they took out Doflamingo. Blackbeard can easily deduce that as well. Aokiji can be some sort of informant.
What we have known in the story is that the four emperors kept the balance from each other in a battle of territories. That no one would go on a full assault on another because then the other emperors would take the opportunity to attack the winner. Blackbeard will show us that scenario. A good opportunity to plunder.
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@K.:
The war against Kaido will be full of devil fruit users, between the Whitebeard pirates, Kaido's crew the Straw Hats. Blackbeard has been to Wano with Whitebeard, and potentially met Oden. A poneglyph interest could also be a reason.
Blackbeard is known to be hunting devil fruit users. This should present a good opportunity.
To put it short: he is salty. His words from reading the news: "it is too soon" makes me think he will try to prove a point. After all everything Blackbeard had to do to be considered an emperor which included killing Whitebeard and stealing his power, obtaining Whitebeard's territory and defeat the remnant of the Whitebeard pirates in the Payback War. Here comes Luffy, crashes a wedding, beats a bunch of commanders and he is on the same stage as him.
Seeing what is being built up with Luffy being considered an emperor. Right now, Kaido and Luffy's confrontation will be regarded as two emperors clashing full on confrontation. If Kidd was able to deduce Luffy's and Law's target when they took out Doflamingo. Blackbeard can easily deduce that as well. Aokiji can be some sort of informant.
What we have known in the story is that the four emperors kept the balance from each other in a battle of territories. That no one would go on a full assault on another because then the other emperors would take the opportunity to attack the winner. Blackbeard will show us that scenario. A good opportunity to plunder.
I agree with the devil fruits part but I think it would be out of character for him to just care for Luffy . He's focused on gaining power and doesn't bother to fight anyone that's outside of his missions (whether for power or recognition)
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I agree with the devil fruits part but I think it would be out of character for him to just care for Luffy . He's focused on gaining power and doesn't bother to fight anyone that's outside of his missions (whether for power or recognition)
It would not be just caring for Luffy, as Kaido would be part of the equation as well. Blackbeard is also a character that will get competitive about pies, like shown in Mock Town.
For me what fits the most is how opportunistic Blackbeard is, and it would seem out of character that if he figures whom Luffy's target is, he would not try to capitalize on it. I would also assume that in his calculations, he might not expect Luffy to beat Kaido, but has the trust that he will upset Kaido's power structure enough for it to be easier for Blackbeard to deal with.
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@K.:
It would not be just caring for Luffy, as Kaido would be part of the equation as well. Blackbeard is also a character that will get competitive about pies, like shown in Mock Town.
For me what fits the most is how opportunistic Blackbeard is, and it would seem out of character that if he figures whom Luffy's target is, he would not try to capitalize on it. I would also assume that in his calculations, he might not expect Luffy to beat Kaido, but has the trust that he will upset Kaido's power structure enough for it to be easier for Blackbeard to deal with.
being competitive doesn't mean he would attack every newcomer . Only thing he would go for Wano is to get the DF power from people there , but definitely not because he's thinking "luffy not ready for yonkou" . He didn't care about that
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being competitive doesn't mean he would attack every newcomer . Only thing he would go for Wano is to get the DF power from people there , but definitely not because he's thinking "luffy not ready for yonkou" . He didn't care about that
But he is competitive, and the news just elevated Luffy to his stature. This not every newcomer, this is one pirate that is being talked about as an equal to Blackbeard, the guy that couldn't handle having someone say the pie was good or not.
The fact that he commented on it, saying he was not ready, already shows some interest. If that interest leads him to figure out Luffy's plan, then it justbadds more reasons for his appearance in Wano.
I am not saying: Blackbeard sole reason to go to Wano is to take down Luffy. It is more of, Blackbeard's competitve nature has made him look at what Luffy is doing/planning, and because Luffy's target is Kaido, there is a lot to gain of storming that conflict.
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About time that dude got banned.
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So, since the Vinsmokes got booted out of the WG, it's a pretty good bet they also have bounties now, too, right?