Chapter 886 : This Ish The Way I Live
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Dat Pudding Nosebleed panel
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Good chapter, far better than last week. Pudding is funny, and Carrot was legit adorable in that picture of her.
And probably gonna go ape shit crazy with the full moon hint dropped.
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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So, this means Moon becomes minks crazy and irracional?Does it mean it is already a month since they left Zou ?
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What do you think about armament haki could evolve to some elemental attacks?
I mean, Electro from Minks, Fire from Sanji and Red Hawk from Luffy, Ice from Brook.
Yes, you maybe will say "is just a technique", but why not? maybe some kind of inherit elemental strenght in every being related with haki.Does it mean it is already a month since they left Zou ?
Not sure about One Piece World has same planetary system and rules xD
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According to this image, there are several moons, therefore entirely possible to have multiple full moons per month.
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And probably gonna go ape shit crazy with the full moon hint dropped.
Even Pedro might regenerate.
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Hope Luffy's abilities develop in a different direction. Luffy that knows what's going to happen seconds in advance is not Luffy any more. No more random decisions?
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You mean the same genie that Yonji slam to the ground in an instant?
Yonji who was said to be weaker than Sanji(Sanji and Yonji pretty much confirmed that) ? Also Sanji got pushed back by that same Genie when they clashed..
Circumstances is key word my dear fellow AP member. Without keeping them in mind you get different experience reading One Piece than I do.
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Yup, at first the Den Den Mushi reflected the person who was speaking, but now it seems the Den Den Mushi reflects the appearance of its owner. I think it changed at some point during this arc.
I think it's a mistake. Really makes no sense this way. Snails are supposed to be imitating the person the owner speaks to. Can't just switch the entire premise in one arc.
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Is it possible to own many den den mushi? If so, what is the issue with the owners giving away their den den mushi.
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I can't wait for Carrot to bloodbend.
How original is it to still have this in my signature 6 years later?
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I think it's a mistake. Really makes no sense this way. Snails are supposed to be imitating the person the owner speaks to. Can't just switch the entire premise in one arc.
I think there's a subtlety: in this chapter, neither Oven nor Bege are speaking directly to each other. Instead their snails are connected to a loudspeaker device, so they don't have a connected receiver whose appearance to imitate. In which case the snail might default to mimicking its owner's face.
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I think there's a subtlety: in this chapter, neither Oven nor Bege are speaking directly to each other. Instead their snails are connected to a loudspeaker device, so they don't have a connected receiver whose appearance to imitate. In which case the snail might default to mimicking its owner's face.
That explains Bege's snail, sure. Totally missed that speaker. But Oven gets a call from a henchman and the snail still looks like Oven. Unless Oven has a squad of henchmen with the same hairstyle, we're back at square one.
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Anyway, depends on what match capone gets, and sanji, we will see if oda plans to keep sanji under the 11 supernovas 4life. he is already close to ciller in bounty, but he is far from the other ones.
And I-m sure reiju is the one that will take on smoothie.
This chapter also confirms that luffy all type of haki shoudl be better then zoro-s and sanji, even if sbs said zoro specialises at coa, sanji at coo. why? it-s clear luffy gets the much harder enemies and has extreme battles, while zoro has fodders like monet, fishman guy or pica. and other haki has weakness as coa. and coc should also get better once you have extreme battle with another coc user? then we will see the next level of coc.
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I think you guys got things a little confused regarding the snails: they always mimic the expressions of the person on the other end, but are designed to look like the owner of the respective telesnail. Example:
At 00:15 you can see that Doflamingo has a telesnail that belonged to Law and just looks like Law, but it is mimicking Luffys expression as he is the one that is actually talking on the other end. So Oda didn't make a mistake in this chapter: it makes sense that a telesnail that belongs to Oven is designed to look like him. As he is talking to Bege, Oven's snail would then mimic Beges expressions, but I checked it and we never actually see the expression of the snail while the two are talking to each other.
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That doesn't mean much though, since breaking it down purely by arc completely ignores actual story arc length.
It doesn't count Jaya and Skypeia together, (which is 84)
It only counts Alabasta as Alabasta, instead of Baroque Works entire arc including Whisky Peak and Little Garden. (Aside from Vivi being there Drum is pretty seperate so it shouldn't be included)
Nor does it count Sabondy/Amazon Lilly/Impel Down/War/Aftermath even though those are absolutely super tied together.Oda does roughly 100 chapter 2 year arcs pretty regularly. they're just usually broken up by a couple stops and substories now. Dreserossa may be the longest time on a single location, but that reeeeeeally should have been split in half into a tournament island being one arc and the tontatta and toys being another.
I never said it meant much, though. It's a simple "statistical" objective observation of how long we've spent in this particular place. I'm still unsure of how to classify Jaya and Skypiea, since one doesn't really make sense without the other and in this sense could be considered a single arc. That doesn't really happen with Little Garden, for example, which, despite being directly linked to the Baroque Works plotline, could perfectly stand by itself as a standalone short arc. As could Sabaody and Amazon Lily, despite being sequentially linked into the War saga. Impel Down and Marineford are indeed very connected, but I feel the themes, stakes, and characters who participate in each are sufficiently different to look at them as separate arcs. The one I won't budge on is Water 7/Enies Lobby being a single arc. And if you are comparing lengths by saga instead of arc, then the "Donquixote saga", for example, would include the behemoth that is Dressrosa plus the middle to large Punk Hazard and clock in at nearly 150 chapters. And how would you connect the current arc to the larger Kaido storyline? Are PH and DR even a separate Donquixote saga or are they just part of the larger Kaido saga? Is Zou classified alongside Tottoland or with Wano? Could Fishman Island be classified along with Tottoland since they share Jinbe's joining, Pekoms, Tamago, Big Mom's threat (somewhat)…? Anyway, I just found it interesting how this arc is about to surpass Skypiea in length but doesn't really feel that way, at least to me and some others who commented on it. Maybe after getting through the dragging of PH+DR, anything now feels faster paced in comparison
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So luffy will surpass kata by COO. I hoped for sth else. It makes me wonder how in the earth are the non haki users straw hats supposed to do sth against Kaido officers? The gap in power between monster trio and the others is ridiculous.
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I think you guys got things a little confused regarding the snails: they always mimic the expressions of the person on the other end, but are designed to look like the owner of the respective telesnail. Example:
At 00:15 you can see that Doflamingo has a telesnail that belonged to Law and just looks like Law, but it is mimicking Luffys expression as he is the one that is actually talking on the other end. So Oda didn't make a mistake in this chapter: it makes sense that a telesnail that belongs to Oven is designed to look like him. As he is talking to Bege, Oven's snail would then mimic Beges expressions, but I checked it and we never actually see the expression of the snail while the two are talking to each other.
Anime took a little liberty, since we don't actually see the snail at the moment Luffy takes the mic in manga. Now whether it's sanctioned by Oda or not is a different matter.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/700/8There's this scene in chapter 746, where Robin realizes Zoro is calling before she hears his voice. If it was Zoro's custom snail which he gave to her or something, she wouldn't need to realize anything.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/746/19Considering all, for now, I have to presume it's a mistake. It's suspicious, however, that the presumed mistake appears in more than one panel. So if it isn't mistake, what's going on?
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I think you guys got things a little confused regarding the snails: they always mimic the expressions of the person on the other end, but are designed to look like the owner of the respective telesnail. Example:
At 00:15 you can see that Doflamingo has a telesnail that belonged to Law and just looks like Law, but it is mimicking Luffys expression as he is the one that is actually talking on the other end. So Oda didn't make a mistake in this chapter: it makes sense that a telesnail that belongs to Oven is designed to look like him. As he is talking to Bege, Oven's snail would then mimic Beges expressions, but I checked it and we never actually see the expression of the snail while the two are talking to each other.
I think that's the general idea, but there are cases it doesn't work. Like in chapter 547 when Jinbe and Luffy are using ID DDM and the one on Luffy's hand is clearly designed as Jinbe (the person talking through it) but it's impossible it was a ddm that belonged to him - he was arrested until minutes before, after all.
I suppose Oda just doesn't mind that too much, the official explanation is probably the one you gave (everyone has ddm designed after themselves and the ddm will just impersonate the expressions of the person talking through it), but often it just goes against that because Oda probably wants to draw a ddm looking like the person on the other side because it's funny that way.
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Yonji who was said to be weaker than Sanji(Sanji and Yonji pretty much confirmed that) ? Also Sanji got pushed back by that same Genie when they clashed..
Circumstances is key word my dear fellow AP member. Without keeping them in mind you get different experience reading One Piece than I do.
That's exactly my point, if he's that fast, why does he suck at fights? He could have the genie, and kick Daifuku several times in an instant. He has the abilities but he's very bad at fighting.
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That's exactly my point, if he's that fast, why does he suck at fights? He could have the genie, and kick Daifuku several times in an instant. He has the abilities but he's very bad at fighting.
He's not bad at fighting but oda keeps having him distracted, or surprised in the last 4 encounters he's had. Doflamingo he didnt know about the strings, judge and niji used human lives/blackmail against him and he was trying to get to his family when daifuku hit him. We need to see him unchained though
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That's exactly my point, if he's that fast, why does he suck at fights? He could have the genie, and kick Daifuku several times in an instant. He has the abilities but he's very bad at fighting.
In lore there is no reason, really. The author just haven't put him in a situation yet where it's made sense for him to have an all-out fight. This set up with Oven does seem promising, although it's implied that Sanji would destroy him. I would have liked it more if Oven were just instantly K.O'd. Would look good for Sanji.
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My apologies if this has been asked earlier, but I couldn't find an answer. JB's and MS's translations are quite different in some crucial points this time. In particular, Jinbe's small line when they're arriving at the harbor is translated really different, and I would love to know which is the accurate one, but I have no access to the raws so I have no way to confirm either. MS' says "Prepare for incoming fire! We've just escaped! Can't let them get us!" while JB's says "Ready the cannons!! It's boring… to just run away." Would anyone with access to the raws please check on which of the two translations is the accurate one? Or be willing to share the panel in Japanese so we can see?
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That's exactly my point, if he's that fast, why does he suck at fights? He could have the genie, and kick Daifuku several times in an instant. He has the abilities but he's very bad at fighting.
Yonji attacked the genie while it had captured Carrot and immediately escaped into Bege's castle afterwards. Daifuku was completely fine.
Daifuku moved to attack Sanji while Sanji had no time to fight because he needed to reach his family in seconds if he wanted to save them.
That's not the same situation at all.
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My apologies if this has been asked earlier, but I couldn't find an answer. JB's and MS's translations are quite different in some crucial points this time. In particular, Jinbe's small line when they're arriving at the harbor is translated really different, and I would love to know which is the accurate one, but I have no access to the raws so I have no way to confirm either. MS' says "Prepare for incoming fire! We've just escaped! Can't let them get us!" while JB's says "Ready the cannons!! It's boring… to just run away." Would anyone with access to the raws please check on which of the two translations is the accurate one? Or be willing to share the panel in Japanese so we can see?
It's safe to assume in an 80/20 way (JB/MS) that JB is the correct one here. I find the second line more interesting. Tried to find you some raws but to no avail. You could also just wait for the VIZ version, with Bellisario's comparison post.
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In lore there is no reason, really. The author just haven't put him in a situation yet where it's made sense for him to have an all-out fight. This set up with Oven does seem promising, although it's implied that Sanji would destroy him. I would have liked it more if Oven were just instantly K.O'd. Would look good for Sanji.
I don't think it was implied that way? Oven is one of the Big Mom Pirate's "monsters" just like Perospero after all, if Sanji knocks him out quickly then you get complaints from the other end about the Big Mom Pirates being too weak. I think Sanji could beat Daifuku or Oven one on one but it would take a real battle and wouldn't be a knock on his abilities.
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Agreed. Oven is, along with Daifuku, Katakuri's twin. He is one of the powerhouses of the Big Mom Pirates, right below the Sweet 3 generals, like Perospero (although I would argue Peros is stronger, since he is the firstborn, but Oda can prove me wrong later). It does seem though that Oven is being set up to confront Bege, maybe leaving Sanji to fight Daifuku and get revenge for his treatment of Pudding. That would give us 2 pretty interesting fights, along with full moon-powered-Carrot finishing off Perospero and Luffy finally overcoming Katakuri. If there are other Mom pirates I would like to see shine… I mean do SOMEthing this arc (although from Oda's track record I find very unlikely), they are Smoothie and Compote. Come on, Oda, one of the Sweet 3 and the first daughter of Big Mom (who may or may not be even older than Persopero, I'm not really sure)!
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So after looking at that astonishing color spread I have this increasing desire of having Sanji eat an armadillo zoan fruit. I'm perfectly aware that my wish is fanfiction but, Oh, the craziness it implies makes me drool from only thinking about it, which leads me to this question.
Will the straw-hats get a hold of at least 1 devil fruit throughout this series and will any of the non devil fruit users ever eat one?
I understand how extremely scarce and rare DFs can be, but One Piece having a recurring theme of being devil-fruit driven gets somehow stomped by the many devil-fruit users that have been presented against the bunch of the DF's that have been shown. Am I the only one with this impression?
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I don't think it was implied that way? Oven is one of the Big Mom Pirate's "monsters" just like Perospero after all, if Sanji knocks him out quickly then you get complaints from the other end about the Big Mom Pirates being too weak. I think Sanji could beat Daifuku or Oven one on one but it would take a real battle and wouldn't be a knock on his abilities.
On the one side, yes, it does seem like Oven is made up to be in the upper tier. But the way in which this scene played it, it seemed to indicate that Sanji is simply that much better: that he can get in, attack Oven and then get out before Pound even manages to land a blow, and without Oven noticing. To me, that speaks towards the idea of Sanji simply being that much better than Oven. Yeah, I agree that lots of people would certainly complain, but to be honest I wouldn't. Sanji being One Kick Man against one of the guys who's been sort of built to be a problem, is much cooler to me, than another long ass fight. Especially with a character like Oven, who don't seem all that interesting.
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He would also look better if he could kill Kaido by poking him, but that's not how strong he is.
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I liked how unconventional the altercation with Oven was. The square off between Luffy and Katakuri is more than enough, anymore background characters and strawhats fighting 1v1 would drag this further, another Dressrosa situation.
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Is it just me, or Chiffron a little unsympathetic here? You know when you participated in Bege's assassination attempt what it meant for you and your family, now you're surprised one of them is pissed?
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Anime took a little liberty, since we don't actually see the snail at the moment Luffy takes the mic in manga. Now whether it's sanctioned by Oda or not is a different matter.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/700/8There's this scene in chapter 746, where Robin realizes Zoro is calling before she hears his voice. If it was Zoro's custom snail which he gave to her or something, she wouldn't need to realize anything.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/746/19Considering all, for now, I have to presume it's a mistake. It's suspicious, however, that the presumed mistake appears in more than one panel. So if it isn't mistake, what's going on?
Indeed it is strange knowing Oda attention to details that he could the mistakes several chapters in a row. I’m a bit confused to he honest.
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Or tgey have a geocentric system and those are planets because i don’t recall having seen several moons in the sky at the same time so far
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Is it just me, or Chiffron a little unsympathetic here? You know when you participated in Bege's assassination attempt what it meant for you and your family, now you're surprised one of them is pissed?
Chiffon only screamed when she was hit and then stood her ground. It was the citizens around them who were appalled at Oven's actions - Chiffon definitely wasn't trying to play a sympathy card here
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I wonder why Oda didn't use a darkening effect or maybe any Haki at all when he struck Oven. The white clothes are a perfect opportunity to really highlight the use of it but maybe Oda's just waiting for some major final blow. Kind of like Zoro against Pica. We knew he could do it and he had done it, we just never saw it like that until the Pica finale.
Sereques, Sanji isn't bad at fights, lol. I think Strooger put it best
The author just haven't put him in a situation yet where it's made sense for him to have an all-out fight.
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Anyone else think that maybe the whole moon thing for carrot wont be as simple as just weremink? Im thinking it might have someone thing to do with an increase to their electro as well as strength, something like killuas godspeed
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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Anyone else think that maybe the whole moon thing for carrot wont be as simple as just weremink? Im thinking it might have someone thing to do with an increase to their electro as well as strength, something like killuas godspeed
Well it's Oda, and virtually everyone thinks it's going to be some weremink thing. So… yea, he'll probably subvert expectations somewhat since we've already thought of the obvious thing for him to do. That said, I thought the whole weremink strongly implied that they'd gain an increase in strength and speed anyhow, though a boost to Electro sounds interesting.
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Anime took a little liberty, since we don't actually see the snail at the moment Luffy takes the mic in manga. Now whether it's sanctioned by Oda or not is a different matter.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/700/8There's this scene in chapter 746, where Robin realizes Zoro is calling before she hears his voice. If it was Zoro's custom snail which he gave to her or something, she wouldn't need to realize anything.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/746/19True, I was a bit in a hurry, so I used a scene from the anime instead of the manga, even though that may of course differ from the source material or simply get something wrong. I've could have sworn I've seen something like that (a snail that is designed after the owner and mimics the caller) before in the manga, too. As for the scene of chapter 746, that only works as an argument if you assume that all of the Strawhats naturally have snails designed after them. But I don't think that we have ever seen anything like that in the series. Of course, we don't have an explanation why exactly some telesnails look like their owners and others don't. Maybe you have to bring them to a shop to have them designed after you, who knows :D If something like that were the case, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that the Strawhats simply don't own any snails that have their individual designs.
Considering all, for now, I have to presume it's a mistake. It's suspicious, however, that the presumed mistake appears in more than one panel. So if it isn't mistake, what's going on?
Easy: it isn't a mistake
I don't see any reason to presume that, really. It doesn't even make sense how a telesnail would be able to change its whole appearance in a split second to look like the speaker on the other end. It would have to grow a hat that looks like Laws to look like him or glasses like Doflamingo when he is the one that is talking. Or in this case, it would have to grow hair that looks like Ovens just for this specific moment. Nah, that doesn't make much sense. It is much easier to assume that these snails have a set design and just change their expressions to mimic the person on the other end.I think that's the general idea, but there are cases it doesn't work. Like in chapter 547 when Jinbe and Luffy are using ID DDM and the one on Luffy's hand is clearly designed as Jinbe (the person talking through it) but it's impossible it was a ddm that belonged to him - he was arrested until minutes before, after all.
I suppose Oda just doesn't mind that too much, the official explanation is probably the one you gave (everyone has ddm designed after themselves and the ddm will just impersonate the expressions of the person talking through it), but often it just goes against that because Oda probably wants to draw a ddm looking like the person on the other side because it's funny that way.
Good point, I agree with your explanation. That's just Oda ignoring logic and consistency for a quick gag.
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Just sayin, but if Observation reads the flow of time, Conqueror can perfectly bend space and destroy opponents from the inside, and it would be ok because you go stronger with stronger opponents, and Teach does that xDDD
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Very solid chapter. I liked how Sanji stealthed and gave a good kick to Oven. I liked Pound coming in to save his daughter. I was hoping to see him kick Oven's ass, oh well. I can tell Pudding is good enough to follow Sanji's movements to be so awe-struck. It makes sense for Oven to go into this direction, nice surprise. I really like Sanji's disguise, kind of funny. Doesn't give him exposure, but he doesn't need that right now, and he shows excellence while doing what needs to be done to fulfill a great task. I like it. Hahaha, bege shooting Oven was niceee, and I liked his quote to Pez. I like Luffy mentioning that he should fight Kata at his strongest. I like that moment with Raleigh is brought up to emphasize that. Very solid chapter with plenty of build up and that is why I am totally fine with having ok chapters because they build up to great moments like this chapter. Good good good oh yes.
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Luffy that knows what's going to happen seconds in advance is not Luffy any more.
I'm totally fine with this. It won't change his personality. It'll help him dodge attacks more. Seems more like growth to me.
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The Luffy decision is going to be controversial to some, mostly because it is a very Goku-esque decision–choosing to fight the strongest dudes in order to surpass them. However, this IS something Goku has done in the past and he has declared "I WILL SURPASS YOU!" at least a few times in the past. Again, realizing he needs to treat fights like training. The only difference here is that it is haki he is planning to hone. This itself may be a good development because we may finally get concrete answers on each type of haki and how it works.
I really like that decision. We have to have Luffy train or practice in some form or another. This helps him 'train' for Wano instead of having a training montage to improve. Although I would think he is gaining practice by fighting anyway even if he hadn't said that.
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True, I was a bit in a hurry, so I used a scene from the anime instead of the manga, even though that may of course differ from the source material or simply get something wrong. I've could have sworn I've seen something like that (a snail that is designed after the owner and mimics the caller) before in the manga, too. As for the scene of chapter 746, that only works as an argument if you assume that all of the Strawhats naturally have snails designed after them. But I don't think that we have ever seen anything like that in the series. Of course, we don't have an explanation why exactly some telesnails look like their owners and others don't. Maybe you have to bring them to a shop to have them designed after you, who knows :D If something like that were the case, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that the Strawhats simply don't own any snails that have their individual designs.
Easy: it isn't a mistake
I don't see any reason to presume that, really. It doesn't even make sense how a telesnail would be able to change its whole appearance in a split second to look like the speaker on the other end. It would have to grow a hat that looks like Laws to look like him or glasses like Doflamingo when he is the one that is talking. Or in this case, it would have to grow hair that looks like Ovens just for this specific moment. Nah, that doesn't make much sense. It is much easier to assume that these snails have a set design and just change their expressions to mimic the person on the other end.Good point, I agree with your explanation. That's just Oda ignoring logic and consistency for a quick gag.
I'm not the one who assumed people have personalized snails. The evidence contradicts that, really.
So let me get this straight. It makes sense that there are snails that can transfer other people's voices through their snail vocal chords telepathically, but it makes no sense that they can slightly alter their physical form to correspond to the person they are imitating. Btw, how come Luffy's clothes stretch and Buggy's clothes split? OP is riddled with shortcuts like that one, and nobody should care much about it. Whether it makes sense or not is of no consequence when that's exactly what's happening here.
But when you change up something that's been a constant for years, it creates a confusion. I myself can't remember any other instance where a person A talked to person B over the snail that looked like person A instead of person B. So unless I forgot and someone jogs my memory, it's a mistake, an anomaly. It's not like Oda has never made a minor cosmetic mistake like that.
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I'm totally fine with this. It won't change his personality. It'll help him dodge attacks more. Seems more like growth to me.
It should change quite a lot, if it's going to be written in properly. Otherwise, why bother giving it to him? Katakuri has been shown using it outside battle, and he's used to it, goes so far to even finish other people's sentences. It should affect Luffy as well.
And yeah, to hell with his fighting instincts, it's prediction time baby!
I'd be perfectly fine if Observation future sight begins and ends with Katakuri.
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