Yeah it doesn't clicks with me the same way it used to be. I couldn't bear to watch the complete heist episode.
I think the nihilistic point they try to drive is that in a objective, macro perspective, nothing actually matters because you're only a speck of dust in the vastness of the universe, however in a subjective, micro perspective, things do matter and have a meaning generated by oneself. And that's the point that Rick constantly fails to get and makes him the bitter miserable person he is.
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But Rick is awesome the awesomely competent, awesomely cool, awesomely funny and awesomely entertaining raison d'être for the show, which kinda undercuts that point. Take an episode like Pickle Rick, which directly calls out Ricks toxic hangups and tries framing him being a pickle as pathetic…only it doesn't come across as pathetic, because its cool and entertaining and funny to see how Rick uses his hyper-competence to become the worlds deadliest pickle.
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But Rick is awesome the awesomely competent, awesomely cool, awesomely funny and awesomely entertaining raison d'être for the show, which kinda undercuts that point. Take an episode like Pickle Rick, which directly calls out Ricks toxic hangups and tries framing him being a pickle as pathetic…only it doesn't come across as pathetic, because its cool and entertaining and funny to see how Rick uses his hyper-competence to become the worlds deadliest pickle.
Apparently, the showrunners have indeed claimed that the point of the series is basically what pariston_hill said; yeah, it's true that we may all be insignificant on the scale of the whole universe, but we shouldn't stop trying to live our lives and enjoy them to the best of our ability and find our own meaning in them. "Anti-nihilism", I guess it's called.
I do think it's true that, sometimes, the show can send some mixed messages about that when the nihilistic Rick is portrayed as "awesome and borderline-untouchable" because of his genius. But I think it does get the point across effectively in other ways, such as:
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We have Morty, who, even as he becomes more experienced and cynical about the universe thanks to Rick, still becomes more of an anti-nihilist rather than just nihilistic like Rick. Shown in, for example, Rixty Minutes with his speech to Summer to convince her to stay.
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We also have Jerry as another anti-nihilist. ("Life is effort and I'll stop when I die!") When you put all of Season 3 together, it has the underlying arc that Rick banishes Jerry, his antithesis, from the house, so he and his nihilistic worldview can have a greater influence over the rest of the family–and Morty, Summer, and Beth all become more negative, unhappy people for it. And then by the end of the season, they basically choose Jerry's worldview over Rick's when they take Jerry back and, when Rick tries to claim again that nothing matters, they dismiss it and tell him that they're still going to be a family together, with or without him; if he's not willing to get with that program, then he doesn't have to be there and should go find other versions of them.
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Rick himself has still shown that he cares more and that the people in his life matter more than they should if he truly is as much of a nihilist as he thinks he is. Unlike most other Ricks, he actually does care about Morty and Summer and gets jealous if they choose others over him, which he doesn't really have a reason to if he truly just sees them as one of infinite copies that he can replace at any given time. Hell, lots of other Ricks do have that attitude, and that's portrayed negatively. There's the whole thing when Beth asks him why he'd make a clone of her if nothing matters, and his response makes it clear that she does matter to him anyway. And then, even when he's super annoyed by the family choosing Jerry and rejecting his worldview in the above example, and implies he's going to leave them for it and go find a different version of his family…he doesn't. He chooses to stay with them, and even in this season, he has another perfect opportunity to leave them if he wants to (after it was shown how irritating he finds the new status quo), but still doesn't do it.
I agree it can sometimes get blurred and lost in the "OMG look how awesome Rick is and how much ass he kicks!", but I think the show is at least trying to say that Rick is, overall, a toxic person whose nihilistic worldview makes him deeply lonely and unhappy, and thus, we shouldn't be sharing his views or trying to emulate him. Especially since his most positive, heartwarming portrayals in the show are the ones that humanize him by showing that he cares about the people in his life even if they supposedly don't matter.
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It's tough to get behind the shows subtle subtext when its main text is so bold and upfront that RICK IS AWESOME AND ALWAYS RIGHT overshadows but he's secretly sad.
"Rick is a terrible person and suffers for his attitude" is the stinger they've gone for several times now… except he's always in charge and always winning at everything else and its hard to reconcile those two.He throws a big party but doesnt have any actual friends. He had one legitimate love once and screwed it up. Oh he was going to kill himself but then passed out. He tried to avoid therapy by being a pickle but then ended up there anyway. He messed with a guy for using his toilet and insisted they weren't friends, but was sad when he lost him... and an earlier prank was only unfurled on him.
Its a good touch, a nice counterbalance, it makes a kicker of an ending, but they keep going to it, and nothing ever actually changes. Like in season 1 when Morty pointed to his own grave and we saw that there actually WAS continuity and growth, it seemed like there was going to be real depth to this wacky show, and the season ended with joke characters returing seriously or Birdman having the denountment of what Wubba Lubba Dub Dub meant..
A show doesn't HAVE to be about change or growth, characters don't NEED to be different in season 4 than they were in season 1, but this show seemed like it was going to... and it hasn't really.
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The most annoying examples were Rick even owning an entire society made up of himself and even the wind calling Jerry a loser. Whenever Rick gets owned it's always one of my favorite moments. Though the showrunners themselves have said Jerry is far better off than Rick so they're definitely siding with anti-nihlism. Anyway about last episode, it was really good, easily best of the season so far after 3 lackluster episodes. Like someone said, B story was meandering until the hilarious payoff and the A story was Rick and Morty at its best: complete improvisational insanity.
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Apparently, the showrunners have indeed claimed that the point of the series is basically what pariston_hill said; yeah, it's true that we may all be insignificant on the scale of the whole universe, but we shouldn't stop trying to live our lives and enjoy them to the best of our ability and find our own meaning in them. "Anti-nihilism", I guess it's called.
I do think it's true that, sometimes, the show can send some mixed messages about that when the nihilistic Rick is portrayed as "awesome and borderline-untouchable" because of his genius. But I think it does get the point across effectively in other ways, such as:
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We have Morty, who, even as he becomes more experienced and cynical about the universe thanks to Rick, still becomes more of an anti-nihilist rather than just nihilistic like Rick. Shown in, for example, Rixty Minutes with his speech to Summer to convince her to stay.
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We also have Jerry as another anti-nihilist. ("Life is effort and I'll stop when I die!") When you put all of Season 3 together, it has the underlying arc that Rick banishes Jerry, his antithesis, from the house, so he and his nihilistic worldview can have a greater influence over the rest of the family–and Morty, Summer, and Beth all become more negative, unhappy people for it. And then by the end of the season, they basically choose Jerry's worldview over Rick's when they take Jerry back and, when Rick tries to claim again that nothing matters, they dismiss it and tell him that they're still going to be a family together, with or without him; if he's not willing to get with that program, then he doesn't have to be there and should go find other versions of them.
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Rick himself has still shown that he cares more and that the people in his life matter more than they should if he truly is as much of a nihilist as he thinks he is. Unlike most other Ricks, he actually does care about Morty and Summer and gets jealous if they choose others over him, which he doesn't really have a reason to if he truly just sees them as one of infinite copies that he can replace at any given time. Hell, lots of other Ricks do have that attitude, and that's portrayed negatively. There's the whole thing when Beth asks him why he'd make a clone of her if nothing matters, and his response makes it clear that she does matter to him anyway. And then, even when he's super annoyed by the family choosing Jerry and rejecting his worldview in the above example, and implies he's going to leave them for it and go find a different version of his family…he doesn't. He chooses to stay with them, and even in this season, he has another perfect opportunity to leave them if he wants to (after it was shown how irritating he finds the new status quo), but still doesn't do it.
I agree it can sometimes get blurred and lost in the "OMG look how awesome Rick is and how much ass he kicks!", but I think the show is at least trying to say that Rick is, overall, a toxic person whose nihilistic worldview makes him deeply lonely and unhappy, and thus, we shouldn't be sharing his views or trying to emulate him. Especially since his most positive, heartwarming portrayals in the show are the ones that humanize him by showing that he cares about the people in his life even if they supposedly don't matter.
I acknowledge that the series attempts these messages, they just run counter to how the show usually frames Jerry, Rick, and pretty much the entire world.
Its hard to buy into Jerry as some sort of positive example when he is so often framed as pathetic and useless, the butt of the joke. And its hard to buy into Rick being someone to root against when he is framed as the cool,hypercompetent hyperintelligent maker of jokes, not the subject of them. I think its fair to say a lot of fans want to be Rick, not Jerry, which is kind of fair in terms of the shows presentation. It often seems to preach a dichotomy of “blissful, pathetic idiocy” and “depressingly cynical intelligence”. Which just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. You can be happy and nice and intelligent.But really, whatever the writers may say outside of the show, inside it the universe is pretty much always exactly as shitty and cynical as Rick says it is.
The fart-cloud really is a monster.
The cute alien girl really is trying to trick you.
The superheroes really are assholes.
Everything is awful, and if things aren’t you’re either not paying good enough attention, or it will be eventually corrupted. Life holds little value, and even the death of innocent children is another punchline. Rick destroying an entire universe out of petty self-centeredness is just another bump in the road.From the sum of all that I just don’t see any meaningful dressing down of Rick and his worldwiew, certainly not in comparison to something like Bojack Horseman – a comparison that was also made in the Renegade Cut video, but I think its rather apt.
Like, the vibe I get from Bojack is:
The world is cynical and shitty.
But things do matter.
So you should make an effort to be better, and make things better.Whereas Rick and Morty has me feeling like
The world is cynical and shitty.
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Rick is a masculinist, the rest of his family are more feminine. Relationships have nothing to do with nihilism imo but just masculinity/femininity. On one hand you have a very great feminine show like Steven Universe, on the other hand you have a more masculine show with Rick and Morty. This is how nihilistic and masculine people manage their relationships I guess. And of course he's alone, he's the smartest scientist in the universe(or something like that, at least the smartest Rick).
Also, don't forget that there is(/was) an "evil Rick Sanchez", so our Rick isn't that much of a douche as one might think.
Anyway, my point is that everyone doesn't have to have the same kind of relationships.
I don't think there is any problem with Rick and Morty. It hasn't changed much since it started, except in season 3 a bit. Anyways, it's like in the Simpsons, even though Homer turns out to be a genius (or anything), the episode will end with him being an idiot (back to the norm).
If there are any critics coming now, it's because people here have more enjoyed season 3, I guess.About the episode. I liked the relationship between Rick and the dragon, I thought there were gonna be drinking buddies or what. But in the end, Rick didn't really care about his pet…
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Rick and Morty is more like nothing matters, so have as much fun as you can, which drifts towards hedonism.
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Episode 5 had everything I liked about the show.
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Bit of a late reply to some of the earlier responses, but:
Yeah, like I said, I get that the show sends some mixed messages with how "awesome and badass" it shows Rick as being. Still, though, a lot of moments where he's depicted as "awesome or always right" are when he's up against people who are about as bad as he is or even worse, and more and more often, he gets called on shit that he does. Even just for those examples listed:
-Yeah, the fart-cloud-thing is indeed bad, it's true. That whole episode seemed to be making the point that sometimes you might think you're doing the "right" thing, but if you don't actually know the whole situation, you could make things even worse. Cynical, sure, but valid. Also, Rick was less making the point about the cloud being bad and more just annoyed that Morty wouldn't just hang out in an arcade with him and insisted on sidetracking it to save Fart.
-The cute monster girl who tricked you actually has an understandable reason for what she's doing, and even Rick agrees and decides to help her out (and the people they take down are total scumbags). The problem here is more that it's clear by the end that the citizens are gonna go back to purging anyway.
-The superheroes are assholes, but it's made abundantly clear that while Rick was right about them, he wasn't trying to bring them down for the right reasons, and Morty outright points out that nobody wants to give him the satisfaction of admitting he has a point when he's an asshole about it.I'd say the problem is less him being always right, because he does get called out for his shitty attitude (with increasing frequency throughout the series, too, as Morty becomes more confident), and more that he gets off scott-free for things that he does. For both that, and for character development, I'm honestly just waiting to see where it goes at this point and what the show does with it, especially now that they know they have so much time to build things up. Because there has been some gradual development–Morty's becoming more confident but jaded, Rick's position in the family hierarchy changes, the state of Jerry's and Beth's relationship. The question is whether this will stick, and whether it'll flow naturally or feel forced. It's totally possible that, down the line, I'll look back at all of this and feel more lukewarm about it, like "in retrospect, they didn't do a good job of giving these characters real development or building real stakes like I was hoping they would." So it's not like I blame people for having grown weary of it at this point because they're already feeling like that, or am trying to say "You're wrong and need to keep watching", because yeah, much of the stuff others have said isn't wrong. But for me, so far, I'm certainly not seeing it as a show that had a lot of promise but isn't delivering on it, nor is it having any kind of negative effect on my attitude or worldview (e.g. its cynicism isn't depressing me or making me more cynical myself), so I figured I'd offer my take on it.
As far as comparing Rick and Morty to BoJack Horseman, I personally like R&M better, though I certainly do like both. I'm not saying "I think it's the better show", either, but just that the premise of R&M (wacky, zany sci-fi adventures that offers a deconstruction of the dysfunctional family and certain sci-fi tropes) appeals to my liking more than that of BoJack (world with talking humanoid animals that offers a major deconstruction of celebrity culture and the media). I think Daz's summing up of the cynicism on BoJack is right on the money, but for summing up R&M, probably something closer to how MiyamotoMusashi put it. Especially since, like I already said, it doesn't seem to me like the show is trying to say "nothing matters, oh well". Guess we'll just have to chalk it up to seeing it in different ways.
On a different note, yeah, last night's episode was pretty fun. I thought that, if the showrunners went back on their decision to not do time travel stuff, it would irritate me, but this was delightfully ridiculous enough that it was fun, and getting the Key & Peele time cops back was great. XD Also, first time they've done a Christmas episode since "Anatomy Park" in Season 1, so that was cool.
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I didn´t even think about it, yeah they did time travel after all….
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This trailer aired on April Fool's, but now the first of these five episodes is less than two weeks away! Looking forward to it.
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Did anyone see the new episode?
It was… kinda bad.
! Apparently the whole thing was an attempt to troll the fans who got hyped for Evil Morty and other expected "canon" events after the trailer hit, but for people like me who never saw the trailer and didn't care about the "canon" it was just weird, nonsensical and not particularly funny.
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Did anyone see the new episode?
It was… kinda bad.
! Apparently the whole thing was an attempt to troll the fans who got hyped for Evil Morty and other expected "canon" events after the trailer hit, but for people like me who never saw the trailer and didn't care about the "canon" it was just weird, nonsensical and not particularly funny.
I had a great time with it.
It was one of those classic Rick and Morty episodes where they take a high-concept nearly impossible idea and make it happen.
This time they played around with meta narrative and actual literary structure.
It was a very cool version of a fictional character recognizing and adapting to the idea they are part of a fictional world.
It also felt like the writers were challenging themselves(instead of trolling fans) by lampshading great story ideas and potential plot progressions and then saying they won't do it.
If this had been the first episode of the new season, I would be excited that they could rise up to the challenge. But the first few episodes were ok at best, so I don't know.
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Based on fan reactions, this was pretty much the Last Jedi of Rick and Morty episodes.
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty.
The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics, or in this case, writing structure, most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head.
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Based on fan reactions, this was pretty much the Last Jedi of Rick and Morty episodes.
It wasn't a good episode but I don't think it deserves that comparison.
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Based on fan reactions, this was pretty much the Last Jedi of Rick and Morty episodes.
Haha. Guess I haven't really been seeing the negative half of it; every review I've read (which just consisted of Googling R&M reviews and reading some of what pops up from various websites) had the opinion of "not perfect and had some issues, but still good" at worst. I don't know where people usually go to rate these things, but the ranking I saw on IMDB, at least, was pretty middle-of-the-pack for the show.
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For me, I had to watch it again where I could actually pause and replay some things I missed the first time, because my thoughts after the first watch were basically "I think I liked it fine, but...I'm not completely sure if what I think just happened matched up with what actually happened, so...". It certainly was a twist on how they usually do their anthology episodes, and they did it in episode #6 instead of 8.Sounds like they're basically saying "Hey, stop building your expectations up too much for what you want the 'story' to be like, because we're doing this our way". Which I'm fine with. Sure, I'd be happy to see stuff like Tammy and Evil Morty and all that, but at this point, I'm sure they're still gonna reappear sometime anyway, so I'm just fine with being along for the ride and not building up crazy expectations. Overall, this won't stand out in the future as one of my favorite episodes of the series, or even this season, but I didn't think it was bad.
Also, we got about a third of the trailer scenes in just the first episode, so there's probably at least one later ep, maybe more, that we've seen little of. Works for me.
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I think that they will do these episodes anyway, but not in this way.
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This was very much a Dan Harmon episode, with his love of pointing out story structure and “meta” commentary along with poking fun at how he views the way the fandom views his show (all I kept thinking about were the constant “gas leak” references in Community that described the season Dan was no longer part of production)
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Okay, serious response this time.
They made a huge joke specifically about Dan Harmon's story flow chart, its what all the circle jokes were about. Like the entire thing was them going "People are getting tired of us following a strict formula, so we'll show them what happens when you follow REALLY STRICT formula."
THey even had a bechdel test sequence in there that ended with fighting scorpions with periods. And they mentioned a couple of times it was their "random nonsense improv episode" that they do once a season that people loved before. And even threw out a couple of really obvious fanfic plot hooks and said "nope, we're not going there."
It was a really smart episode aimed at writers and critics. It was definitely an interesting writing exercise. And very meta. But that doesn't simultaneously mean it was good or something they needed to be doing.
I can appreciate them basically going "look we're going to do whatever we want, stop assuming we're going to do what YOU want" which is a cute stick poking the beehive.
It probably stews okay and was clever, but it wasn't super fun to watch the first time.
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Okay, serious response this time.
It probably stews okay and was clever, but it wasn't super fun to watch the first time.
Agreed. I could see that it was very meta but, as someone who hasn't followed anything outside of the show, it just kind of felt pointless. Female scorpions was funny though. So there is that.
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The story train episode has the most difference in opinions of any episode in a very long time apparently. Personally I loved it, the best episode in a loooong time. Compare it to the next episode with the face huggers to see the difference between an original, inventive concept and just another typical mediocre Rick and Morty episode. The show has been kind of ho-hum for me ever after season 2, so this was a real breath of fresh air. Screw the meta stuff, it was just simply funny as hell. Morty's feminist story in particular was the funniest the show has been in years.
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man that was the meanest and pettiest Rick has ever been.
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man that was the meanest and pettiest Rick has ever been.
Guess they figured that, since Rick was unusually nicer to Morty the past couple of episodes–by his standards, obviously, not by any standards that most people would consider to be actually nice/good--they needed to put in a reminder that he is, in fact, a terrible and at-least-borderline evil person, lest anyone start to forget it.
Also, I found myself identifying a bit with Morty's unnamed girlfriend, who is also a brunette bespectacled space geek. (Well, I wear contact lenses the majority of the time, but occasionally do keep my glasses on.) We all knew that relationship was getting undone, so the question was how it would happen…but lulz at Jerry being the one responsible for it, because of course he was.
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I found this episode pretty underwhelming, to similar to episode 3 (heist episode) and the speeding up story with some music is also a bit overdone by now.
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Way better than last episode. A fun science fiction concept that hasn't been done before, milked for all it's worth. That's quality R&M. This one could've come right out of season one. This and the story train episode stand out as the best of a mediocre season so far.
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I stopped at 4 and decided to caught up just to know what was up with 6. It was quite the entertaining episode and more in line with how I enjoy the show. Pure entertainment.
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So why is adult swim censoring Rick's drinking habit?
I have noticed he doesn't drink anymore and the few times we see him with his alcohol, its the usual lame network method of censorship, where the character holds the "illicit" product but never actually consumes.
I also noticed Rick was unusually nice to morty in the last episode.
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So why is adult swim censoring Rick's drinking habit?
Why are you insinuating it's Adult swim "censoring" the show and not…..the writing of the show?
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I have noticed he doesn't drink anymore and the few times we see him with his alcohol, its the usual lame network method of censorship, where the character holds the "illicit" product but never actually consumes.
I have no idea how much he has or hasn't drunk in recent episodes, but I do remember one instance of him drinking from his flask in just in the last episode, when he and Morty are in the prison cell after Summer gets them arrested.
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So why is adult swim censoring Rick's drinking habit?
I have noticed he doesn't drink anymore and the few times we see him with his alcohol, its the usual lame network method of censorship, where the character holds the "illicit" product but never actually consumes.
I also noticed Rick was unusually nice to morty in the last episode.
The network isn't censoring it. That's just the show realizing that slowing down the pace to have him drink constantly eats up screentime they could instead use to get in more jokes. And.. they're like 40 episodes in, doing constant belch jokes gets old.
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Also, I found myself identifying a bit with Morty's unnamed girlfriend, who is also a brunette bespectacled space geek. (Well, I wear contact lenses the majority of the time, but occasionally do keep my glasses on.) We all knew that relationship was getting undone, so the question was how it would happen…but lulz at Jerry being the one responsible for it, because of course he was.
Arguably Rick was the one responsible. After we found out how the device worked and Rick merged the timelines, she came to see Morty but ran off crying after he jumped in the acid.
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Why are you insinuating it's Adult swim "censoring" the show and not…..the writing of the show?
Oh, it could definitely be a writing decision.
I just assumed the simplest explanation would be censorship from the network.
Rick drinking has been a defining trait since episode 1. Something that was an integral part of his character, just like his intelligence. So to me that wasn't the simplest explanation.
I admit, my perspective seems to have been completely different from the majority.
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The show first aired in 2013, and they started production well before that. You'd get sick of doing the same drinking joke over and over too.
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2 things: Roylands method acting for drinking Rick wasn’t substainable in time, and if you go for retakes well, the liver deserves love.
2th: Robby is that sailor moon made by you? She looks cool.
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Knowing Mike Lazzo, it's more likely that they would get notes to make Rick drink more.
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Arguably Rick was the one responsible. After we found out how the device worked and Rick merged the timelines, she came to see Morty but ran off crying after he jumped in the acid.
Oh yeah, Rick's definitely still responsible for it too, but more indirectly. I meant Jerry was the one directly responsible for undoing the relationship while it was actually happening (which, let's be real, everyone knew was going to happen).
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Speaking of censoring, I'm baffled at the censoring of the word "shit" . Sometimes its bleeped and other times its not. I've been tring to see if theres a pattern to it but have yet to see one.
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Speaking of censoring, I'm baffled at the censoring of the word "shit" . Sometimes its bleeped and other times its not. I've been tring to see if theres a pattern to it but have yet to see one.
I'm pretty sure they have an allowance for how many times they can swear and still keep the show's rating. Movies work like that, too.
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2th: Robby is that sailor moon made by you? She looks cool.
Yeah. I had to get in on the meme.
Speaking of censoring, I'm baffled at the censoring of the word "shit" . Sometimes its bleeped and other times its not. I've been tring to see if theres a pattern to it but have yet to see one.
They probably just bleep it when its funnier that way. South Park completely broke it years ago when they used the word hundreds of times in a single episode and it lost all meaning.
Like, Networks slowly teased the word out as a curse they could get away with once or twice, and then just let it go entirely.
It's also possible that standards are really dumb and like, for the 9:30 showing they're allowed to use the word twice and then after midnight they're allowed infinite uses or something. Or they just record it expecting it to go on streaming uncensored and leave it up to the guy at BS&P to bleep the airings and don't really pay attention.
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Well season ended as usual, with we being remained how shitty of a person Rick is.
! At least Tammy is gone. And know we have two Beths? That's a win.
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Was overall pretty mixed on the season with it having some highs and lows (episode 9 probably was my least favorite episode of the entire series), but Invisible Garbage Truck Jerry > Pickle Rick.
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The season was a bit of a mix for me. Season 2 still remains my favorite, with 1 and 3 tied. 4 does contain my all time favorite episode of the series though, the Vat of Acid episode. And really shined with a fantastic finale.
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Overall a solid season in my book. It does feel like the writers may be running out of ideas though; not surprising given the current number of episodes.
Personally I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two before they release another and possibly final season.
Invisible garbage truck Jerry, though- a win right there.
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I really liked that season finale a lot. I think some fans interpreted the story train episode as the showrunners saying "Nope, serialization ain't gonna be a thing and fuck you all for wanting that", but considering that there's actually been plenty of referencing earlier episodes throughout this season and how completely loaded with continuity this finale was, seems like the message was probably something closer to "We'll still have continuity in this series, just quit building up expectations that are impossible to live up to, okay?" Which actually worked pretty well for me, at least. Unlike the Season 3 finale, which I probably did build up too many hopes/expectations for and was disappointed by the end product, I went into this one with a more "Let's just see what happens" attitude and it worked out way better. I wasn't even expecting Tammy and the G-Fed storyline to show up here, so that was a pleasant bonus.
I'll have to watch the season again (which I will, since I'll cowatch it with various friends) to get a better feel for my overall thoughts about it, but my "knee-jerk" reaction is that I liked it pretty well overall. Definitely had some episodes that I was "eh" about, but that's been the case for the previous ones as well.
Personally I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two before they release another and possibly final season.
When they release another season, it won't be the final one; they were renewed for 70 episodes after Season 3, so they still have 60 left.
And the wait probably won't be as long this time; apparently, Season 5 has already been storyboarded and at least mostly written, though both Jerry's and Beth's VAs have confirmed that recording hasn't started yet, so it's not gonna be super-soon. With Coronavirus slowing everything down, a year seems plausible; it probably won't be as long as two years. Supposedly development has even started already for Season 6.
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Things were slow with the previous seasons because you couldn’t demand time from your contractors, without an stablished budget and timeframe, now with the 70 episodes (-and a movie?) these delays, that could ripple depending on how important the stoped part is, no longer exist. Granted, we have new and exciting ways of delay but, that is a future problem.
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Personally I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two before they release another and possibly final season.
They held out on making this season until they had a contract for 70 episodes. SHow is going to be running till 2026 at least.
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They held out on making this season until they had a contract for 70 episodes. SHow is going to be running till 2026 at least.
70 episodes?! Christ, they're bound to run out of original ideas aren't they
After having watched a good number of them, I don't like how long-running shows tend to wear out after time and become incredibly stale… and now I fear for this one as well.
But I suppose having a contract for 70 episodes doesn't pay too bad.