How sick and twisted….
I can't think up a title to describe how I feel about this.
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How sick and twisted….
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@yokaiforte:
The fact that the 16 year old was coaching her, I wonder if she's had some psychological torture/pressure before.
Here we go, back to thinking the girl has had something that caused her to do this. If you are gonna do this you might aswell say all the guys might have had some short of psychological torture/pressure before.
I see women no different from men (tho of course I'm attratched to them unlike men) cause I respect them. While some women if not all may find me saying this sort of shit to actually be sexism its the entire opposite. Isn't it always the women bitching cause they aren't treated equaly like men?
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She's 11. I honestly don't see why she'd consent to something like this (except your story Buuhan). The fact that she's been described as something like "desperate", a person she looks up to, the 16 year old, could easily manipulate said child into doing whatever.
Now, I'm not saying that women are almost never to be at cause, but a girl with a probable deplorable mental health after losing her mother, and with chances that she's not doing so well, chances are some sort of psychological pressure, whether it be peer pressure or anything extreme. In apparence, the girl still seems to have morals if she didn't at first consent to sex with the uncle, but caved in afterwards.
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The thing is, she's a CHILD. Children are mentally and emotionally underdeveloped and they are easily influenced by adults to make decisions. If this was a 11 year old boy we were talking about, it would be no different. It's ILLEGAL to engage in sexual acts with children for a reason. Most children who are sexually abused are willling, because they don't know any better. It doesn't make it any less wrong because the responsible adults took advantage of children's trust and naivite. Children who engage in sexual activity end up becoming very messed up.
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11-year-olds aren't as innocent as they use to be.
Now if it was an 8-year-old…
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Here we go, back to thinking the girl has had something that caused her to do this. If you are gonna do this you might aswell say all the guys might have had some short of psychological torture/pressure before.
I see women no different from men (tho of course I'm attratched to them unlike men) cause I respect them. While some women if not all may find me saying this sort of shit to actually be sexism its the entire opposite. Isn't it always the women bitching cause they aren't treated equaly like men?
Are you really that dense, it doesn't matter wether the little girl was willing to or not. If that little girl did in fact look up to the 16 year old, it wouldn't be difficult to convince her to do all those things.
No one is questioning your views on the sexes, by you having to say your not sexist doesn't make it anymore true. Frankly, I could care less whether you see women no different than men.
I'm well aware some kids these days are less innocent than before, but we don't know if she grew up knowing about what she was in fact getting herself into. Just because apparently you've met people like that doesn't mean all children are raised to know about sex in its entirety so soon. So basically you think the girl deserved it, that alone makes you look like an ass.
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11-year-olds aren't as innocent as they use to be.
Now if it was an 8-year-old…
To actually show you how bad life has got now, my cousin who is ten wears a thong. The reason she wears it? To make the older boys pay attention to her. How sad is that?
In my youth, if a girl wanted attention, she would become a tomboy and beat you at everything you were good at. What happened to those days? Now it is a child molestors paradise.
Which speaking of that topic, a 40ish old man tried to kidnap a eight year old girl the other day in my area. She was on camera discussing what happened and I kid you not. Paris Hilton acts/looks more like a "proper" woman then this young girl.
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11-year-olds aren't as innocent as they use to be.
Now if it was an 8-year-old…
The way things are going, it won't be long before 8 year olds aren't that "innocent" either. Where are you going to draw the line? 11 year olds are still children. If you think an 11 year old is old enough to be responsible for making decisions about sexual activity, then you're not too many steps behind the sickos that actually did it with her.
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Maybe it's becoz of the media…Yeah...that's what I think, too much violence and lust shown on TV ryt now. When I was still 10 years old I would hide in the shoe rack looking at the porn magazines my cousins brought. I even peeped on my auntie when she would be changing her clothes.
All of us have perverted thoughts in our mind (that's what I thought as a neutral leader). But the what television is showing ryt now is just too much. It drives people to more perverted stuff. ANd sometimes they become too desperate that they succumb to the lowest extent of lust.
Sex should be controlled nowadays. Scandals and stuff are rampaging their ways to the tube. During my childhood times, I've had great times when scandals weren't present still. And a mere sight of a girl's panty would make us go bonkers.
There should be a law about scandals and sex controllation, even if it sounds a bit too much mankind tends to go out of bounds in the law. Body exposure controllation should be controlled to control the growing process of children's love for sex.
And the moral of my post is: Hapiness is doing the simplest things with joy.
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The way things are going, it won't be long before 8 year olds aren't that "innocent" either. Where are you going to draw the line? 11 year olds are still children. If you think an 11 year old is old enough to be responsible for making decisions about sexual activity, then you're not too many steps behind the sickos that actually did it with her.
I was just waiting for someone to throw this at me. Truely sad, Cos.
I know good and well 11-year-olds aren't old enough to have sex, hell I'm almost 16 and I still feel I'm not ready tho I'd like to. But I think this is more cause I only want to give it to that special someone.
I'm just saying, we have no control over our younger generations anymore. Parents these day just let their kids grow up how they want and do what they want. I know, the parents weren't there for her and this just happened.
I am not a pedo and never will be. The moment I turn 18 I wont even touch a 17-year-old. I'm just displaying facts, in a less accepted way possibly but still displaying them. This is how we let our world grow up today.
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First off; Buuhan, most places have laws that say it's okay for relationships between and "adult" and "minor" if it's within certain boundaries, usually one or two years, so there's nothing wrong from any standpoint for an 18-year-old and 17-year-old.
Second off, I'm not feeling any pity for the girl either. There's a big difference between consented and non-consented sex. It's not a "Oh, sex, what's that?" thing she consented to. She knew full well what she was getting into. It doesn't even sound like she was pressured.
Sure, they should be punished, but I think a line needs to be drawn between "gang rape" and "girl willingly going down on a bunch of guys." You know how different those two things are? It DOES deserve some punishment, yes, but it's NOT NEARLY as bad as it was originally made out to be.
And I still don't feel any pity for the girl. Do you honestly think she's going to be emotionally scarred from any of this?
About the one day old thing; that one's just sick. Not touching that one.
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Thank you, Paulie. You summed up everything I've been trying to say.
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The forum I got the link from later in the thread someone said something about this kinda stuff happening all the time then said to look at this
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http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060513/NEWS01/605130304/1002I think I just threw up in my mouth
that is just sick. some people shouldn't be allowed to breed.
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I was just waiting for someone to throw this at me. Truely sad, Cos.
Yes, your attitude is truly sad here. :sad:
I know good and well 11-year-olds aren't old enough to have sex, hell I'm almost 16 and I still feel I'm not ready tho I'd like to. But I think this is more cause I only want to give it to that special someone.
I'm just saying, we have no control over our younger generations anymore. Parents these day just let their kids grow up how they want and do what they want. I know, the parents weren't there for her and this just happened.
I'm just displaying facts, in a less accepted way possibly but still displaying them. This is how we let our world grow up today.And…you're OK with that? The only reason why parents (some, not the majority of the world) don't have control over their kids is because they don't care enough to take responsibility, not because they can't or that something about the younger generation is more difficult to control. It is precisely for this reason that parents MUST take responsibility for their children and not let stuff like this happen. Her mom is dead, I have no idea who raised this girl, but any adult with common sense and even the slightest moral fiber would have said refused the girl and got help. Normal 11 year olds don't go seeking sexual activity unless they've already been influenced by older people. And yes, she was being pressured.
It may be less frightening to know that the girl was willing to do it, rather than a violent gang rape, but if you don't feel pity for this girl and her pathetic position, her tainted childhood (if you don't think she's going to suffer trauma from this, you should study child pyschology), and feel utterly disgusted at the adults involved, then you have seriously become a calloused person.
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And I still don't feel any pity for the girl. Do you honestly think she's going to be emotionally scarred from any of this?
I'm 24 and I still get emotionally scarred by bad relationships or serious shit that happens to me, let alone if I was raped by 20 men.
And it doesnt matter if the girl gave consent (c'mon, do you honestly think this child knew what she was doing?) …
_Example scenario:
16 yr old: Hey there XXX. Here are my 20 friends and they would all like to have sex with you. Are you okay with that?
11 yr old: Oh why the hell not. I'm 11 right now, have AIDS and feel mature enough to be having grown-up sex. Bring it on!
16 yr old: Oh thank you!(does that even seem logical to you? are you sure she was not put into some pressure?)_
…. or not, its still sex with a minor, and as far as I know, its illegal in most, if not all, countries in the world.
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**Oh…Wow. :sad:
I don't understand why people would want to do something like this. There are other ways to have sex other than this.
I still feel sorry for her, even though she willed it. The reason I feel sorry for her is mostly because she was willing. Hopefully she (and they) learned the error of their ways.**
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I've heard millions of stories of childrens getting raped by an adults. This isn't new. Oh yes, I feel sorry for the girl that got raped by gangs
Condolance.
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Joekido, if you're going to take the time to post to a thread, do yourself a favor and actually READ the thread and the related news articles before posting. :getlost:
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Joekido, if you're going to take the time to post to a thread, do yourself a favor and actually READ the thread and the related news articles before posting. :getlost:
Whoa, what did I say that is mean? All I said was I've heard millions of stories related to child sexual abuse like that news post. I did read it but I olny read the part of it before I end up saying "wow, I've saw that before"
I even felt sorry for the girl, now what is with the :getlost: attitude? I said I feel sorry for the girl.
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Maybe she was talking about how she wasn't infact, raped.
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@joekido:
Whoa, what did I say that is mean? All I said was I've heard millions of stories related to child sexual abuse like that news post. I did read it but I olny read the part of it before I end up saying "wow, I've saw that before"
I even felt sorry for the girl, now what is with the :getlost: attitude? I said I feel sorry for the girl.
Keep reading.
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I'm just saying, we have no control over our younger generations anymore. Parents these day just let their kids grow up how they want and do what they want. I know, the parents weren't there for her and this just happened.
I am not a pedo and never will be. The moment I turn 18 I wont even touch a 17-year-old. I'm just displaying facts, in a less accepted way possibly but still displaying them. This is how we let our world grow up today.
I have to admit that u are right on the long run Buuhan. And u know where it all leads to? I think it's money.
All of this is because of money. Scandals, high school girls working in strip clubs(yeah I've seen some) have a big connection towards poverty. I ask some of them why they succumb so low of a profile. And u know what they said…."Money for the midterms"....Prices nowadays are going extremely high and it all seems to affect the values our children have.
1.Since we all know that our stomach is our main need we tend to put food first in our priorities in life.
2.But in order for us to have food we need to buy some. BUt we do not have any money.
3.Trying to get a job nowadays (especially in our country) is veryveryveryvery hard
4.So for easy money we do those things. Just to have money for us to get food.
5.I heard on the news that some people in (I won't say the country) are sooo poor and soo hungry that they eat their kids for breakfast.All of the bad values kid's now hve are ll connected to poverty
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19 people arranging in sexual assult on a 11 years old girl. God, the world is getting worst and worst everyday
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…You STILL didn't read the second article.
Oh well, like I said, I give up.
And WHAT THE HECK are you going on about lorenzo? Nevermind, I don't want to know.
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http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060513/NEWS01/605130304/1002That reminds me of the news story I read a few years ago, about some guy in Africa who raped a newborn. He did it because a shaman or something told him to sleep with the youngest virgin he could find and he could be healed. I shit you not. I wonder what made these parents want to rape their baby.
Oh, and about the 11 year old. I think it all boils down to how mature she was. Some 11 year olds are mature for their age and others aren't. I know when I was 11 I was still playing with toys. o_O
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I think we should all take lessons and listen to the elders. In the 70's rape and those things weren't too common (well… at least it wasn't that common in the public...Haven't u seen Cannibal Holocaust before)
I'm not saying to be like the free guys like the hippies (I hate hippies) I mean let's all be conscious about our bodies and relive the humanity in the 70'swooo yeah....official theme song....wooot....oh yeah....
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@Invader:
That reminds me of the news story I read a few years ago, about some guy in Africa who raped a newborn. He did it because a shaman or something told him to sleep with the youngest virgin he could find and he could be healed. I shit you not.
Warning: Off-topicness
I have a friend in South Africa, and yes, sadly, this is how things are. The President there, Thabo Mbeki, is so uneducated when it comes to AIDS, and the Health Minister, Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, is just as dumb. Among things they have claimed:
1. HIV does not lead to AIDS.
2. AIDS can be cured by eating lemons, garlic, and African potatoes.
3. If you have sex with an AIDS infected person, just take a shower and you'll be fine.South Africa has been targeted relentlessly by the United Nations for their ludicrous AIDS policies, but South Africa refuses to listen.
ANYway…
I don't know if the 11 year old knew what she was doing or not, though I suspect she did, or was at least pressured if she did not. Does it make what those guys did okay? No, of course not.
By the way, relive the humanity of the 70s? The 70s was the decade that first saw an increase in divorce rates, single parent households, and pre-marital sex. It was also categorized as the "Me Decade." So I don't really see anything too great about humanity in the 70s. Then again, I'm very cynical.
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…You STILL didn't read the second article.
Oh well, like I said, I give up.
And WHAT THE HECK are you going on about lorenzo? Nevermind, I don't want to know.
What? There was a second article? Gonna go find that stupid article.
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Also on Friday, Alderman Mike McGee Jr. said he met with the girl, whom he described as distraught. He said she has been infected with HIV since birth and that her mother died of AIDS.
"You can't expect her to be doing well," he said.
After hearing this, I find it difficult for anyone not to hate those bastards.
It's also difficult to feel sorry for the 11-year-old girl (IF she willingly did AND knew what was going on. It sounds veeery suspicious). Still, I am disgusted by it all. But this isn't the first time I've heard of such atrocities…oh no...
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In the french news today; 3 girls in a boarding school for "difficult" children spend 3 hours beating, torturing with cigarettes and finally raping with a wooden clothes hanger a fourth, younger girl because her bed made some noise.
It's not the first time we hear about girls engaging in barbaric acts lately, that's quite disturbing.
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Yes, your attitude is truly sad here. :sad:
And…you're OK with that? The only reason why parents (some, not the majority of the world) don't have control over their kids is because they don't care enough to take responsibility, not because they can't or that something about the younger generation is more difficult to control. It is precisely for this reason that parents MUST take responsibility for their children and not let stuff like this happen. Her mom is dead, I have no idea who raised this girl, but any adult with common sense and even the slightest moral fiber would have said refused the girl and got help. Normal 11 year olds don't go seeking sexual activity unless they've already been influenced by older people_._ And yes, she was being pressured.
It may be less frightening to know that the girl was willing to do it, rather than a violent gang rape, but if you don't feel pity for this girl and her pathetic position, her tainted childhood (if you don't think she's going to suffer trauma from this, you should study child pyschology), and feel utterly disgusted at the adults involved, then you have seriously become a calloused person.
Buu and Paulie you guys are really pissing me off. This girl is obviously screwed up, and there's no way this wouldn't be tramatic for her and scar her for life even though she did it willingly. what are you guys thinking that she's a big slut? it's the bastards that infulenced her to do it that are sick and perverted. No 11-year old would do something like that without being manipulated by an adult. To me is seems clear she was already messed up before this happened.
If you know anything about child psychology you would know children immatate what they see and since in the last 20 or 30 years things like internet porn and sexually explicit shows ect.. have become more avalible to children and parents have been taking less responsibility kids seem less innocent because they are immitating what they see. Also never underestamate the power of peer pressure. Chances are the reason a little 8 year old would be wearing a thong is because all the other girls are wearing them. Kids have not become more mature, the're still kids, the're just immatating the screwed up adults around them. -
I'm not siding with them, as I don't completley agree with all they say, but that still doesn't change the fact that it was wllingly. And therefore not a rape.
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Children are not mature enough to make those kinds of decisons, that is why it is against the law to have sex with children even when the child is willing, and it is called statutory rape.
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Children are not mature enough to make those kinds of decisons, that is why it is against the law to have sex with children even when the child is willing, and it is called statutory rape.
A seven year old is smart enough not to make her mistake. People these days treat kids like they don't have common sense.
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1. HIV does not lead to AIDS.
2. AIDS can be cured by eating lemons, garlic, and African potatoes.
3. If you have sex with an AIDS infected person, just take a shower and you'll be fine.That's just fucked up.
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It's not as simple as "She was willing so it wasn't rape." In fact, some people that were sexually molested as children did it willingly, but it was still rape.
In the french news today; 3 girls in a boarding school for "difficult" children spend 3 hours beating, torturing with cigarettes and finally raping with a wooden clothes hanger a fourth, younger girl because her bed made some noise.
My God, that's messed up…this is a sick world we live in, to be sure.
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@Octogon:
A seven year old is smart enough not to make her mistake. People these days treat kids like they don't have common sense.
I agree, kids these days are much smarter than people give them credit for. Most kids these days know where babies come from & know Santa Claus isn't real. You gotta wake up pretty early to fool kids these days.
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It's not as simple as "She was willing so it wasn't rape." In fact, some people that were sexually molested as children did it willingly, but it was still rape.
Perhaps if you get into all the technial stuff. But the defination is a sexual crime commited againt another forcefully.
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@Octogon:
A seven year old is smart enough not to make her mistake. People these days treat kids like they don't have common sense.
It's not that Kids don't have common sense it's that when an adult asks a child to do something, they feel that they have to do it, mostly out of fear. After all adults are athourity figures to kids no matter how you look at it, Adults are bigger and stronger and a child and an adult are not on the same level.
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@Octogon:
Perhaps if you get into all the technial stuff. But the defination is a sexual crime commited againt another forcefully.
For regular rape, yes. However…
Statutory rape is the crime of sex with a minor under the (AOC). Statutory rape differs from other types of rape in that overt force or threat need not be present.
Now the laws vary from state to state as far as what the AOC is, or the age of the adult, but as stated, force/threat is not necessary in statutory rape.
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It's not that Kids don't have common sense it's that when an adult asks a child to do something, they feel that they have to do it, mostly out of fear. After all adults are athourity figures to kids no matter how you look at it, Adults are bigger and stronger and a child and an adult are not on the same level.
**Adults are just older kids with sexual drive.
No offense, but it sounds like you're talking about a toddler. She's 11 years old. People nowadays speak of children like they don't know anything, like they have no chioce.**
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Ah, to be sure, I don't agree with the laws, as some 13 year olds are well-informed enough to make decisions about sex, and some 20 year olds aren't informed enough to make decisions about sex. That's where the law is flawed, but, the point remains that as long as it's the law, that's how it is.
I admit this girl probably had full knowledge of what she was doing. But a) that doesn't make the guys free of fault and b) not all 11 year olds are so informed about sex. Probably some of them are, but not all.
I mean, there are the fanatical religious parents that shield their kids from everything even remotely bad…I know one girl who didn't learn about sex until she was 19, that's how overprotective her parents were.
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sigh.. it sounds like you think kids can have sex with adults if it's their decison. Since you think children are just as mature as adults. if that's so then why would there be a law against it? why do most people see it as bad? really now I'm not looking down on kids or think they are stupid. But I've studied this area a lot and when child have sex at such a young age it screws them up then they turn into really messed up adults.
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Ah, to be sure, I don't agree with the laws, as some 13 year olds are well-informed enough to make decisions about sex, and some 20 year olds aren't informed enough to make decisions about sex. That's where the law is flawed, but, the point remains that as long as it's the law, that's how it is.
I agree with you, but I was talking about the regular defination of rape. I think people have made the world too complicated.
I admit this girl probably had full knowledge of what she was doing. But a) that doesn't make the guys free of fault and b) not all 11 year olds are so informed about sex. Probably some of them are, but not all.
I mean, there are the fanatical religious parents that shield their kids from everything even remotely bad…I know one girl who didn't learn about sex until she was 19, that's how overprotective her parents were.
**She an 11 year old girl, so she should have started feeling some attraction twords the opposite sex. And it's almost impossible for an 11 year old NOt to know a thing about sex.
Even if I didn't she know what rape was. A couple of guys standing around touching you like that is scary enough.** @Suppai:
sigh.. it sounds like you think kids can have sex with adults if it's their decison. Since you think children are just as mature as adults. if that's so then why would there be a law against it? why do most people see it as bad? really now I'm not looking down on kids or think they are stupid. But I've studied this area a lot and when child have sex at such a young age it screws them up then they turn into really messed up adults.
**Where did I even imply any of that? Children shouldn't have sex with adults. I also never said having sex at such a young age won't screw you up, and it might not.
But the fact is that she did it willingly. Meaning that she accepted it. She knew full well what she was doing.**
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**She an 11 year old girl, so she should have started feeling some attraction twords the opposite sex. And it's almost impossible for an 11 year old NOt to know a thing about sex.**Not to say that you're wrong on your points or anything, but when I was 11, I had no clue about what sex was.
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@Octogon:
But the fact is that she did it willingly. Meaning that she accepted it. She knew full well what she was doing.
she did do it willingly but I disagree that she knew full well what she was getting herself into.
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she did do it willingly but I disagree that she knew full well what she was getting herself into.
**Perhaps she didn't, but she at least had a vague idea.
She could have had known nothing at all about sex and still make the correct chioce. I feel sorry for any one that lets that happen to themselves willingly, regardless of age.
@ yokaiforte: Really? I knew the basics when I was like…..7-7 1/2. I didn't learn anything form adults until much later however.**
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@ yokaiforte: Really? I knew the basics when I was like…..7-7 1/2. I didn't learn anything form adults until much later however.
Yeah. We learned about puberty at 10 years, but all I thought about it was "Ok, teenagers change in their bodies, alright." I think it was the same with 11th grade.