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Zar

@Count:

That's exactly what makes Coby's character portrayal so tragic though! Coby has had the biggest growth spurt (literally lol) throughout the series. His post-timeskip self might even be stronger than early pre-timeskip Luffy now. And yet he's doomed to always be eclipsed by how far the other characters have grown and look practically powerless. I can't think of a more hilarious way to present a long-term character, especially when characters like Usopp manage to find a way to still look relevantly competitive in their specific skillsets. XD The Marineford moment was great though, don't get me wrong.

I wish that G5 was actually made up of even a single character I could give a damn about so that Smoker's willingness to sacrifice himself actually felt like it really meant something besides generic heroic badassery.

This is what bothers me the most about his character, actually. I liked him in the first chapters but after that his sudden growth spurt feels unnatural even by Oda's standards. And he's bound to be really strong in the New World, I'm worried Oda won't be able to make that strength feel earned. Even characters like Bellamy (I love when that thread makes you realize new things about characters) you know they faced some hardships and their growth makes sense. With Coby I'm not sure that'll happen.
Obviously I might be wrong, maybe Oda will give us a good Coby flashback showing his resolve and training, but I don't have my hopes up.

Bellamy_

@desa:

I don't like gear fourth being both faster than gear second(The speed he used to bitch slap Doffly at the start) and stronger than gear 3(that last punch that destroyed part of the city).

I always used to love that each gear bring his specific advantage. They were power ups compare to Luffy's base form but not compared to each other. They were different skillset that Luffy was to choose from. Now they are simply lower transformation that has to be used due to Luffy not mastering the new one yet.

Thats what my last question was in "question that dont deserve…" in DR it looked like it was a mix, but it is exactly just in every aspect better than the other two...

KaizokuJinbei

Let's be real here Coby was personally trained by Garp so his quick growth isn't that surprising.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@desa:

I don't like gear fourth being both faster than gear second(The speed he used to bitch slap Doffly at the start) and stronger than gear 3(that last punch that destroyed part of the city).

I always used to love that each gear bring his specific advantage. They were power ups compare to Luffy's base form but not compared to each other. They were different skillset that Luffy was to choose from. Now they are simply lower transformation that has to be used due to Luffy not mastering the new one yet.

That's usually how the series has worked though, with older techniques being eclipsed with newer, more effective ones. We rarely see Luffy using regular attacks anymore unless he's fighting mooks.

Also, most situations only call for a time where he needs to be fast, or strong. Usually if it's both it's against someone extremely powerful. So Gear Second and Gear Third are still quite effective in the right situations, plus I doubt Luffy is ever going to use Gear Fourth nearly as much, even if he overcomes the time limit aspect, as its methods of getting around may not be quite so effective in some situations.

desa

@Kaido:

That's usually how the series has worked though, with older techniques being eclipsed with newer, more effective ones. We rarely see Luffy using regular attacks anymore unless he's fighting mooks.

1- I disagree
2-Even if it is something that was to be expected I still dislike that choice from the author for Luffy's gears.

Also, most situations only call for a time where he needs to be fast, or strong. Usually if it's both it's against someone extremely powerful. So Gear Second and Gear Third are still quite effective in the right situations, plus I doubt Luffy is ever going to use Gear Fourth nearly as much, even if he overcomes the time limit aspect, as its methods of getting around may not be quite so effective in some situations.
Gear 4th is both faster and stronger than gear second and third. Therefore those transformation are just weaker forms. Prior to that gear second and gear third where alternate options since they each brung something different. I dislike that rather than something different gear 4th bring something different.

Kaido King of the Beasts

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Bellamy_

@desa:

1- I disagree
2-Even if it is something that was to be expected I still dislike that choice from the author for Luffy's gears.

Gear 4th is both faster and stronger than gear second and third. Therefore those transformation are just weaker forms. Prior to that gear second and gear third where alternate options since they each brung something different. I dislike that rather than something different gear 4th bring something different.

Well thats pretty much what i also dont like… first after Doffy spoke about it it was like, Gear 2 is fast but it has not enough destructive power and Gear 3 is but not fast enough... there was Gear 4 with ah mix of both... but well its just in every aspect better...

K. Kira XXIII

To put it shortly, I think Gear 4th: Bound Man is focused on Acceleration + Impact. The explosiveness of each attack caused by the bouncing properties of this form enables Luffy to create a much more devastating impact. Gear 3rd at least has not been render completely useless, as we saw Luffy apply that technique on top of Gear 4th increasing the attack power massively. I am unsure if the same could be said for Gear Second.

Anyways, I said I would keep it short for now. To recap:
Gear 2nd: Pure high constant speed
Gear 3rd: Strength enhancer
Gear 4th: Short bursts of acceleration applied throughout the body and applying a string type of force instead of a mass type of force (like gear 3rd.)

Monquito

So, what happens if Sugar turns herself into a toy and then Pudding uses her ability to make her forget that she turned herself into a toy…

desa

@Monquito:

So, what happens if Sugar turns herself into a toy and then Pudding uses her ability to make her forget that she turned herself into a toy…

Assuming she is not immune to her own power and Pudding's work on toy… She would be a free toy since the toys are force to obey her.

MrBits

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Shobu Yoruichi

Can it be that this steel:

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is this one?

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It would be a nice thread for Oda to finally introduce Vegapunk's appareance.

Count Mario

@Shobu:

Can it be that this steel:

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is this one?

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It would be a nice thread for Oda to finally introduce Vegapunk's appareance.

This is a legitimate possibility. It lines up quite nicely with how I predict the Straw Hats to meet the Revolutionaries, Vegapunk, Kuma, and CP0 all in the same arc.

Zar

I'm re-reading the East Blue arc and I noticed this guy in Buggy's cover Story

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Obviously she's a throwaway character, but Oda's good at looking back and making use of previous concepts. Whatever this bird is, maybe Morgans is the same.

Bellamy_

@Count:

This is a legitimate possibility. It lines up quite nicely with how I predict the Straw Hats to meet the Revolutionaries, Vegapunk, Kuma, and CP0 all in the same arc.

Dont forget Sentoumaru…

Count Mario

@Bellamy_:

Dont forget Sentoumaru…

You should tell that to Oda considering how minor his portrayal has been.

Bellamy_

@Count:

You should tell that to Oda considering how minor his portrayal has been.

Thats true and im not a big fan of Sentomaru, but he was first introduced as Vegapunks Bodyguard and as in command of the Marine Science Unit…

Count Mario

@Bellamy_:

Thats true and im not a big fan of Sentomaru, but he was first introduced as Vegapunks Bodyguard and as in command of the Marine Science Unit…

Those titles make his presence in Sabaody all the more noticably bland.

Johnny B. Decent

Also, I know he's based off Kintaro and all, but I just can't take him seriously, since he looks like a big, fat baby.

Bellamy_

@Count:

Those titles make his presence in Sabaody all the more noticably bland.

I literally thought the same after i checked his wiki page out of curiosity… From Vegapunks Bodyguard and in command of the Marine Science Unit to marine officer on Sabaody... but nonetheless i think we will see him in that Arc...

Shobu Yoruichi

How can you forget this moment?

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How they did got to know about the Baratie, for christ' sake!!?

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Ah...

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Guess someone of Mom's crew came to eat there after a mission

Bellamy_

@Shobu:

How can you forget this moment?

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How they did got to know about the Baratie, for christ' sake!!?

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Ah...

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Guess someone of Mom's crew came to eat there after a mission

Well they have a new ship with sanjis wanted poster face on it…

K. Kira XXIII

When Luffy declares he will be pirate king to Big Mom on Fishman Island, Zoro is smiling like a mad man. Pretty funny.

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Count Mario

@K.:

When Luffy declares he will be pirate king to Big Mom on Fishman Island, Zoro is smiling like a mad man. Pretty funny.

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I bet Oda had Zoro in the background just because he's grinning. That's priceless. XD

ShinigamiKing

I'm so upset. If volume 75

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had Doflamingo on the cover instead of Pica, it would have been perfect for the Dressrosa arc (and if they had Bartolomeo too). Either that, or volume 76+ Doflamingo added to it.

In speaking of that, I don't like calling it the Dressrosa saga. I really feel like the overall location of Dressrosa wasn't really important like other arcs. I'd rather go with a character name for a change (Like the Doflamingo Saga, which I think is perfect, or even the Law saga. Or even the Law and Doflamingo Saga).

KageKageKing

@ShinigamiKing:

In speaking of that, I don't like calling it the Dressrosa saga. I really feel like the overall location of Dressrosa wasn't really important like other arcs. I'd rather go with a character name for a change (Like the Doflamingo Saga, which I think is perfect, or even the Law saga. Or even the Law and Doflamingo Saga).

I didn't knew that was a thing. Right now we are at the Pirate Alliance Saga that goes to Punk Hazard until the upcoming Wano.

Katzztar

@Shobu:

How can you forget this moment?

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How they did got to know about the Baratie, for christ' sake!!?

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Ah...

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Guess someone of Mom's crew came to eat there after a mission

Oh nicely done! While remember and laugh at the antics of the Baritie Cooks, its still nice to tie up two events together showing there are reactions to things in past, consequences to openly declaring ties (past or present) to pirates.

Looking on that, it casts a different light on other events (or lack of reactions). It also opens up potential reactions/events in the future.
After all, Baratie isn't the only place/people openly stating connections to the Strawhats.

1- the new Sakura Kingdom's flag and Dr. Kureha's Issi-100's emblem.
[hide] [/hide] The first is obviously a skull & bones even thought the man that used it (Dr. Hiluluk) was never stated to be a pirate, just called a thief.) While the Isshi-100 have "a black flag combining the cross from Chopper's hat with a silhouette of what looks like Hiluluk's hat". (quote from wiki)

2- The kids at Isshin Dojo knew that Zoro went there and Koshiro taught him. So seems that knowledge is public. Some of the kids begged Koshiro to teach them how to be pirates, though he states he won't.

3- Fuusha (Fushia??) Village isn't quiet about Luffy hailing from there. They were openly cheering and having a feast when his bounty after Enies Lobby came out.

4- Even at Cocoyashi Village they are open about connections to Nami.

At any of the these I can see others (enemy pirates, marines, ect.) take note of the connections and cause trouble. While the citizens may love the SHs and not mean to cause any harm to the crew, their being open about the connections invites trouble even if they don't know it, like what has happened with the Baratie. And they could become targets.

Interesting to note is that Usopp's home, Syrup Village in the Gecko Islands may be the safest place out of the SHs homes. The Usopp Pirate boys say the villagers wouldn't believe them about Sogeking being Usopp …. but what if they did but stayed quiet about it due to knowing about pirates and marines?

I mean, they know that Yasopp, Usopp's dad, was a pirate while Usopp grew up in the village. They likely already knew the dangers presented by having pirates coming from/associated with location. As such they knew to try to hush up about connections.
Also interesting to note that Syrup Village seems to isolated. Its on a cliff on the ocean side and seems to be surrounded by mountains. Usopp notes that there are only two ways to enter the village, both hill slopes that lead to the beach. There is a big town, judging by architecture on a cover type of architecture we don't see in the humble village of Syrup Village, that likely is on another side of the Island (or maybe another island in the archipelago altogether)
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beach side approaching Syrup Village

Town on Gecko Islands
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Back in strong world ch. 0 (565.5…which I can't find anywhere now) we see Yasopp noticing Shanks ship and he notes how odd it is to see a ship in that area. This strengthens the idea that Syrup Village is quite isolated and difficult to reach.

ShinigamiKing

@KageKageKing:

I didn't knew that was a thing. Right now we are at the Pirate Alliance Saga that goes to Punk Hazard until the upcoming Wano.

If that's the case, then the Pirate Alliance Saga might end up lasting the remainder of the show at this rate. Especially since Law's "I'm just using the strawhats to defeat Doflamingo" thing was resolved.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@ShinigamiKing:

I'm so upset. If volume 75

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had Doflamingo on the cover instead of Pica, it would have been perfect for the Dressrosa arc (and if they had Bartolomeo too). Either that, or volume 76+ Doflamingo added to it.

Pica is perfect for the chapters covered within 75 though, given his prevalence within them.

@KageKageKing:

I didn't knew that was a thing. Right now we are at the Pirate Alliance Saga that goes to Punk Hazard until the upcoming Wano.

Some people consider Punk Hazard - Dressrosa a separate saga due to the revelation that Law's main goal was never the Yonko during those arcs, and how they mainly focus on him and the Donquixote Pirates in contrast to Zou and Totto Land. Not to mention the length of those two arcs alone made the Doflamingo focus a significant part of the story.

Monquito

@ShinigamiKing:

If that's the case, then the Pirate Alliance Saga might end up lasting the remainder of the show at this rate. Especially since Law's "I'm just using the strawhats to defeat Doflamingo" thing was resolved.

naah, just wait for the Raftel/One Piece/Throne wars Saga.

KageKageKing

Aren't they still allied and still opposing Kaido?

Kaido King of the Beasts

@KageKageKing:

Aren't they still allied and still opposing Kaido?

Yeah, because Luffy refused to break off the alliance and fought alongside Law, allowing the latter to survive. And Law's cover plot ended up becoming his real one out of necessity.

I mean, the line here is blurrier than it is for most sagas, and you have the right to consider them one story; I wouldn't argue with you there. Other than the "Yonko Saga" which was Shonen Jump hype material the post timeskip hasn't been officially clear cut like pre timeskip

Shobu Yoruichi

Yep, Katzztar, i can't find anymore the Strong World manga chapter too, a nice soul there plez, a link ;)

Btw, another notion that i have an idea but still many doubts is this particular reaction, which is quite new and never saw it being commented:

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Why this happens? Why it only occurs at the first interaction? What happens with the opponents and the surroundings?

Kaido King of the Beasts

@Shobu:

Yep, Katzztar, i can't find anymore the Strong World manga chapter too, a nice soul there plez, a link ;)

Btw, another notion that i have an idea but still many doubts is this particular reaction, which is quite new and never saw it being commented:

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Why this happens? Why it only occurs at the first interaction? What happens with the opponents and the surroundings?

It happens as a result of two Conqueror's Haki users clashing. The reason it was mostly only prevalent in the beginnings of those two battles was because it was the only times where Luffy and his opponent had a full-powered, equal clash. All the other times, their attacks were much briefer and were not successfully countered by the opponent. When Luffy and Doffy locked kicks once more in Chapter 783, the effects were seen again:

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Shobu Yoruichi

@Kaido:

It happens as a result of two Conqueror's Haki users clashing. The reason it was mostly only prevalent in the beginnings of those two battles was because it was the only times where Luffy and his opponent had a full-powered, equal clash. All the other times, their attacks were much briefer and were not successfully countered by the opponent. When Luffy and Doffy locked kicks once more in Chapter 783, the effects were seen again:

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Then, if comes only after an equal clash and a successful counter, why here it does not happen:

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*The lines are sparks.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@Shobu:

Then, if comes only after an equal clash and a successful counter, why here it does not happen:

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*The lines are sparks.

Because Chinjao didn't have a successful counter. He immediately got his head transformed before being blown into the water.

Koliber

@Kaido:

Yeah, because Luffy refused to break off the alliance and fought alongside Law, allowing the latter to survive. And Law's cover plot ended up becoming his real one out of necessity.

I mean, the line here is blurrier than it is for most sagas, and you have the right to consider them one story; I wouldn't argue with you there. Other than the "Yonko Saga" which was Shonen Jump hype material the post timeskip hasn't been officially clear cut like pre timeskip

While I agree that post-TS has more of a continuous story than pre-TS, it's funny how you say that pre-TS has been "officially clear cut" when there are at least two official story divisions (official site and One Piece Green) which differ significantly (i. e. Loguetown, Davy Back and Sabaody are in different sagas according to two sources, Impel Down and Marineford are treated as either one or two sagas).

Shobu Yoruichi

Can the Ninjutsu: I Love You no Jutsu be a burst of Haoshoku?

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Like this scream is helped by another burst

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The same, theorized by this black lines.

Nilitch

Remember the Hercule beetle ? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/235/3

This is what it looks like in real life

Razh

Took me a while to realize I was watching it go doggy style. Thanks, I guess? :ninja:

Keo2309

I was randomly watching One Pace (the fan-edited anime) today, and on a whim picked the first episode. When Higuma shows his bounty to Shanks, he says, "I'm worth 8 million. I'm quite the big shot."

I almost died laughing.
This is irrelevant to any discussion, I just happened to find that hilarious in retrospect.

Count Mario

@Keo2309:

I was randomly watching One Pace (the fan-edited anime) today, and on a whim picked the first episode. When Higuma shows his bounty to Shanks, he says, "I'm worth 8 million. I'm quite the big shot."

I almost died laughing.
This is irrelevant to any discussion, I just happened to find that hilarious in retrospect.

I know. It was so laughable that Shanks felt intimidated by somebody with such a high bounty. Shanks got really lucky when that Sea King took care of Higuma and ate his arm as compensation before leaving out of boredom. Higuma has Yonko level potential.

Plasmalpha

So Daifuku is a human lamp who rubs his stomach and makes a brown/black-looking genie appear.

Daifuku is also minister of beans.

Is he Oda's walking fart joke?

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Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Plasmalpha:

So Daifuku is a human lamp who rubs his stomach and makes a brown/black-looking genie appear.

Daifuku is also minister of beans.

Is he Oda's walking fart joke?

I guess Daifuku has a really "shitty" DF ^^

DollarScholar

I was wondering if one of you true shounen connoisseurs could confirm or deny if Big Mom as a character conforms to any sort well established shounen-Trope? Are ultra-powerful (evil) witches with quirky obsessions a thing in manga culture?

Shobu Yoruichi

@DollarScholar:

I was wondering if one of you true shounen connoisseurs could confirm or deny if Big Mom as a character conforms to any sort well established shounen-Trope? Are ultra-powerful (evil) witches with quirky obsessions a thing in manga culture?

Nah, she's unique. Witches in general or old woman with great power wants to be young once again… she's a character that supressed her innocent side, so that's what makes her more original because she's a 3d supportive character. She's happy, angry and sad... and you know why she's in that state when things occur.

Johnny B. Decent

In the next major OP game, like Pirate Warriors 4 or Burning Blood 2, it'd be kinda neat if there was a bonus character of a what-if of Sanji if he was like his brothers.

Md-Martin

If we do get Caeser flying Capone's body up while the Vinsmokes, Luffy, and Sanji fight the Big Mom Pirates, I'd like to see Nami looking out of the castle/Bege and thank the Vinsmokes, to have all of them all heart eyed in the middle of the battle, and for Sanji to berate them for it.

desa

Since Morgan can be used for cover-ups maybe once the vismokes were assassinated he would have been used to spread the words that the vinsmokes tried to take them down so they had to respond accordingly.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@desa:

Since Morgan can be used for cover-ups maybe once the vismokes were assassinated he would have been used to spread the words that the vinsmokes tried to take them down so they had to respond accordingly.

Pudding said she was gonna alter the memories of everyone at the venue