Jesus christ author, could not make Sarada look like she wants to ride his dick until she's at LEAST sixteen or seventeen? She's like twelve man..come on.
First time reading or looking into japanese fiction?
Jesus christ author, could not make Sarada look like she wants to ride his dick until she's at LEAST sixteen or seventeen? She's like twelve man..come on.
First time reading or looking into japanese fiction?
First time reading or looking into japanese fiction?
Oh this is part and parcel of Japan, but it's still stupid.
that dumb kid managed to be cooler than Boruto has in his two years of existence already
Oh this is part and parcel of Japan, but it's still stupid.
If people want their fictional 12 year old imouto material (with their uncanny valley faces) let them have it.
that dumb kid managed to be cooler than Boruto has in his two years of existence already
What dumb kid?
the one that wasn't boruto
Cho Cho on that color page looks like a JoJo character lol.
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…..what?
So THAT was the solution. We just needed to call the fucking cops on Sasuke.
God dammit..
Who is the mod who's always changing the threads' titles ? I'm always being fooled by those titles. Every. single. time.
Curious, I caught myself up on this.
I wasn't happy about how Naruto ended, as a fan–how can a series this long only have like three good arcs?–but at least I was satisfied that Naruto achieved his dream and got to raise a family. Having seen the movie, I even thought it made perfect sense that he would be an awkward, workaholic dad as Hokage. But I think a really good point about sequels to long series was brought up these past few pages: sometimes you just want your heroes to enjoy their happy ending, and it can betray reader expectations if you go back on that to make a sequel where it seems so much of that will be undone.
And for what? Creepy Sarada fetish art? Pass.
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…..what?
Just a reminder that Tobirama was right.
sometimes you just want your heroes to enjoy their happy ending, and it can betray reader expectations if you go back on that to make a sequel where it seems so much of that will be undone.
This is actually my main issue with The Force awakens.
Worst offender in cinema of this was Alien 3 IMO.
any horror movie sequel that kills off a survivor, really
Worst offender in cinema of this was Alien 3 IMO.
I'll see your Alien 3 and raise you a Halloween Resurrection.
This is actually my main issue with The Force awakens.
Expanded Universe was no better.
…But I think a really good point about sequels to long series was brought up these past few pages: sometimes you just want your heroes to enjoy their happy ending, and it can betray reader expectations if you go back on that to make a sequel where it seems so much of that will be undone.
Yeah I had very much the same feeling after doing some reading on the Naruto wiki to try and figure out the new Bolt expanded universe:
! According to one article on the wiki there's an adult Bolt manga? And the first chapter has him like, facing off with some weird, alien looking, generic Shounen villain who apparently alludes to Naruto having been killed or something? And it's just like… sigh. Regardless of your feelings towards the character and the 700+ chapter original series, couldn't we just leave the grinning, orange jump-suited asshole alone after all he got dragged through for ratings and let him have his happy ending of world peace and love? Did we really need to kill him off and add even more super powered, world destroying villains to the superhero "ninja" universe? Fuck the man get's a better happily ever after in all the erotic doujins where he's the hokage that inexplicably bangs all the women in the Narutoverse :ninja:. At least hentai Naruto hasn't got a shitty, bratty son retreading his early character arc shittily. :/
Although it's been a while since I read that article on the wiki, so I might be misremembering the details. Or it might all have been bullshit. I should probably check that…but I won't :/
Worst offender in cinema of this was Alien 3 IMO.
Oh god. I remember marathoning the first two last year and looking up what happens in the third one as I was deciding whether to watch it (I'd heard through the pop culture grape vine that only the first and second ones were any good):
! And then I find out that they just up and killed off Newt :sad:. After all that time in Aliens dedicated to Ripley's motherhood character arc.
It just made me sad.
Needless to say I did not watch Alien 3. Or any of the other ones.
Yup, I just can't understand why the sequel must keep increasing the stakes again and again and screw the developments of the previous series. Can't we just have a more contained, less apocalyptic, more down to earth series focusing on characters that don't look exactly like the main characters of the previous manga? That's something I'd really like as a One Piece sequel, actually. Well, maybe not exactly a sequel, but more like a prequel or spin off. Something revolving around a marine character, maybe, going about his daily missions fighting random mountain bandits or pirates with bounties of 5 million in some far away corner of west blue or something. Lots of comedy and typical OP absurdity. Some references to the main plot here and there, to make it feel connected. A feeling like back in East Blue. With lower stakes, more relaxed tones. That'd be cool. Something akin to what Vigilante is compared to My Hero Academia. Boruto had the chance to be that, but it was screwed as soon as it was focused on, well, Boruto.
At the very least. I'd like a villain that isn't tied to ninja stuff. I thought that when they introduced the Samurai we'd get more variety. And people that enjoyed wearing closed toed shoes lol.
Or even just non specialty class people that are awesome. We need more Sokkas.
At the very least. I'd like a villain that isn't tied to ninja stuff. I thought that when they introduced the Samurai we'd get more variety. And people that enjoyed wearing closed toed shoes lol.
Or even just non specialty class people that are awesome. We need more Sokkas.
Basically Iruka or Ebisu:ninja:
Basically Iruka or Ebisu:ninja:
They still got to be classified as ninja despite being pointless lol. So they don't count.
At the very least. I'd like a villain that isn't tied to ninja stuff
We did get aliens though
We did get aliens though
But they still had ninja powers. Or were the originators of said ninja powers. Doesn't count.
Well shit that only leaves the guy that runs Ichiraku…..and we already have enough mangas that revolve around food as is and you can't do the Samurai for obvious reasons.
Well shit that only leaves the guy that runs Ichiraku…..and we already have enough mangas that revolve around food as is and you can't do the Samurai for obvious reasons.
I just want an uprising of regular humans not trained in anything chakra or ninjaish. Non-ninjas nearly all almost died for reasons caused by the ninjas and nijnja aliens. I need an anti-bender type organization.
Ninja have trading cards, so they have better PR than Benders. Not going to happen.
Ninja have trading cards, so they have better PR than Benders. Not going to happen.
You can still have people against them.
No, the ninja overlords use the cards to track and kill dissenters.
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The naruto world is too weird. We have meet like 3-7 non-chakra users, the 5 daimiyos, the ramen guy, and the bridge engineer and his family. Oh and the asshole that Zabuza decapitates.
Without knowing what this "non ninjas" are or do, we can't know if they are an issue. Like if the first few ninja wars never got into civilian casualties, or at least to non ninja cities, wich is unlikely but possible as Konoha just SPRANG to life less than 300 years ago and managed to get the nation of fire to work with them, then the general population first contact was the tree. And then nothing.
Seriously, without the Daimiyos I'd be inclined to belive that there are no regular cities, only ninja cities and dumb ninjaless villages.
Last few episodes have been a bit weird. But it looks like this arc is ending at least. I kinda wanted Mitsuki to just kill her lol. Or for the girl to be actually evil. Something other than Boruto being the village therapist.
Just saw that one sarada color page and wow. They look like hookers. Author clearly is loli fan.
Looks like they're animating that Sarada and her daddy issues arc.
I had almost forgotten how stupid everyone is in it lol.
Sarada unnecessarily rude to Sakura. Saukra unnecessarily evasive. Sasuke being a dead beat. Sarada being dumb about the glasses thing, kids don't always have the same eyesight as their parents. And Sauke could have passed on lame eyeball genes from abusing his hax powers. Sakura for some reason not knowing if Sasuke wore glasses. Which is like the most moronic thing. She was stupidly obsessed with him. Why would she not remember that? Also why wpuld Sarada not know if her dad had the Sharingan? Everyone fails this arc.
I feel like Sarada is appropriately rude to Sakura who after all these years has told her absolutely nothing. When she has to go to the library to find out something about the Uchiha there is a problem. Also i.sometimes forget how non existent Sasuke is as a parent, he might as well be dead to his family
Ah, the trolling of Sakura arc.
Bring it on.
I feel like Sarada is appropriately rude to Sakura who after all these years has told her absolutely nothing. When she has to go to the library to find out something about the Uchiha there is a problem. Also i.sometimes forget how non existent Sasuke is as a parent, he might as well be dead to his family
having to have those 2 as your parents should be enough to force any child to become a series villain
But it's weird either way. Why did she wait so long to even ask about Sasuke? Even minor stuff? Also it's still pathetic that Sakura didn't have a picture with herself and Sasuke. Placing two different pictures together to look like a couple is stalker stuff. Are they really married? Sasuke and Sakura deserve each other. So pathetic. I feel like Sasuke didn't even look at Sakura during probably the only time they had sex.
Sasuke really should have just been erased from all records if he was going to be nonexistent to his "friends and family."
I feel like Sarada is appropriately rude to Sakura who after all these years has told her absolutely nothing. When she has to go to the library to find out something about the Uchiha there is a problem. Also i.sometimes forget how non existent Sasuke is as a parent, he might as well be dead to his family
Well sure if he had gotten killed earlier/later in the story instead of everyone in his family.
Sakura for some reason not knowing if Sasuke wore glasses. Which is like the most moronic thing. She was stupidly obsessed with him. Why would she not remember that?
Guess she don't understand how red herrings work or how badly whoever wrote that set it up to make her look bad…...not that needed to committ to such a roundabout act.
The only things that I remember from the Salad arc is Naruto being a crap dad, endless fat jokes, and Voldemaru being let completely off the hook, to continue his unholy body-snatching experiments
It actively vexes me when Naruto gets called a bad father. Boruto's biggest gripe is "Waaa my stupid dad isn't spending time with me or Himari like he used to instead he's just sending a stupid shadow clone that has the exact same thoughts and feelings as the origional just it goes poof when attacked just because he's busy being president' BOI look across the street at homeless unsure if adopted but certainly abandoned Sarada and appreciate your dad.
It actively vexes me when Naruto gets called a bad father. Boruto's biggest gripe is "Waaa my stupid dad isn't spending time with me or Himari like he used to instead he's just sending a stupid shadow clone that has the exact same thoughts and feelings as the origional just it goes poof when attacked just because he's busy being president' BOI look across the street at homeless unsure if adopted but certainly abandoned Sarada and appreciate your dad.
That's my issue too. Hinata needs to stress that this was Naruto's dream when he was a shunned orphan. Also that it's really friggin important. Stop being an asshole about it and causing more problems.
The weirdest thing about all the Bolt shit for me is that, if you accept the premise that Bolt was written as a shit to broadly recreate the early character arc of Naruto (which is why the arc is undertaken by the kid who looks like Naruto), then to me it seems to suggest that Naruto carries within himself some sort of inherent tendency towards acting out, being rude, rebellious and so on. Which then makes it seem like his early behaviour in his own story was incidental to his difficult upbringing. Like, regardless of his circumstances, if things in his life had been even the slightest bit difficult he'd have blown them up into a huge deal in order to (consciously or not) justify his ass behaviour.
It actively vexes me when Naruto gets called a bad father. Boruto's biggest gripe is "Waaa my stupid dad isn't spending time with me or Himari like he used to instead he's just sending a stupid shadow clone that has the exact same thoughts and feelings as the origional just it goes poof when attacked just because he's busy being president' BOI look across the street at homeless unsure if adopted but certainly abandoned Sarada and appreciate your dad.
I actually think it is a legitimate criticism when you flip the clone thing around. 99% of what we've seen the Hokage collectively do throughout the series is paperwork. They coordinate missions, assign, see over Village stuff, and seem to act as both commander-in-chief and regular political leaders for their village. All things that Naruto can do with his Shadow Clones.
I'm honestly more miffed that his Shadow Clones don't automatically solve this problem. There's no reason why there should be such a large amount of work that Naruto, who can produce thousands of clones, cannot finish his work without being completely exhausted. The clone he sent to his daughter's birthday dinner poofed away because the real Naruto was exhausted from work in his office. There's no excuse why he can't have his clones do work while he naps for 20 minutes.
It's literally the most useful ability for any average working class real world person, and Naruto fucks up so hard he can't even do it properly.
Yeah, they completely overblow Boruto's reaction to it. Compared to the shit Naruto had to deal with, it's nothing. However to a child, it's a different story. It's the journey of Boruto maturing and learning that his dad works hard for the village, he can't shortcut it to get to his level by cheating. But if you're 12, your dad is this awesome figure you look up, you're going to naturally be a bit resentful when he starts spending little-to-no time with his whole family. And then, rather than sending the clone to do work to spend a night for his daughter's birthday, he chooses to do paperwork while the clone spends time with his family.
If they showed Naruto doing important Hokage shit, then it would be a different story. If that clone poofed, dropped the cake, and then cut to the real Naruto fighting an army by himself or on some undercover ninja mission, it makes sense. When it's him choosing to do payroll rather than celebrate his daughter's birthday when he has the option, it's just poor time management.
I guess that's Naruto's real weakness, he can't learn more jutsu than Rasengan and Shadow Clones, and also can't build a healthy work schedule.
Yeah, they completely overblow Boruto's reaction to it. Compared to the shit Naruto had to deal with, it's nothing. However to a child, it's a different story. It's the journey of Boruto maturing and learning that his dad works hard for the village, he can't shortcut it to get to his level by cheating. But if you're 12, your dad is this awesome figure you look up, you're going to naturally be a bit resentful when he starts spending little-to-no time with his whole family. And then, rather than sending the clone to do work to spend a night for his daughter's birthday, he chooses to do paperwork while the clone spends time with his family.
Wait, I'm confused. I don't actually follow this shit very closely, but he has two kids right? Why isn't the other kid a mopey, bratty little shit? Or is she, and I just haven't seen it or seen it talked about? I ask this because to shift the blame of Bolt's shittiness from his character to his circumstance it seems like you have imply a sort of universality to the effects of that circumstance. And that falls apart if a different child, to the exact same parents, is in almost the exact same circumstances and doesn't react the same way. Or maybe I'm reading this wrong :/
Wait, I'm confused. I don't actually follow this shit very closely, but he has two kids right? Why isn't the other kid a mopey, bratty little shit? Or is she, and I just haven't seen it or seen it talked about? I ask this because to shift the blame of Bolt's shittiness from his character to his circumstance it seems like you have imply a sort of universality to the effects of that circumstance. And that falls apart if a different child, to the exact same parents, is in almost the exact same circumstances and doesn't react the same way. Or maybe I'm reading this wrong :/
Outside the marketing aspect of her not being a visual clone of Naruto easy to sell, you could rationalize it with her being young and closer to her mother. Boruto's freakout over the cake thing was around his anger for his sister. Obviously he's taking an issue not really about him personally, but he told Naruto earlier not to miss it. He clearly didn't want his sister upset over their Dad not showing for her birthday. Not explicitly stated, but it kind of implies something of a similar level happened to Boruto before.
To put it in perspective, my father worked as a manager of a heating/alarm company for many years. He would leave for work early, and sometimes not come home until I was already asleep when i was younger. That was fairly normal for me. My Dad would quit this job when I was in middle school and opened his own Brewery. During this time, he worked from home for about two years for 2 or 3 days a week. Making business calls, payroll, working with investors etc. My little brother went from barely seeing my dad as a very young child, to seeing him all the time when he came home from school and spending full days with him during the summer. Eventually, his business started doing pretty well and naturally my Dad was busy and out constantly. This is the time my little brother started doing very poorly in school(we now know he has ADHD) and began getting in trouble for doing just all-round dumb things. Just having someone constantly help you with your homework and spending time in general, and then being removed can really shake up a kid's routine.
I never had this problem. There were times when I'd wanna see my Dad, but he was busy. I was young, but old enough to understand that he was doing something that made him happy and it was for the good of our family. My guess is that Himaware is young, she relates closer to her mother, and just doesn't have the angst a 12 year old look-a-like to the guy who's face is on the mountain in their village.
I do wanna end this by stating that despite me trying to rationalize this bullshit, it's still bullshit and Boruto is bad.
Yeah, they completely overblow Boruto's reaction to it. Compared to the shit Naruto had to deal with, it's nothing. However to a child, it's a different story. It's the journey of Boruto maturing and learning that his dad works hard for the village, he can't shortcut it to get to his level by cheating. But if you're 12, your dad is this awesome figure you look up, you're going to naturally be a bit resentful when he starts spending little-to-no time with his whole family. And then, rather than sending the clone to do work to spend a night for his daughter's birthday, he chooses to do paperwork while the clone spends time with his family.
Outside the marketing aspect of her not being a visual clone of Naruto easy to sell, you could rationalize it with her being young and closer to her mother. Boruto's freakout over the cake thing was around his anger for his sister. Obviously he's taking an issue not really about him personally, but he told Naruto earlier not to miss it. He clearly didn't want his sister upset over their Dad not showing for her birthday. Not explicitly stated, but it kind of implies something of a similar level happened to Boruto before.
Right. But my point was that your first post was suggestive (and i've put that in italics as I want to emphasise that it may not have been your actual intent) of a universality to Bolt's response to his father's absence. If you have to rationalise away explanations for why people that meet the same basic criteria (i.e. are children, have an absentee parent that was previously more present) don't have the same response you necessarily can't really claim that the response is universal (i.e. expected as a response to given circumstances).
…I've probably expressed that poorly. Basically what I'm saying is that if you're willing to accept that the same circumstance can produce different responses in different people then the cause of the observed outcome (in this case Bolt's shittiness) shifts from the circumstance to the nature of the person involved. There's nothing "naturally" about Bolt's response, as you can see in the fact that his sister, in very similar circumstances, doesn't respond the same way. It's just him. The reason I'm trying to make this distinction is that I'd say it's reasonable for a child to have any number of possible responses to Naruto's behaviour: jealousy, anger, resentment, indifference, understanding, empathy, support etc. So I wouldn't say the circumstance of Naruto's absence, on its own, makes him a bad parent just because Bolt reacts poorly to it. What would (and might -as I've said I haven't been following this too closely-) probably make him a bad parent is if he knew that his son was responding negatively to his absence and willfully decided to ignore it out of indifference to his son's feelings. Or if he wasn't willfully ignorant of them but didn't think it worth taking the time to try and help his son understand why things need to be the way they are. And they do need to be that way (that way being he sends his clones to family gatherings and so on). By showing Naruto choosing to behave in the way he does the author is likely trying to convey either: 1) it needs to be done the way it is, or 2) Naruto's an asshole who does things the way he does out of indifference. You can't really infer that because Naruto could seemingly have clones do paperwork that therefore he must be an asshole. Because that ignores the fact that this a story told by a fallible human being for whom certain questions might not have occurred. It's equally possible (and in my opinion I'd say more probable) that in the mind of the author Naruto has to do the paperwork as his actual self and that the reason why just hasn't been explicated, either to the reader or even in the mind of the author in question. Which just makes the author a not particularly good one. In my opinion.
Right. But my point was that your first post was suggestive (and i've put that in italics as I want to emphasise that it may not have been your actual intent) of a universality to Bolt's response to his father's absence. If you have to rationalise away explanations for why people that meet the same basic criteria (i.e. are children, have an absentee parent that was previously more present) don't have the same response you necessarily can't really claim that the response is universal (i.e. expected as a response to given circumstances).
…I've probably expressed that poorly. Basically what I'm saying is that if you're willing to accept that the same circumstance can produce different responses in different people then the cause of the observed outcome (in this case Bolt's shittiness) shifts from the circumstance to the nature of the person involved. There's nothing "naturally" about Bolt's response, as you can see in the fact that his sister, in very similar circumstances, doesn't respond the same way. It's just him. The reason I'm trying to make this distinction is that I'd say it's reasonable for a child to have any number of possible responses to Naruto's behaviour: jealousy, anger, resentment, indifference, understanding, empathy, support etc. So I wouldn't say the circumstance of Naruto's absence, on its own, makes him a bad parent just because Bolt reacts poorly to it. What would (and might -as I've said I haven't been following this too closely-) probably make him a bad parent is if he knew that his son was responding negatively to his absence and willfully decided to ignore it out of indifference to his son's feelings. Or if he wasn't willfully ignorant of them but didn't think it worth taking the time to try and help his son understand why things need to be the way they are. And they do need to be that way (that way being he sends his clones to family gatherings and so on). By showing Naruto choosing to behave in the way he does the author is likely trying to convey either: 1) it needs to be done the way it is, or 2) Naruto's an asshole who does things the way he does out of indifference. You can't really infer that because Naruto could seemingly have clones do paperwork that therefore he must be an asshole. Because that ignores the fact that this a story told by a fallible human being for whom certain questions might not have occurred. It's equally possible (and in my opinion I'd say more probable) that in the mind of the author Naruto has to do the paperwork as his actual self and that the reason why just hasn't been explicated, either to the reader or even in the mind of the author in question. Which just makes the author a not particularly good one. In my opinion.
I understand what you're saying. You're absolutely right, at the end of it, it is Boruto's reaction. Not Naruto's. It just comes off as bad on Naruto's part though, when he easily can fill his child's basic request. It's literally him being bad at time management. Yeah, Boruto's reaction really isn't Naruto's fault in the sense that it's not like he something like hit his wife or kid. He didn't do something that naturally gathers a negative reaction. It's him spending time doing his job which is running a village that's economy depends primarily on the assignments ninja take on.
I blame Naruto because the solution for him is to use his trademark ability to do his work for him while he eats some cake with his daughter and son. Like i said, the issue wouldn't bother me on Naruto's end if he actually had important work to do. But we literally saw him doing paperwork instead.
For someone with an infinite amount of Chakra, a signature ability to create clones of himself, and a childhood without a family it just comes off shitty that he makes the conscious decision to sit in an office and fill out forms rather than take an evening off.
Ironically, it may rationalize my main criticism with Naruto's upbringing, which is the fact that Hiruzen barely looked after the kid. At least we know some of the stuff he had to deal with during his tenure(like the Uchiha coup) to somewhat rationalize why he wouldn't raise Naruto. But even then, knowing that the majority of the village looked at Naruto as the 9 Tails, he chose to give the kid his own apartment and leave him on his own, rather than try and discipline him(or at least convince Jiraiya to).
I understand what you're saying. You're absolutely right, at the end of it, it is Boruto's reaction. Not Naruto's. It just comes off as bad on Naruto's part though, when he easily can fill his child's basic request. It's literally him being bad at time management. Yeah, Boruto's reaction really isn't Naruto's fault in the sense that it's not like he something like hit his wife or kid. He didn't do something that naturally gathers a negative reaction. It's him spending time doing his job which is running a village that's economy depends primarily on the assignments ninja take on.
I blame Naruto because the solution for him is to use his trademark ability to do his work for him while he eats some cake with his daughter and son. Like i said, the issue wouldn't bother me on Naruto's end if he actually had important work to do. But we literally saw him doing paperwork instead.
For someone with an infinite amount of Chakra, a signature ability to create clones of himself, and a childhood without a family it just comes off shitty that he makes the conscious decision to sit in an office and fill out forms rather than take an evening off.
Ironically, it may rationalize my main criticism with Naruto's upbringing, which is the fact that Hiruzen barely looked after the kid. At least we know some of the stuff he had to deal with during his tenure(like the Uchiha coup) to somewhat rationalize why he wouldn't raise Naruto. But even then, knowing that the majority of the village looked at Naruto as the 9 Tails, he chose to give the kid his own apartment and leave him on his own, rather than try and discipline him(or at least convince Jiraiya to).
Yeah I understand all that, but the point you're making about Naruto and his clone use ability is one I was kinda attempting to pre-empt a response to with the last part of my post. Because like, the thing you are saying is straightforward. Like really straightforward. Like, really really really really really straightforward. Straightforward to the point that Naruto's refusal to utilise his abilities, as we understand them (and that's an important distinction), makes him look like either a jackass or an absolute moron. But (again obviously) Naruto isn't a person. So you can absolutely play the game of "imagine Naruto as a fully realised agent in the world of the Narutoverse acting under his own power and understanding as he is shown to us to act" and have that form the basis of his person and character like you would in our real world. But if you do that you are creating your own frustration by willfully ignoring that that isn't how it works. Naruto acts at the whims of the author. Unless it is shown to us in the presentation of the story that the intent is for Naruto to come across like a massive jackass or a massive moron then the answer to your question of why he doesn't just have the clones do the work is that there's likely a reason he can't, in the head of the author, that hasn't been made clear in the story they are telling. When a character that is supposed to be intelligent or thoughtful acts in a way that is blatantly at odds with those traits, but the story doesn't acknowledge them as such, I'd say it's safer to assume that's because the author doesn't realise the contradiction. Because again, Naruto isn't a person. His behaviour is fixed by the abilities of the person that writes him. And some writers are bad at writing characters, or at thinking through the ramifications of the nature of their fictional world on the types of paint-by-numbers tropes of character conflict they want to import into their stories.
I thought Naruto explained why he doesn't use his clones to do his job in.the first place. Something like it's too important. Which makes sense if he has meetings with important people. But then again he's still swamped with mountains of paperwork, which he should be using multiple clones for. It's a massive waste of time and honestly Naruto should have been able to come to that conclusion by now on his own. His clones retain everything they learn don't they? It's really not a double edged sword ability if you have an infinite chakra battery.
I thought Naruto explained why he doesn't use his clones to do his job in.the first place. Something like it's too important. Which makes sense if he has meetings with important people. But then again he's still swamped with mountains of paperwork, which he should be using multiple clones for. It's a massive waste of time and honestly Naruto should have been able to come to that conclusion by now on his own. His clones retain everything they learn don't they? It's really not a double edged sword ability if you have an infinite chakra battery.
Exactly. And I can fully get the "the Hokage is a sacred duty blah blah, I need to do it not a clone bla bla" stuff. The issue is that in that moment it's being contrasted with his family life. Life is about balance. I absolutely understand times when Naruto should be there.
If this birthday thing happened during a Chunin Exam before Boruto was entering, it would make sense. A multi-village event about unity and growth would make it kind of hypocritical for Naruto to blow off with a clone. But here it's his daughter's birthday after Boruto explicitly requested he be there in person for. And then Naruto chose to do paperwork instead.
Maybe I am thinking about this way too hard. But I still think it slightly rationalizes Boruto's angst when he asked his father to do something simple(spend the evening with his sister on her birthday) and he just decided it wasn't more important than office work.
I thought Naruto explained why he doesn't use his clones to do his job in.the first place. Something like it's too important. Which makes sense if he has meetings with important people. But then again he's still swamped with mountains of paperwork, which he should be using multiple clones for. It's a massive waste of time and honestly Naruto should have been able to come to that conclusion by now on his own. His clones retain everything they learn don't they? It's really not a double edged sword ability if you have an infinite chakra battery.
Exactly. And I can fully get the "the Hokage is a sacred duty blah blah, I need to do it not a clone bla bla" stuff. The issue is that in that moment it's being contrasted with his family life. Life is about balance. I absolutely understand times when Naruto should be there.
If this birthday thing happened during a Chunin Exam before Boruto was entering, it would make sense. A multi-village event about unity and growth would make it kind of hypocritical for Naruto to blow off with a clone. But here it's his daughter's birthday after Boruto explicitly requested he be there in person for. And then Naruto chose to do paperwork instead.
Maybe I am thinking about this way too hard. But I still think it slightly rationalizes Boruto's angst when he asked his father to do something simple(spend the evening with his sister on her birthday) and he just decided it wasn't more important than office work.
…Ok I like to think I've offered an alternate possible explanation for Naruto's behaviour that doesn't depend on him being an absolute dipshit of the highest possible caliber. But that explanation has been ignored so I can only assume that I'm not being entirely clear in what I'm trying to say. So I'll try again, but this time I'd like to frame it in the form of a question:
Your framing of this question is essentially one of treating everything outside of the story (in this case the abilities of the author of the work in question) as irrelevant. The Narutoverse contains all that which is cannon, and all the characters are fully realised people who behave in ways consistent with people who have lived their entire lives in this world. So, fine.
My question is, assuming that Naruto is a reasonable person of reasonable intelligence (and I don't think that's an unfair assumption given he's the freakin Hokage) who has lived his whole life, minute by minute by minute, making thousands of decisions about how he behaves and solves problems with the tools available to him as a regular human and as a wizard ninja (including the fundamentally basic tool of cloning himself), what would your reasonable explanation be for why he wouldn't use his clones in all of the ways that you guys (who have inhabited the Naruto world cumulatively for what, the equivalent of a day? 24 hours of cumulative time reading the entire Naruto series doesn't seem too outlandish) have been able to pick out as being blatantly obvious?
And I think the time Naruto would feasibly have spent (something like 30+ years) in his Naruto world is really important when answering this question. Because just imagine all of the tools that are available to you in your world. Literally all of them. From the separate (vehicles, phones, computes) to the internal (limbs, eyes, ears etc). These are tools you use to solve problems and make decisions constantly. Therefore you probably would find it not just odd but almost insane if you heard of a person who, having been in possession of a fully functioning car for a decade, was, for no explained reason, completely and constantly incapable of figuring out how they might move themselves down the road to get some milk. Or someone who when sat at a table always ends up complaining loudly to the people around them that they can't move closer to them a glass on the table that is within arm's reach. Because the solutions to these problems are sooooo very easy when you spend literally your entire life with these tools available and using them to solve countless problems, day in and day out, that the constant inability to to utilise them under a really basic circumstance would probably qualify you for some sort of madness. And to me it seems like that's what you guys are saying when you simultaneously refuse to acknowledge any sort of poor world building as an explanation and then try to play off Naruto's inability to figure out how to use clones as just this kind of silly thing. If you believe the first point, the second point would have to make him an absolute moron. And everyone else in the village complete and total morons too, for letting someone so completely incapable of utilising the basic tools at their disposal to solve the most basic of problems be their leader. My explanation, that doesn't require this to be a story deliberately told about a collective group of morons, is to assume that this disconnect is a result of poor writing. But I'm interested to see how other people seek to explain it reasonably.
Your framing of this question is essentially one of treating everything outside of the story (in this case the abilities of the author of the work in question) as irrelevant. The Narutoverse contains all that which is cannon, and all the characters are fully realised people who behave in ways consistent with people who have lived their entire lives in this world. So, fine.
in canon, there were multiple chapters of Naruto creating a new Jutsu after beginning to train with his clones. Getting weeks, if not months worth of trial-and-error on using Wind Chakra and combining it with the Rasengan. Over 10 years and the Chakra equivalent of hitting the lottery twice later, he uses his clones to go to his daughter birthday while he works.
There really isn't a logical explanation for continuously showing how tired he is after working, when he has the Shadow Clones to use. At the end of the day it's just bad writing to create a reason for Boruto to be upset. I still stand by my opinion that Naruto is 100% in the wrong there because Boruto brings up the matter before it happened. You can take a step back and think "man, Naruto is an idiot for not using his clones to work for a little while" but that's not how the movie frames it. Sure, we can think that. But the movie frames it as a legitimate issue Boruto has with his Dad to try and justify why he cheats and at the end of the day, they don't really address it. Boruto's concern over this particular incident is overshadowed by the plot of him working hard, creating that Rasengan, and being a bit closer with Naruto.
Kishimoto is great at world building, but he needed to create tension between the two and wrote a bad justification, side stepping his own lore.
It sure has hell wouldn't be the first time he decided to just write something to make it relevant at that moment, even if it raises more questions than it should. He retconned the white Zetsu's into people transformed by Infinite Tsukuyomi after stating that they were attempted clones of the first Hokage. Doesn't explain why they would be mistaken as such, or why the Zetsu's could be used for stuff like making Naruto an arm or giving Hashirama faces to people. But, Kishimoto decided to just tie it in to the Kaguya stuff for some odd reason.
Or when we find out Black Zetsu has been around much longer than Madara, despite showing us Black Zetsu's creation like a year earlier. They just don't acknowledge why or how Madara could "create" Black Zetsu, who was around and screwing with the Ninja World. But, he wanted to make it relevant to his Kaguya plot so screw established stuff.
He's already shown Shinobi using their abilities for mundane things, that's why it comes off to me as a legitimate concern of Boruto's. Yamato was using his Wood Jutsu to rebuild the village after Pain's attack. Naruto uses his to play hooky from his daughter's birthday so he can do paperwork himself.