I loved the first Avengers film when I saw it in theaters, but after a while in hindsight, I don't really care for it that much. It's still funny and entertaining as an action/popcorn flick in its own right, but… Honestly, what was the plot even about? It was pretty much Loki coming to Earth to rule with an overly complicated plan that involved trolling the Avengers constantly out of sheer unnecessary whimsy while the heroes just make wisecracks, have cliche misunderstandings before the inevitable, and just beat up aliens. I can't exactly hold it in a high standard, especially when I know dozens of comic book stories that can be adapted for more memorable and effectual results regarding the story. I give it credit for being the first on-screen movie team-up, but... That's pretty much it.
Movie Confessions Thread
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I liked Death Proof. It was the better movie of the double features for me while that other one, I can't even bother to remember the name of, was terrible.
I liked the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Michael Bay movie). I also liked his first and third Transformers movies.
The Departed and No Country for Old Men are overrated.
While Rat Race and Honey, I Shrunk the Kids are very much underrated.
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On the subject of unpopular opinions:
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On the subject of unpopular opinions:
What is that dude smoking leel. I was trying to type up some more stuff in response, but it's hard to take him seriously when he says that the movie isn't a proper allegory for race cause the animal species look different. Then he says that the movie won't preach to anyone, but that it's also preachy. No movie's above criticism, but the criticism should make sense.
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On the subject of unpopular opinions:
Wait. Hotdiggedydemon?! I know he is some kind of a dick, but….Holy shit.
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The Godfather films are perfect movies. Acting, dialogue, pacing, cinematography, music. Perfect films. But I can't get into them. The mobster element.
…...........I don't know too many people who liked that lol.
Tim Curry rocked, yo.
But then he's often the best part in anything he does.
I didn't like the Princess Bride because of one character. The other characters were quite likeable and their banter were great!
Buttercup was such an annoying, stupid & unlikeable character. She was the archetype of a useles damsel in distress.
Seeing how she's one of the main character, it's really hard to ignore her and it affect my view on the movie.Buttercup is supposed to be unlikeable. The author of the book (and screenwriter for the film) at the very ends says their love was extremely shallow and based on a bit of flirting from when they were young, they hadn't really interacted in years, and that she's spoiled and terrible and that Westley would end up hating her once her looks faded in a few years. (And also be hunted for the rest of their lives… and Inigo probably died shortly afterward.)
Seriously. That's actually in the book.
@Daz:
I don't recall disliking her, but I don't have any particular attachment to the movie either. I only watched it relatively recently, and I think I over-hyped it in my mind beforehand; watching it, I kept thinking "Really? Why is this such a big deal?". I think the first time I laughed was when Zorro rolled down the hill, and I started approaching the film more as a screwball comedy after that, and enjoyed it more. But the movie never completely gelled for me. In terms of similar movies, Stardust was much more my jam.
I actually read the book first. And even though it was a comedy, I read it completely straight and took it as a serious adventure story and it was badass with great characters and it defied tropes and expectations at every turn.
Then I saw the movie where they played it as comedy instead of playing it straight. Same dialogue, but they played it silly. ANd that changed everything.
I then reread the book a few years later, and it proceeded to be a comedy.
It's a bizarre case where the movie perfectly captures the book while simultaneously not being at all like it.
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Can we include TV shows into this thread too?
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Speed Racer is the only good Wachowski movie made after the first Matrix and quite frankly it's much better than the Matrix.
2001 A Space Odyssey is a slog to get through.
The best Orson Welles movie is Transformers.
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On the subject of unpopular opinions:
Huh, they were sharing it on the Zootopia thread on TVTropes, and somebody went and debunked his points hah:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13761136140A44272400&page=127#3158
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13761136140A44272400&page=127#3161
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I also liked his first and third Transformers movies.
Well hey, I think the first Transformers is actually a good, decent movie. Fun fact, when I first saw that movie, I thought it was so good that it should have won an Oscar.
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I tolerate the Bayformers movies at this point because without them Animated and (probably) the IDW comics would never have happened. And they do have some small good bits to them (Leonard Nimoy continuing the proud tradition of Sentinel Primes being assholes, Hobo With Shotgun Megatron, holy shit fucking Lockdown was in a movie.)
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Escape From LA is my guilty pleasure. i like it, but not as much as the first movie.
The First Gundam compilation movies are boring. the high amounts of dialogue in them killed the pacing
Reservoir Dogs is not nearly as good as Pulp Fiction.
@Robby:The Godfather films are perfect movies. Acting, dialogue, pacing, cinematography, music. Perfect films. But I can't get into them. The mobster element.
No judgment here, but can you elaborate on that please? is it a "i hate the sensationalizing of criminals" thing?
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AKIRA is a wonderful piece of animation but a horrible adaptation of the source material to the detriment of the whole experience
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No judgment here, but can you elaborate on that please? is it a "i hate the sensationalizing of criminals" thing?
Not so much the sensationalizing, I just can't empathize with them. Once they're murdering people and delivering horse heads its just hard to get behind any of them.
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I watch clue like every two months or so. It never gets old. Hell in general i watch alot of movies over and over again, like singing in the rain, rocky horror, friday, buck privates, abbott and costello meet X, groundhog day, layercake, drunken master, the mummy, demolition man and zack and miri make a porno.
In actual confessions i still find soul plane to be an alright movie. I will now accept your scorn
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Not so much the sensationalizing, I just can't empathize with them. Once they're murdering people and delivering horse heads its just hard to get behind any of them.
Well to be fair most of the people getting killed are terrible people…....minus Apollonia and that prostitute near the end.
In actual confessions i still find soul plane to be an alright movie. I will now accept your scorn
…...Not so scorn so much as who forced you to watch this movie against your will.
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I liked Death Proof. It was the better movie of the double features for me while that other one, I can't even bother to remember the name of, was terrible.
Planet Terror was a hilarious comedy, really, I couldn't stop laughing throughout the whole movie from how ridiculous everything was.
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…...Not so scorn so much as who forced you to watch this movie against your will.
Oh man i remember 15-16 year old me being super stoked about seeing this movie. It had a big PR push in the videostore, it had snoop and method man in it. There was even some titties in the trailer they kept running on a loop. I had no reason to not think this was going to be the next friday. Still pretty much as bad as the actual next friday though.
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Well to be fair most of the people getting killed are terrible people…....minus Apollonia and that prostitute near the end.
not only that but
! michael corleone is met with a very tragic conclusion to his saga in 3. he tries to get out but "they pull back in", and when he does his empire crumbles and his daughter dies. that last scene where she dies is very cathartic, he screams as aloud as he could and cries like a mad man.
goodfellas played off the fact that the characters can't be empathized with, and made them go all out with the heinous acts. it didn't try to rationalize anything they do, which is the perfect way to tell a story about criminals. -
I like all of Michael Bays movies. Are the majority dumb, sure. Do I still have a ton of fun watching them, hell yeah.^^
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@Cyan:
2001 A Space Odyssey is a slog to get through.
I can see why people would find it hard to watch but it's personally my favorite sci-fi movie and just about everything about it is so so good.
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Space Odyssey is disjointed, but I forgive it since the best of its parts are really atmospheric and good. Not all the scenes really fit together besides the theme of advancement I guess.
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I like Space Odyssey for the most part aside from that ending which I felt was Kubrick overcomplicating a sequence of events for the sake of overcomplicating.
Oh it looks artistic but it really is impossible to grasp the astronaut was kidnapped by aliens unless you read the cliffnotes version.
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Here's one: as much as I like Satoshi Kon, I think Paprika is bad and Millennium Actress is boring.
Paprika's confusingly-presented, its characters and character development are messy, and the ending is really weak. All the animation and imagery is cool, but the structure around it is rickety and hampers the movie a whole bunch.
Millenium Actress has some cool ideas that I think were mostly done better in Perfect Blue. The post-modern storytelling is interesting, but I don't see how they add much to the characters or story.
If someone has something else to say to the contrary, I'd like to hear it. I rewatched all the Kon films recently, though, and those were my impressions. Maybe I'm missing something? Perfect Blue is definitely my fave, though.
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@TLC:
I like Space Odyssey for the most part aside from that ending which I felt was Kubrick overcomplicating a sequence of events for the sake of overcomplicating.
Oh it looks artistic but it really is impossible to grasp the astronaut was kidnapped by aliens unless you read the cliffnotes version.
Yeah, the movie focused more on the actual filmmaking side of things more than actually explaining a lot of things as much as they could have been explained. But it was a joint movie-book production so the book is worth reading too just for more in depth stuff that movies really aren't capable of if you want to fit them into a decent run time.
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Yea Kubrick is definitely not a movie-maker that focuses on story and characters as much as his focus and strengths as a director come from his use of cinematic-language, music and editing.
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Here's one: as much as I like Satoshi Kon, I think Paprika is bad and Millennium Actress is boring.
Paprika's confusingly-presented, its characters and character development are messy, and the ending is really weak. All the animation and imagery is cool, but the structure around it is rickety and hampers the movie a whole bunch.
Millenium Actress has some cool ideas that I think were mostly done better in Perfect Blue. The post-modern storytelling is interesting, but I don't see how they add much to the characters or story.
If someone has something else to say to the contrary, I'd like to hear it. I rewatched all the Kon films recently, though, and those were my impressions. Maybe I'm missing something? Perfect Blue is definitely my fave, though.
I liked Paprika but agree it's all over the place.
We all know the best Kon movie is Tokyo Godfathers.
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Here's one: as much as I like Satoshi Kon, I think Paprika is bad and Millennium Actress is boring.
Paprika's confusingly-presented, its characters and character development are messy, and the ending is really weak. All the animation and imagery is cool, but the structure around it is rickety and hampers the movie a whole bunch.
Millenium Actress has some cool ideas that I think were mostly done better in Perfect Blue. The post-modern storytelling is interesting, but I don't see how they add much to the characters or story.
If someone has something else to say to the contrary, I'd like to hear it. I rewatched all the Kon films recently, though, and those were my impressions. Maybe I'm missing something? Perfect Blue is definitely my fave, though.
I think Perfect Blue is one of his weaker films honestly
the themes and such were really bold for their time and remain super relevant today, but the way the movie meanders around with a bunch of substanceless fakeouts drags it down
like there's so much you can do to say "WHOA she's crazy" but the movie mostly does the same thing over and over
the ending was a pretty obvious rushjob too, really "weh" to see everything tie up as cleanly as it did when the rest of the movie is so dirtybut yeah Tokyo Godfathers is A++
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I think Perfect Blue is one of his weaker films honestly
the themes and such were really bold for their time and remain super relevant today, but the way the movie meanders around with a bunch of substanceless fakeouts drags it down
like there's so much you can do to say "WHOA she's crazy" but the movie mostly does the same thing over and over
the ending was a pretty obvious rushjob too, really "weh" to see everything tie up as cleanly as it did when the rest of the movie is so dirtybut yeah Tokyo Godfathers is A++
I agree that the ending was a bad copout that drags it down, but the rest has this really intense feeling brought out by Kon's style of blending reality and fiction, something that shows up in all of his works besides Tokyo Godfathers, that throws you through a loop as much as the main character. It was a really great thriller that has rewatchability and manages to incorporate incoherence into an unsettling narrative. Millennium Actress and Paprika try to work with incoherence, but they really don't match Perfect Blue in that regard. Paranoia Agent does pretty well with it, and Tokyo Godfathers does something else altogether and does it well, but I think Perfect Blue just nails that feeling of confusion without feeling frustrating or truly disjointed.
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Speaking of Perfect Blue, I really, really loate the movie that rips it off heavily, Black Swan.
For one thing, I hated Natalie Portman's character and found her bland as fuck. This is a movie where she sexy cries in the first two minutes for no real reason. I found nothing about her performance engaging.
More egregious was the fact that her character clearly had some severe mental problems that required help but the movie liked to treat her afflictions as something noble and essential for her transformation into the swan aka the greatest ballet dancer in the world and it always drives me nuts when movies do that. There's nothing noble about mental illness, get her some goddamn help. I never saw Perfect Blue but I'm hoping that movie at least framed the craziness as a "bad thing".
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While I didn't outright hated Black Swan, it was a weird movie. There were some parts that were quite awkward. I really don't know what to think about it.
If i remember right, the ballerina has to be both the white & black swan for her role. But the ballet producer think she's too "pure" to be the black swan. The producer prefer another girl to be the black swan instead. So, Natalie's character tried to embrace her "dark" side to get into the black swan role which started her descend into madness.Personally, I don't think the director was trying the ballerina's clear mental illness as a 'noble' thing. I interpret it more as the length some people will go through to be the best even when it took a serious toll on them. I never saw her descend into madness as something great. It started to unnerved me after a while.
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Yeah, I never got the impression that Black Swan really considered it's character's predicament as noble. The feeling you end the movie with isn't 'oh boy I sure do want to psychologically torment myself so I can be good at art!' I'm with SunnyBlue, it felt to me like a story about the price of success and its meaning. By the end of it, it's supposed to leave you wondering just how worthwhile the main character's sacrifices to her health were. Does it really matter if she succeeded in the end, when the cost was so high? Whiplash had similar themes, too, and I'm not sure which handled it better. I liked both when they came out, but I don't think either left a big impression on me.
I don't know how similar I'd call Black Swan to Perfect Blue. I mean sure there's the central conflict of an actress pushing herself in ways that make her uncomfortable, and it having negative impacts on her psyche, but there's more elements at play that fold into each other really well. Also, while Black Swan and Whiplash are focused on their themes and trying to leave you with questions, Perfect Blue is more of a psychological thriller that does have some things to say about the entertainment industry, but they're more on the periphery of the experience.
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Confession: I find Jaws to be an utter bore for a majority of the movie. Great effects when it worked, but dear god was the movie a bore. Yeaaah I know the shark was broken for most of the movie, but I would like to see what Spielberg could do if he ever attempted to remake it (I highly HIGHLY doubt it) with modern technology and animatronics. I feel Jaws could PROBABLY be one of the few movies that produced a decent remake IF they got good actors for it.
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I liked John Carter.
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For a lot of movies that are boring to people, it's purely because you were born after Jaws and Star Wars came out. Editing in general is sooo much faster, attention spans are just different. A great movie can still draw you in, but the pacing on something like Seven Samurai or Ben Hur or Citizen Kane… can just seem really, really slow and dull to a modern audience. (Similarly, the staging an acting of something like Casablanca can seem really off.)
And that's no assault or insult on modern viewers at all... not saying "we're all dummies that just can't appreciate slower stuff"... we've simply come up on much faster MTV editing our entire lives which will inherently affect these things. Even Jaws itself which was one of the game changers, is pretty slow now. Someone in their 40's or 50's is going to have a way better tolerance for Lawrence of Arabia
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I think some of those movies stand up better than others. I think it's most apparent to me with action, where I just think the standards in old school action were better for the most part. There's a lot more clarity and impact because it's so reserved. Granted that I think action's gotten a bit better with fare like MCU and Mad Max: Fury Road bringing some evolution to something that lost its way in the march of technology, stuff like the Seven Samurai still stands out to me in a positive way.
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I prefer the giant squid version of Jaws.
Watching this movie on Sci-Fi at 9 PM when I was five forever instilled a love of cephalopods into me.
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El Rey had a marathon of the four Christopher Reeves Superman films over the weekend.
The first two films, while occasionally hokey in both acting and plot, are widely regarded as classics of their genre and influential to everything that came after while the latter films are condemned as being examples of what happens when too much creative control is handed over to a few people whose visions didn't really match what the viewers were expecting. The plots were all over the place though the acting by some of the major actors usually received quite a bit of praise. While you can't exactly call them good, the second two films aren't terrible. There are far worse superhero films than Superman III and Superman IV; while III did rely too heavily on "comic" relief and cartoonishly evil businessmen, it did do a good job of reflecting the comics it was based on (particularly the Superdickery days of the '60s) and Christopher Reeve was wonderful as always. IV got bogged down in topical political events and hammy villainy as well as a story that was too much like an abridged Superman II but did have elements that remind us why we like the character so much to begin with.
Then, quite a bit later down the road, you had another film that was a semi-rehash/remake of the first two films and that had a backstory that hinged on the main character of the series acting in a way that doesn't really seem in line with his basic nature and the villain from the first half recreating his original scheme via a different process.
Basically, Superman did in five films what Star Wars did in seven; it's just that people didn't work themselves into a frothing hatred of the Salkinds like they did George Lucas to the point that any film would have been an acceptable followup to Superman III and IV. Whether or not it continues from here is a question of whether or not Rogue One's reshoots drag it out of the dreary mess territory that the Superman franchise devolved into after Returns and that Disney actually seems to think it veered into.
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Will we get Kylo Ren screaming "WRONG" out of the new trilogy is the question.
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@Cyan:
Will we get Kylo Ren screaming "WRONG" out of the new trilogy is the question.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! seems much more likely.
That or him singing The Love Cats.
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I despise the Romantic Comedy genre as a whole.
Besides The Revenant, I can't get into any Western film.
Jackie Brown is one of QT's most underrated films.
Inglorious Basterds was overrated, though it had it's moments.
I thought the director's cut version of the 2003 Daredevil film was good.
I hated the film Juno. I felt they tried way too hard with the quirky dialogue.
I didn't mind the Mandarin twist from Iron Man 3, and think the film gets too much of a bad rep for it.
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I've never watched Bladerunner despite owning it on DVD for like 5 years now.
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I hated the film Juno. I felt they tried way too hard with the quirky dialogue.
Agree completely . I tried to give the movie a chance but the forced snark came across so unnatural to me that I turned it off after 15 minutes.
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I don't care too much for 12 Years as a slave. I feel like it didn't approach the topic from a viewpoint that hadn't already been explored in cinema before. A strong 6 to a light 7 in my book.
I don't like Citizen Kane whatsoever. I understand that it is a masterpiece for it's time and that's fine. But it doesn't resonate with me in the slightest in the modern day.
The Exorcist is also a movie I don't care very much for. Again, I'm mindful of the fact that it is highly influential, especially in establishing horror formulas. The Exorcist was still probably the second horror movie I saw in my life, ( my dad was rather adamant of me watching The Shining as my first horror flick ). While I think The Exorcist works fine as a blueprint, I don't think it holds up in the sense that The Shining, Alien or heck… Even The Evil Dead does.
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I hated the film Juno. I felt they tried way too hard with the quirky dialogue.
.I don't usually throw this word around, but Juno was undoubtely a super pretentious movie. If you dislike it because you think it's a snorefest you are bound to invite a legion of people going ''you just don't get it duude… The dialogue... It's so deep''.
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I should probably rewatch it but the Exorcist wasn't really any scarier than any other movie I'd seen. Was kind of let down after hearing all those stories of people fainting in theatres and such when it came out but I guess that was a different time.
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I watched Exorcist few weeks ago, and honestly i found most of it pretty damn funny especially when the "demon" starts cussings. It did have one or two creepy moments but yea from the stories i heard about the movie, i was expecting it to be a really shit-your-pants type movie.
It might have had a real impact back when it came out, but it hasn't aged well.
Now to compare it to Blair-Witch-project, another movie that was a pretty big influential on modern horror movies, was actually pretty damn scary, and had legitly creepy moments. I guess it's due to Blair-Witch creepy atmosphere, and horror comes from the unseen while Exorcist rely on effects, and in-your-face moments to scare.
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As for my movie confession; i never really understood the hype and praise behind Slumdog Millionaire. It was a movie that came out to critical acclaim but i personally found it a bore-fest, and never quite cared about the main character, and his journey. Taare Zameen Par (Stars on Earth) felt like a much much superior movie, and was far more culturally relevant in Indian, and really for everyone than Slumdog.
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I liked The Force Awakens more than the original Star Wars trilogy.
Though that wasn't a very high barrier to cross for me because I really didn't care for the Star Wars trilogy. Granted, I only saw them for the very first time last year, but I wasn't super impressed. Might just be the time factor for me.
Haven't bothered with the prequels.
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I have never seen Up, Wall-E or Big Hero 6.
The first two I just refuse to watch. If people tell me a movie is sad before I see it. I won't watch it aside from Del Toro movies.
Big Hero 6 I wanted to see actually pretty badly but it's never on a streaming service I already pay for.
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I have never seen Up, Wall-E or Big Hero 6.
The first two I just refuse to watch. If people tell me a movie is sad before I see it. I won't watch it aside from Del Toro movies.
Big Hero 6 I wanted to see actually pretty badly but it's never on a streaming service I already pay for.
I hadn't seen Big Hero 6 until two-three months ago. Before then, I always pushed myself to watch it, but something just didn't grab me when it came to the characters or writing from the trailers. After I finally watched it, I think it's just… Alright. I find it quite overrated, personally.
I would argue that Big Hero 6 is sadder than WALL-E though. :ninja:
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Up is sad at the start but it gets better as it progresses.