It hit me when I saw the reunion between Goku and Future Yajirobe, but I would love to see, before Goku returns to the past, Goku meeting Future Chi-Chi, Ox-King, Master Roshi, Oolong, and Puar. We saw a glimpse of them in the History of Trunks special, but I think they would be ecstatic to see Goku (even if it's a Goku from a different timeline) for the first time in about 31 years.
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Basically last episode confirmed Vegeta is the Prince of all Jobber, not even Sanji is that much of a jobber.
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Basically last episode confirmed Vegeta is the Prince of all Jobber, not even Sanji is that much of a jobber.
It's more of the Worf Effect at play than simply being made into a Jobber. When you check his record among currently living characters he still has a pretty respectable win count including beating Goku.
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also Vegeta tends to deserve every loss he gets
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Against Hit and Black Goku he was used as hype material, while i had slight hopes he may reach the same level and above to Goku after he started training with Whis.
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I'm just kind of annoyed that after the Golden Freeza arc, that if you count movie 12… Goku, Trunks and Gohan have all killed Freeza once... but Vegeta hasn't. He's the one that has THE most personal vedetta and reason to have that fight, and he still never gets it.
He got a couple minutes against him when he was already exhausted, but its not the same. And its just kind of annoying that he stood by while Goku had a, basically, for funzies play bout against him... rather than there being any actual drama, danger or payback... and even his ultimate win was stolen by the planet being blown up.
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Vegeta is the Sanji of DB.
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It hit me when I saw the reunion between Goku and Future Yajirobe, but I would love to see, before Goku returns to the past, Goku meeting Future Chi-Chi, Ox-King, Master Roshi, Oolong, and Puar. We saw a glimpse of them in the History of Trunks special, but I think they would be ecstatic to see Goku (even if it's a Goku from a different timeline) for the first time in about 31 years.
I thought Future Yajirobe died fighting the Androids. At least, this is what Trunks told to Cell. One thing I found suspicious is the absence of Goten. Where is he? I wanted to see Goten meeting Future Trunks.
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I thought Future Yajirobe died fighting the Androids. At least, this is what Trunks told to Cell. One thing I found suspicious is the absence of Goten. Where is he? I wanted to see Goten meeting Future Trunks.
They clarify that Yajirobe was given the last Senzu as Karin died and he survived because of it. And then he's up to his same old shit.
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They clarify that Yajirobe was given the last Senzu as Karin died and he survived because of it. And then he's up to his same old shit.
Thank you for the acclaration.
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Title : Toonami Asia: No New Details Yet for Dragon Ball Super in English
posted on 2016-08-29 04:00 EDTThe official Twitter account for Toonami Asia
on Wednesday that it has no new information yet regarding Dragon Ball Super's English version. Toonami Asia had
in mid-July to fan inquiries about the status of the show, stating that it was "trying to get an update ASAP."
Toonami announced in November 2015 that it would run the "English-language world premiere" of Dragon Ball Super in Southeast Asia and India in mid-2016, but the show has yet to air.
Dragon Ball Super premiered in Japan in July 2015 on Fuji TV and other channels. The series is the first newDragon Ball television series since Dragon Ball GT, which aired from 1996 to 1997.
Akira Toriyama is credited as the original creator, as well as for "original story & character concepts." Toei Animation's Kimitoshi Chioka (Hakaba Kitarō, Kamisama Kazoku) is the series director, and Naoko Sagawa(Yomiko Advertising, Inc.) and Atsushi Kido (Toei Animation) join Osamu Nozaki as producers. Kido entered Toeijust as the company was animating the Dragon Ball Z anime's Frieza arc. -
Basically last episode confirmed Vegeta is the Prince of all Jobber, not even Sanji is that much of a jobber.
I wish they would go back to the old animation and what happened to blood today? it's like the characters don't have any in them
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Say what you will about gt, but at least ssj4 looked different and was unique compared to the super forms, ugh.
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But lets be a bit serious, Vegeta didnt expect Black to pull out a Ki sword, and Goku was on the defensive, attempting to use sneak attacks since looks like he cant fight him head because of Blacks Ki sword..
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But lets be a bit serious, Vegeta didnt expect Black to pull out a Ki sword, and Goku was on the defensive, attempting to use sneak attacks since looks like he cant fight him head because of Blacks Ki sword..
Even if he didn't, back in DBZ Vegeta was a pretty rough guy to beat.
Some examples:
-in the first fight vs Goku, Gohan & Krillin (& Yajirobe I suppose) he pretty much survives everything. He actually seems indestructible.
-on Namek he gets his ass kicked several times, but kees surviving and coming back to turn the tables.
-against Majin Buu he just doesn't want to go down and keeps getting up.To be honest, even if Vegeta didn't expect it: going down like that is kind of lame. Same happened against Beerus and Hit.
Then again I don't really like this 'sideline watching'. It was used in the fight against Cell, but didn't feel the same because of the Cell Jr.'s. And against Kid Buu it was more Vegeta and Goku giving each other some time to recharge. In DBS everyone is just standing by and watching every single time.
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And looks like He is done in this Arc.
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Say what you will about gt, but at least ssj4 looked different and was unique compared to the super forms, ugh.
That was it's problem though it looked too different and too unique…..and unofficially gave us SSJ5 which looks even worse.
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Man if anyone jobs in DBZ it's Piccolo. His last win was against Second Form Freeza.
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Kicked Dr Gero's ass, tied with Cell, tied with 17 and, I know, not very commendable, but he thrashed Babidi.
He could do much worse.
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Oops, forgot Gero. His asskicking goes by so quickly.
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Man if anyone jobs in DBZ it's Piccolo. His last win was against Second Form Freeza.
Didn't he win against cell's first (second?) form when he fused with Kami?
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Man if anyone jobs in DBZ it's Piccolo. His last win was against Second Form Freeza.
Another unfortunate victim of the Worf Effect…....much like Tien, Krillen, Roshi, & Yamcha.
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Another unfortunate victim of the Worf Effect…....much like Tien, Krillen, Roshi, & Yamcha.
I mean realistically didn't his actual character arc end after he sacrificed his life Gohan? Not much to do after that I guess
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I mean realistically didn't his actual character arc end after he sacrificed his life Gohan? Not much to do after that I guess
It ended more or less earlier when Goku whooped his ass in their first and last (canonical) fight.
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It ended more or less earlier when Goku whooped his ass in their first and last (canonical) fight.
His sacrifice for Gohan is definitely the big character point. Piccolo still harbors animosity after the tournament and basically self-exiles himself after that to get revenge, but it's his training of and ultimate sacrifice for Gohan that brings him to the side of good.
You might be able to argue that it's his fusing with Kami that caps it all off and brings him full circle but so little is done with that character-wise that it's basically just a quick power up.
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Why do the translators keep using "human" when according to some they actually mean mortals?
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I mean it someone continues into the Cell arc when he fuses with Kami. He was already good at that point, it was just the final confirmation that his character has evolved. He makes one last remark about how he'll "take over the world" and flies away to fuse. At that point his character arc was pretty much over, just hammered home with him training Goten and Trunks on the fusion dance.
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That was it's problem though it looked too different and too unique…..and unofficially gave us SSJ5 which looks even worse.
Seriously, too different? It went back to their ape like forms and implied they revert back to their pure strenght while still not being just pure ape monsters at the same time. Made sense. Better than having every rainbow color represented in the new series without changing anything else about the ssj look.
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That was it's problem though it looked too different and too unique…..and unofficially gave us SSJ5 which looks even worse.
For all of GT's faults, I don't think we can hold literal fank wank against them. Fan made creations like SSJ5 aren't their fault. Granted they probably would have reached that point eventually anyway…
Really Super 4 should have just had a different name entirely. Primal Saiyan or Super Oozaru or something. After they started spamming god modes and bringing back kaioken we have like 9 transformations now anyway... plus fusions...
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a friend of mine made a proper alignment chart for DBZ
please critique it
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Seriously, too different? It went back to their ape like forms and implied they revert back to their pure strenght while still not being just pure ape monsters at the same time. Made sense. Better than having every rainbow color represented in the new series without changing anything else about the ssj look.
Robby pretty much broke it down.
a friend of mine made a proper alignment chart for DBZ
please critique it
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….......I find interesting Vegetto is considered neutral yet Cell Arc Vegeta is good.
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Vegito is a mishmash of two weirdos
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Vegito is a mishmash of two weirdos he can't be anything _but_ neutral
Given that Goku is Lawful Good & Buu Arc Vegeta was Lawful Good as well, that would more or less make Vegetto Lawful Good himself….or at least Good given how he was essentially bullying and trolling Buu up until he decided to let himself get absorbed to save everyone else.
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Db Super feels like some inconsequential fan fiction with zero sense of danger, cause hey arent these gods powerful. Could be same as dbaf, no difference, lol.
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The only time there's potential consequences in DB is when the dragon balls don't exist. Or when Goku randomly decides to stay dead.
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remember all those people that stayed dead in dragonball?
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Goku lawful good? When? How? Somewhere between chaotic neutral and neutral good.
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remember all those people that stayed dead in dragonball?
me neitherMost of the cast. In trunks timeline
And most of the non reformed villians.
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remember all those people that stayed dead in dragonball?
me neitherWell, let's see. There's…
Grandpa Gohan
A shit ton of Red Ribbon soldiers and Generals
TaoPaiPai's tailor
King Piccolo and his children (minus Piccolo)
Raditz
Everyone in the city Nappa blew up
Nappa
A ton of Frieza's henchmen
Everyone in Tsuno's village
Cui, Dodoria, and Zarbon
The Ginyu Force minus Ginyu
Guru
Frieza
King Cold
Android 19
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Kaio-sama and Bubbles
Cell
Spopovich and Yamu
PuiPui
Yakon
Babidi
Kid Buu (unless you count Uub)And there's probably a few more I missed
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remember all those people that stayed dead in dragonball?
me neitherBesides Boss Carrot (implied), General Blue, The officer Blue had killed for picking his nose, Staff Officer Black, Commander Red, Son Gohan I, Raditz, That Farmer Raditz killed,Frieza, Android 16, Cell, Babidi, Bibidi, Babidi's henchmen, The Kaio Buu Killed, Dabura, Buu, King Kai, Old Kai, Bubbles,Gregory (anime) King Cold, Most of The Ginyu Force, All those nameless evil mooks Vegeta killed on Namek. All those nameless evil mooks Trunks killed on Earth, Roshi's master, Everyone still on Planet Vegeta, The Saibamen, The Cell Jrs.
Edit: Nobodyman beat me to the punch on most of the characters.
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that is a far stretch of "person" if you're counting mooks and saibamen
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that is a far stretch of "person" if you're counting mooks and saibamen
Well you did wonder when was the last time people stayed dead in this series you didn't exactly state "anyone" or "anything" was off limits.
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Well you did wonder when was the last time people stayed dead in this series you didn't exactly state "anyone" or "anything" was off limits.
fair enough, fair enough
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There are also quite a lot of animals or animal persons that Goku killed - like the fish at the beginning or the octopus in the pirate cave. Or the T-Rexes
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Everyone in the city Nappa blew up
What happened to them, by the way? Wasn't Nappa considered Frieza's henchman at that time? Therefore, they got revived, right?
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Nappa never got revived either, even though he was killed by one of frieza's henchman
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@Bartholemew:
What happened to them, by the way? Wasn't Nappa considered Frieza's henchman at that time? Therefore, they got revived, right?
Nappa never got revived either, even though he was killed by one of frieza's henchman
The general explanation is that Nappa was working for Vegeta and Vegeta was working in his own self interest and no for Freeza.
That or there was an unstated limit on how far back a general revival wish will go and Nappa and that city were outside of that timeframe.
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Hmm, maybe Shenlong only did a binary yes or no check whether someone was considered Frieza's henchman - not considering that someone's affiliation could change over time?
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@Bartholemew:
What happened to them, by the way? Wasn't Nappa considered Frieza's henchman at that time? Therefore, they got revived, right?
Nappa was working for Vegeta who had betrayed Freezer(by trying to get the dragon balls to be immortal).
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What are you guys talking about it? Nappa totally came back to life and became a succesful movie maker.
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What are you guys talking about it? Nappa totally came back to life and became a succesful movie maker.
…and wrestling promoter. Now he just needs a Don King haircut.
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@Bartholemew:
What happened to them, by the way? Wasn't Nappa considered Frieza's henchman at that time? Therefore, they got revived, right?
Wasn't the wish just to bring back everybody on Namek that was killed by Freeza's henchmen rather than on both Namek and Earth?