@Rukusho:
lol I don't know if thats a good example, I was referencing to the Synopsis of One Piece.
THE synopsis? What?
HMMM from reading One Piece I came across it another way from Baroque Works and on ward they were all in the order of strength no ?
Vague ideas of strength is not power levels, and is flexible and organic enough that it doesn't imply the rigid idiocy of turning it into math.
Also no actually. Baroque Works was a reverse meritocracy, if you fucked up the guy/gal the rank below you got to bump you off and rise a rank. Or in the case of the Millions and Billions potentially open themselves up for nomination. Remember why Mr. 11 got killed?
And of course powers like Mr. 2's even had non-combat related importance to Crocodile's plans, same with Robin's knowledge of the Ancient script. Hell even the 7 Pair were specialized around sniping.
Also factor in the male and female agents were along different tracks of promotion, which meant their strengths weren't even being comparatively ranked.
Gosh its so much more interesting and complex than "500456 > 34562".
Enel priest in order of survival rate Ohm having the lowest (0%),
One of those four being Gedatsu for just being a total fuck up.
And ALL four of them being largely based around a previously arranged and set up environment, remember that? The trials?
Satori didn't just fight, he hung out around some huge trees where there was hundreds of his surprise cloud balls everywhere. The combat he offered was almost entirely based around utilizing that environment.
Shura we barely got to see, but it was a section of jungle where lots of (sticky?) strings were laid out to catch people spider style.
Gedatsu fought in an area with swampy clouds, which he used and abused.
And Ohm not only had an arena full of trap barbed wire clouds, he also had a huge fucking dog helping him lol.
Whoops sorry, no scouter is going to measure that shit.
then CP9 with Doriki system again displaying power levels.
Why are you using an example I mentioned? Wait sorry, the example?
White-beard(WSM), Mihawk (WSS) , Kaido (WSC). These are characters who Luffy dreams of beating so then he'll have to be strong same applies to Zoro (well to Mihawk) so tell me how one piece hasn't put anything about power levels.
Well shucks, guess I missed when the strength was turned into a quantitive definite thing.
See there's a million dollar word for you right there.
Quantitative. As opposed to Qualitative.
Because the little duel between those two words is the whole issue at hand when you get down to it.
That's the way you viewed it, a lot of people interpreted that scene in different ways,
A lot of people are borderline illiterate.
I viewed it the same way but still also showing they are relatively even with one another which also the data books come into play ( YEAH YEAH I KNOW DURR DATABOOKS WEREN'T WRITTEN BY ODA)
Oh you do? Awesome, I'll disregard anything you start saying that involves them.
but regardless his name is placed in the credits.
Except for this because ahahahahahahahahaha
See my post above regarding the way Oda depicts other crews
You never mentioned a single crew.
Keep in mind Toriyama didn't abandon power levels he just showed scouters were useless.
Yeah, he blew them off the faces of Freeza and his dad's men and that was the last time we ever heard about power levels. Which is Toriyama abandoning power levels.
In the Daizenshuu he shows
Wait wait wait, let me get this straight.
You are borderline accepting (though still hilariously in denial) that detail nerd Oda didn't actually write the One Piece databooks.
But you apparently are very certain that casual flippant toward his own creation detail forgetting Toriyama DID write the Dragonball databooks?? Including the most asinine detail of all? Power levels beyond AND before the scouters showed up?
Wow! That's completely indefensible!
What I meant by that is it can't be avoided regardless of how dumb or moronic it is..
What are you even talking about now?
Also this is a Shonen Manga which DB has a huge influence on
Ah, an old Manga section standard. A person approaching the creative writing world like a robot.
IF STORY X PROVIDES INSPIRATION INTO STORY Y, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT THEY MUST SHARE ALL FACETS.
This facet by the way being a thing that showed up in just the middle of Dragonball during the Saiyen and Namek stuff, and vanished right afterwards.
Power levels are actually pretty goddamn insignificant in the story. And if you think that sort of shit is what Oda loved about Dragonball than I'm starting to think you really don't get anything about either manga.
with PW's
What the hell is a PW. Are you shortening "Power Level" to PW…?? What??
sounds to me like you'd like some 'Josei' manga .
Ok, how young am I arguing against here. Starting to feel guilty. But then again…that Shishio guy...that Shishio guy...
As I said it's a Shonen
Ah yes, shonen manga. Such as Slam Dunk and Detective Conan, well known for their power levels based martial arts.
So yeah you don't actually know what shonen refers to, because it damn well doesn't refer to "Stuff like Dragonball".
Oda has already showed a whole chapter dedicated to Luffy V Zoro
Luffy and Zoro had a really awkward forced fight based around a complete misunderstanding, that Oda used as a alternative way of defeating Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentines Day.
It is absolutely meaningless beyond that since Zoro and Luffy have zero rivalry whatsoever.
<–-- Whats your take on this, there could have been some yaoi parings if this was a Shojo but its not so instead we have women with Big breast and very curvaceous.
Yeah, you're right. Yaoi pairings will never happened in the manga, and are the imagination and fanfiction of semi-deluded people.
Much like people who think there well ever be a decisive serious duel of Zoro vs Luffy, and Zoro vs Sanji. Those will never happened, and are in the imagination of semi-deluded people.
In regards to the 'hype' imagine this people have been debating years about Luffy vs Zoro
Imagine, a bunch of people in an insane asylum arguing over who gets to use the TV to speak to aliens.
and one day Oda has this happen
Ok sure, now imagine Oda one day has Sanji and Zoro engage in intimate gay sex.
Also imagine One Piece abruptly shifting into abstract expressionism, and Oda replacing the dialogue with cut out newspaper speech balloons from the Wizard of Id.
We can imagine many things Rokusho, but what these all have in common is they're never happening.
this would be hype just like the constant theories or debates on what Gear 4th would == hype.
Wait, you don't what "hype" means.
You and I know this happens all the time the weak character does something to help the superior fights
Usopp straight took a ranking guy out. That's not supporting a stronger fighter, that's getting his part of the job done same as Sanji beating Kuroobi and Zoro beating Hatchi.
It's also interesting and fun to watch because of how unpredictable and creative the tactics are. As opposed to your beloved calculator combat.
( hercule throws android 16 head to help Gohan with a speech with helps him become SSj2 )
Hercule?? Jesus christ, the dub stopped calling him that like a decade ago. Now I know you're not young.
Also why are you comparing a guy throwing another guy to provide support talk… to Usopp defeating an opponent in single combat.
There is absolutely nothing in common between these situations.
That's not the case Zoro's dream has nothing with becoming PK his dream is the best swordsman he doesn't even need to be a pirate,
You know exactly damn well what is implied by saying Zoro is "equal" to his captain.
what I got from that scene is he's capable of doing what Luffy can plus all that stuff you said above.
Zoro is so shocked by a smidgeon of touching the pain sphere that he screams in pain.
The pain that apparently is just the regular result of Luffy's huge battles and body contorting techniques.
But yeah sure, same level.
LUFFY
IS
THE
PROTAGONIST
WHY
ARE
YOU
FIGHTING
TO
HAVE
SUPPORTING
MAIN
CAST
BE
HIS
EQUAL
This is the VERY definition of fanboyism and being completely blind to the plot and characters.
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@Long:
Rereading the EL chapter threads there also appeared to be a few Usopp "haters" who would whine over his actions every chapter he was in, luckily by the middle of TB they appeared to go away. How long were the " usopp was right " fanboys around for?
Also have you been on this site since the beginning of water 7 or are you talking about various communities in general, IIRC this site apparently began middle or late skypiea. Would love to read that far back but they revamped the boards so it goes back to only Franky's FB, also the waybackmachine isnt that developed for that time period
I started following the series weekly at the very start of the Davy Back Fight. I initially posted on another site that was sort of socially close to this one but it closed and most of us came here to permanently camp out, I don't recall what chapter it was at the time but I was definitely posting here by the point of Vol. 36's early chapters.
Ahhh I recall my first anger at a really dumb theory…someone suggesting a random Galley-La member on the roof confronting masked Califa was Sanji lol.
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@Shobu:
I'm sure this is happening because Bleach has ended, no one has a thing to throw shit out.
Oh jesus christ…I thought it was getting suddenly worse around here with battledome shit lately...that lines up so perfectly its spooky.
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@Screwtape:
It does, Luffy takes damage from powerful opponents even by blunt force.
Then that's pain he's feeling and harm he's taking, so you're whole point becomes moot.
You can't have it one way without the other genius.
If a blunt force attack doesn't effect him, he's not feeling pain.
If it's somehow strong enough to effect him, he's going to feel pain.
What the heck exactly do you think the Gum Gum fruit is doing? Severing his nerves?